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WR DK Metcalf, PIT (1 Viewer)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree in the fact that I would not want to pay him like a number one, which will make it interesting to see what team is okay in doing so. Having said that, he does add a unique dimension to an offense and would be a great weapon for any team to acquire. But the money…no way I would make him a top 5 paid receiver. With the increased trajectory of the run game, I think teams are going to start to be less willing to pay non-elite receivers the money they are asking for. Receivers may have peaked in contract trajectories. Green Bay is a team that may be the exception. Tough division and they may be more apt to open their checkbook to compete with DET/MN/CHI.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Oh yeah. Just read he wants a new contract. He’ll probably want top dollar. No thanks.
Boston
Footballguy
A team like the Pats might be willing to do it...they are incredibly desperate at WR, have a ton of cap space and because their roster is so bad they don't have to worry about extending anyone to real $ until it's time to deal with Gonzalez and Maye
I feel like DK Metcalf with Harbaugh/Roman would not be a fit at all. Dallas can't afford him. Patriots can afford him but are picking 2 straight seasons in the top 4, hardly a contender.
Green Bay makes a lot of sense, maybe the Steelers?
One issue in my opinion, is that Davante Adams is a better WR than DK and doesn't cost draft capital. Chris Godwin (though possibly staying in TB) is as good as DK and doesn't require draft capital. Teams would likely pay more for Tee Higgins than DK in a trade, and its a pretty deep WR class, even if its not necessarily top heavy. If you are Seattle, are you trading DK for a 3rd rounder?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn’t call the Cowboys a win now team.
steelcityman
Footballguy
McConkey is the man in LAC, will Metcalf be okay playing 2nd fiddle? On a team that is supposed to run the ball 94.6% of the time, according to the "insiders"?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Chargers will have zero interest in acquiring DK (and then paying him) imo.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not worth $30M a year, IMO.
To those fantasizing about him in BUF, he’d probably be Kincaid II. Ton of hype, early round redraft pick, but has FF bust written all over it. BUF just doesn’t throw enough to one guy. I wouldn’t hate it - I just think it would be a better move in RL football than FF.
He was Geno’s top weapon & just flat disappeared many weeks after a semi-hot start.
He’s also prone to mental lapses, bad drops, and most recently emotional explosions on the field - I could see him wearing out his welcome to a new team in a hurry.
To those fantasizing about him in BUF, he’d probably be Kincaid II. Ton of hype, early round redraft pick, but has FF bust written all over it. BUF just doesn’t throw enough to one guy. I wouldn’t hate it - I just think it would be a better move in RL football than FF.
He was Geno’s top weapon & just flat disappeared many weeks after a semi-hot start.
He’s also prone to mental lapses, bad drops, and most recently emotional explosions on the field - I could see him wearing out his welcome to a new team in a hurry.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Or ever, for that matter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This. Nor would he cost $30M a year.
If I'm predicting which team I'd go with Chargers.
Apparently already tried to trade for him, timeline not provided but guess it was last year? Heard he spends a lot of his off-season in the LA area. The Chargers WR coach worked with him a few years as his WR coach and they apparently tight.
So Chargers have shown interest. Check.
It makes ideal sense for DK. Check.
Just got to work out contract and trade with Seattle.
Apparently already tried to trade for him, timeline not provided but guess it was last year? Heard he spends a lot of his off-season in the LA area. The Chargers WR coach worked with him a few years as his WR coach and they apparently tight.
So Chargers have shown interest. Check.
It makes ideal sense for DK. Check.
Just got to work out contract and trade with Seattle.
Fun fact, with Joey Bosa released, there is now nobody left from the San Diego Chargers. I wonder if SF will try and pair up the brothers, as they've been searching for a bookend opposite Nick for a few years now.
I'd hate to give a day 2 pick, and a 30 million contract to a #2 WR, and that's what he'd be behind McConkey, just like he was behind JSN (who McConkey is also much better than) last year. I just have a hard time seeing it, given the offense Harbaugh/Roman want to be. I get they showed interest last offseason, but that was before they knew they had a #1.
I'll predict Green Bay. Bigger need, clear #1 opening, and their front office has been getting more aggressive post-Rodgers.
Or ever, for that matter.
Dak is 30 games over .500. Pretty sure they think they are win now. They just freed up a ton of cap space. Seems like a possibility to me.
If you define being a #1 on targets then probably so but these are really different style of receivers and I would not view DK as a #2 nor would I have last year. I'd view him as really ideal complentary option, neither what I'd consdier a true #1 or alpha.
That would be my second choice.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t love their chances. Dak is a good QB.
Dallas has a lot of holes. Jerruh the GM has been extremely bad at waiting to pay his star players, and it has cost him way too much money to do so.
Never say never, and Dak + Lamb is a fantastic combo. I guess any team is 1 great offseason away, but getting to the SB means beating some very good NFC teams, and I have a hard time seeing DAL as better than DET or PHI right now, much less BAL, BUF, & KC.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As a Herbert shareholder I’d love to see it.
kutta
Footballguy
I’m now keeping finding $1M in unmarked bills in a bag on the sidewalk near my house in my prayers every night.
fatness
Footballguy
Has this been reported anywhere? Seems like a big deal.
I’m not sure Ladd would dominate targets opposite a Metcalf. Ladd is very good, even better than I anticipated he would be, but DK is quite a cut above Joshua Palmer and Quentin Johnston.
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Haven't heard anything about this in the local media.
And McConkey is a cut above JSN or prime Lockett. He's somehow still underrated. In Ladd's last 11 games, he had 11+ PPR points in all but 1 (a win over the Titans where Herbert had 18 passes) and was on a 103-1670-9 pace. He's right there with Nabers and Thomas in my eyes as a top 10 WR.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I think DK was immensely helpful to how effective JSN was last season. I'm not expecting JSN to be better without him.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’m keeping my DK. He’s my WR3, and performs that role well with the occasional splash game although he didn’t hit in the second half of the season.
Buffalo and others are intriguing, but Washington might not be done adding weapons for their second year QB and they have plenty of cap space.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
We're gonna have to get you a Bolts' #15 jersey
Boston
Footballguy
Seeing the Seahawks are looking for a #1 and #3 and DKM is reportedly looking for 30mil a year...will be interesting to see if anyone steps up...he's not coming cheap.
I don’t know man, Diggs did really well there for three seasons being the guy. And DK would instantly be by far the best WR they’ve had since him.
I think Buffalo not having a standout pass catcher in the last few seasons has been more personnel-related than scheme.
Edit: *four seasons, pardon me.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
No way anyone will pay that imo. With DK requesting the trade and needing a contract, the leverage sits with the buyer.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...also, the teams that might be willing to overpay with the contract (i.e. my Pats) are not going to give up a high-end 1st round pick...a contender might be willing to give up a lower #1 but they're probably not going to give him a contract like that as well...I could see him staying put in Seattle unless there is a bridge burned we don't know about.
kutta
Footballguy
I disagree.
I’ve said from day one that I think JSN could be a super star. I think he’s going to show it now.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I just don't really understand why you think he was being held back by DK.
JSN had a notably bigger target share last season already.
JSN had a notably bigger target share last season already.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If anything Metcalf helps JSN.
A 1st a 3rd, and a huge contract? This is DK Metcalf we're talking about here, not Justin Jefferson. 0% chance that happens. This is Seattle posturing and saying "well, we tried to honor your trade request, but nobody offered anything" its not that dissimilar from what the Rams did with Stafford.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
It certainly became clear in the 2nd half of 2024 that JSN had become the WR1 in that offense; in 4 of the final 9 games he had 11 or more targets while DK never exceeded 9.
My interpretation of DK as a talent has been much more on the physical freak side. And he's still that, but he was also brought on board when RW was the QB. If you look at Geno's splits from 2023/2024, his completion rate jumped 10% points almost when he got the ball out of his hand in fewer than 2.5 seconds.
My guess is that DK can read the tea leaves here and understand that the offense isn't as much of a fit for him as it used to be. And for SEA, they probably spend a Day 2 pick on WR (if not 1st rounder) that maps to helping Geno maximize getting the ball out of his hands.
My interpretation of DK as a talent has been much more on the physical freak side. And he's still that, but he was also brought on board when RW was the QB. If you look at Geno's splits from 2023/2024, his completion rate jumped 10% points almost when he got the ball out of his hand in fewer than 2.5 seconds.
My guess is that DK can read the tea leaves here and understand that the offense isn't as much of a fit for him as it used to be. And for SEA, they probably spend a Day 2 pick on WR (if not 1st rounder) that maps to helping Geno maximize getting the ball out of his hands.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
27 yrs old and in his prime right now
1303-967-1048-1114-992 and 41 TDs over the last 5 seasons with Geno Smith as his QB and what we now know was a fading Russ Wilson
He deserves a big contract, he should try and go elsewhere and pair up with a Top 10-15 QB, something he really hasn't been a part of lately.
For some reason, maybe it's his physique but a lot of folks seem to not like this guy or view him as a No 1 option at WR
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Always reminded of a line from the movie Marriage Story on trade negotiations and terms from the great Ray Liotta.
"If we start from a place of reasonable and she starts from a place of crazy, when we settle...we'll be somewhere between reasonable and crazy. Which is still crazy'
People are making to much of this IMO. Seattle has mentioned multiple times already his performance and targets fell off after he got banged up and I'd be Capt. Obvious for stating they were not thrilled with their OC hire last year and I think part of that was not properly utilizing DK in the second half, banged up or not.
Here is one quote from Schneider:
“From my understanding, going into the Atlanta game, I think he was tops in the league in targets,” Macdonald said. “I’m not sure where the numbers were, but it’s that trend of focus we’ve got on the offense that we’re shooting for, and then to Jaxon’s credit — and DK not being 100 percent throughout the second, third quarter of the season — it speaks to Jaxon’s development. But we want to get the ball to DK, we want to make sure that he’s a focal point of our offense for sure.”
Boston
Footballguy
The issue (I believe) is it is not just a big contract but a big contract and at least right now a #1 and a #3…if he was on the open market that would be a totally different story…I think he is a really good player but like Travdogg said we are not talking about JJ and I think there will be a limited market because of the total cost to acquire him.
Obviously shooting high but of course relative to where that #1 pick falls and if it's a current pick or future.
I remember doing a breakdown last year on Tyreek, Davante and AJB's trade comp back when people thought Justin Jefferson could be traded for pick 1.1.
A lot of this is open to interpretation of which trade value chart you use and if how you value future picks but using the Rich Hill trade chart and devaluing picks a round less in future years I came up with Davante(to the Raiderse) and Tyreek getting back a pick close to range of 10 overall and AJB getting back a return along the lines of a mid teens. Contract, age and ability all played into those trades.
He's likely not valued on par with how any of those players were valued when they were traded but if we are talking end of round one and/or future one it could work out to being as low as 60% or so on the trade chart as what those players got back.
Still shooting high, I sure don't want my Steelers to it, but in that context not just bat poop crazy of a request.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
DK started missing game though in Week 8...thru 7 games, Geno was leading the league in pass attempts to the tune of 40/game - 3 more than #2. My guess is even with the new OC, that's not an area MacDonald wants to approach again.
It's not to say DK can't/won't be productive again...he's still young. But the final 8 games which saw SEA go 6-2, Geno was down to 29.5 and I'm guessing that with a QB of his caliber, the idea is to make better use of 30 than airing it out at 40. And with JSN just having turned 23...the writing is on the wall as to where SEA's WR investment would/will be going to.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
LOL 1st and a 3rd for DK, ya not a chance. Maybe a 3rd at best.
Seattle is either asking for the moon on purpose to tell DK they tried, or knowing they'll never get that but might as well try then settle for a 3rd anyways.
Seattle is either asking for the moon on purpose to tell DK they tried, or knowing they'll never get that but might as well try then settle for a 3rd anyways.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1st and 3rd is too much IMHO
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Brandon Cooks, Percy Harvin, Deon Branch, and Roy Williams were all WRs in the past moved for 1st round picks in similar types of packages. And ironically, Harvin, Cooks, and Williams deals all included giving a 1st and 3rd for them. I don't feel like picking nits over comping these players to one another; but I think we can all agree we aren't looking at a history where only top 5 future HoF WRs are getting moved for a 1st round pick. NFL isn't our fantasy leagues.
I'm with Meno, it doesn't seem THAT crazy to me. Highly doubt it's where any deal would settle, but more than likely its the 3rd round pick (or another mid to late pick coming back) that would change in negotiations, not the 1st.
I'm with Meno, it doesn't seem THAT crazy to me. Highly doubt it's where any deal would settle, but more than likely its the 3rd round pick (or another mid to late pick coming back) that would change in negotiations, not the 1st.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Did all of those players immediately need a new contracts? That is just as big of an issue as the draft capital imo.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Honestly don't know for all of them; Brandin Cooks definitely did though. The Rams signed him to 5 yr $80mil with $50mil guaranteed in addition to paying a 1st and a 6th. Can't quickly find where exactly that fell in WR contracts at the time but it feels very high; and I did find it had him with the 2nd highest cap hit for a WR behind only AB in 2019, and projected to have the highest cap hit for a WR in 2020. It feels like often these trades do occur where a player is coming off a rookie contract, or looking for an extension.
Ok, went back and looked up Harvin too. Yes, another trade plus new contract. Seattle gave up a 1st, a 3rd, a 7th, and signed him 6 years at $64mil and that was back in 2013.
Believe me I'm not arguing these trades, or what Seattle is asking for, are good trades for anyone haha. Just saying it doesn't seem that wild for the NFL and the cost of acquiring a top WR. DK isn't your typical WR1, but his numbers would indicate he's capable of being one. Not one we'd maybe consider elite for fantasy; but definitely a top 15-20 WR in the league (excluding rookies/sophmores on rookie contracts since we are talking about it from a money and availability stand point.)
I don't recall the contract situations for the group that pinkstapler is referencing here and will leave that specfic answer to him but the group I referenced earlier which included Davante, Tyreek and AJB all immediatley signed extensions after they were traded.
Marquise Brown, who went for trade value chart as a late round one and is another example of why Seattles ask is not as crazy as it sounds, is the only major WR trade involving first round type of draft capital I can recall where they did not sign him to an extension, but they at least had him on the books for 2 years.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
DKM gives me David Boston vibes.
