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WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (5 Viewers)

It’s kind of wild, they would have been ok with taking Sutton who I think is on an expiring deal but also just decided to pay top money for Aiyuk. Do the 49ers know what they want?
 
I think they wanted Aiyuk but they didn't want to overpay. Aiyuk wanted more $$$. This is why it dragged on. Push came to shove and Aiyuk caved or at least that's my interpretation of what happened. In the scenario where Aiyuk gets traded or doesn't resign Sutton was the backup option.
 
It’s kind of wild, they would have been ok with taking Sutton who I think is on an expiring deal but also just decided to pay top money for Aiyuk. Do the 49ers know what they want?
I think continuity had value. They’re in a SB window. Sutton could have been a fall-back plan. I’m sure they’re much happier locking up their current WR1 than having Sutton as a bandaid.
 
Thank God. This has been one of the most painful and infuriating threads I've ever seen on this board in 25 years.

Really? There was tons of speculation as everyone tried to predict what he'd do.

Some people had firm opinions. But I missed anything "painful" and certainly missed anything "infuriating".

We never want threads to be those things.

I do get that the situation dragged out. And there was more speculation just because it went on so long.

But speculating about football is mostly what we do on this forum. I don't think people are going to stop posting their opinions on the topic or sharing opinions / predictions they're hearing.

Or are you saying something different?

For the topic though, yes, I'm glad to have some clarity.

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
Faust?

He will post info that is as good then your news reader.
 
Countdown to Deebo holdout next year…

Think Deebo will get moved in the offseason.
If that's the case then SF handled this very poorly. These other players are creating for Aiyuk, and he was smart to cash in after his breakout season. If DeeBo/Kittle/McCaffrey aren't there he's getting locked down by #1 corners with safety help every week. He's a mirage. The 49ers botched this. They should have paid Trent Williams and let this guy rot on his couch. There are impact WRs coming out every year AND they just drafted a WR in the first round.
Only Tyreek had a higher PFF grade than Aiyuk last year. It’s fine to not be a fan, but the numbers actually do point to him being elite. He also has fantastic hands-only two drops last season.

In addition, he’s also an outstanding run-blocker, which we all know is paramount in this offense.

Even with all of the other talent on this offense, it would be foolish in my opinion to assume this offense would not have skipped a beat without him. It seems the Niners agree.
PFF grades on individual wins. No doubt in my mind Aiyuk was able to win and win often. I think a lot of that success and his wins are based on the players around him though. When you game plan for the 49ers who do you stop 1st, 2nd, 3rd? I don’t think Aiyuk is the answer to any of those.

Would he have 1,300+ yards with Pitt or NE? I doubt it.

He’s not the guy you pay. Just my opinion. I wouldn’t pay Purdy top 10 money either.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.

I'm not a huge shark pool poster, but when it comes to pre-season/training camp info, this website is best in breed for info. Been that way for as long as I've been around. I don't care for Twitter as the noise is too much for me to weed through and I don't really jump on ESPN et al because they're too gimmicky and full of video content that I don't want. I like to read my news like an old. So in August, the Shark Pool is an invaluable tool for news nuggets. At least IMO.

I get using the forum to speculate on a player, but this thing just meandered around like a broken merry-go-round with very little useful information.

And I wouldn't use my views on this post or the Shark Pool as a measuring stick on how people use this forum. I'm not a heavy SP user; just an older one who gets crankier with each passing football season.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
Faust?

He will post info that is as good then your news reader.

For sure. Faust is amazing and does a fantastic job with news here. I'm super thankful for him. But he'd be the first to tell us, he's not trying to break stories here.

This goes back to the way we organize. In the past, I thought we SHOULD try to make this more of a breaking news thing. And I was in favor of new threads for specific stories. Not one giant thread for each player.

As we discussed, folks convinced me it was better to do it like this where we have one big thread per person. Mostly because the forum wasn't story driven as much as it was player driven. I think that works well here.
 
You'd be pressed to find a longer thread with less information than this one.

Obviously not alone with my sentiment.....
I dunno - I learned a ton about the salary cap, contracts, and other shark tank members.

And isn’t it really about the friends we made along the way?
Hey Fair point here, so no harm done but haha so glad its over and we can talk more about stats/projections, how it help the Niners to keep him, how it affects Trent Williams getting a deal done, the salary cap moving forward yadda yadda yadda we are finally moving forward.

Happy for him too, even though it seems he had to be shown the light, he got there eventually and got his generational altering pile of cash and the Niners get a very very good WR back on their team, so its a win. I don't think he will show up out of shape or anything either and he appears to have a good connection with Purdy, obviously.

As an Eagles fan though, this is certainly not the outcome I was rooting for haha.
 
I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.
I set a “Brandon Aiyuk” google alert.

Any breaking news hit my inbox the second it popped up.

Much faster/more reliable. No offense to the forums, of course.
Interesting, never knew that was a thing. Good to know!

Well, so long guys, nice knowing ya. 🚪🚶‍♂️
 
Premiere money to non-premiere players backfires pretty much every time.

Paying this guy premiere money before Trent Williams is idiotic.
 
Countdown to Deebo holdout next year…

Think Deebo will get moved in the offseason.
If that's the case then SF handled this very poorly. These other players are creating for Aiyuk, and he was smart to cash in after his breakout season. If DeeBo/Kittle/McCaffrey aren't there he's getting locked down by #1 corners with safety help every week. He's a mirage. The 49ers botched this. They should have paid Trent Williams and let this guy rot on his couch. There are impact WRs coming out every year AND they just drafted a WR in the first round.
Only Tyreek had a higher PFF grade than Aiyuk last year. It’s fine to not be a fan, but the numbers actually do point to him being elite. He also has fantastic hands-only two drops last season.

In addition, he’s also an outstanding run-blocker, which we all know is paramount in this offense.

Even with all of the other talent on this offense, it would be foolish in my opinion to assume this offense would not have skipped a beat without him. It seems the Niners agree.
PFF grades on individual wins. No doubt in my mind Aiyuk was able to win and win often. I think a lot of that success and his wins are based on the players around him though. When you game plan for the 49ers who do you stop 1st, 2nd, 3rd? I don’t think Aiyuk is the answer to any of those.

Would he have 1,300+ yards with Pitt or NE? I doubt it.

He’s not the guy you pay. Just my opinion. I wouldn’t pay Purdy top 10 money either.
I think what’s being discounted here is how much of an impact he has on the success of this offense.

He’s the only true X-WR that they have that can consistently get open and make plays downfield. He averaged 17.9 yards per reception last season-another elite statistic.

It just seems a bit disingenuous to dismiss him as the dispensable piece in this offense when he graded out higher than Deebo, Kittle and CMC last season.

And yes, I think a 1300+ yard season would have been attainable in NE because he would’ve saw vastly more targets than he’s ever seen in his career, and he’s good enough to rise above the potentially bad QB play.

Pitt, I’m not sure. I’d take the under there. Pitt would’ve been a nightmare scenario for fantasy owners in my opinion.
 
Premiere money to non-premiere players backfires pretty much every time.

Paying this guy premiere money before Trent Williams is idiotic.
I think Aiyuk is a premium player.

I also think Trent is more important to the 49ers success.

But I also know that Trent is 36 years old.

It’s a dilemma. We need Trent bad. But we also needed our top route-running WR.

They’ll find a way to pay Trent, IMO.
 
Pitt, I’m not sure. I’d take the under there. Pitt would’ve been a nightmare scenario for fantasy owners in my opinion.
Agreed. Russ will be looking out of his earhole for 2-4 games, and Fields might have more escapability, but likely not enough volume to support Pickens & Aiyuk, who’d both vulture each others numbers to the point that they’d both be WR2-3s for FF. Plus the Steelers still want to run run run run run.

One man’s opinion, of course.
 
He’s the only true X-WR that they have that can consistently get open and make plays downfield. He averaged 17.9 yards per reception last season-another elite statistic.
Just saw on NFL live that ESPN has a metric for WRs using next gen data called "Open Score", which tracks how open a WR gets on a route by route basis, whether or not the ball is thrown their way.

Aiyuk ranked 8th in the league last season. By comparison, Deebo ranked 128th.

Crazy difference.

Edit: here's a link to the rankings. Aiyuk is #1 overall when you avg his open, catch, and YAC scores (he's #1 in the catch category, and Deebo is #1 in the YAC category)

 
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If they can find a way to pay the guy the other 21 million he wants then they probably should. Although I wonder if he (Williams) would just accept a new 1 year 30 million contract.
 
He’s the only true X-WR that they have that can consistently get open and make plays downfield. He averaged 17.9 yards per reception last season-another elite statistic.
Just saw on NFL live that ESPN has a metric for WRs using next gen data called "Open Score", which tracks how open a WR gets on a route by route basis, whether or not the ball is thrown their way.

Aiyuk ranked 8th in the league last season. By comparison, Deebo ranked 128th.

Crazy difference.

Edit: here's a link to the rankings. Aiyuk is #1 overall when you avg his open, catch, and YAC scores (he's #1 in the catch category, and Deebo is #1 in the YAC category)

I look at this often to feed my confirmation bias that Diontae Johnson could explode with the decent QB play.

But for sure I knew Aiyuk graded awesome. You don't clip 1300 yards on 105 targets otherwise.

Deebo's open score has stunk every year, obviously not his game even if he was excelling as a pure receiver for most of 2021. Just as obvious is he's playing his last season in SF and based on everything I hear and see he's come into camp sort of knowing how big this year is for him.
 
and based on everything I hear and see he's come into camp sort of knowing how big this year is for him.
Yeah - he's clearly playing for a contract this year. He came into came in incredible shape.

He's also a "wideback" (I still hate that term) and more of a YAC guy than a WR target. Applpes and oranges sort of comparison. It'll be interesting to see how valuable he is for FF. I still expect that answer to be "very valuable".
 
He's also a "wideback" (I still hate that term) and more of a YAC guy than a WR target
I push back on that because he was a legitmate WR in 2021 and was piling up huge numbers before, out of necessity, they switched his role.He's different though for sure and I'm not sure how it's going to look for him without Kyle drawing stuff up.
I think for FF purposes “still very valuable” is in the likely range of outcomes.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
Jumping in here. I usually get the news elsewhere, but immediately jump on here essentially to verify.
If people aren’t talking about it here I tend to wait to but much stick into what I hear.
 
OBJ just looks washed. I’ve not been a fan for a very long time. Maybe it’s just haterade, but he looks like a shell of his former self.

Heard from Uruk_Hai that he was pretty open a lot last year and just wasn’t getting the ball. Has any receiver looked good in that Baltimore offense in the past five years? Now, we’ll see if he’s washed with whatever injury he’s coming off of. I roster him so this might be hoperade, but I was gonna cut him until he wound up on IR, and I might just keep him and see. I really don’t need a WR5 right now, but the best laid plans . . .

I’ll kick it back to Aiyuk. I have him on one dynasty team and have tried to acquire him in the other. That play his first year against Philly was something I couldn’t believe and I had to have the dude. He’s top notch and top of the line. Can’t wait to see him in action again this year.

As far as Trent Williams goes, I think you and Grahamburn pretty much have it covered. He’s probably more important than Aiyuk. He’s also 36. The Niners are in the midst of a SB deluge. They’ll likely figure out how to pay him. They should. He’s massive.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
I hate Twitter, so I rely on Faust posting the most meaningful tweets here.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
I hate Twitter, so I rely on Faust posting the most meaningful tweets here.

interesting. I don't know how I'd live without Twitter for NFL info. It's incredible.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
I hate Twitter, so I rely on Faust posting the most meaningful tweets here.

interesting. I don't know how I'd live without Twitter for NFL info. It's incredible.
I don't know how I'd live without @Faust

He's like the internet equivalent of the daily paper for us olds.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
I hate Twitter, so I rely on Faust posting the most meaningful tweets here.

interesting. I don't know how I'd live without Twitter for NFL info. It's incredible.
I don't know how I'd live without @Faust

He's like the internet equivalent of the daily paper for us olds.
Same. Three cheers for @Faust !

Whenever I click on a players thread that’s been bumped and I see that red avatar I know it’s going to be a nice little tidbit.
 
Details emerge: Brandon Aiyuks New deal creates 2024 cap space for 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have officially signed Brandon Aiyuk to a contract extension, not only making him one of the highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL but also creating nearly $8.4 million in salary cap space for 2024.

According to Spotrac.com's detailed breakdown, Aiyuk's cap hit for the upcoming season has been reduced from $14.124 million to $5.725 million. The new four-year, $120 million deal includes a $23 million signing bonus, paid out immediately but prorated over the length of the contract. Of the total, $76 million is guaranteed, with $45 million fully guaranteed at signing. The remaining $31 million will become fully guaranteed in April 2025, per the salary cap tracking site.

The contract also includes two void years—2029 and 2030—and provides the 49ers with a potential out in 2027, when Aiyuk's salary cap hit jumps by over $26 million compared to the previous year.

Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the contract, according to Spotrac.com:

2024
Base salary: $1,125,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $0
Option proration: $0
Workout bonus: $0
Cap hit: $5,725,000

2025

Base salary: $1,170,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $4,571,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $11,191,000

2026

Base salary: $1,215,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $16,223,000

2027

Base salary: $27,274,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $42,282,000

2028

Base salary: $29,150,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $44,158,000

2029 (Void)

Option proration: $9,558,000
Cap hit: $9,558,000

2030 (Void)

Option proration: $4,987,000
Cap hit: $4,987,000




So he will be a 49er through 2026.
 

As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.


As an owner looking for news, seeing this continually at the top of the thread with no new news was aggravating. I was using hyperbole, I'll try to avoid that in the future.

Thanks. That is interesting to me though. I've always thought folks didn't use the forum much for finding news. There are so many faster ways people get news these days.

I feel like most people use the forum to talk about what's happening. And mostly, to speculate on what they think will happen. More of a discussion and less of a news reporting thing.

But I also could very well be misunderstanding how people use the forum.
I hate Twitter, so I rely on Faust posting the most meaningful tweets here.

interesting. I don't know how I'd live without Twitter for NFL info. It's incredible.
Twitter is horrible. 80% junk. Pretty much 100% use this forum for news. If it's happening, there will be a thread here at the top of the page. This forum is awesome because usually people sort through the junk and post the valuable/real stuff.

Sure, you can get it faster on twitter. Give 1 million monkeys 1 million typewriters and they'll eventually type the entire works of William Shakespeare.
 
Details emerge: Brandon Aiyuks New deal creates 2024 cap space for 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have officially signed Brandon Aiyuk to a contract extension, not only making him one of the highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL but also creating nearly $8.4 million in salary cap space for 2024.

According to Spotrac.com's detailed breakdown, Aiyuk's cap hit for the upcoming season has been reduced from $14.124 million to $5.725 million. The new four-year, $120 million deal includes a $23 million signing bonus, paid out immediately but prorated over the length of the contract. Of the total, $76 million is guaranteed, with $45 million fully guaranteed at signing. The remaining $31 million will become fully guaranteed in April 2025, per the salary cap tracking site.

The contract also includes two void years—2029 and 2030—and provides the 49ers with a potential out in 2027, when Aiyuk's salary cap hit jumps by over $26 million compared to the previous year.

Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the contract, according to Spotrac.com:

2024
Base salary: $1,125,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $0
Option proration: $0
Workout bonus: $0
Cap hit: $5,725,000

2025

Base salary: $1,170,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $4,571,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $11,191,000

2026

Base salary: $1,215,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $16,223,000

2027

Base salary: $27,274,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $42,282,000

2028

Base salary: $29,150,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $44,158,000

2029 (Void)

Option proration: $9,558,000
Cap hit: $9,558,000

2030 (Void)

Option proration: $4,987,000
Cap hit: $4,987,000




So he will be a 49er through 2026.
What is an option proration?

Is roster/game bonus multiple by number of games he plays in or on the 53 man roster OR is it the total available and would be divided by the number of game to get a per game amount?
 
Details emerge: Brandon Aiyuks New deal creates 2024 cap space for 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have officially signed Brandon Aiyuk to a contract extension, not only making him one of the highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL but also creating nearly $8.4 million in salary cap space for 2024.

According to Spotrac.com's detailed breakdown, Aiyuk's cap hit for the upcoming season has been reduced from $14.124 million to $5.725 million. The new four-year, $120 million deal includes a $23 million signing bonus, paid out immediately but prorated over the length of the contract. Of the total, $76 million is guaranteed, with $45 million fully guaranteed at signing. The remaining $31 million will become fully guaranteed in April 2025, per the salary cap tracking site.

The contract also includes two void years—2029 and 2030—and provides the 49ers with a potential out in 2027, when Aiyuk's salary cap hit jumps by over $26 million compared to the previous year.

Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the contract, according to Spotrac.com:

2024
Base salary: $1,125,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $0
Option proration: $0
Workout bonus: $0
Cap hit: $5,725,000

2025

Base salary: $1,170,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $4,571,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $11,191,000

2026

Base salary: $1,215,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $16,223,000

2027

Base salary: $27,274,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $42,282,000

2028

Base salary: $29,150,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $44,158,000

2029 (Void)

Option proration: $9,558,000
Cap hit: $9,558,000

2030 (Void)

Option proration: $4,987,000
Cap hit: $4,987,000




So he will be a 49er through 2026.
What is an option proration?

Is roster/game bonus multiple by number of games he plays in or on the 53 man roster OR is it the total available and would be divided by the number of game
Better breakdown
 
SF will be in salary cap hell next year and the foreseeable future, so they have to do whatever it takes to win it all this year. That meant paying Aiyuk and also doing whatever it takes to get Trent Williams back this year. In all likelihood, Superbowl window with this current core group closes after this year due to salary cap constraints. And I think SF realistically knows that.
 
SF will be in salary cap hell next year and the foreseeable future, so they have to do whatever it takes to win it all this year. That meant paying Aiyuk and also doing whatever it takes to get Trent Williams back this year. In all likelihood, Superbowl window with this current core group closes after this year due to salary cap constraints. And I think SF realistically knows that.
They are probably fine but Trent Williams is probably what is could really screw them over. Say they give him 2-3 more years because he’s demanding it and then he retires after this year, that gtd money has to come off the books right away. But they also need him.

I think if Trent’s demands were simple such as guaranteeing this year opposed to him being week to week (he can be cut at any time), it would’ve already been done. This one seems like there may not be a easy resolution. He just turned 36 years old and he has all the leverage.

So really I am changing my stance, they are probably not ok because a lot of this has to do with TW. He has control over a lot of outcomes at this point.
 
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SF will be in salary cap hell next year and the foreseeable future, so they have to do whatever it takes to win it all this year. That meant paying Aiyuk and also doing whatever it takes to get Trent Williams back this year. In all likelihood, Superbowl window with this current core group closes after this year due to salary cap constraints. And I think SF realistically knows that.
They are probably fine but Trent Williams is probably what is could really screw them over. Say they give him 2-3 more years because he’s demanding it and then he retires after this year, that gtd money has to come off the books right away. But they also need him.

I think if Trent’s demands were simple such as guaranteeing this year opposed to him being week to week (he can be cut at any time), it would’ve already been done. This one seems like there may not be a easy resolution. He just turned 36 years old and he has all the leverage.

So really I am changing my stance, they are probably not ok because a lot of this has to do with TW. He has control over a lot of outcomes at this point.
This below article explains their salary cap situation even before they signed Aiyuk and before they pay Brock next year. They'll have to release or trade some really good players in the coming years just to be cap compliant. This year is likely their last good chance at winning a Superbowl for the foreseeable future, and SF realistically knows they need Trent Wiliiams to do it, so, yes, Trent has a ton of leverage. If their realistic Superbowl window wasn't about to close, I think they would have been very open to trading Aiyuk and Trent. Superbowl or bust.
 
SF will be in salary cap hell next year and the foreseeable future, so they have to do whatever it takes to win it all this year. That meant paying Aiyuk and also doing whatever it takes to get Trent Williams back this year. In all likelihood, Superbowl window with this current core group closes after this year due to salary cap constraints. And I think SF realistically knows that.
They are probably fine but Trent Williams is probably what is could really screw them over. Say they give him 2-3 more years because he’s demanding it and then he retires after this year, that gtd money has to come off the books right away. But they also need him.

I think if Trent’s demands were simple such as guaranteeing this year opposed to him being week to week (he can be cut at any time), it would’ve already been done. This one seems like there may not be a easy resolution. He just turned 36 years old and he has all the leverage.

So really I am changing my stance, they are probably not ok because a lot of this has to do with TW. He has control over a lot of outcomes at this point.
This below article explains their salary cap situation even before they signed Aiyuk and before they pay Brock next year. They'll have to release or trade some really good players in the coming years just to be cap compliant. This year is likely their last good chance at winning a Superbowl for the foreseeable future, and SF realistically knows they need Trent Wiliiams to do it, so, yes, Trent has a ton of leverage. If their realistic Superbowl window wasn't about to close, I think they would have been very open to trading Aiyuk and Trent. Superbowl or bust.
No offense to you, but most guys that report on the salary cap really don’t have a clue how it works. The Niners have almost $40M in cap space for this year. If they decide not to use it, it will roll over into next year. That would mean they are $10M under the cap next year, not $30M over. Teams have any number of ways to manipulate the salary cap . . . converting salary money into bonus money (CLE just did this with Watson), adding dummy years to contracts (like SF did with Aiyuk), extending contracts with insane last year salaries that players will never see, etc. The cap keeps going up, so teams will find ways to push the cap hits into the future. Eventually when teams hit a phase where their guys get old and they don’t win as much, they will have a reset year and eat a ton of dead money. But teams can wait on that for quite awhile.
 
Details emerge: Brandon Aiyuks New deal creates 2024 cap space for 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have officially signed Brandon Aiyuk to a contract extension, not only making him one of the highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL but also creating nearly $8.4 million in salary cap space for 2024.

According to Spotrac.com's detailed breakdown, Aiyuk's cap hit for the upcoming season has been reduced from $14.124 million to $5.725 million. The new four-year, $120 million deal includes a $23 million signing bonus, paid out immediately but prorated over the length of the contract. Of the total, $76 million is guaranteed, with $45 million fully guaranteed at signing. The remaining $31 million will become fully guaranteed in April 2025, per the salary cap tracking site.

The contract also includes two void years—2029 and 2030—and provides the 49ers with a potential out in 2027, when Aiyuk's salary cap hit jumps by over $26 million compared to the previous year.

Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the contract, according to Spotrac.com:

2024
Base salary: $1,125,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $0
Option proration: $0
Workout bonus: $0
Cap hit: $5,725,000

2025

Base salary: $1,170,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $4,571,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $11,191,000

2026

Base salary: $1,215,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $16,223,000

2027

Base salary: $27,274,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $42,282,000

2028

Base salary: $29,150,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $44,158,000

2029 (Void)

Option proration: $9,558,000
Cap hit: $9,558,000

2030 (Void)

Option proration: $4,987,000
Cap hit: $4,987,000




So he will be a 49er through 2026.
What is an option proration?

Is roster/game bonus multiple by number of games he plays in or on the 53 man roster OR is it the total available and would be divided by the number of game to get a per game amount?
@Anarchy99 Can you explain this to me?
 
SF will be in salary cap hell next year and the foreseeable future, so they have to do whatever it takes to win it all this year. That meant paying Aiyuk and also doing whatever it takes to get Trent Williams back this year. In all likelihood, Superbowl window with this current core group closes after this year due to salary cap constraints. And I think SF realistically knows that.
They are probably fine but Trent Williams is probably what is could really screw them over. Say they give him 2-3 more years because he’s demanding it and then he retires after this year, that gtd money has to come off the books right away. But they also need him.

I think if Trent’s demands were simple such as guaranteeing this year opposed to him being week to week (he can be cut at any time), it would’ve already been done. This one seems like there may not be a easy resolution. He just turned 36 years old and he has all the leverage.

So really I am changing my stance, they are probably not ok because a lot of this has to do with TW. He has control over a lot of outcomes at this point.
This below article explains their salary cap situation even before they signed Aiyuk and before they pay Brock next year. They'll have to release or trade some really good players in the coming years just to be cap compliant. This year is likely their last good chance at winning a Superbowl for the foreseeable future, and SF realistically knows they need Trent Wiliiams to do it, so, yes, Trent has a ton of leverage. If their realistic Superbowl window wasn't about to close, I think they would have been very open to trading Aiyuk and Trent. Superbowl or bust.
No offense to you, but most guys that report on the salary cap really don’t have a clue how it works. The Niners have almost $40M in cap space for this year. If they decide not to use it, it will roll over into next year. That would mean they are $10M under the cap next year, not $30M over. Teams have any number of ways to manipulate the salary cap . . . converting salary money into bonus money (CLE just did this with Watson), adding dummy years to contracts (like SF did with Aiyuk), extending contracts with insane last year salaries that players will never see, etc. The cap keeps going up, so teams will find ways to push the cap hits into the future. Eventually when teams hit a phase where their guys get old and they don’t win as much, they will have a reset year and eat a ton of dead money. But teams can wait on that for quite awhile.
I understand that unspent money rolls over to next year. So, for instance, the Deshaun Watson restructuring has no long term bearing as long as the Browns don't spend all the saved money in the near future. And I understand teams often structure/restructure contracts to push the money into future years. But with all the big contracts SF has committed to, the next one probably being Trent Willams who deservedly wants to be the highest paid left tackle, and then Brock after that, the 49ers will have some really tough roster decisions in the coming years.
 
Don’t look now but they rated Odell Beckham 27th overall. 👀
OBJ just looks washed. I’ve not been a fan for a very long time. Maybe it’s just haterade, but he looks like a shell of his former self.
No hate on OBJ. Just reality he is older. And his rating last year might have something to do with the team he is on. If you had to cover Hill, Waddell, Mostert and Achane you might let your weakest DB/LB take on an aging OBJ. Just an opinion.
 
Details emerge: Brandon Aiyuks New deal creates 2024 cap space for 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have officially signed Brandon Aiyuk to a contract extension, not only making him one of the highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL but also creating nearly $8.4 million in salary cap space for 2024.

According to Spotrac.com's detailed breakdown, Aiyuk's cap hit for the upcoming season has been reduced from $14.124 million to $5.725 million. The new four-year, $120 million deal includes a $23 million signing bonus, paid out immediately but prorated over the length of the contract. Of the total, $76 million is guaranteed, with $45 million fully guaranteed at signing. The remaining $31 million will become fully guaranteed in April 2025, per the salary cap tracking site.

The contract also includes two void years—2029 and 2030—and provides the 49ers with a potential out in 2027, when Aiyuk's salary cap hit jumps by over $26 million compared to the previous year.

Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the contract, according to Spotrac.com:

2024
Base salary: $1,125,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $0
Option proration: $0
Workout bonus: $0
Cap hit: $5,725,000

2025

Base salary: $1,170,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $4,571,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $11,191,000

2026

Base salary: $1,215,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $16,223,000

2027

Base salary: $27,274,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $42,282,000

2028

Base salary: $29,150,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $44,158,000

2029 (Void)

Option proration: $9,558,000
Cap hit: $9,558,000

2030 (Void)

Option proration: $4,987,000
Cap hit: $4,987,000




So he will be a 49er through 2026.
What is an option proration?

Is roster/game bonus multiple by number of games he plays in or on the 53 man roster OR is it the total available and would be divided by the number of game to get a per game amount?
@Anarchy99 Can you explain this to me?
SF opted to add 2 dummy years to Aiyuk’s contract. The first dummy year they are scheduled to take a $9.5M cap hit and a roughly $5M cap it the second dummy year. The benefit is it reduces the cap hit both this year and across the rest of the active years of the contract I haven’t seen this process called an option proration before, but the way the numbers are mapped out on Spotrac, it just looks like a fancier way to say they added dummy years.
 
Details emerge: Brandon Aiyuks New deal creates 2024 cap space for 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have officially signed Brandon Aiyuk to a contract extension, not only making him one of the highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL but also creating nearly $8.4 million in salary cap space for 2024.

According to Spotrac.com's detailed breakdown, Aiyuk's cap hit for the upcoming season has been reduced from $14.124 million to $5.725 million. The new four-year, $120 million deal includes a $23 million signing bonus, paid out immediately but prorated over the length of the contract. Of the total, $76 million is guaranteed, with $45 million fully guaranteed at signing. The remaining $31 million will become fully guaranteed in April 2025, per the salary cap tracking site.

The contract also includes two void years—2029 and 2030—and provides the 49ers with a potential out in 2027, when Aiyuk's salary cap hit jumps by over $26 million compared to the previous year.

Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the contract, according to Spotrac.com:

2024
Base salary: $1,125,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $0
Option proration: $0
Workout bonus: $0
Cap hit: $5,725,000

2025

Base salary: $1,170,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $4,571,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $11,191,000

2026

Base salary: $1,215,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $16,223,000

2027

Base salary: $27,274,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $42,282,000

2028

Base salary: $29,150,000
Signing bonus proration: $4,600,000
Roster/game bonus: $750,000
Option proration: $9,558,000
Workout bonus: $100,000
Cap hit: $44,158,000

2029 (Void)

Option proration: $9,558,000
Cap hit: $9,558,000

2030 (Void)

Option proration: $4,987,000
Cap hit: $4,987,000




So he will be a 49er through 2026.
What is an option proration?

Is roster/game bonus multiple by number of games he plays in or on the 53 man roster OR is it the total available and would be divided by the number of game to get a per game amount?
@Anarchy99 Can you explain this to me?
SF opted to add 2 dummy years to Aiyuk’s contract. The first dummy year they are scheduled to take a $9.5M cap hit and a roughly $5M cap it the second dummy year. The benefit is it reduces the cap hit both this year and across the rest of the active years of the contract I haven’t seen this process called an option proration before, but the way the numbers are mapped out on Spotrac, it just looks like a fancier way to say they added dummy years.
Thanks. And the roster/game bonus?
 

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