WR DK Metcalf, PIT (1 Viewer)

[BoltBacker]

I say tear it down and trade him to Kansas City! 

I can see a path where that makes sense.

- KC franchise tags Orlando Brown in 2022.

- KC trades 1st+more for DK on his rookie deal.

- KC drafts OT on day 2 of the 2022 draft and develops him as a swing tackle to start in 2023.... there are some good OT's even in the mid-rounds in this draft.

- KC lets Orland Brown walk in 2023.

- KC uses Orlando Brown $ to give DK an extension in 2023.

IMO it's not that SEA is trying to shed talent for draft picks They just don't want to give Wilson a $45mil/season extension, DK a $25mil/season extension, and pay Wagener as the top MLB in the game..... to finish last in their division. Makes sense to me. The way Metcalf acted last year it makes it easier to part with him even if he is a young talent.

 

[Buckna]

It all depends on how Seattle feels about paying DK big money after this season. If they are not committed to that then trading him now makes a lot of sense.

While true they have over $40MM in dead cap now and over $50MM in cap space for 2022. Next year they are projected to currently have only 23 players under contract and $160MM in cap space! If they don’t want to spend it on DK, who the heck are they going to spend all that on? Not many FA’s worth the money are going to want to come play for a total tear down.

 

[zamboni]

The more I think of it, I think DK has the talent to still put up good stats - as long as Lock or one of the rookies isn't behind center, that is.

While Carroll will still probably try to be as run heavy as possible, it's hard to imagine the offense being able to do that in many expected negative game scripts.

 

[King of the Jungle]

While true they have over $40MM in dead cap now and over $50MM in cap space for 2022. Next year they are projected to currently have only 23 players under contract and $160MM in cap space! If they don’t want to spend it on DK, who the heck are they going to spend all that on? Not many FA’s worth the money are going to want to come play for a total tear down.

I think you making a big assumption that DK would want to stay in Seattle.

 

[BoltBacker]

While true they have over $40MM in dead cap now and over $50MM in cap space for 2022. Next year they are projected to currently have only 23 players under contract and $160MM in cap space! If they don’t want to spend it on DK, who the heck are they going to spend all that on? Not many FA’s worth the money are going to want to come play for a total tear down.

I think it's always a bad idea just to overpay a guy because you have the money to overpay him. That's how Nick Foles contracts happen.

Maybe I'm on an island here but I don't think DK is even the best receiver on his own team. And with Lockett you don't have to put up with the sideline tantrums.

 

[Buckna]

I think you making a big assumption that DK would want to stay in Seattle.

He may not after they moved Wilson. But we have no indications that’s the case at this time either. I just don’t agree they should trade him just to trade him and help out a rebuild. Young, potentially long-term stud WR’s are the kinds of players who you build around, not trade away for picks you’ll spend in the hopes you find another young, potentially stud WR.

If they make him one of the highest paid WR’s in football, would likely make up for having to suffer through a few rebuilding years. He’s young enough he’s be getting a 2nd big contract around 29ish years of age, perfect time to go to a contender then if that’s what he wants. We can debate if he’s worth the money or not (I am firmly on the side that he is) but when you have over $100MM to spend, it seems kind of pointless to pinch pennies on your few remaining young, marquee players. Plus todays top market contract will be middle of the road in a few years with the way the cap is projected to explode.

 

[King of the Jungle]

He may not after they moved Wilson. But we have no indications that’s the case at this time either. I just don’t agree they should trade him just to trade him and help out a rebuild. Young, potentially long-term stud WR’s are the kinds of players who you build around, not trade away for picks you’ll spend in the hopes you find another young, potentially stud WR.

If they make him one of the highest paid WR’s in football, would likely make up for having to suffer through a few rebuilding years. He’s young enough he’s be getting a 2nd big contract around 29ish years of age, perfect time to go to a contender then if that’s what he wants. We can debate if he’s worth the money or not (I am firmly on the side that he is) but when you have over $100MM to spend, it seems kind of pointless to pinch pennies on your few remaining young, marquee players. Plus todays top market contract will be middle of the road in a few years with the way the cap is projected to explode.

I think you and I may just disagree on how to rebuild a team. Seattle is devoid of talent. If Drew Lock is their plan at quarterback I would trade DK for picks and rebuild the trenches while continuing to search for a quarterback. If they somehow end up with Watson or are high on a guy from this draft I then would consider extending DK. Of course DK is probably waiting to see what the plan is as well before he burns his prime years with a marginal quarterback situation.

 

[Faust]

Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said, "We are going to do everything we can," to extend DK Metcalf before the 2022 season.

Carroll added, "He maybe will go down as one of the great draft picks we've ever had here." It's clear that Carroll and Seattle's management want Metcalf, who has been the subject of some speculative trade rumors, to be part of the team's future. Even though trading Metcalf could further the rebuilding project taking place in Seattle, he would be just as valuable as the alpha receiver for a young quarterback. The 24-year-old receiver is about to enter the final year of his rookie contract. No matter where he ends up, he will ultimately be one of the league's highest-paid receivers next year. Metcalf posted a 75/967/12 line while dealing with poor quarterback play far more often than usual last year. He topped 1,300 yards in 2020. Seattle would be wise to lock up Metcalf on a long-term deal before he increases his value even more with a rebound campaign in 2022.

SOURCE: Gregg Bell on Twitter

Mar 22, 2022, 10:45 PM ET

 

[rockaction]

Young, potentially long-term stud WR’s are the kinds of players who you build around, not trade away for picks you’ll spend in the hopes you find another young, potentially stud WR.

This is why, even though I'd personally like to see him traded, I don't think he will be. You lock guys like this up at a decent rate while you can, you don't flip him for picks hoping to find the next guy who likely won't be better than him -- someone who could be multitudes worse. 

 

[BoltBacker]

Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said, "We are going to do everything we can," to extend DK Metcalf before the 2022 season.

Speaking Wednesday, coach Pete Carroll said the Seahawks have "no intention" of trading Russell Wilson.

March 2nd, 2022

Less than a week before the trade.

That doesn't mean that he's lying now, just that he's either lied in the past or been cut out of the loop on roster decisions.

 

[King of the Jungle]

This is why, even though I'd personally like to see him traded, I don't think he will be. You lock guys like this up at a decent rate while you can, you don't flip him for picks hoping to find the next guy who likely won't be better than him -- someone who could be multitudes worse. 

DK has to agree to an extension as well. Not sure he is in love with the idea of trying to catch lawn darts from Lock for the foreseeable future.

 

[rockaction]

DK has to agree to an extension as well. Not sure he is in love with the idea of trying to catch lawn darts from Lock for the foreseeable future.

Absolutely. He may decide he doesn't want to be in Seattle, doesn't want to play for Pete Carroll -- any of that. I'm simply talking about the organization trading him this year. 

 

[massraider]

Offer him the deal now. He hasn't made any money yet in his career. Offer him the 50/60 mill guaranteed. He will know he's getting franchised next year, so that's two years he would have to stay healthy, and risk it, why? Because he doesn't like Drew Lock this season? 

That doesn't make sense. 

 

[King of the Jungle]

Time for the Chiefs to make an offer.

 

[Buckna]

Time for the Chiefs to make an offer.

I was going to say the Jets since they missed out on Tyreek

 

[rockaction]

I was going to say the Jets since they missed out on Tyreek

The Jets' offer for Tyreek was so mild. It was a 35, 38, 69. No first-rounders. KC bit, but Tyreek chose Miami. I don't think you'll be able to get DK for that price. He's likely more than that. 

 

[Buckna]

The Jets' offer for Tyreek was so mild. It was a 35, 38, 69. No first-rounders. KC bit, but Tyreek chose Miami. I don't think you'll be able to get DK for that price. He's likely more than that. 

Think I would rather have that than the 29, 50, two 4ths and a 6th to be honest. But I don’t put much value on late picks compared to real NFL franchises though.

 

[rockaction]

Think I would rather have that than the 29, 50, two 4ths and a 6th to be honest. But I don’t put much value on late picks compared to real NFL franchises though.

I think that it was reported they had about the same trade chart value. I'm with you. I fade later picks probably more than the franchises do, but people that close to the game always probably overestimate what they can turn those picks into. 

We get a more dispassionate view about where those fourth rounders lead. 

 

[barackdhouse]

I just got offered a 2023 2nd for Metcalf if you're wondering how my day is going.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I just got offered a 2023 2nd for Metcalf if you're wondering how my day is going.

 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think that it was reported they had about the same trade chart value. I'm with you. I fade later picks probably more than the franchises do, but people that close to the game always probably overestimate what they can turn those picks into. 

We get a more dispassionate view about where those fourth rounders lead. 

It’s apples to oranges though - generally speaking, you’re looking offense skill positions only. NFL franchises are mining for ST gold, OL, DL, LB, etc. 

So it’s not that they’re overestimating a 4th round player, it’s just that compared to your needs, NFL teams actually do get value out of those picks. 

 

[rockaction]

It’s apples to oranges though - generally speaking, you’re looking offense skill positions only. NFL franchises are mining for ST gold, OL, DL, LB, etc. 

So it’s not that they’re overestimating a 4th round player, it’s just that compared to your needs, NFL teams actually do get value out of those picks. 

I disagree. I'm not talking fantasy purposes, I'm talking NFL purposes.

Those positions they're drafting for (LB and special teams, and late OL and DE guys) are totally devalued positions on the field. Plus, the hit rate for the two marquee positions (OL and DE) is low at that point -- sticking around in the NFL can be measured, and those later in the draft have a much harder time sticking around. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I disagree. I'm not talking fantasy purposes, I'm talking NFL purposes.

Those positions they're drafting for (LB and special teams, and late OL and DE guys) are totally devalued positions on the field. Plus, the hit rate for the two marquee positions (OL and DE) is low at that point -- sticking around in the NFL can be measured, and those later in the draft have a much harder time sticking around. 

Oh, ok - sorry, I thought you were saying you didn’t value 4th-5th round FF picks that the NFL seems to covet.

I’ll say that it likely varies from team to team - Belichick sure seemed to do well accumulating those late picks every year during the Brady dynasty era. 

 

[rockaction]

Oh, ok - sorry, I thought you were saying you didn’t value 4th-5th round FF picks that the NFL seems to covet.

I’ll say that it likely varies from team to team - Belichick sure seemed to do well accumulating those late picks every year during the Brady dynasty era. 

You're right that I wasn't clear. My bad. I meant that "I fade" the later picks meaning that I value them lower for NFL purposes than the teams that have them value them. 

You're right about hitting on late-round picks by team. The good ones that are able to make SB runs seem to draft well late before those years. That and hit the free agent market actively. 

I tell ya, and this is an aside, I think free agency this year is so active because the Rams showed you can be free-agent heavy and win with it. For a long time, that's been an approach considered anathema to winning (see: The Eagles "Dream Team," etc.)

 

[rockaction]

I'm sorry about that. Back to DK. Some Chiefs fan Tweeted at him about the door being open in KC for him, and he texted back, "Close the door. It's cold at night there" with a laugh emoji.

So that might give us a clue to where his head's at. 

 

[menobrown]

Radio interview today, Schneider expresses shock at WR numbers going up, loves DK, side steps directly answering if extension imminent for DK.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/1507148609112145922

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Radio interview today, Schneider expresses shock at WR numbers going up, loves DK, side steps directly answering if extension imminent for DK.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/1507148609112145922

Could be the next guy on the trading block. What would Metcalf bring? 

 

[travdogg]

Could be the next guy on the trading block. What would Metcalf bring? 

I would expect something similar to Hill, especially considering he's only 24. 

 

[-OZ-]

You're right that I wasn't clear. My bad. I meant that "I fade" the later picks meaning that I value them lower for NFL purposes than the teams that have them value them. 

You're right about hitting on late-round picks by team. The good ones that are able to make SB runs seem to draft well late before those years. That and hit the free agent market actively. 

I tell ya, and this is an aside, I think free agency this year is so active because the Rams showed you can be free-agent heavy and win with it. For a long time, that's been an approach considered anathema to winning (see: The Eagles "Dream Team," etc.)

I’m not as sure that it’s great drafting in the late rounds by SB bound teams as it is player development. A bit of a circular argument here, and it doesn’t always work but the great teams get more out of players than others. Prime example - One of the best Patriots WRs was a UDFA signed, released, didn’t do much as a receiver (good special teams though) for a couple years with the dolphins, then 5 pro bowls. That’s not the drafting. 

 

[menobrown]

Could be the next guy on the trading block. What would Metcalf bring? 

I don't know but I think it's a situation that bears monitoring. 

My best guess is they don't intend to trade him now, that due to his age and low cap number he's easy to keep for 2022 and then they can tag and trade him if they don't want to extend him next off-season.

I think he'd draw back at least as much as Davante and Tyreek, at least. Because he's younger and he's cheap in 2022.  Only thing that will change if they hold off a year and decide to trade him is he won't be cheap.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Eagles 16 and 19 seems close. Jets 10 + a 23 2 probably works also. 

 

[Birdie048]

Radio interview today, Schneider expresses shock at WR numbers going up, loves DK, side steps directly answering if extension imminent for DK.

https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/1507148609112145922

ESPN today had some "NFL Expert" imply DK should not sign a long term $$ with Seattle.  They have no QB, are in full re-build and it traps him in a no win scenario.  He should be talking "he wants out" and get Seattle valuable compensation.  

Sorry don't recall his name...

 

[ghostguy123]

ESPN today had some "NFL Expert" imply DK should not sign a long term $$ with Seattle.  They have no QB, are in full re-build and it traps him in a no win scenario.  He should be talking "he wants out" and get Seattle valuable compensation.  

Sorry don't recall his name...

Does every talking head assume every player is a frontrunner??

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I could see them keeping DKM, and bringing in Mayfield.

Then if it looks wonky, maybe they move on next year.

They can always deal DK next year. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Does every talking head assume every player is a frontrunner??

What he posted made sense to me.  I can see DK Metcalf wanting out and Seattle may want to cash in as well.

 

[ghostguy123]

What he posted made sense to me.  I can see DK Metcalf wanting out and Seattle may want to cash in as well.

Yes, but every single one of these cases I hear "wants to get traded to a team with a chance at a Super Bowl".  I find that stupid.

I mean, all the players want to win, but that doesnt mean looking at rosters around the league and going full Lebron.  I know it's an amazing thing, but some guys just might want to play certain places that might not have the best super bowl roster.  

As for DK, yeah, I would imagine he DOES want out especially if his contract talks havent gone anywhere.  

It's also not terrible for Seattle to cash in like both Green Bay and KC did to get quality picks and not have to pay 140 million.  They should get a better return for DK than was given for Adams and Hill also.  

 

[menobrown]

I can see DK Metcalf wanting out and Seattle may want to cash in as well.

Maybe it's just posturing but I heard DK in an interview a few days ago and he was saying stuff like he was looking forward to stepping up as a team leader, it was his time to lead now, etc, etc. Not the kind of stuff coming out of the mouth of someone who wants out.

Again maybe it was just posturing and/or he will ultimately feel insulted by offers or lack of offers on extension he'll start changing his tune but he certainly is not giving off an unhappy camper vibe right now.

 

[travdogg]

Maybe it's just posturing but I heard DK in an interview a few days ago and he was saying stuff like he was looking forward to stepping up as a team leader, it was his time to lead now, etc, etc. Not the kind of stuff coming out of the mouth of someone who wants out.

Again maybe it was just posturing and/or he will ultimately feel insulted by offers or lack of offers on extension he'll start changing his tune but he certainly is not giving off an unhappy camper vibe right now.

Metcalf LOVES Pete Carroll.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Metcalf LOVES Pete Carroll.

Yup. His story about taking his shirt off pre-draft, and Carroll took his shirt off too, is a classic.

He also loves the Pacific Northwest, from what I gather. Some players aren’t about that big city lifestyle. DK is heavily involved in the Seattle community, does local TV spots, charitable events with kids, etc. it’s mostly Seahawks branded, but it sounds like a lot of them are his volunteering time rather than any kind of team obligation.

It wouldn’t shock me to see him dealt. It also wouldn’t shock me to see him stay, based on interviews I’ve heard. I think he likes it there.    

 

[BoltBacker]

Could be the next guy on the trading block. What would Metcalf bring? 

He bring a lot more value on his rookie contract than waiting until he's franchise tagged and likely will have deflated numbers in a 2022 season where SEA won't even be sniffing the playoffs. 

I don't understand the logic of waiting until he's on the franchise tag to deal him if you have very little hope of being a .500 team with him in 2022. 

If you want to give him Tyreek Hill $ in 2023 is the only reason you keep him. I'm just not a big fan of doing a rebuild starting with an expensive WR. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He bring a lot more value on his rookie contract than waiting until he's franchise tagged and likely will have deflated numbers in a 2022 season where SEA won't even be sniffing the playoffs. 

I don't understand the logic of waiting until he's on the franchise tag to deal him if you have very little hope of being a .500 team with him in 2022. 

If you want to give him Tyreek Hill $ in 2023 is the only reason you keep him. I'm just not a big fan of doing a rebuild starting with an expensive WR. 

He does put butts in seats & sell a lot of jerseys. Two things important to any team.

Ship DK somewhere and who’s the draw for this team? Lockett? Penny? Lock? 

 

[BoltBacker]

He does put butts in seats & sell a lot of jerseys. Two things important to any team.

Ship DK somewhere and who’s the draft for this team? Lockett? Penny? Lock? 

Putting butts in the seats may be a bigger priority now that they have to compete with having an NHL team playing 41 home games. Last place teams in their division are just going to sell seats to die-hard fans and "experience driven" fans. There are still a lot of both in SEA.

When you say "who's the draft" are you talking FF or the real NFL draft? Lockett seems like more of a leader, and he's at an absolute value given the rising state of the WR market so I would keep him if I were SEA UNLESS you get an offer that bowls you over. The Penny contract is an absolute mystery to me and seems like an obvious tell that SEA is just DESPERATE to go back to a run-heavy offense. He's played FOUR YEARS in the NFL and finally has a good MONTH in the NFL and they somehow give the guy nearly $6mil. Like most RB extensions this was completely baffling to me but at least it's only a one year deal. Lock? It's entirely possible Lock is just as good as any of the QB's available in this years draft so even if he does stink it just means they have higher picks to draft their guy next year.

Like most things the NFL is cyclical. If the entire division in front of you is just much, much more talented it's a fine time to rebuild in my estimation. Having lived in SEA I don't really think it's the type of town that will completely abandon the team if they finish last.... again. As we all know the franchises really run on the TV money anyway. The #1 jersey sale guy in 2023 probably isn't on the roster yet.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Putting butts in the seats may be a bigger priority now that they have to compete with having an NHL team playing 41 home games. Last place teams in their division are just going to sell seats to die-hard fans and "experience driven" fans. There are still a lot of both in SEA.

When you say "who's the draft" are you talking FF or the real NFL draft? Lockett seems like more of a leader, and he's at an absolute value given the rising state of the WR market so I would keep him if I were SEA UNLESS you get an offer that bowls you over. The Penny contract is an absolute mystery to me and seems like an obvious tell that SEA is just DESPERATE to go back to a run-heavy offense. He's played FOUR YEARS in the NFL and finally has a good MONTH in the NFL and they somehow give the guy nearly $6mil. Like most RB extensions this was completely baffling to me but at least it's only a one year deal. Lock? It's entirely possible Lock is just as good as any of the QB's available in this years draft so even if he does stink it just means they have higher picks to draft their guy next year.

Like most things the NFL is cyclical. If the entire division in front of you is just much, much more talented it's a fine time to rebuild in my estimation. Having lived in SEA I don't really think it's the type of town that will completely abandon the team if they finish last.... again. As we all know the franchises really run on the TV money anyway. The #1 jersey sale guy in 2023 probably isn't on the roster yet.

Typo - “who’s the draw” was the question. Sorry. 

Also I lived in Seattle for 3+ years.  Until the M’s got Ichiro and started winning I never saw an M’s jersey. And during that entire time I very rarely saw a Seahawks jersey - the occasional Largent. 

I’m not sure what the landscape is now, but I didn’t think folks were that into losing teams back then. 

 

[travdogg]

He does put butts in seats & sell a lot of jerseys. Two things important to any team.

Ship DK somewhere and who’s the draw for this team? Lockett? Penny? Lock? 

Jamal Adams obviously. 

He bring a lot more value on his rookie contract than waiting until he's franchise tagged and likely will have deflated numbers in a 2022 season where SEA won't even be sniffing the playoffs. 

I don't understand the logic of waiting until he's on the franchise tag to deal him if you have very little hope of being a .500 team with him in 2022. 

If you want to give him Tyreek Hill $ in 2023 is the only reason you keep him. I'm just not a big fan of doing a rebuild starting with an expensive WR. 

I agree with this. 

I kind of think Metcalf is a little overrated by the fantasy community. He's still not a very good route runner, and gets taken out of games a lot. He's a very good WR, but he's nowhere near as good as Adams or Hill, and while he is younger, he's gonna want to be paid close to what they are. 

The question basically becomes, what are Seattle's expectations as a team? I would doubt Pete Carroll would ever tank, so the idea of waiting for Young or Stroud feels like a bad idea, as they probably won't be bad enough for that with their current roster, unless the give up a ton to do so. 

I'll be curious if Seattle goes after Mayfield, or drafts a rookie this year. If they seriously just go in starting Drew Lock, then they will be probably have a top-6 pick, but that would really surprise me, and go against basically everything we know about Carroll. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jamal Adams obviously. 

 

 

[ghostguy123]

C'mon KC!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

C'mon KC!!

Jets are a better possibility IMO. Chiefs look like they are heading in a different direction.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jets are a better possibility IMO. Chiefs look like they are heading in a different direction.

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[travdogg]

Jets are a better possibility IMO. Chiefs look like they are heading in a different direction.

Chiefs need a WR more. Jets might actually be pretty set with Moore/Davis/Berrios. Might be a minority opinion, but I think Moore and Davis are both better than anybody KC has right now. 

Thinking really outside the box, the best fit for Metcalf in my opinion would be the Chargers. All their offseason moves seem to be pointing to trying to win shootouts, and maximize Herbert's rookie window. Adding Metcalf makes the deep ball even deadlier, and likely puts only 5-6 guys in the box to defend them, which allows Ekeler/Allen the space to be almost free 1st downs. Plus they currently have the 6th most cap space.

Along a similar line of thinking the Bengals would be interesting, 5th in cap space and would likely lead to a Boyd trade/release, but I don't know who plays inside in that scenario, Higgins maybe?

If they are actually committed to Winston, the Saints would make some sense. They are the masters of the, "we'll figure out how to afford it later" and Metcalf would be a perfect compliment to Thomas and Kamara. 

The last team I'll throw out is the Eagles. They have a need at WR, and have 3 1st round picks. However, I'm not sure if Jalen Hurts is the right QB to take advantage of Metcalf's skills. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Chiefs need a WR more. Jets might actually be pretty set with Moore/Davis/Berrios. Might be a minority opinion, but I think Moore and Davis are both better than anybody KC has right now. 

Thinking really outside the box, the best fit for Metcalf in my opinion would be the Chargers. All their offseason moves seem to be pointing to trying to win shootouts, and maximize Herbert's rookie window. Adding Metcalf makes the deep ball even deadlier, and likely puts only 5-6 guys in the box to defend them, which allows Ekeler/Allen the space to be almost free 1st downs. Plus they currently have the 6th most cap space.

Along a similar line of thinking the Bengals would be interesting, 5th in cap space and would likely lead to a Boyd trade/release, but I don't know who plays inside in that scenario, Higgins maybe?

If they are actually committed to Winston, the Saints would make some sense. They are the masters of the, "we'll figure out how to afford it later" and Metcalf would be a perfect compliment to Thomas and Kamara. 

The last team I'll throw out is the Eagles. They have a need at WR, and have 3 1st round picks. However, I'm not sure if Jalen Hurts is the right QB to take advantage of Metcalf's skills. 

Ju Ju raises his hand....