What's Normal? - Do you play golf? (1 Viewer)

[D-Day]

The way I play golf, they call me "The Excavator" because I dig up so much dirt on my swings... even practice swings. The best shot I ever had was on the 10th hole of my first ever round. On a par 5, after 4 hits and a few "don't count that" I was chipping onto the green, my ball hit another player's ball that was on the green and mine went into the hole. Downhill ever since.

 

[nirad3]

I CANNOT use a driver. I don't know what it is. I can chip fairly well and putting is no problem, just can't tee off.

So I just gave up. I guess I could go take lessons but meh. All I'd want to do is slam watery beers all day.

I am no expert....you might get some ribbing, but you could tee off with an iron or 3 wood

It's not the club, it's jus the motion of driving the ball.

 

[hagmania]

I play golf when Dad asks, a handful of times a year; despite this I manage to keep myself in good enough form to play a round of bogey golf with a couple pars and the rare birdie. I think the last time I played was +18 on the nose, which is good enough for me. Dad is good but just enjoys the company of his kids on the course with him. I hope to be able to play with him for many more years to come!

I play disc golf a handful of times per week in the summer, less so now with the weather turning cold.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

When I moved back to SoCal in 2014 and subsequently got back into the real estate development industry, I thought it was a good time to learn. So I bought a fancy bag and a co-worker buddy had an old set of clubs that he either gave to me or sold to me for cheap (I forget). I "used" them ONCE (went to a driving range in Palm Springs as part of a buddy's bachelor party).

I CANNOT use a driver. I don't know what it is. I can chip fairly well and putting is no problem, just can't tee off.

So I just gave up. I guess I could go take lessons but meh. All I'd want to do is slam watery beers all day.

Am I reading right that you tried it for one day and then gave up? I mean you don't necessarily need to take lessons or anything but if you were expecting to be crushing drivers down the middle on day 1 then it's mostly an expectations thing.

If you just want to hit the ball an acceptable distance and in play then 99% of the time the answer is to not swing so hard. Yea it's fun to watch the pros swing themselves out of their shoes (almost literally, for someone like Scottie Scheffler) and still see the ball go perfectly straight, but that is incredibly difficult. But if you're fine with 200-225 and in play then you'd be surprised at how far the ball will when you just swing nice and easy. Do a quick youtube on how to set up properly for a drive, and don't too hard, and you can get there (at least to the point where you're only shanking it as often as a high handicapper that plays a lot) reasonably easily.

99% of the people I see on the tee box take a nice easy practice swing and it looks great, but then when they step up to the ball their swing is nothing like their practice swing, mostly because they're swinging way way harder.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I just love playing a course I've never played before. There's a lot of beauty that goes into groundskeeping.

I just loathe when people don't know etiquette. It's okay to be a bad and/or slow golfer. But know the rules that speed up play for everyone else.

 

[wlwiles]

I have my own (cheap) clubs but only play 1 or 2 rounds per year. As long as I'm able to keep pace with whoever I'm with, and I'm not having to waste time hunting for my ball, that's good enough for me. I have no desire to sink thousands of hours or dollars into this for marginal improvement. I enjoy the company, and couldn't care less about my score. I am usually the only guy out there that doesn't get mad if I shank it. Just take a drop and keep the game moving. I buy cheap balls so don't care if I lose one, don't even hunt for it if it's going to slow the group down...

Voted no because I'm not a golfer and play so infrequently.

 

[SWC]

i really like playing goregous new courses too there is one in stevens point wi that has a gorgeous flower hole and it is really cool when i hit my ball in those flowers three or four times and cant go into get them its like just lighting a twenty on fire i love it take that to the bank brohans

 

[Zow]

i really like playing goregous new courses too there is one in stevens point wi that has a gorgeous flower hole and it is really cool when i hit my ball in those flowers three or four times and cant go into get them its like just lighting a twenty on fire i love it take that to the bank brohans

Looking at a trip to your neck of the woods, nape of the way, next summer to play either Whistling or Sand Valley.

 

[SWC]

both are great wozzerino so is erin hills and try sentry world in stevens point wi middle of the state probably 1 and half hours from kohler definitely worth the time take that to the bank brochacho

 

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At least once a month, weather permitting.

Is it called playing when you pay to drive the cart, swing a couple of clubs, hunt through the tall grass and trees looking for balls, yell at sand, and use the green as a Putt-Putt course? If so, then I say "Yes, I golf."

 

[nirad3]

When I moved back to SoCal in 2014 and subsequently got back into the real estate development industry, I thought it was a good time to learn. So I bought a fancy bag and a co-worker buddy had an old set of clubs that he either gave to me or sold to me for cheap (I forget). I "used" them ONCE (went to a driving range in Palm Springs as part of a buddy's bachelor party).

I CANNOT use a driver. I don't know what it is. I can chip fairly well and putting is no problem, just can't tee off.

So I just gave up. I guess I could go take lessons but meh. All I'd want to do is slam watery beers all day.

Am I reading right that you tried it for one day and then gave up? I mean you don't necessarily need to take lessons or anything but if you were expecting to be crushing drivers down the middle on day 1 then it's mostly an expectations thing.

If you just want to hit the ball an acceptable distance and in play then 99% of the time the answer is to not swing so hard. Yea it's fun to watch the pros swing themselves out of their shoes (almost literally, for someone like Scottie Scheffler) and still see the ball go perfectly straight, but that is incredibly difficult. But if you're fine with 200-225 and in play then you'd be surprised at how far the ball will when you just swing nice and easy. Do a quick youtube on how to set up properly for a drive, and don't too hard, and you can get there (at least to the point where you're only shanking it as often as a high handicapper that plays a lot) reasonably easily.

99% of the people I see on the tee box take a nice easy practice swing and it looks great, but then when they step up to the ball their swing is nothing like their practice swing, mostly because they're swinging way way harder.

No there were other times I'd gone out and gave it a try with others' clubs. That particular time was just the straw that broke the camel's back after getting my own sticks.

 

[Gally]

I have golf clubs, and I enjoy it, but I haven't golfed in a couple years cuz when I have free time I'm either on the river, or in the woods.

Well, that is how I play golf. I am either looking for my ball in the woods or in the water.

 

[Gally]

I was going to vote yes until I read the definition of once a month. I am more in the 4-6 times per year crowd.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tennis Tennis Tennis

-I do not play golf like others do but I will go drive balls with guys who practice between rounds
Too much time commitment for a round of golf, 4-6 hours on a Sat Morn, too much

 

[tri-man 47]

Played a lot in HS, through college, and a few years after that. But then life and the logistics of living in downtown Chicago took over. I haven't touched the clubs in several years. HS was the best ...every Saturday morning, a 7:37 a.m. tee time with my dad and a couple of his buddies. Those are the clubs I still have in my bag.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The main reason I golf.

 

[Runkle]

Furio from The Sopranos said it best

 

[ChiefD]

The main reason I golf.

That looks like a GREAT fishing spot.

 

[Dickies]

I play about once every 2-3 years, so I voted "no".

It's always been something I enjoy every time I go, but it's expensive and the cost/benefit doesn't really work for me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The main reason I golf.

That looks like a GREAT fishing spot.

I'd imagine it is.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The main reason I golf.

Same!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Disc Golf - Yes...at least 2 to 3 times per week. I switched to disc golf from ball golf about 5 years ago.

I spent 30 years working in the golf industry and playing golf. It's just too much time and $$ to play golf. Disc golf is much more relaxed, you get more exercise, but still has the same concepts as golf. Putting, driving, scrambling, OB, hazards, etc. However, it has more dynamic options for shaping shots and being creative with different discs and different types of shots (forehand and backhand).

I really want to try and play golf again, but I just can't find the time to put enough practice in to feel comfortable getting back on the course. Maybe some day.

Stop this.

Ball golf only was not specified in the question.

Right. Golf was. You know, the sport where one hits a small, usually white ball really far into a small hole. That's golf.

Disc golf, while also really fun, is... disc golf (or frisbee golf). There's no need to specify "ball golf" because that's just golf.

Your reaction justifies, no necessitates, calling it ball golf.

No, your opening insistence on calling it ball golf, suggests that you needed to be called out for trying to equate the two games.

Insistence? The only times I have ever used the term ball golf is on this site. And only because it gets such a great reaction out of you

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Disc Golf - Yes...at least 2 to 3 times per week. I switched to disc golf from ball golf about 5 years ago.

I spent 30 years working in the golf industry and playing golf. It's just too much time and $$ to play golf. Disc golf is much more relaxed, you get more exercise, but still has the same concepts as golf. Putting, driving, scrambling, OB, hazards, etc. However, it has more dynamic options for shaping shots and being creative with different discs and different types of shots (forehand and backhand).

I really want to try and play golf again, but I just can't find the time to put enough practice in to feel comfortable getting back on the course. Maybe some day.

Stop this.

Ball golf only was not specified in the question.

Right. Golf was. You know, the sport where one hits a small, usually white ball really far into a small hole. That's golf.

Disc golf, while also really fun, is... disc golf (or frisbee golf). There's no need to specify "ball golf" because that's just golf.

Your reaction justifies, no necessitates, calling it ball golf.

No, your opening insistence on calling it ball golf, suggests that you needed to be called out for trying to equate the two games.

Huh? Why does this bother you so much?

It's an undisputed fact the the game of golf has been shrinking for more than a decade. Conversely, disc golf has been growing in popularity. While there are stark contrasts between many areas of the games a lot of people like to play both sports and recognize the similarities and differences.

It bothers me (which, to be clear, is not a major bother to me) in the same sense that Trump's unnecessary capitalization of words in his tweets bothers me. It's just incorrect English and therefore reads stupid to me and causes me to give less credit to the writer/speaker.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

 

[Zow]

The main reason I golf.

Is that Chaska Town Course?

ETA: Never mind, just saw your second link.

 

[Zow]

Disc Golf - Yes...at least 2 to 3 times per week. I switched to disc golf from ball golf about 5 years ago.

I spent 30 years working in the golf industry and playing golf. It's just too much time and $$ to play golf. Disc golf is much more relaxed, you get more exercise, but still has the same concepts as golf. Putting, driving, scrambling, OB, hazards, etc. However, it has more dynamic options for shaping shots and being creative with different discs and different types of shots (forehand and backhand).

I really want to try and play golf again, but I just can't find the time to put enough practice in to feel comfortable getting back on the course. Maybe some day.

Stop this.

Ball golf only was not specified in the question.

Right. Golf was. You know, the sport where one hits a small, usually white ball really far into a small hole. That's golf.

Disc golf, while also really fun, is... disc golf (or frisbee golf). There's no need to specify "ball golf" because that's just golf.

Your reaction justifies, no necessitates, calling it ball golf.

No, your opening insistence on calling it ball golf, suggests that you needed to be called out for trying to equate the two games.

Insistence? The only times I have ever used the term ball golf is on this site. And only because it gets such a great reaction out of you

My reaction was, "stop this." I suppose that sounds... great?

 

[Terminalxylem]

not my thing.

My father and brother play. my father was into golf and skiing. i loved skiing, my brother gravitated towards golf (he belongs to the Olympic club). I have played many wonderful courses as most vacations growing up focused on golf destinations.

Not my favorite activity either.

Don’t like the elitist stereotype of golfers, nor the waste involved maintaining the grounds. But I love skiing, which is basically the winter equivalent.

I played once. Did surprisingly well, but kept looking up at the mountains surrounding the course, wishing I was there.

 

[Terminalxylem]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

 

[SWC]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

 

[Zow]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

Et tu, brutacho? Et tu?

 

[James Bond]

Yes.

If you can call it that.

 

[Terminalxylem]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

 

[Zow]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

I can tell you that they are a net benefit to my sanity.

 

[UncleZen]

I play every 6-8 weeks so voting no. I do love to play. The best thing I did for my game was I took all of the woods, including the driver, out of my bag. It's usually good for a laugh when I show up to play with people but I can out drive a lot them with my 4 iron. (not because I'm good but mostly because most people aren't)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

Coincidentally, this article was published today. Rest assured, nature will win out eventually.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/world/abandoned-golf-courses-reclaimed-by-nature-c2e-spc-scn-intl/index.html

 

[ChiefD]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

Ask 'em if they are running the special where you get a free bowl of soup with that hat.....

 

[The General]

Just played Spyglass and The Hay. Look at me!

 

[SWC]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

Ask 'em if they are running the special where you get a free bowl of soup with that hat.....

that is the craziest thing brohan because when i got to the old ball golf shop last night they had a buy a hat get a soup special going and it was pretty awesome take that to the bank

 

[SWC]

ps i had ministronie take that to the bank brochacho

 

[Brunell4MVP]

played a few events on Hogan / Nike Tour (original Korn Ferry Tour). Along with some some other mini tours. Shooting 68s and making $50 an event is a tough way to make a living. Gave it up pretty quickly but still play.

Eesh. That's awesome and impressive, but I'm hopefully gonna make more than $50 by playing in a cash game this weekend and shooting 78.

My wife's ex before me (which is also my brother in law's brother so I'll see him occasionally and have golfed with him before) played on the now Korn Ferry tour and other mini tours and said a very similar thing. While a rec player like me sees the sponsorship swag and the cool courses, apparently the actual revenue is like nothing and it's at the point where a lot of hopefuls need backing from other sources and their best source of actual, cash incomes is getting into the more lucrative cash games and trying to ensure the games are either pure gross or less than 100% handicap.

Yeah, its just not an easy life until you get your card (if ever)

Guy at my club (technically not a member, but his dad is so they let him use it as a home base) was the #1 golfer at a Big Ten school for 3 years and an all-conference performer. He's like 25 now and has been knocking on the door of some PGA tour appearances (lost a Monday qualifier for the Travelers in a playoff, lost at US Open sectionals by like 2 strokes this summer, qualified for a year-long exemption on the PGA Latin america tour)

But as good as he is....the reality is that there's a million guys like him. He can go 68-69-70-68 on the Canada tour and not even crack the top 20. So I'm sure he made very little $$. That's a tough break.

He has a great degree to fall back on and he'll likely be fine when/if he gives up the dream. But its gotta be tough to be a 25 year old +5 index and still nowhere near the highest level.

If you look at the top 25 players in the world, they work out to about a +8 or +9 handicap, and that's in tournaments. The average PGA/KF pro is probably like a +7. I got to a +4. So basically rarely worse than shooting 67s at my home course. It's really hard to figure out how to save 3 shots a round at that point. It's mostly hitting it closer to the hole, but even then you gotta make putts and get it up and down a lot. And it takes luck to be hot at the right time ... has to be at Q school, Monday Qs, Mackenzie Canada Tour, or similar. It does very little good to be hot and shoot three 65s at a SunCoast event. It gets you nothing. Luckily golf has an awesome amateur tournament structure at the state levels to fall back on. That kid will have a great job and still be able to play in competitions.

 

[Zow]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

Ask 'em if they are running the special where you get a free bowl of soup with that hat.....

that is the craziest thing brohan because when i got to the old ball golf shop last night they had a buy a hat get a soup special going and it was pretty awesome take that to the bank

I'm sure the hat looked good on you, though.

 

[Zow]

played a few events on Hogan / Nike Tour (original Korn Ferry Tour). Along with some some other mini tours. Shooting 68s and making $50 an event is a tough way to make a living. Gave it up pretty quickly but still play.

Eesh. That's awesome and impressive, but I'm hopefully gonna make more than $50 by playing in a cash game this weekend and shooting 78.

My wife's ex before me (which is also my brother in law's brother so I'll see him occasionally and have golfed with him before) played on the now Korn Ferry tour and other mini tours and said a very similar thing. While a rec player like me sees the sponsorship swag and the cool courses, apparently the actual revenue is like nothing and it's at the point where a lot of hopefuls need backing from other sources and their best source of actual, cash incomes is getting into the more lucrative cash games and trying to ensure the games are either pure gross or less than 100% handicap.

Yeah, its just not an easy life until you get your card (if ever)

Guy at my club (technically not a member, but his dad is so they let him use it as a home base) was the #1 golfer at a Big Ten school for 3 years and an all-conference performer. He's like 25 now and has been knocking on the door of some PGA tour appearances (lost a Monday qualifier for the Travelers in a playoff, lost at US Open sectionals by like 2 strokes this summer, qualified for a year-long exemption on the PGA Latin america tour)

But as good as he is....the reality is that there's a million guys like him. He can go 68-69-70-68 on the Canada tour and not even crack the top 20. So I'm sure he made very little $$. That's a tough break.

He has a great degree to fall back on and he'll likely be fine when/if he gives up the dream. But its gotta be tough to be a 25 year old +5 index and still nowhere near the highest level.

If you look at the top 25 players in the world, they work out to about a +8 or +9 handicap, and that's in tournaments. The average PGA/KF pro is probably like a +7. I got to a +4. So basically rarely worse than shooting 67s at my home course. It's really hard to figure out how to save 3 shots a round at that point. It's mostly hitting it closer to the hole, but even then you gotta make putts and get it up and down a lot. And it takes luck to be hot at the right time ... has to be at Q school, Monday Qs, Mackenzie Canada Tour, or similar. It does very little good to be hot and shoot three 65s at a SunCoast event. It gets you nothing. Luckily golf has an awesome amateur tournament structure at the state levels to fall back on. That kid will have a great job and still be able to play in competitions.

I assume it's also really hard to maintain that razor sharp margin where you're shooting such low scores. I assume that means hours per day which is, of course, unpaid and you're making like 100s of putts and chips on a daily basis and then the mental anguish of narrowly missing like two 8-footers and that's the difference between cashing and not cashing. What a grind.

 

[SWC]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

Ask 'em if they are running the special where you get a free bowl of soup with that hat.....

that is the craziest thing brohan because when i got to the old ball golf shop last night they had a buy a hat get a soup special going and it was pretty awesome take that to the bank

I'm sure the hat looked good on you, though.

the hat doesnt look good on me i make the hat look good take that to the bank brochacho

 

[SWC]

i think i might stop at the ball golf shop on the way home and get a new hat take that to the bank brohans

Ask 'em if they are running the special where you get a free bowl of soup with that hat.....

that is the craziest thing brohan because when i got to the old ball golf shop last night they had a buy a hat get a soup special going and it was pretty awesome take that to the bank

I'm sure the hat looked good on you, though.

also just for the record i totally get the reference mrs crane take that to the bank bromigo

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

I don't really understand why golf courses take such a beating on this when golf courses are explicitly manicured to be beautiful outdoor recreation areas. Not that different from parks or botanical gardens (which often mean knocking over a bunch of trees and putting in a bunch of pavement) in that way. Being outside in a beautiful area is a big part of golfing.

Heck most of the areas they're built on would probably be cleared to be neighborhoods anyway if there wasn't a golf course there.

I do realize some of them are water intensive in areas that don't exactly have water to spare, but most of those areas have things that are far more wasteful of that water as well (I'm looking at you, alfalfa exporters).

 

[Keerock]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

I don't really understand why golf courses take such a beating on this when golf courses are explicitly manicured to be beautiful outdoor recreation areas. Not that different from parks or botanical gardens (which often mean knocking over a bunch of trees and putting in a bunch of pavement) in that way. Being outside in a beautiful area is a big part of golfing.

Heck most of the areas they're built on would probably be cleared to be neighborhoods anyway if there wasn't a golf course there.

I do realize some of them are water intensive in areas that don't exactly have water to spare, but most of those areas have things that are far more wasteful of that water as well (I'm looking at you, alfalfa exporters).

Exactly. I'd rather see a golf course than a strip mall. Something to complain about I guess...

 

[TLEF316]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

I don't really understand why golf courses take such a beating on this when golf courses are explicitly manicured to be beautiful outdoor recreation areas. Not that different from parks or botanical gardens (which often mean knocking over a bunch of trees and putting in a bunch of pavement) in that way. Being outside in a beautiful area is a big part of golfing.

Heck most of the areas they're built on would probably be cleared to be neighborhoods anyway if there wasn't a golf course there.

I do realize some of them are water intensive in areas that don't exactly have water to spare, but most of those areas have things that are far more wasteful of that water as well (I'm looking at you, alfalfa exporters).

This. Not everything can be a wild and free national park. Any sort of outdoor rec space (especially one that is mostly grass) is pretty much a good thing.

Of course, water use is a concern in some places. I think its insane how much water is used to keeping some of these places green in Arizona and parts of CA (not to mention the middle east....). But in most parts of the country, it seems to be mostly self-sustaining and a net positive for the environment. (green space remaining when the alternative is strip malls and McMansion subdivisions)

Big debate went on recently about the renovation of the golf course at Yale. They're planning to take down like 800 trees that have encroached on the "original design of the golf course" over the past 100 years (While planting 2000 more in other areas of the propert) and some in the neighborhood are just not having it. Also all kinds of drainage issues there and locals are concerned that the course is gonna turn that from the course's problem to the neighborhood.

 

[Todem]

I get out maybe 4-5 times a year to play socially these days......18-20 years ago it was 2-3 times a week.

 

[Terminalxylem]

The main reason I golf.

Easily the best part

It makes me sad they mowed down pristine wilderness to create that finely manicured terrain.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but the sister course to that one at that resort is built right on top of a defunct rock quarry (in fact, is called The Quarry). So on the net, there's actually more wilderness now than before.

A quarry would also make me sad.

Not sure if golf courses are a net benefit to the environment, especially if you consider the alternatives. But the nature lover in me prefers trees to fairways.

I don't really understand why golf courses take such a beating on this when golf courses are explicitly manicured to be beautiful outdoor recreation areas. Not that different from parks or botanical gardens (which often mean knocking over a bunch of trees and putting in a bunch of pavement) in that way. Being outside in a beautiful area is a big part of golfing.

Heck most of the areas they're built on would probably be cleared to be neighborhoods anyway if there wasn't a golf course there.

I do realize some of them are water intensive in areas that don't exactly have water to spare, but most of those areas have things that are far more wasteful of that water as well (I'm looking at you, alfalfa exporters).

Exactly. I'd rather see a golf course than a strip mall. Something to complain about I guess...

Sure. And I’d rather see a strip mall than a strip mine. But leaving outdoor spaces wild is also a thing.

Again, I‘m hypocritical on this topic, because I like snow skiing. That said, many of the marquee ski resorts make an effort to offset their environmental impact.

And even though I think ball golf is gross for many reasons, I never complain about it Irl.