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Feel free to use the PM, too.Knock yourself out and please add some Watkins content if you feel like it, other sidebar discussions don't have to preclude discussing things of interest to you or anybody else. If you don't have anything to add, than no need to fault others for discussing what they want to. It is an interesting question to me how quickly a call can be made on greatness, if not to you, just skip those posts. You do know if it isn't for you after a few words, sentences, right?
Actually, I think it had already run its course, so ironically, talking about it after the fact is contributing to the same clutter you are complaining about.FWIW, I agree with Rhythmdoctor. I'd like to get back to Watkins chatter rather than a pissing match.
Sammy is and always was the best WR in this draft.
I can agree with your explanation and think it sums up the situation quite well. I also think Boldin is a poor comparison..........
My hesitancy to get really excited now is that he's proven he can beat single coverage pretty easily, which is only half the battle. Teams really didn't have to fear the passing game until this, so I'd expect him to be doubled fairly regularly now. THIS is where we will see how talented he really is. If he's still getting open consistently, I'm all-in.
Agreed. He will be fine his ability to run crossing routes and his strength to beat a jam and get separation even on shorter routes will allow him to still catch a lot of balls as long as Manuel looks his way (which he should do as Watkins is that good).
Sorry you feel that way.
I really can't understate this. If you only look at the stats, yes they're impressive, but he passed the "eye test" with flying colors. Brent Grimes was a Pro Bowler last year (and ranked #2 CB in the league according to PFF) and Cortland Finnegan is no slouch. I am not sure who was assigned to Watkins on most plays, but he made the entire Miami secondary look foolish for most of the game. He could've legitimately had 3 TDs and 10 catches for 150+ yards if not for a tremendous play by Grimes and a miscommunication between Manuel and Watkins on a later post pattern. He was repeatedly wide open for the entire game.
Good post by Werdnoynek.
I typically haven't used the Boldin comparison. It came up coincidentally in the longer above profile, but that was because Harvin and Boldin were the last two WRs to win Rookie of the Year in the past decade or so (not Calvin, Demaryius, Dez, A.J., Julio, Josh Gordon), they are under 6'2" (Harvin only 5'11"), and even than, only as a mash up with other players.
Garcon was very productive in PPR leagues last year, if not top 5-type elite. Smith, I think of as more of a one dimensional deep threat, better athlete than football player (speaking more to him being a great athlete than not a good WR), but not in the same league as Watkins as a RAC, open field runner weapon.
This is actually the first comparison I thought of, but was afraid to say it. Dez is a physical freak of nature, and it will be interesting to see if Sammy can get there.
Right now he is at 148 yards after two games. That averages to 74 yards a game, and 1184 yards for the season assuming no games missed. I think he can make it, but the weather will start to turn soon.... It will be interesting to see if he can make it. I think he can.......
Bills have faced some pretty good pass rushers the first two weeks:
if he gets doubled, the Bills have enough other weapons to hurt a defense. strong running game and other players like Woods and Williams can get open against single coverage
all reports of him at practice during training camp basically said the same thing. he was embarassing defenders left and right. was just weird that he never got anything going during the preseason games, and then got banged up.
No doubt about that!
And the list of rookies with 1,000 yard seasons isn't very long and has some very good names (Green, K Allen, Boldin)
Having drafted Sammy I hope you are right, but it's a long season.
if Thad Lewis or Jeff Tuel were still in place as the #2 QB, I'd be a lot less certain than I am with Orton around.
Chris Hairston would do fine IMO, but they could also slide the RT to that spot and move Pears from RG back to RT. There's depth on the line and Marrone is an offensive line coach. I think they would survive.
You should write for the site more often, Bob.Sorry you feel that way.
In your spirit of contributing something substantive to the thread...
How about that Sammy Watkins guy!
Seriously, this was something I wrote last week in the first installment of the new column, The Rookies. Nothing new for many people, probably, but for what it is worth, in case there is something of interest to some in the thread?
"Watkins isn’t a Sleestak like Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin, but neither were Percy Harvin (2009) or Anquan Boldin (2003), the last two WRs to represent the position by winning Rookie of the Year. The fourth overall selection and consensus top skill position player in the 2014 draft comprises an interesting blend or combination of their respective skill sets and games, with some of the suddenness, instant acceleration and burst of Harvin in a bigger package, coupled with some of the physicality and hard-nosed, tackle breaking RAC ability of Boldin in a smaller frame (similar in size and physical stature to Boldin’s teammate Michael Crabtree, as well as Roddy White and Hakeem Nicks). Watkins is the only WR in NCAA history to make AP first team All-American as a true Freshman, and one of only four at any position, with the other three being historically good college/pro RBs Herschel Walker, Marshall Faulk and Adrian Peterson, elite company. Many scouts have stated he is the best WR prospect since the class of 2011, with A.J. Green and Julio Jones. Watkins isn’t as tall as Green, but he is bigger, faster and a more explosive open field runner (more like a smaller Jones, in that respect). The Bills blew up their 2015 draft to move up five spots from 1.9 to 1.4 and secure his services, and he is expected to eventually emerge as the focal point of the passing game, a cornerstone player to build the offense around. His development and that of second year QB E.J. Manuel are somewhat intertwined, and the polarizing and divisive signal caller got off to a promising start, with an upset on the road against the Bears. Watkins is a former track star (personal best sub-10.5 100 m.) that could be deployed on the increasingly popular jet sweep, and has the potential to augment his receiving numbers with production via the run game, like Harvin and luminously talented open field runner Cordarrelle Patterson. He enters the 2014 season sub-optimally with a rib injury, which tends to linger, that could test his toughness, determination and resolve. Watkins works hard at his craft, by all accounts football is important to him and he is serious about it, his pre-season effort, sense of urgency and commitment to preparation showed evidence of discipline, strong work ethic and professionalism, and he appears to have the requisite desire to improve found in great WRs."
i think he looks a lot like justin blackmon when he plays. has anyone made that comp in this thread? boldin is a close comp too, at least from boldins younger days.
tombonneau said:
Sammy will probably out point them all
I have an offer I put out for Alshon.... no response yet.
Tweets coming out of Buffalo indicate it is extremely windy right now. Think I'll keep Sammy on the bench for now.
