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where will CJ play in 2014?Jets sign him (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
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massraider
Footballguy
Geez, the Rams have no interest? At all?
CJ must be a lot closer to the end than I thought,
CJ must be a lot closer to the end than I thought,
jurb26
Footballguy
Or St. L is just happy with their current RBs.
cstu
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
He played with an injury most of last season, didn't he? Looked like he still had the straight line speed, but just couldn't cut like before.
cstu
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
With all three NY teams rumored to have interest, he needs to camp out in a hotel for a while. I've said there's no way he gets huge $ and I still think that-unless his agent gets NY teams bidding against each other.
Todem
Footballguy
That seems to been have swept under the rug. The guy gutted out 16 games…..with a knee injury. He will have a bounce back season and imo provide some real value to a FF looking for a #3 RB flex play with upside to some huge games. That can be the difference in a FF season over the course of a season.
Imagine if he get's on a team that will utilize him far more in space and involve him in the passing game more. He has plenty of value to a team that needs a big play player.
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Banger
Footballguy
The guy finished 9th and 7 pts from 6th among RBs yet he gets slogged like he finished 25th for the 3rd year in a row. He was a great value last year and looks like he could be a good one again this year.
Todem
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Ok, this is a bad idea unless hes still hurt. But when your work ethnic is question you should got out an perform, atleast hold a pro day or even film your 40.Faust said:
(HULK)
(Smash)
I started to read this, upon seeing Adam Schein wrote it, I have erased ever opening it from my memory banks....
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
This makes no sense to me at all on many levels. On one hand, there is talk about injury limiting him in 2013. So I guess he would want you to throw that tape out. So as a GM, I am supposed to hand a guy premium RB $ based on just two+ year old tape? Nope. I might know what he COULD do a couple of years ago before the injury, but I don't know what he can do right now.
Passing a physical is not the same thing as performing on the field.
And as for no direct communication at all, that seems even stranger to me. Call me old fashioned, but before I give a guy 10, 15, 20 Million dollars, a good chunk of which will be guaranteed, I'd like to talk to him a little bit.
MAYBE if a guy was expecting to make close to the league minimum, AND he was basically healthy last year and I had the tape to look at, AND the guy is known for being a 100% team player with no mental/personality issues , I might be more lax in my evaluation process. But Johnson is in NONE of those categories.
There's not many teams that can afford him. No tryouts might have even scared away some that could. He might wind up begging the Titans to take him back before this is all over. There's certainly not many that can afford him and where he'd be the sure-bet starter. He ought to call Elway and ask what the most is he can afford, be part of a Supe team.
bostonfred
Footballguy
There's a difference between a tryout and a visit. If he visits the jets, they have to report it to the nfl. If he is in new york and they come to him to watch a tryout, it doesn't have to be reported. So he could easily have tried out for the jets, giants, bills and patriots right now, without ever getting on an airplane, and the news outlets wouldn't know.
What advantage does he get from this? Well, if he has a tryout, he may be able to set the parameters of what he is and isn't willing to do in terms of injury risk or field surface. He might want to do his running on turf, for example, because people will be looking at his speed numbers.
But the other value is that teams won't know who he visited with, which allows him to get a team to bid against themselves. Remember that he not only came onto the market late, but several of the teams that might have been interested were quoted early as saying they were out of the bidding. Maybe he was trying to salvage the best of a bad situation after the titans basically screwed him (justifiably or not).
What advantage does he get from this? Well, if he has a tryout, he may be able to set the parameters of what he is and isn't willing to do in terms of injury risk or field surface. He might want to do his running on turf, for example, because people will be looking at his speed numbers.
But the other value is that teams won't know who he visited with, which allows him to get a team to bid against themselves. Remember that he not only came onto the market late, but several of the teams that might have been interested were quoted early as saying they were out of the bidding. Maybe he was trying to salvage the best of a bad situation after the titans basically screwed him (justifiably or not).
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Sure, if his goal is to NOT get hired, or ONLY get hired under his ideal scenario, the approach makes perfect sense. I assume that is NOT his goal at this point, but I could be wrong.
I guess my point is that I don't expect him to get hired under his ideal scenario (assuming the speculation about minimal interaction with suitors is at least partially coming from him). IF he wants to play AND he wants to make maximum money, my guess would be he's going to have to CONVINCE a team to do that. IMO it would be dumb for a team to make that kind of investment on faith.
I think it will be tough enough to find a team willing to pay him anything close to what he thinks he is worth (which is probably well over TWICE what Tate/MJD just got per year), let alone find one willing to do it without meeting with him.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Why do you keep saying this? He isn't refusing to meet with teams. He isn't event refusing to try out for teams. He's just not "meeting with teams", which has a specific definition with the league and requires public notification. That's a pretty important distinction.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
That's not the way I read i the following:
"In fact, there’s a chance Johnson will sign a new contract without even taking a visit. He can, in theory, be interviewed by phone, without the team having to report it. Plus, after six years in the league, plenty of guys know him, either from playing with him or coaching him. It’s possible he’ll be signed without any direct communication with him."
Also, according to other reports, he IS refusing to try out for teams. So I don't think the distinctions you mention are really at the crux of the issue. His camp apparently just feels that his body of work speaks for itself, which is something I don't think will fly.
Dr. Octopus
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I think the snippet that you are getting hung up on, is just the author "talking it out".
I don't read that as Johnson is refusing to visit teams. I think the author is saying it's possible he could be signed without a team requesting him to come for a vistit - which is unlikely of course.
massraider
Footballguy
until I read otherwise, I am going to assume this is a manufactured story by PFT.
There's no evidence I am aware of that he was asked to tryout, and said no.
We haven't read the word 'tryout' regarding any other free agent (except for a bizarre MJD argument in the Steelers forum). why is this suddenly an issue with CJ?
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
He's such a team player, gutted his way through another fantastic season while supporting his O-line and never throwing them under the bus. He'll probably quit football and go do charity work in 3rd world countries...yet still get picked as an underrated back by half the guys in this thread.
I like CJ to the Jets as a Jets fan. It gives a nice 1-2 punch at RB, but more importantly, it means the team does not have to burn a pick on a RB. They already will go WR in Round 1 or 2. They also have a need at TE, so theoretically, they could go WR/TE or TE/WR in Rounds 1-2 and focus elsewhere the remainder of the draft.
Without CJ, they are going to need to spend a pick on a RB, which likely would mean they'd skip on either the WR or TE.
Without CJ, they are going to need to spend a pick on a RB, which likely would mean they'd skip on either the WR or TE.
Todem
Footballguy
The Jets need a playmaker in the worst way. A healthy CJ is a viable playmaker and he can really help add a homerun threat to the Jets. Coupled with Michael Vick who is always a threat to run, CJ can find himself a lot of room to operate.
CJ's best season came with another QB who was always a threat to run.......Vince Young.
CJ's best season came with another QB who was always a threat to run.......Vince Young.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Jets are pretty much the only team that makes sense at this point -- and he'll have a better line to run behind there. IMO NY would be a nice value bump for him.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
surprised Atl hasn't made a public move, they must be planning on drafting an RB
duaneok66
Footballguy
Chris Johnson says Jets visit went well but no decision yetPosted by Curtis Crabtree on April 15, 2014, 11:20 PM EDT
Translating....I got screwed by the titans being released late and the jets lowballed me with a 4 million per year offer. I have no idea what to do.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Where's the line to get screwed?
Like I said before, the Titans have given him about 30M over the last three years, and will give him another 4M as a going away present. Jamaal Charles has made about 14M in that span. McCoy has made less than 10M. Lynch about 17M. Rice about 12M. Forte about 15M. If that's getting the shaft, sign me up.
Somewhere around $4M/year is the new reality for an aging back with question marks. He is free to sign with any team in the league, some of which still have real needs at RB, and "surprisingly", none of them are lining up to pay CJ what he thinks he is worth. Sure, if he had gotten to market a little earlier, he MIGHT have gotten a LITTLE more, but not a lot. Was Cleveland going to give him $10M/year before they signed Tate? Miami before Moreno? SD before Brown? NOPE, not even close. The best fit for him is still out there.
The bottom line problem is that Johnson has/had unrealistic expectations to begin with. $10M/year is simply not the going rate for great backs let alone aging, good backs. If he had run for 5 YPC and 2k yards, sure, then lets talk premiums (but prob still not what he is looking for), but that's not what happened.
As for what he should do now, it's not that hard. Take what you can get, just like every other FA RB has done so far this year, and enjoy the $4M walking away money none of the rest of them enjoyed.
