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WR CeeDee Lamb, DAL (2 Viewers)
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
The problem with Lamb is that there are two other good WRs that will take away targets. This is great for Dallas but not so great for FF.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Lamb is my top-ranked WRin dynasty, easily. Wish Icould have traded for him this past off-season. Apparently Michael Thomas for CeeDee Lamb+ was not the winning offer Ihoped for.
-jb-
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
His consensus ADP is around WR14-15, roughly 42-44 overall. Honestly it should be WR10/33, and his upside is Top 5. Whatever the price I want him.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Yeah a 28 year old banged up guy that just lost his HOF QB for the privilege of adding something to Lamb isn't going to happen.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
A player like him is the reason why I think it's so important to Mock Draft on your leagues site, because of the rankings they present. ESPN has him ranked incredibly low I feel and I've been able to get him consistently at the end of the third round, beginning of the fourth round. I'll take him as my third or fourth drafted player all day long.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Sure, if you go WR-WR-WR. Or are drafting at the end of the round, get lucky, and go WR-RB-WR-WR
joey
Footballguy
:sehorn: due to the fact that I just draft Lamb at the 3.2 in a dynasty start up draft. More of a fun, local, work league than an all-shark league, but I don’t care! I finally have me a share of Lamb in fantasy football(since my Raiders decided to pass him up in reality footballBobbyLayne said:
)Really getting the feeling Lamb is going to be grossly overdrafted, and that likewise Cooper might be a steal. It hasn't fully happened yet, but with all these glowing reports, I think Lamb is going to start going in round 2 of many drafts, while Cooper might start sliding to round 5-ish, ala Jefferson/Thielen.
jm192
Footballguy
Isn't Cooper still recovering?
I'm worried about Cooper being 100% to start the season. Lamb can use this camp to develop his chemistry with Dak. I think he's going to be really special starting now. I think he'll go in the 2nd next year. You're drafting him at his ceiling in the 2nd. I'm happpy to pay a 3rd for him.
Cooper I'm iffy on until I hear he's 100%. If you want the value play, I think Gallup could be a 1,000 yard guy with higher upside if Cooper misses time into the season.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree he’s rising.
Not sure I agree it’ll be over-drafting him.
He was on a pretty ridiculous pace as a rookie before Dak got hurt.
Could realistically finish as a top 10 WR, so 2nd round isn’t unreasonable. Outside chance he’s top 6 if things break right.
Cooper hasn’t exactly been the model of health, and Gallup isn’t on Lamb or Cooper’s level talent-wise.
Lamb is actually a bargain in the 3rd and I’m a little shocked he’s been going that late.
Cooper is ready to go according to McCarthy, they just are babying him a bit, because they don't think he needs the work.
Huge fan of Lamb's, but he's currently going WR12, at 28th overall. I'm just saying I expect that to get higher the closer to the season we get, and especially as these reports keep coming out. I don't think its crazy to think he could go in the Jefferson/AJ/Metcalf range in a week or 2, and that makes Lamb basically an avoid at those prices.
Cooper is currently WR17 at 40th overall. It stands to reason that will continue falling as Lamb continues rising. If Cooper starts going outside the top-20 WR's, he might be the steal of the draft. That's all I'm saying.
I look at Dallas as a 1A/1B type situation. Dak and Cooper have a ton of chemistry and trust. That is why I compared it to Jefferson/Thielen, and Thielen is like the king of undervalued WRs right now in my opinion.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Curious if you do your own Tier Rsnkings @travdogg - if not, interested if you think these need more refinement. I feel pretty strongly about Tier 1 & 2, but feel like ER8-WR19 could go in just about any order and I’d be fine with it. I’d say Lamb is at THE VERY TOP of this Tier in terms of ceiling, and Brandon Aiyuk is at the top of my next one (not listed.) Gun up my head though, I love the have-proven-it-for-years target hogs in this range.
But irrespective of specific individual rankings, where do you see the Tier breaks? Where is Lamb?
Tier 1
1 Davante Adams GB
2 Tyreek Hill KC
Tier 2
3 Calvin Ridley ATL
4 DeAndre Hopkins ARI
5 Stefon Diggs BUF
6 DK Metcalf SEA
7 Justin Jefferson MIN
8 A.J. Brown TEN
Tier 3
9 Keenan Allen LAC
10 Allen Robinson CHI
11 CeeDee Lamb DAL
12 Terry McLaurin WAS
13 Mike Evans TB
14 Amari Cooper DAL
15 Robert Woods LAR
16 Tyler Lockett SEA
17 Cooper Kupp LAR
18 Chris Godwin TB
19 Adam Thielen MIN
I personally have Lamb in tier 5 for me, but my tier lists are a little smaller, and I still prefer Cooper to Lamb.
Tier 1: Adams, Diggs, Hill...I think Diggs will be even better with a full offseason to work with Allen. A lot of room for Diggs to put up better numbers, especially in the TD department.
Tier 2: Hopkins, Metcalf, Ridley...I go back and forth daily on Metcalf or Ridley at 5. Metcalf probably has a higher ceiling, Ridley is likely more consistent. Hopkins, like Diggs, has a lot of room for TD growth.
Tier 3: Brown, Evans, Jefferson, McLaurin...I'm probably driving the Evans bandwagon, as I have been his entire career. I think he's got a shot to lead the NFL in TD catches, he did what he did last year, despite being probably less than 75% all season.
Tier 4: Allen, Cooper, Julio, Robinson, Thielen
Tier 5: Lamb, Moore, Woods...I may move Lamb up a tier, but I just don't trust him as much as the guys ahead of him. In dynasty he'd be a top-10 WR for sure, but I still think he's got a ways to go to match Cooper's rapport with Dak. I also think that despite the possibility that Dak leads the NFL in passing yards, it could be distributed fairly evenly, including Gallup, if things break right for him.
Since you went to 19, I will too, and say my #19 guy is Aiyuk.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I don’t expect the targets to go down since Lamb is a beast. I am just slightly concerned that a healthy Cooper is capable of being a WR1 and Gallup is decent.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Thanks @travdogg great job.
Bro I’m with you on the production Cooper & Dak have had since the trade, it’s a special connection, different kinds of receivers but similar to Russ & Lockett.
I think Lamb can be the alpha on this team. I think it could happen this year. But in projecting that I’m expecting he and Gallup flip their snaps (731 VS a team leading 1004) and I don’t expect him to spend 86.1% of his playing time in the Slot.
But let’s suppose Mike McCarthy is 1) lying about Lamb’s usage in 2021, and 2) shows a lack of creativity in how he deploys him. Know, both would be shocking, right? I think he can still be the Cowboys. #1 WR in terms of FF production. But without the high value downfield targets (higher ADOT) he just doesn’t have the top 5 upside he has if he’s on the boundary.
The Cowboys used him a lot like the Rams line up Kupp. The great thing about having a big Slot is they’re not going to face press coverage very often. Lamb only saw press coverage on 7.1% of his routes, and almost 60% of the time he faced zone. Just like Kupp, he’s really good at beating Zone coverage.
His entire route tree was strong last year, there are no holes in his game. Where he really stands out though is on 9 routes - over 70% success rate on Reception Perception on Go routes, and that was with Andy freaking Dalton. Imagine what he’s capable of outside and with Dak.
I understand there’s projection in there, and most FF managers want to see it first. BUT IMO he should already be valued as a low end WR1 with top 3-5 upside. That’s league winner value.
I have more on Aiyuk but will save it for his thread.
Bro I’m with you on the production Cooper & Dak have had since the trade, it’s a special connection, different kinds of receivers but similar to Russ & Lockett.
I think Lamb can be the alpha on this team. I think it could happen this year. But in projecting that I’m expecting he and Gallup flip their snaps (731 VS a team leading 1004) and I don’t expect him to spend 86.1% of his playing time in the Slot.
But let’s suppose Mike McCarthy is 1) lying about Lamb’s usage in 2021, and 2) shows a lack of creativity in how he deploys him. Know, both would be shocking, right? I think he can still be the Cowboys. #1 WR in terms of FF production. But without the high value downfield targets (higher ADOT) he just doesn’t have the top 5 upside he has if he’s on the boundary.
The Cowboys used him a lot like the Rams line up Kupp. The great thing about having a big Slot is they’re not going to face press coverage very often. Lamb only saw press coverage on 7.1% of his routes, and almost 60% of the time he faced zone. Just like Kupp, he’s really good at beating Zone coverage.
His entire route tree was strong last year, there are no holes in his game. Where he really stands out though is on 9 routes - over 70% success rate on Reception Perception on Go routes, and that was with Andy freaking Dalton. Imagine what he’s capable of outside and with Dak.
I understand there’s projection in there, and most FF managers want to see it first. BUT IMO he should already be valued as a low end WR1 with top 3-5 upside. That’s league winner value.
I have more on Aiyuk but will save it for his thread.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Amari Cooper is Isaac Bruce to CeeDee Lamb's Torry Holt.
And Gallup is Az-Zahir Hakim.
And Gallup is Az-Zahir Hakim.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
He's probably going to be overdrafted for redraft. In dynasty this is your last chance to get him before he's ungettable.
Your tiers are too big to glean any info from them. I do the same and then force myself to widdle it down further and am always pleased I did. Give it a shot before your drafts
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I‘ve done that in years past. I find getting more granular doesn’t lead to higher hit rates. In actual YE FF points finishes, there’s usually a few elite, BIG gap, and then the next 6, 9, 15, whatever are within 1-2 PPG of each other.
I’m not much better at ordering them preseason than if I randomly drew them out of a hat. I mean, Cooper Kupp can be the same guy, same offense, and his TDs drop from 10 to 3,
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Pwingles
Footballguy
I mean, dominating worse corners in the slot while they get more attention is okay too haha. 111 tgts mostly from the slot, and mostly without dak seems like a solid floor. I really wouldnt be shocked if he finished as good or better for fantasy as jefferson/dk/ajb etc just because the offense is so dynamic and their defense is horrendous
They have invested heavily in the DL and only need a couple to pop to change things. I agree but I'm just saying because I appreciate investing in trenches.Pwingles said:
See I don't think most teams have three CBs that can handle Dallas' WRs, maybe so but one injury and most teams are in trouble. Cooper or Gallup against a 4th CB might be so much of a better matchup than CeeDee against a top CB.
No doubt that is overthinking, I'm aware. He needs to beat the top CBs though.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
FWIW I just got sniped and missed out on getting Lamb by one pick.
I got Amari Cooper instead. Could be a wash or even turn out in my favor but I still would have preferred Lamb.
I got Amari Cooper instead. Could be a wash or even turn out in my favor but I still would have preferred Lamb.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Slot corners aren’t the same animal as outside corners and sometimes they’re more adapt at covering guys like CeeDee. My point being- just because a Cb is playing the slot- that doesn’t mean he is inferior to the outside guys. It’s totally different.
To add to that, Ceedee’s most impressive trait is his ability to high point the ball- something that he will benefit from playing on the outside.
He’s going to be a monster this year and many to come.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He was good against man and zone, but only faced press coverage on 7.1% of his routes. But the most successful pattern on the route tree was 9, atypical for a Slot WR.
It’s absolutely not an issue he lined up mostly in the slot, he has the size and strength to be the X. Watch his tape from college or his rookie year, he’s the complete package. Looking forward to seeing him on the outside more to take advantage of his best traits with better QB play than his rookie season.
Also, obligatory McCarthy is an idiot for using him like Cooper Kupp. It worked bc the guy is terrific, but doesn’t come close to maximizing his talents.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Im high on Ceedee but lets not pretend he doesn't have some things going against him. He is on the slight side physically. He has come in a little bigger and stronger this year but lets see if that stays on his frame throughout the season. This may have been a product of just not being fluid because he was getting used to the game speed but at times he looked slow to react after the catch. He didn't break a ton of tackles.
FF speaking - just so many other mouths' to feed. Really will boil to which receiver will get the TD receptions?
Im still undecided on McCarthy so this is not defending him yet....
Last year, he was not a better receiver than Gallup or Cooper. It made perfect sense to play him in the slot.
This is only true for so many weeks into the season. Every team has some CB injury and this difference is gone
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ll add that using him exclusively out of the slot also potentially subjects him to more hits over the middle, which isn’t ideal for one of your top players, and moreover one of your long-term assets.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I wouldn't call McCarthy an idiot for using him that way last season. He was careful about putting too much on a rookie's plate, with no offseason to work with. Especially easy to do, when you have 2 very good WR's on the outside. I'd be shocked if Lamb was only a slot guy going forward.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I know but Cooper doesnt have that new car smell.Hot Sauce Guy said:
I do think Lamb will become their best WR but maybe not this season and Cooper should score a similar amount of points.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Lamb is in the NFL's COVID protocols, Todd Archer of ESPN.com reports.
EDGE Analysis
Also headed for the COVID-19 list are teammates Carlos Watkins, Malik Hooker and Israel Mukuamu. Per David Moore of The Dallas Morning News, the players won't be eligible to practice until they clear COVID protocols, but should be cleared before Week 1. The Cowboys open their regular-season slate Sept. 9 against the Buccaneers.
I guess Lamb doesn't "get it" yet. I am surprised, I had thought he was more mature.
EDGE Analysis
Also headed for the COVID-19 list are teammates Carlos Watkins, Malik Hooker and Israel Mukuamu. Per David Moore of The Dallas Morning News, the players won't be eligible to practice until they clear COVID protocols, but should be cleared before Week 1. The Cowboys open their regular-season slate Sept. 9 against the Buccaneers.
I guess Lamb doesn't "get it" yet. I am surprised, I had thought he was more mature.
Truebluey
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
His ADP is almost 3rd round now, #39 overall per Fantasy Pros...he's not making it to the 5th in competitive drafts.
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