WR Michael Crabtree, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[Freelove]

This guy has to be locker room poison. All that talent and no one will touch him?

Talent? He was below average before the injury, now he's just a backup level player. Amazing how he was such a high draft pick.

The guy was the top WR prospect of his draft class and touted as a top 5 overall pick by most draft evaluators. It's amazing he fell as far as he did.

One of the worst misses this side of Trent Richardson. I have no idea what the scouts were looking at. Not much for ball skils, slow, attitude problems, prima donna. I never got the love.

Very easy to say that 6 years later but at the time he was one of the better prospects in years aside from Calvin.

Yeah, "miss" is just completely wrong. Crabtree did nothing but improve and improve until by the second half of the 2012 season, he was in the discussion for best receivers in the game. That all got scuttled by his second career-wrecking injury.

I don't think people remember how amazing he was becoming, nor do they give enough credit to him for doing it with Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick as his QB's -- look what's happened to the passing games of those guys since Crabtree blew the Achilles.

Achilles injuries seem particularly difficult for some guys to come back all the way from, and it's looking increasingly like Crabtree will be among them. But to call him a miss in draft terms is just completely upside down. He was living up to the hype and then some.

 

[CalBear]

This guy has to be locker room poison. All that talent and no one will touch him?

Talent? He was below average before the injury, now he's just a backup level player. Amazing how he was such a high draft pick.

The guy was the top WR prospect of his draft class and touted as a top 5 overall pick by most draft evaluators. It's amazing he fell as far as he did.

One of the worst misses this side of Trent Richardson. I have no idea what the scouts were looking at. Not much for ball skils, slow, attitude problems, prima donna. I never got the love.

Is this just lazy trolling? No rational person could believe this. Waldman has touted Crabtree as the pinnacle for route running and his great hands were well known. No one ever claimed he was a speedster but the route running and hands alone made him easily a 1st round pick. As Tool mentioned, Crabtree's path was unraveled by injuries and bad QB play. It remains to be seen if he can overcome the achilles injury or if that will do him in. Selecting the right team and being a model citizen in 2015 will also be critical. The odds are stacked against him at this point so it is easy to pile on, but his 2012 season (primarily the second half w/o Alex Smith) is enough to shut down this kind of trolling.

I saw Crabtree run awful, lazy routes all year in 2014. Some of Kaepernick's struggles were because Crabtree was out of position. Maybe he used to be better but it doesn't look like a strength right now.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Free agent WR Michael Crabtree will visit the Raiders next week.

The Raiders are in need of receiver help, but they already seem to have a couple slow-footed possession receivers like Crabtree in James Jones and Rod Streater. Oakland needs a bonafide No. 1 wideout with some speed to stretch the field since it doesn't seem sold on restricted free agent Andre Holmes. Crabtree, initially hoping for $9-10 million annually, should come cheap for $2-3 million.

Related: Raiders

Source: Rand Getlin on Twitter

Apr 3 - 10:30 AM

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Free agent WR Michael Crabtree will visit the Raiders next week.

The Raiders are in need of receiver help, but they already seem to have a couple slow-footed possession receivers like Crabtree in James Jones and Rod Streater. Oakland needs a bonafide No. 1 wideout with some speed to stretch the field since it doesn't seem sold on restricted free agent Andre Holmes. Crabtree, initially hoping for $9-10 million annually, should come cheap for $2-3 million.

Related: Raiders

Source: Rand Getlin on Twitter

Apr 3 - 10:30 AM

SMH.

 

[identikit]

At least he won't have to relocate.

 

[Shutout]

Boy, coming out and having that foot injury, then really looking like he was going to be the real deal (I remember people labeling him as a top 10-15 dynasty WR at that point), and now this collapse.

Someone above said he was a bust/bad take and they never saw what scouts saw in him but, IMO, he was the real deal. He could have easily been one of the next great WRS.

But I think he went the route of Hakeem Nicks. Just got busted up.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

 

[Faust]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Dolphins offered free agent Michael Crabtree "close to $3 million" but he turned it down, according to the Miami Herald.
Crabtree wanted something closer to $4.5 million. With so many big-time receiver prospects in this year's draft, teams aren't going to overpay for an underachiever like Crabtree. He'll visit the Raiders next. If Oakland's offer is similar to Miami's, Crabtree would be wise to take the money.

Related: Raiders, Dolphins

Source: Miami Herald
Apr 5 - 11:06 AM

 

[cstu]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

I'm sure they are going their due diligence but Crabtree was 9 for 56 yards (6.2 YPR) on 14 targets against them last year (game the Raiders won).

Not even sure he'd be an upgrade to James Jones at this point, probably a wash.

 

[massraider]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

I'm sure they are going their due diligence but Crabtree was 9 for 56 yards (6.2 YPR) on 14 targets against them last year (game the Raiders won).

Not even sure he'd be an upgrade to James Jones at this point, probably a wash.

Maybe he's an upgrade to Denarius Moore.

 

[cstu]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

I'm sure they are going their due diligence but Crabtree was 9 for 56 yards (6.2 YPR) on 14 targets against them last year (game the Raiders won).

Not even sure he'd be an upgrade to James Jones at this point, probably a wash.

Maybe he's an upgrade to Denarius Moore.

Not hard to be, but $3+ million is a lot for a 5th receiver - assuming they are drafting Cooper.

 

[Crippler]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

I'm sure they are going their due diligence but Crabtree was 9 for 56 yards (6.2 YPR) on 14 targets against them last year (game the Raiders won).

Not even sure he'd be an upgrade to James Jones at this point, probably a wash.

Maybe he's an upgrade to Denarius Moore.

Not hard to be, but $3+ million is a lot for a 5th receiver - assuming they are drafting Cooper.

Or you can assume they want to go another direction instead with the 4th pick. I forget where I saw it last week but I heard they dont really want to draft WR and would love to trade down. Or hope Leonard drops to them as a chance of this still.

 

[KellysHeroes]

surprised he didn't take the deal

 

[massraider]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

I'm sure they are going their due diligence but Crabtree was 9 for 56 yards (6.2 YPR) on 14 targets against them last year (game the Raiders won).

Not even sure he'd be an upgrade to James Jones at this point, probably a wash.

Maybe he's an upgrade to Denarius Moore.

Not hard to be, but $3+ million is a lot for a 5th receiver - assuming they are drafting Cooper.

5th WR?

Jones and Streater. That's the WRs I feel comfortable with on the team. Streater is coming off an injury, hopefully he'll come back.

I'm not ecstatic about Crabtree, but he's going to be an upgrade to someone if he signs. 3 million is a lot? Well, OK. Good thing the team has cap room for days, I suppose.

 

[cstu]

surprised he didn't take the deal

Not surprised, still have memories of him holding out well in the season his rookie year. He's going to chase the money like he always has.

 

[cstu]

Oakland Raiders, Michael Crabtree might need each other:

http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/10357/oakland-raiders-and-michael-crabtree-may-need-each-other

I'm sure they are going their due diligence but Crabtree was 9 for 56 yards (6.2 YPR) on 14 targets against them last year (game the Raiders won).

Not even sure he'd be an upgrade to James Jones at this point, probably a wash.

Maybe he's an upgrade to Denarius Moore.

Not hard to be, but $3+ million is a lot for a 5th receiver - assuming they are drafting Cooper.

5th WR?

Jones and Streater. That's the WRs I feel comfortable with on the team. Streater is coming off an injury, hopefully he'll come back.

I'm not ecstatic about Crabtree, but he's going to be an upgrade to someone if he signs. 3 million is a lot? Well, OK. Good thing the team has cap room for days, I suppose.

I watched every play by Crabtree last year - he's done.

He's 4th to me behind Streater, Jones, and Holmes. 5th if they draft Cooper.

$3M isn't really a lot but I called it that because I think it's throwing money away to add a cancer. The cap money rolls over, save it until next year when the Raiders are a more desirable place for free agents (which I think they will be if Carr continues to develop).

 

[Madden Curse]

surprised he didn't take the deal

Not surprised, still have memories of him holding out well in the season his rookie year. He's going to chase the money like he always has.

I'm also not surprised, Crabtree has always seemed like a guy who has an unreasonably high opinion of himself.

It's probably a longshot, and I hope someone shakes some sense into him before it comes to this, but I can imagine Crabtree sitting out this year rather than playing for a rate that he considers to be "beneath him".

 

[fantasycurse42]

Before the Achilles injury, he was really developing... Now I agree, his value is very little. The funny thing is he thought he was worth 7M+ before hitting the market.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

He's done now. Like a chicken with his head cutoff doesn't know he's a goner.

Brice Butler has more upside now. He's competing for a role. He's a poor mans James Jones now. Karma couldn't have dropped a duece on a nicer #######.

Needs to stay on his side of the bay. Why is that Reggie always needs to poke around the Niners dumpster every freaking off season?

 

[FUBAR]

surprised he didn't take the deal

Not surprised, still have memories of him holding out well in the season his rookie year. He's going to chase the money like he always has.

true. plus let's say he understands that he needs to take a one year "prove it" deal (doubt it right now but maybe eventually he gets it). Is Oakland the place to do that? If I'm him I take a million less to sign with Carolina, Seattle (doubt they'd take him but maybe?), or New Orleans. IOW, a good QB with a better chance of being the #2 WR, preferably with a WR (TE in Seattle) who draws attention away from him. If he'd sign cheap, Carolina would be an ideal situation.

 

[cstu]

Benjamin Allbright ‏@AllbrightNFL 16m16 minutes ago

Source: #Raiders and Michael Crabtree "very likely"

 

[Soulfly3]

PPR Monster in OAK....

This is gonna be funny watching you guys backtrack

 

[cstu]

PPR Monster in OAK....

This is gonna be funny watching you guys backtrack

Bowe, Crabtree, is there any washed up WR you don't love?

 

[BoltBacker]

Before the Achilles injury, he was really developing... Now I agree, his value is very little. The funny thing is he thought he was worth 7M+ before hitting the market.

I think this is a pretty solid article that points out that based on production he should probably be paid ~$6.3million.....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2420002-what-is-michael-crabtree-actually-worth

So then people say, "but, but, but Crabtree only has the speed to run short and intermediate routes now!". (Shrug) Doesn't Torrey Smith run ONE route? He signed for 5yr/$40mil. There are about a dozen WR's in the NFL that run in the 4.4's or lower that can run that route.

So then people say, "but, but, Crabtree is a bad locker room guy!". I'm a Charger fan and I heard what a terrible guy Antonio Cromartie was and how SD would be better off without him. Since then there has been a perpetual revolving door at the CB position in SD eating draft picks and FA $ ever since, and coincidentally in the SD secondary for opposing WR's. I hope they have finally filled it with Flowers @4yr/$36million. I sure hope locker room tranquility was worth it all those years. Lots of camping trips and popcorn parties together.

The NFL is a weird league sometimes.

 

[BoltBacker]

PPR Monster in OAK....

This is gonna be funny watching you guys backtrack

Bowe, Crabtree, is there any washed up WR you don't love?

I'll admit I thought Bowe was going to sign for a lot less $ than CLE gave him. Both OAK and CLE are paying a pretty heavy FA tax so it will be interesting to see what OAK would have to pay him. Bowe at that deal definitely was not good, I'll agree with you there.

 

[Soulfly3]

PPR Monster in OAK....

This is gonna be funny watching you guys backtrack

Bowe, Crabtree, is there any washed up WR you don't love?

Yup... all the ones I haven't mentioned.

I just happen tho think both those guys seriously outperform the #### you guys are heaping on them

No more, no less. Both will be very serviceable WRs in fantasy and in the NFL

 

[massraider]

The only way price becomes something that matters is if he gets long term guarantees.

 

[Soulfly3]

@KingCrab15

· 20m20 minutes ago
Bay Area...

trolling the Niners. I like it

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Free agent Michael Crabtree dropped 10-of-78 catchable passes in 2014.
His 12.82 percent drop rate was the fourth-worst among qualified receivers, behind only Mohamed Sanu, Torrey Smith, and Kelvin Benjamin. Diminished speed, a concerning injury history, and coming off a season where he couldn't catch the ball has certainly affected Crabtree's market. Crabtree also battled drops early in his career. Possession receivers like him need to have reliable hands.

Source: Pro Football Focus
Apr 6 - 8:42 PM

 

[amicsta]

This guy is done

/thread

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This guy is done

/thread

agreed even if he does sign with the Raiders. he's trash.

 

[5Rings]

Why is that Reggie always needs to poke around the Niners dumpster every freaking off season?

This has happened for 25+ years, why act surprised now?

 

[Vector]

Would be hilarious to see him go to Seattle. Who knows, after they signed Graham with his history with the Hawks it could happen (not really, but fun to imagine in any case).

 

[MaxThreshold]

god I hate this guy.

Dude was always a huge bust. Anyone who takes him on deserves to lose.

 

[FF Ninja]

Dude was always a huge bust.

Except for when he wasn't. Which was sometimes.

Diva... D0uch3 bag... Sure. But pre-injury he was a very nice WR. Never on a good passing offense, but his talent was undeniable. Never an elite player, but all the people calling him a bust... so weird.

 

[Soulfly3]

When he signs, anyone who wants to make a friendly sig wager, get at me... This guy is going to top expectations, easily.

This "he's done" talk is seriously laughable

 

[jwb]

Dude was always a huge bust.

Except for when he wasn't. Which was sometimes.

Diva... D0uch3 bag... Sure. But pre-injury he was a very nice WR. Never on a good passing offense, but his talent was undeniable. Never an elite player, but all the people calling him a bust... so weird.

weeks 15 and 16, 2013. Dude came back from injury and helped me to a title in a tough league. Like almost anyone who wins, I really needed that "extra" guy at the end, and that year, he was it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[cstu]

When he signs, anyone who wants to make a friendly sig wager, get at me... This guy is going to top expectations, easily.

This "he's done" talk is seriously laughable

What are his expectations, 60/600? If so, you're right - he could get 70/700.

 

[Soulfly3]

When he signs, anyone who wants to make a friendly sig wager, get at me... This guy is going to top expectations, easily.

This "he's done" talk is seriously laughable

What are his expectations, 60/600? If so, you're right - he could get 70/700.

"He's done" and "70/700" doesn't really jive for me...

"he's done is like "30/350"

But yes, I would absolutely assume (again, where he signs will make a difference) that 70/700 is quite easily attainable for him provided he doesnt get hurt. He's capable of quite a bit more

 

[cstu]

When he signs, anyone who wants to make a friendly sig wager, get at me... This guy is going to top expectations, easily.

This "he's done" talk is seriously laughable

What are his expectations, 60/600? If so, you're right - he could get 70/700.

"He's done" and "70/700" doesn't really jive for me...

"he's done is like "30/350"

But yes, I would absolutely assume (again, where he signs will make a difference) that 70/700 is quite easily attainable for him provided he doesnt get hurt. He's capable of quite a bit more

62 players (and 50 WR's) had 700 yards last year. How many games did Greg Jennings win people last year?

He could certainly make a NFL roster based on experience and the talent he still has, but he's of little fantasy value. It would take an absolute miracle for him to finish in the top 24 WR's this year.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

When he signs, anyone who wants to make a friendly sig wager, get at me... This guy is going to top expectations, easily.

This "he's done" talk is seriously laughable

What are his expectations, 60/600? If so, you're right - he could get 70/700.

"He's done" and "70/700" doesn't really jive for me...

"he's done is like "30/350"

But yes, I would absolutely assume (again, where he signs will make a difference) that 70/700 is quite easily attainable for him provided he doesnt get hurt. He's capable of quite a bit more

700 is nearly "done" from a FF perspective. About 50 receivers had over 700 yards last year. That would make him a WR 4 in a 14 team league, and a WR 5 in a 12 teamer. And typically when you are looking for a bench guy you are going to look for younger guys with bigger upsides.

And that's IF he hits his 700. So in my mind, you have to be a true believer to be interested at all. Is he a guy that could surprise with 1k yards or not? I don't have a lot of faith in that, but I could some that would.

 

[Soulfly3]

When he signs, anyone who wants to make a friendly sig wager, get at me... This guy is going to top expectations, easily.

This "he's done" talk is seriously laughable

What are his expectations, 60/600? If so, you're right - he could get 70/700.

"He's done" and "70/700" doesn't really jive for me...

"he's done is like "30/350"

But yes, I would absolutely assume (again, where he signs will make a difference) that 70/700 is quite easily attainable for him provided he doesnt get hurt. He's capable of quite a bit more

62 players (and 50 WR's) had 700 yards last year. How many games did Greg Jennings win people last year?

He could certainly make a NFL roster based on experience and the talent he still has, but he's of little fantasy value. It would take an absolute miracle for him to finish in the top 24 WR's this year.

Let's for arguments sake say he hits 70/700/4 ... I think that's a fair number if he plays all 16 games. (it's low in my estimation, but I'll go with it just to say Im not overestimating him)

Jarvis Landry finished as WR32 in my PPR league with 79/703/5

In a league like mine, where I can start up to 5 WRs, he makes an excellent 5th option (again, lowball, Id expect him to be a WR3/4)

Just so I am clear, if he ends up in somewhere like OAK, Id give an estimation of 80/800/5 on the season.

 

[FF Ninja]

Landry finished 31st in the league with 112 targets. He turned that into 84 rec, 758 yds, 5 TDs. Great example of why PPR is silly. 758/5 was good for WR42 in 0PPR.

 

[Soulfly3]

Landry finished 31st in the league with 112 targets. He turned that into 84 rec, 758 yds, 5 TDs. Great example of why PPR is silly. 758/5 was good for WR42 in 0PPR.

Oops, good catch, MFL only shows me week 1-16 last season.

But the point exists and remains... in PPR, Crabtree remains, imo, a valuable asset. In the right scenario I wouldnt bet against 80+ receptions, at all.

In the 4 seasons in which he played either 15 or 16 games (I threw out the 2 seasons in which he played 11 and 5), he averaged 70 receptions.

That, in a weak as hell offense for his skillset and a mediocre QB, Guy is worth owning in PPR, if you ask me

 

[FF Ninja]

80 receptions? In Oakland?? There hasn't been an 80 rec WR on the Raiders since Rich Gannon and Jerry Rice teamed up.

 

[Soulfly3]

80 receptions? In Oakland?? There hasn't been an 80 rec WR on the Raiders since Rich Gannon and Jerry Rice teamed up.

scrubs like James Jones (73), Brandon Myers (79) came close recently...

Carr is a good QB and will only get better... Crabtree craps on both the above guys in talent.

 

[Rimez]

80 receptions? In Oakland?? There hasn't been an 80 rec WR on the Raiders since Rich Gannon and Jerry Rice teamed up.

scrubs like James Jones (73), Brandon Myers (79) came close recently...

Carr is a good QB and will only get better... Crabtree craps on both the above guys in talent.

the crabtree of 3 years ago yes but that guy is long gone. replaced by a slower version with bad ankles that runs the wrong routes and drops passes. considering he was getting thoroughly outplayed by a 57 year old anquan boldin what makes you think he would take targets from jones or even holmes? practice squad players have value in a league that starts 5 wrs (lol wtf) but for normal leagues crabtree is done, and being the #2 or #3 in oakland or miami wont change that.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Took a quick look and didn't see a lot of recent video on Crabtree, the below is post-injury, an eight reception game against GB in January of 2014, so others can decide for themselves if he looks done or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7HwRyZMri0

 

[Soulfly3]

Too many calling a completely disinterested SF Crabtree "done"

He's wanted out for a good while now. Was never used properly due a mostly inept QB/System.... He checked out.