BigTex
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I know he’s been hampered with ankle issues which started in October. Maybe a connection with the injury.
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WR CeeDee Lamb, DAL (1 Viewer)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
If they keep him outside to face number one corners I won’t be very optimistic. If he plays mostly slot I think he will be a top ten performer.
This really happens with 23 year old people?
@jonmachota
Cowboys WR CeeDee Lamb said he grew half an inch and gained 10 pounds of muscle this offseason. On if he’s ready to take over as the team’s No. 1 WR: “I’ve been ready. That’s just me and my competitiveness. That’s in my nature. I’m always ready for my name to be called.”
https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1529551458810699777
@jonmachota
Cowboys WR CeeDee Lamb said he grew half an inch and gained 10 pounds of muscle this offseason. On if he’s ready to take over as the team’s No. 1 WR: “I’ve been ready. That’s just me and my competitiveness. That’s in my nature. I’m always ready for my name to be called.”
https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1529551458810699777
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
While the compensation the Cowboys got for Cooper was 
…this move needed to happen. Legit overall WR1 candidate now.
…this move needed to happen. Legit overall WR1 candidate now.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I have him in dyno and hope your right. However I am not as confident as he will attract better coverage and attention so hopefully him and Dak are more on the same page this year. There were too many games last year that he disappeared. Not sure if that was on Lamb, Dak, or the offense.While the compensation the Cowboys got for Cooper was
JFS171
Footballguy
Does anyone else share my concerns that Lamb’s career arc may end up mirroring Juju’s to some extent? He smashes in the slot. He’s performed well as the second guy, though now he’s being elevated to the primary weapon, and thus primary focal point of the defense. Can he succeed or is this where he disappoints?
The entire volume discussion just feels like such a tricky one for dynasty. Sure, this year, he’s going to get peppered. Volume in the absence of other assets is not the same as volume demanded by elite talent. Where does Lamb fall?
The entire volume discussion just feels like such a tricky one for dynasty. Sure, this year, he’s going to get peppered. Volume in the absence of other assets is not the same as volume demanded by elite talent. Where does Lamb fall?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I drafted Lamb and he has finished WR16 (2021) and WR21(2020). He seems like he should be a lot better. He should be up for WR1 but doesn't seem to ever get there. I hope he gets there but I am not holding my breath.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In the past I have been rather bearish on him… I am 100% turned around to being bullish on him at this point, purly due to the target share now available to him. I believe he and Dalton Schultz will be the primary beneficiaries of all of the vacated targets.
Realistically, I believe he is a top 10 to 15 WR, but the potential is there, as well as the opportunity.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I have watched a lot of their games. The usage doesn't seem to fit the hype. Now that may change as HSG thinks but I haven't seen it in Dallas yet. There are some WR's that you watch and they just get fed and get chunks of yards all the time. Lamb seems to disappear in the Dallas game plans. I just haven't had the confidence in him having watched him a lot in their system. Hopefully that changes with Cooper gone.
ETA: My indictment is more geared toward Dallas......not Lamb. I think he is really good and is always open.
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Fantasy Mojo posted ADP for 4 Pros vs Joes. He's going off the board at 14.75 in TEP after Andrews but before Henry and Swift. Wow. I don't know that format but WOW. That's mind blowing.
https://www.fantasymojo.com/index.php/pvj2022adp/
https://www.fantasymojo.com/index.php/pvj2022adp/
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
I play that format a lot, and it seems they over adjusted putting TE that high. Kelce going end of 1 in TEP and Andrews early 2nd.
Henry should never fall that farn and wont in real drafts.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I have always been bullish on Lamb. I think he needs more targets and that should happen this season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed. The talent is there, and now the opportunity is there, too.
IMO, Lamb is a victim of the monumental hype early on. So while many in the FF community see a guy who failed to hit those lofty expectations, I believe they're kind of missing the lofty numbers he did put up & it's clouding judgement on the opportunity in front of him.
And with targets vacated by AC & Ced Wilson, Lamb should eat plenty. And this is a dude who had 120 targets last year & produced 1100+ & 6 TDs, so if he gets to 150 targets, he could produce a 90/1200/10 season (or better).
I think this is the year that his production finally catches up to the hype.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
To be fair, Dak wasn't 100% last year, and I've heard they wanted to limit his rushing. And without Dak running, some of the Cowboys drives stalled.
So correct, it was in part due to Dak's play, I'm not sure it's a "blame" thing - he was coming off of a pretty significant injury. I'm optimistic that he plays more like his pre-injury self this year.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Maybe I’m just too burnt by guys like Ridley and JuJu that withered when they got the opportunity to be the alpha. Also, watching guys like JJ and Chase, CeeDee’s progression and talent seem not on their level. It seems like people really do think he’s talented enough to size it.. just still feels like a riskier bet than some of the other options in that area. If I draft him, you can be sure he’ll get hurt 
I’ll steer clear for you guys.
I’ll steer clear for you guys.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Be sure to give us the head's up if you put that bad mojo on CeeDee.Maybe I’m just too burnt by guys like Ridley and JuJu that withered when they got the opportunity to be the alpha. Also, watching guys like JJ and Chase, CeeDee’s progression and talent seem not on their level. It seems like people really do think he’s talented enough to size it.. just still feels like a riskier bet than some of the other options in that area. If I draft him, you can be sure he’ll get hurt
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Huge Cowboys and Lamb fan, but if you are expecting elite WR1 numbers from him, I think you're going to be disappointed, IMO.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I feel the same. Unless they scheme him from the slot I think similar numbers are coming. I think Schultz will be the biggest beneficiary of the available targets.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
15-20 more receptions seems pretty do-able. That would certainly put him in the conversation of FF WR1s if the TDs are there along with 1000+ yards.
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Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I've seen some mention they like Lamb better in the slot... might this have been a product of him playing outside more with Gallup out? I'd think Lamb would benefit playing both outside and inside, but IDK. Do we have enough faith in the coaching staff to make him a Top 5 WR and keep him from disappearing occasionally?
JFS171
Footballguy
These are inherently the concerns I have, spread across several posts. Guys like Chase and Jefferson demand targets because they win everywhere. What’s the issue with Dallas? Is it Dak? Is it the scheme/system? Is it that he has to be in the slot (which in and of itself feels problematic to me)? What happens when he’s outside because they don’t have anybody else outside?
There’s two perspectives on this:
1) He’s always been good, and has lacked the volume, and now he’s going to get the volume, so let’s watch him explode.
2) He’s not quite as good as market perception of him, and the market hype provides an opportunity to sell high before he inevitably disappoints.
To me, if Lamb smashes this year, it was expected, and I’m not sure it really increases his value all that much. I doubt he gets valued as a top-3 or top-5 guy. On the other hand, if he fails to deliver on the hype for the third year in a row (whether due to unfair/unrealistic expectations or not), where’s his value go? How far does it fall?
I see a lot more probability on latter than the former.
jm192
Footballguy
The FBG Dynasty Trade Value Chart has Lamb as dynasty WR3 right now. I'm not saying it's a perfect source or the authoritative source. But I think most of us would agree FBG is a good/respectable fantasy website.
I think if he has the huge season--he's absolutely a top 3-5 guy in dynasty. Now, sure, he isn't "moving up." But if he solidifies himself as a top 3-5 dynasty WR at 23 years old, you're in a hurry to sell high? Jefferson and Chase aren't moving any higher either. Sure, they've already proven it to you. But the "you should sell because his value isn't getting any higher" mindset doesn't do a lot for me when he's 23 years old.
He had over 1,000 total yards as a rookie. He had 1100 yards last year despite missing a game. His volume was capped by the presence of Cooper. Gallup was another talented pass catcher that demanded volume. They're going to open the season with no Cooper and no Gallup.
CAN he disappoint us? Sure. Quite literally anyone can. All we can do is draw logical conclusions based on the facts.
1. He has 1st round draft capital.
2. He's already had success. He's coming off an 1100 yard season.
3. They felt comfortable enough with him becoming an alpha receiver that they traded Cooper away. Sure, Cooper's cost plays a role. But I don't believe Jerry Jones is sitting there thinking "alright, well, the team is too expensive so it's time to rebuild."
4. Cooper has averaged over 7 targets per game over the last 3 years.
5. Gallup won't be ready week 1.
6. Tolbert may be awesome, but he's a rookie with 3rd round draft capital. I'm not betting on him setting the world on fire.
All this to say: Dallas continues to show they believe he's an elite talent. Between Coopers departure and lack of other big time receivers on the roster--Lamb is about to get absolutely peppered with targets. There's a lot of talent. There's about to be a lot of opportunity. This one seems really obvious.
I hear the "he only is good in the slot" talk a lot about many WR's. It has been used for Lamb. My question is if he always wins in the slot why would the coaches put him anywhere else. I mean it's just a spot on the field and winning is winning so if he always wins from there it seems like good scheming to utilize him from that spot. Why put him somewhere else where he isn't as good?
I have seem Adams moved all over the field in GB. He ran routes from everywhere including the slot. Why is winning in the slot considered a bad thing?
I have seem Adams moved all over the field in GB. He ran routes from everywhere including the slot. Why is winning in the slot considered a bad thing?
JFS171
Footballguy
I don’t think winning in the slot in and of itself is a bad thing. I think *only* being able to win in the slot limits the ceiling of the player.
I guess I don't understand this. If he wins all the time in the slot and they utilize that to his advantage how is that a limit?
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I snipped some of this post, but generally I agree with it.
I will be targeting Lamb everywhere, if I can't get Jefferson or Kupp. Generally I opt to draft in the later slots, so I will be looking at WRs like Adams, Lamb, Allen, Diggs etc. With my preference on Lamb.
I think his most likley finish is in the low end WR1- high end WR2 range.....but I think thats almost a lock if healthy.
However , lets just say Michael Gallup is set to miss 3-6 weeks, and all the latest news makes that seem likely.
The true shark move might be to wait until after week 3 , (especially if he is very strong the first few weeks) and if you can get full on top 5 value for Lamb, then flip him immediately, expecting a slight decline in production after Gallup returns and Washington works his way into the offense.
If he exploded for 3 weeks, and I could move him (plus a minor piece) for Justin Jefferson , then I would be all over that move, and it might be doable too......depending on the first 3 weeks.
All this aside ^^^ I have not looked at their early season schedules just yet either, and that may affect things a bit.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
2 catches on 11 targets. Rough start. CeeDee got plenty of "usage" though; if that continues, he'll be a breakout eventually. It could be an indicator that he was still not prepared to be the "alpha". But it's tough going when the defense knows you are by far the biggest receiving threat.
Deamon
Footballguy
And now with Dak out 6-8 weeks, I really wonder how he will do. I don't know much about Cooper but the offense as a whole will suffer without Dak (I think)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Trade for Jimmy G? lol they're screwed either way with the OL injuries rn
Watched Rush throughout college; 4-year starter, he went to my alma mater. Limited upside, UDFA who needed development, been bouncing around for 5 years. His one and only start (last year) he played well vs the Vikings; Amari Cooper went 8-122-1 and Lamb 6-112, he ended up with 325 and 2 TDs.
Cam Newton is out there. Maybe talk Fitz out of retirement.
Deamon
Footballguy
I dunno. I mean, by the time you get another QB in here, visited, signed, physical/paperwork, teach them the playbook, and have them productive with the offense, you're probably looking at week 4 and you're only a few weeks away from Dak at that point.
Think they probably roll with Cooper
Judge Smails
Footballguy
He is not an alpha. Not when you watch the likes of Chase, Jefferson, Kupp, Adams, AJ Brown. Gifted, but not an alpha
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Banger
Footballguy
I didn't get Lamb anywhere this year but certainly wanted him. Thought he was going to be a stud based on the target share and his talent. They really did look lost as a team last night...the game wasn't even out of hand yet they couldn't get out of their own way. I love Lamb but it doesn't look great.
