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WR Donnie Avery STL (1 Viewer)

seems like decades ago that Holt and Bruce were the best WR combo in the league for St Louis..... how things change.

 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile.

First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now.

I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.

 
Really? I started LRob last year for 3 weeks and he did just fine for me considering the price I paid.
You started LRob week 1 last season? Are we talking redraft? My typical trio coming out of a redraft is something like Moss/Wayne/St Smith...I just cannot imagine having to start Robinson week 1 except in dynasty and even then I would be worried about my roster...definitely wouldn't be a contender in that league anytime soon.
 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile. First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now. I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
It is a given that the Rams have no defense so they will be playing from behind alot. After watching the last pre season game I would be willing to bet there will be at least 1 maybe 2 Stl receivers who are worthy of wr 3 /te starts. I think Robinson will make a fine wr 3 this year with Bradford at qb.
 
Really? I started LRob last year for 3 weeks and he did just fine for me considering the price I paid.
You started LRob week 1 last season? Are we talking redraft? My typical trio coming out of a redraft is something like Moss/Wayne/St Smith...I just cannot imagine having to start Robinson week 1 except in dynasty and even then I would be worried about my roster...definitely wouldn't be a contender in that league anytime soon.
Not everybody goes wr/wr in rds 1 and 2 like you did. Teams that go rb/rb will need a #3 wr like Robinson or Amondole, especially as injuries start occuring throughout the season.
 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile. First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now. I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
It is a given that the Rams have no defense so they will be playing from behind alot. After watching the last pre season game I would be willing to bet there will be at least 1 maybe 2 Stl receivers who are worthy of wr 3 /te starts. I think Robinson will make a fine wr 3 this year with Bradford at qb.
Define WR3 for me. Because if you think wheeling out a WR that is hitting top30 once every other week is a good WR3, we are not speaking the same language. In every league you are going to see several teams with fairly loaded WRs from the 1 to 3 spots. Typical trio in most league would look something like Jennings/Boldin/TO...where does RObinson or any St Louis WR stack up to that? I'm not trying to be a hardass but people have a very odd perception sometimes of what is good and what wins leagues. I understand not everyone is going to go WR/WR in the 1st/2n, but most teams by the 5th or 6th round have at least 2 WRs on their rosters. FBG is projecting Robinson at about the low 40s with roughly 60/720/5...that works out most weeks to 3 or 4 receptions, less than 50 yds and maybe a TD every 4th game...you are not making any headway rolling that out each week. Maybe based on match up and when St Louis is playing a weaker team, added to that you hav e abye week issue, sure I can see it but to envision in a must start 3 league that you roll one of them out there each week and say "I'm good"...I just don't see that right now. Too many times you are going to get drilled at the WR spots with those type of numbers. I can find those numbers on the WW to be honest.
 
Really? I started LRob last year for 3 weeks and he did just fine for me considering the price I paid.
You started LRob week 1 last season? Are we talking redraft? My typical trio coming out of a redraft is something like Moss/Wayne/St Smith...I just cannot imagine having to start Robinson week 1 except in dynasty and even then I would be worried about my roster...definitely wouldn't be a contender in that league anytime soon.
Yup, liked what I saw in the preseason and felt good about his prospects to make him my WR#3 behind Randy and Roddy. Obviously a lot of rounds were drafted between those 2 and LRob. He had 2 good games and got killed in the third game. I don't beleieve in paying heavy for a #3 WR, you should be able to grab those types off the WW early in the season after a round of injuries.
 
Heres a team who should be trading for vincent jackson.
Not sure I'd go out and spend millions on a guy with questionable dedication for the chance of elevating my team from 4 wins to 5.
Team has a chance to surprise if Bradford had someone who didnt suck to throw to. SJax is a stud and they have some good pieces on the defense. Wr is one of those positions that i would be very hesistant drafting.
Big difference between this and having a good or even competent defense.
 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile. First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now. I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
Not to mention Bradford has never had a go to guy in high school or college. He has always shared the wealth.
 
Brandon Gibson.That is the one you want.
Winner winner chicken dinner. I have a feeling this is the guy that will blossom as Bradford's go to guy.
I picked him up last year when he got traded to the rams and had that big 5 catch game or whatever it was... but I heard absolutely nothing encouraging over the offseason/TC. I'm not even sure he took part in most of the activities, seems he was always nursing a hammy or something. I'm trying to figure out the Stl TE situation though. As some Rams homer said:" Even with last year’s “drops” by Fells and McMichael the TE production was 63 rec, 699 yards (for 11.1 average) and 4 TD’s. That equates to 25% of our total passing yards, 33% of our total passing TD’s on only 20% of our completions."Is the bulk of that going to go to Fells, Uh-Oh or Ono... bun?
 
Looks like it's official -- Avery out for the season with a torn knee ligament according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Rams Report: Avery out for season

By BILL COATS | Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:13 pm

The St. Louis Rams have lost wide receiver Donnie Avery for the season. Avery suffered a torn knee ligament in Thursday night's 36-35 preseason victory at New England and will be placed on injured reserve.

Avery was the Rams' second-round pick in the 2008 draft. In 28 games over two seasons, he has 100 catches for 1,263 yards and eight touchdowns.

Posted in Rams-report on Friday, August 27, 2010 4:13 pm | Tags: Bill Coats, St. Louis Rams, Donnie Avery
Link: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/pr...17a4a78c22.html
 
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Robinson is #1. Gibson #2. Amendola is the slot WR. Amendola may catch a lot of passes as well as the TEs

 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile. First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now. I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
It is a given that the Rams have no defense so they will be playing from behind alot. After watching the last pre season game I would be willing to bet there will be at least 1 maybe 2 Stl receivers who are worthy of wr 3 /te starts. I think Robinson will make a fine wr 3 this year with Bradford at qb.
Define WR3 for me. Because if you think wheeling out a WR that is hitting top30 once every other week is a good WR3, we are not speaking the same language. In every league you are going to see several teams with fairly loaded WRs from the 1 to 3 spots. Typical trio in most league would look something like Jennings/Boldin/TO...where does RObinson or any St Louis WR stack up to that? I'm not trying to be a hardass but people have a very odd perception sometimes of what is good and what wins leagues. I understand not everyone is going to go WR/WR in the 1st/2n, but most teams by the 5th or 6th round have at least 2 WRs on their rosters. FBG is projecting Robinson at about the low 40s with roughly 60/720/5...that works out most weeks to 3 or 4 receptions, less than 50 yds and maybe a TD every 4th game...you are not making any headway rolling that out each week. Maybe based on match up and when St Louis is playing a weaker team, added to that you hav e abye week issue, sure I can see it but to envision in a must start 3 league that you roll one of them out there each week and say "I'm good"...I just don't see that right now. Too many times you are going to get drilled at the WR spots with those type of numbers. I can find those numbers on the WW to be honest.
Robinson was injured week 3, but until then (weeks 1 & 2) he was ranked 13th in PPR scoring amongst WR's..
 
Looks like it's official -- Avery out for the season with a torn knee ligament according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Rams Report: Avery out for season

By BILL COATS | Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:13 pm

The St. Louis Rams have lost wide receiver Donnie Avery for the season. Avery suffered a torn knee ligament in Thursday night's 36-35 preseason victory at New England and will be placed on injured reserve.

Avery was the Rams' second-round pick in the 2008 draft. In 28 games over two seasons, he has 100 catches for 1,263 yards and eight touchdowns.

Posted in Rams-report on Friday, August 27, 2010 4:13 pm | Tags: Bill Coats, St. Louis Rams, Donnie Avery
Link: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/pr...17a4a78c22.html
Does anyone know if he has actually been placed on IR yet? All I can find is links like this saying "he will be placed on IR." I can't IR a player in my league until he is placed on IR. Have my draft tomorrow. Would like to take him and put him on IR during my draft to free up a roster spot and so I can keep him on my team as a flyer for 2011.
 
Looks like it's official -- Avery out for the season with a torn knee ligament according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Rams Report: Avery out for season

By BILL COATS | Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:13 pm

The St. Louis Rams have lost wide receiver Donnie Avery for the season. Avery suffered a torn knee ligament in Thursday night's 36-35 preseason victory at New England and will be placed on injured reserve.

Avery was the Rams' second-round pick in the 2008 draft. In 28 games over two seasons, he has 100 catches for 1,263 yards and eight touchdowns.

Posted in Rams-report on Friday, August 27, 2010 4:13 pm | Tags: Bill Coats, St. Louis Rams, Donnie Avery
Link: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/pr...17a4a78c22.html
Does anyone know if he has actually been placed on IR yet? All I can find is links like this saying "he will be placed on IR." I can't IR a player in my league until he is placed on IR. Have my draft tomorrow. Would like to take him and put him on IR during my draft to free up a roster spot and so I can keep him on my team as a flyer for 2011.
I believe MFL has him on IR.

 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile.

First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now.

I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
It is a given that the Rams have no defense so they will be playing from behind alot. After watching the last pre season game I would be willing to bet there will be at least 1 maybe 2 Stl receivers who are worthy of wr 3 /te starts. I think Robinson will make a fine wr 3 this year with Bradford at qb.
Define WR3 for me. Wr3: Someone I would feel confortable with starting each week as my 3rd wr.

Because if you think wheeling out a WR that is hitting top30 once every other week is a good WR3, we are not speaking the same language.

Define hitting top 30 every other week? I don't think I have ever seen a wr 3 ever too awfully consistent. I expect a wr 3 to end up ranked between 25-36 at the end of the year. Hopefully mine is on the lower end of that list.

In every league you are going to see several teams with fairly loaded WRs from the 1 to 3 spots. Typical trio in most league would look something like Jennings/Boldin/TO...where does RObinson or any St Louis WR stack up to that?



IF a typical 3rd WR is TO who has an adp of 74 right now (late 6th.early 7th) then there is likely some serious slippage at other positions to be had. I would be thrilled if every team but me took 3 wr's in the first 6 rounds while I scooped uo Robinson late and got wr3 nubers out of him. (TO is going even higher than that in a lot of serious drafts after the way he was used in pre season btw).

I'm not trying to be a hardass but people have a very odd perception sometimes of what is good and what wins leagues.

It is the little things that win leagues. Like drafting a player very late who outperforms his draft position by a decent number. I think Robinson is one of those guys this year. We shall see.

I understand not everyone is going to go WR/WR in the 1st/2n, but most teams by the 5th or 6th round have at least 2 WRs on their rosters.

Yes they do, but not usually 3. To bring up to as a 3rd is a red herring and not even remotely similar to taking Robinson late as a 4th or 5th wr and getting wr 3 production from him (which is where he is being projected).

FBG is projecting Robinson at about the low 40s with roughly 60/720/5...that works out most weeks to 3 or 4 receptions, less than 50 yds and maybe a TD every 4th game...you are not making any headway rolling that out each week.

FBG is no longer projecting him as a low 40's wr. The bump , I'm sure, was probably caused by Avery's injury. That was the whole point of this thread. Using old projections when there has been an obvious change since then is obviously what I hope others will do so I can scoop Robinson late.

Maybe based on match up and when St Louis is playing a weaker team, added to that you hav e abye week issue, sure I can see it but to envision in a must start 3 league that you roll one of them out there each week and say "I'm good"...I just don't see that right now.

I think the team who drafts Robinson as a 4th or 5th wr will have the luxury of deciding that. The point you are missing is that he should not be drafted as a wr3 (or where a normal wr3 should be drafted) If I had to spend a TO like pick on him it would be a completely different story.

Too many times you are going to get drilled at the WR spots with those type of numbers. I can find those numbers on the WW to be honest.

Not unless you have a very VERY short bench and start only 2 wr's (unless you are in a free league with a bunch of guppies,then all bets are off).
Answers to your questions/comments above. BTW Robinson went as a wr 5 in the 15th round in my draft last night, 2 spots before I was going to draft him (ouch I got greedy) He was drafted as a 5th WR .
 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile.

First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now.

I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
It is a given that the Rams have no defense so they will be playing from behind alot. After watching the last pre season game I would be willing to bet there will be at least 1 maybe 2 Stl receivers who are worthy of wr 3 /te starts. I think Robinson will make a fine wr 3 this year with Bradford at qb.
Define WR3 for me. Wr3: Someone I would feel confortable with starting each week as my 3rd wr.

Because if you think wheeling out a WR that is hitting top30 once every other week is a good WR3, we are not speaking the same language.

Define hitting top 30 every other week? I don't think I have ever seen a wr 3 ever too awfully consistent. I expect a wr 3 to end up ranked between 25-36 at the end of the year. Hopefully mine is on the lower end of that list.

In every league you are going to see several teams with fairly loaded WRs from the 1 to 3 spots. Typical trio in most league would look something like Jennings/Boldin/TO...where does RObinson or any St Louis WR stack up to that?



IF a typical 3rd WR is TO who has an adp of 74 right now (late 6th.early 7th) then there is likely some serious slippage at other positions to be had. I would be thrilled if every team but me took 3 wr's in the first 6 rounds while I scooped uo Robinson late and got wr3 nubers out of him. (TO is going even higher than that in a lot of serious drafts after the way he was used in pre season btw).

I'm not trying to be a hardass but people have a very odd perception sometimes of what is good and what wins leagues.

It is the little things that win leagues. Like drafting a player very late who outperforms his draft position by a decent number. I think Robinson is one of those guys this year. We shall see.

I understand not everyone is going to go WR/WR in the 1st/2n, but most teams by the 5th or 6th round have at least 2 WRs on their rosters.

Yes they do, but not usually 3. To bring up to as a 3rd is a red herring and not even remotely similar to taking Robinson late as a 4th or 5th wr and getting wr 3 production from him (which is where he is being projected).

FBG is projecting Robinson at about the low 40s with roughly 60/720/5...that works out most weeks to 3 or 4 receptions, less than 50 yds and maybe a TD every 4th game...you are not making any headway rolling that out each week.

FBG is no longer projecting him as a low 40's wr. The bump , I'm sure, was probably caused by Avery's injury. That was the whole point of this thread. Using old projections when there has been an obvious change since then is obviously what I hope others will do so I can scoop Robinson late.

Maybe based on match up and when St Louis is playing a weaker team, added to that you hav e abye week issue, sure I can see it but to envision in a must start 3 league that you roll one of them out there each week and say "I'm good"...I just don't see that right now.

I think the team who drafts Robinson as a 4th or 5th wr will have the luxury of deciding that. The point you are missing is that he should not be drafted as a wr3 (or where a normal wr3 should be drafted) If I had to spend a TO like pick on him it would be a completely different story.

Too many times you are going to get drilled at the WR spots with those type of numbers. I can find those numbers on the WW to be honest.

Not unless you have a very VERY short bench and start only 2 wr's (unless you are in a free league with a bunch of guppies,then all bets are off).
Answers to your questions/comments above. BTW Robinson went as a wr 5 in the 15th round in my draft last night, 2 spots before I was going to draft him (ouch I got greedy) He was drafted as a 5th WR .
I appreciate your response
 
Sorry to rain on the parade but you really should temper too much enthusiasm for the WR1 in St Louis now that Avery is likely out for awhile.

First of all, no defense is going to respect any of these WRs too much and the vast majority of them will be covered one on one without much thouhgt by defensive coordinators. None of them are going to say "We gotta shut down Marty Gilayrd this week." There simply is not enough talent in this WR stable even before the Avery injury, now it is really thin. Minnesota was bringing in WRs left and right and I would say Harvin/Berrian is far better than anything St Louis has right now.

I would bet not one St Louis WR breaks past the 750-800 yd range and perhaps a lot less than that. What are folks seeing here? I certainly would not want to have to start a St Louis WR each week. Best ball is fine to ponder but if you have to start Laurent Robinson or Keenan Burton in a redraft league every week, you are in trouble.
It is a given that the Rams have no defense so they will be playing from behind alot. After watching the last pre season game I would be willing to bet there will be at least 1 maybe 2 Stl receivers who are worthy of wr 3 /te starts. I think Robinson will make a fine wr 3 this year with Bradford at qb.
Define WR3 for me. Wr3: Someone I would feel confortable with starting each week as my 3rd wr.

Because if you think wheeling out a WR that is hitting top30 once every other week is a good WR3, we are not speaking the same language.

Define hitting top 30 every other week? I don't think I have ever seen a wr 3 ever too awfully consistent. I expect a wr 3 to end up ranked between 25-36 at the end of the year. Hopefully mine is on the lower end of that list.

In every league you are going to see several teams with fairly loaded WRs from the 1 to 3 spots. Typical trio in most league would look something like Jennings/Boldin/TO...where does RObinson or any St Louis WR stack up to that?



IF a typical 3rd WR is TO who has an adp of 74 right now (late 6th.early 7th) then there is likely some serious slippage at other positions to be had. I would be thrilled if every team but me took 3 wr's in the first 6 rounds while I scooped uo Robinson late and got wr3 nubers out of him. (TO is going even higher than that in a lot of serious drafts after the way he was used in pre season btw).

I'm not trying to be a hardass but people have a very odd perception sometimes of what is good and what wins leagues.

It is the little things that win leagues. Like drafting a player very late who outperforms his draft position by a decent number. I think Robinson is one of those guys this year. We shall see.

I understand not everyone is going to go WR/WR in the 1st/2n, but most teams by the 5th or 6th round have at least 2 WRs on their rosters.

Yes they do, but not usually 3. To bring up to as a 3rd is a red herring and not even remotely similar to taking Robinson late as a 4th or 5th wr and getting wr 3 production from him (which is where he is being projected).

FBG is projecting Robinson at about the low 40s with roughly 60/720/5...that works out most weeks to 3 or 4 receptions, less than 50 yds and maybe a TD every 4th game...you are not making any headway rolling that out each week.

FBG is no longer projecting him as a low 40's wr. The bump , I'm sure, was probably caused by Avery's injury. That was the whole point of this thread. Using old projections when there has been an obvious change since then is obviously what I hope others will do so I can scoop Robinson late.

Maybe based on match up and when St Louis is playing a weaker team, added to that you hav e abye week issue, sure I can see it but to envision in a must start 3 league that you roll one of them out there each week and say "I'm good"...I just don't see that right now.

I think the team who drafts Robinson as a 4th or 5th wr will have the luxury of deciding that. The point you are missing is that he should not be drafted as a wr3 (or where a normal wr3 should be drafted) If I had to spend a TO like pick on him it would be a completely different story.

Too many times you are going to get drilled at the WR spots with those type of numbers. I can find those numbers on the WW to be honest.

Not unless you have a very VERY short bench and start only 2 wr's (unless you are in a free league with a bunch of guppies,then all bets are off).
Answers to your questions/comments above. BTW Robinson went as a wr 5 in the 15th round in my draft last night, 2 spots before I was going to draft him (ouch I got greedy) He was drafted as a 5th WR .
I appreciate your response
No Problem. I don't post much but appreciate the work you do in the shark pool. We just disagree on this one. He may be a flop who knows, but for the price I think he is well worth the investment.
 

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