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You know what they say in fantasy circles about Wide Receivers in their 3rd season of NFL service, right?Well, I've compiled a list of WRs who will be entering their 3rd season and wanted to see who you guys thought might "breakthrough" or finally start to produce. Here they are. Some of these guys may have been prematurely labeled as a "bust", there is alot at stake this season for all of these guys:Deion BranchLamont BrightfulAntonio BryantReche CaldwellKelly CampbellTim CarterAndre' DavisEddie DrummondJabar GaffneyDavid GivensDaryl JonesAshley LelieAaron LockettLee MaysJason McAddleyFreddie MilonsEric ParkerAntwaan Randle ElJosh ReedJake SchifinoDonte StallworthJavon WalkerComments and projections, please!

 
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I'll go out on a limb and say Deion Branch will outproduce every WR on that list. :yes:

 
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I'll go out on a limb and say Deion Branch will outproduce every WR on that list. :yes:
Maybe so, but the problem is that any one of 4 WRs could be the "#1" WR for NE in any given game.Brown, Givens, Branch, Johnson all figure to catch some passes. Makes it tough for any of them to be a great fantasy option.
 
Maybe so, but the problem is that any one of 4 WRs could be the "#1" WR for NE in any given game.Brown, Givens, Branch, Johnson all figure to catch some passes. Makes it tough for any of them to be a great fantasy option.
I felt the same way(too many targets in NE) until late last season when Brady admitted that Branch was his favorite target. He has all the tools, and has 'Arrival' written all over his forehead.
 
I felt the same way(too many targets in NE) until late last season when Brady admitted that Branch was his favorite target. He has all the tools, and has 'Arrival' written all over his forehead.
After he made this statement here are Branch's playoff numbers:123 yards (excellent)23 yards (not so excellent - ranked 4th on the Pats for the game)10 yards (ugh, SIX NE receivers had more yardage in this game)The Pats had a different receiving yardage leader in each of their 3 playoff games.In the regular season, Branch's ONLY 100 yard outing consisted of a 66 yard bomb and two other catches on the day.His compeition isn't going anywhere either. Brown continues to look solid, Givens was really coming on strong toward the end of the season, Bethel Johnson was very inconsistent, but is considerably bigger than Branch and is considerably faster than almost anyone in the NFL.Again, Branch MIGHT be the best of them, but even if he is, the ball will be spread around a lot.
 
While we're bringing up #'s, here's the season stats. While Givens had more TD's, Branch led the team in catches and yards. I see no reason why he can't get 75/1100/8 in '04 because the upside is there. Not bad for a 3rd year player. NAME REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST Deion Branch 57 803 14.1 66 3 0 0 David Givens 34 510 15.0 57 6 0 0 Troy Brown 40 472 11.8 82 4 0 0 Kevin Faulk 48 440 9.2 27 0 1 1 Daniel Graham 38 409 10.8 38 4 0 0 Christian Fauria 28 285 10.2 28 2 0 0 Bethel Johnson 16 209 13.1 45 2 0 0 David Patten 9 140 15.6 42 0 0 0 Larry Centers 19 106 5.6 14 1 0 0 Dedric Ward 7 106 15.1 31 1 0 0 Antowain Smith 14 92 6.6 16 0 1 1 J.J. Stokes 2 38 19.0 31 0 0 0 Patrick Pass 4 21 5.3 11 0 0 0 Fred McCrary 2 12 6.0 9 0 0 0 Michael Cloud 1 8 8.0 8 0 0 0 Joe Andruzzi 1 0 0.0 0 0 1 0

 
Javon Walker has already broken out IMO. Is he not Farve's # 1 target?
Due to Driver being hurt most of last year he was favre's only target. A healthy Driver may change that.As far as the list of wr's go i think the most talented is D. Stallworth. If he is healthy (big if) i think he will outproduce the others.
 
Assuming no new faces are added:Andre Davis w/ Garciaand Ashley LelieBoth look like they might be in friendly sitches and have decent QBs. Walker's already arrived, though his "lots of production on few targets" worries me.Bryant prob. has too much competition for looks in a run+defense heavy system.Caldwell's a dark horse provided Boston departs.Branch showed a lot in the S.B., and I think he's the best on the Pats, but the competition for looks is worrisome.Overalll, though, I am pessimistic about any rising higher than WR20.

 
3rd year breakout is a myth, sort of, in that it's actually just as likely that a player will breakout in their SECOND year...so you should really be searching for your sleeper WRs from a list of 2nd and 3rd year players.

 
3rd year breakout is a myth, sort of, in that it's actually just as likely that a player will breakout in their SECOND year...so you should really be searching for your sleeper WRs from a list of 2nd and 3rd year players.
I agree, and i really think that Boldin guy is going to break out. :excited:
 
Deion BranchDonte StallworthAshley LelieJavon WalkerKelly CampbellJosh ReedAndre' DavisAntonio BryantAntwaan Randle ElMy list in order

 
True, the 3rd year is often more happenstance than anything, but as long as we're discussing these guys:I think Stallworth and Lelie are good candidates to break out, given that they will be starters in pass friendly offenses that often don't use 3 wides to spread the wealth. And you can get them cheap since they both way underperformed last year.As for two others, I really like Andre Davis and Deion Branch, but as mentioned before, they are surrounded by other good WRs that get a lot of playing time, so it's hard to depend on them. Had Northcutt been able to leave via FA, and with Garcia on board, I would have put Davis up with Stallworth and Lelie.<EDIT: I also agree that Walker has basically broken out already to some extent.>

 
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3rd year breakout is a myth, sort of, in that it's actually just as likely that a player will breakout in their SECOND year...so you should really be searching for your sleeper WRs from a list of 2nd and 3rd year players.In N.E., I like Givens and Johnson more than Branch, but all 3 will likely suffer with the presence of the others.The only ones on the list I think get enough looks will be Davis, Lelie, and Walker. Stallworth would be in there as well if he could stay on the field, but I haven't seen him be able to play full time, so I wouldn't put him in this group.There are reasons why I am not as high on some of the others, just don't feel like tyoing them all up.
In doing a lot of WR research lately, I found that there really is no consistent pattern for WR breaking out. There success (like all other positions) is based on opportunity.Most of the WR on the list in this thread are all very talented, but they may not have a legit shot yet to produce.
 
In 2000 Doug Drinen wrote an article backed with a lot of data that examined the 3rd year WR breakout myth.In Conclusion he found:

What is more interesting is what I was unable to find. Namely, I did not find any strong evidence that 3rd-year WRs are more likely to break out than 2nd- or 4th-year WRs.
The link to the article is broken in FBG articles but it is on Drinen's site at:In Search of 3rd Year Magic
 
Javon Walker has already broken out IMO. Is he not Farve's # 1 target?
No he's not. Check out the numbers of he, Ferguson, and Driver in terms of per game averages. You might be surprised at how similar they all are in terms of # of catches and even TDs per game between Fergie and Walker.HERD
 
I haven't done the hard and fast analysis on this yet (it's the offseason you know ;) , but off the top of my head here are a few guys i could see enjoying their first 1,000 yard receiving seasons:

1) Dennis Northcutt/Andre Davis -- With Quincy Morgan regressing, and a new offensive coordinator running the show, I could see either Northcutt or Davis emerging this year. Which one? Tought to say. Recall that Northcutt also thought he would be a UFA and didn't file his paperwork in time, so will there be lingering hostility?

2) Andre Johnson -- Dre only missed the 1,000 yard mark by 24 yards, and had an impressive 14.8 YPC in his rookie season. When you consider that Carr was out for a time, and Tony Banks was slinging the ball around, I think that mere natural progression pushes Dre into the 1000-1100 yard+ camp.

3) Reggie Wayne -- I don't think Wayne will surprise us with a top 10 fantasy season as long as Mo is healthy, but one of these years Mo isn't going to catch 90-100 balls and Wayne has shown the ability to pick up some of that slack. 68 catches for 838 yards and 7 TDs was nice growth (albeit a lower YPC) and he could be on the cusp.

4) Deion Branch -- We fantasy owners would be greatly served if Troy Brown was sent packing. That would open the door for Branch/Bethel Johnson and David Givens to get more looks. That said, Branch acquitted himself well last year, and has the talent to be a 1,000 yard receiver in this system. Unfortunately, you shouldn't overpay for him on draft day because NE has the most balanced passing game in the land, and absent someone of Moss/Ward/Harrison caliber, it's going to be tough for any WR to have a monster year.

5) Jerry Porter -- Last year I warned against counting on Porter to break out, but even I didn't expect his season to amount to a whopping 361 yards. He's got the talent, but is his health and work ethic enough to put him over the top? Obviously much of this comes down to the QB situation, the type of offense Turner institutes and, as importantly, whether Oakland looks at Fitzgerald or Mike Williams with the 2nd pick. If Oakland brings aboard one of those two, all bets could be off.

6) Charlie Rogers -- Rogers didn't have the impact as a rookie that most expected, as he was sidelined by a broken collarbone. We just don't know how talented Joey Harrington really is, but this is the year Mooch is expecting Harrington to sink or swim, and Tai Streets will keep opposing defenses honest in 2004. Rogers could well fly past 1000 yards and be a solid fantasy contributor if Detroit puts together a reasonably accountable supporting staff.

7) Javon Walker -- Brett Favre is going to get his numbers, if there is one truth in football, it may be that he finds a way to make use of his receivers. There's no reason the GB passing game shouldn't have at least one 1,000 yard receiver and of the two youngsters (Ferguson and Bryant), Bryant had the better year and shows better underlying growth metrics (17.5 YPC, 9 TDs), so let's pencil him in for continued growth in 2004.

8) Brandon Lloyd -- Clearly a pick that could end up being huge for you in the later rounds of the draft. Sometimes production is more about opportunity than anything else, and Lloyd's opportunity is expected to change greatly in 2004. Gone are Tai Streets and Terrell Owens, leaving Lloyd as one of the Niners two starting WRs. Now, if the Niners draft someone like Reggie Williams, Lloyd may settle into the WR2 role, but watch him as he was receiving glowing reports from SF coaches from almost the first day of practice. Remember what Boldin did thanks to opportunity.

 
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No he's not. Check out the numbers of he, Ferguson, and Driver in terms of per game averages. You might be surprised at how similar they all are in terms of # of catches and even TDs per game between Fergie and Walker.HERD
faint echoes of a long past revolution still reverberate in my ears....
 
The WR I like to break out next year is Andre Johnson. Houston bolstered their O-Line in Free Agency and will likely do even more in the draft. Carr is back and shouldn't be nearly as banged up as he was his first 2 years. DDavis has proven to be a highly effective Back. I think that offense jumps light years ahead this year and Johnson will be a big part of that. In my league we vote for rookie of the year. We have to select a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place rookie of the year. Boldin got first on my ballot. DDavis got second and Johnson got 3rd. Obviously we only go with offensive players. But the point is, that offense has some young talent just waiting to explode. I think 2005 will be the real year they reach their potential, but this year we will see signs of things to come....

 
Deion Branch: Certainly has the talent. Sort of caught up in a numbers games in NE though. He is the most talented guy but not big enough to seperate from Givens, Patten, and Brown. Basically a younger, slightly better version of the other NE wideouts. (Projection: 55 catches, 800 yards, 4-6 touchdowns)Lamont Brightful: Not familiar enough with him as a wideout. Seems like a special teamer.Antonio Bryant: Has the talent to be awesome. Could be another Chad Johnson if you ask me. I think the only things that are holding him back are the unsettled QB situation and the coachs's run-first mentality. But, awesome players make plays regardless of situation and Bryant is top-notch talent. Had some maturity issues a few years back but seems to have matured. (Projection: 60 catches, 950 yards, 5 touchdowns)Reche Caldwell: Looked like he would be a player in his rookie season but regressed last season. Knock on him was that he had small-hands coming out of college. I don't think he has the ability to overcome his situation. He may slip behind Eric Parker on the depth chart. (Projection: Bit Player)Kelly Campbell: Has some ability, but is probably going to be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart. The signing of Marcus Robinson doesn't bode well for Campbell. (Projection: Bit-player)Tim Carter: Hasn't shown much but I believe he has battled injuries. Still he was faster than fast when he came out and could still contribute. I think any contributions will come only after Toomer, Hilliard, Shockey, and Barber get their's (Projection: Bit Player)Andre' Davis: Could be on the cusp of greatness. It's all just a matter of to whom Garcia decides to chuck the rock. Davis has good size, speed, and RAC ability. Quincy Morgan is there and might be number 1. Davis probably takes over the 2 spot with Northcutt more suited for the slot. (Projection: 50 catches, 850 yards, 7 touchdowns)Eddie Drummond: Don't know enough about him.Jabar Gaffney: I really like the Texans offense this season. Carr has paid his dues and was actually a pretty decent QB last season. Corey Dillon isn't getting any younger and Andre Johnson looks to be the man there. Gaffney could slide nicely into the starting spot opposite Johnson. He has the physical makeup to succeed. (Projection: 55 catches 800 yards, 5 touchdowns)David Givens: See Deion Branch, but with less catches and yards)Daryl Jones: Don't know enough about him.Ashley Lelie: The tease. He was supposed to be taking over to Grumpy Old Man Ed McCaffrey last season but couldn't do it. Will he this year? Maybe but I just don't know if he can be physical enough. Is he Randy Moss or Todd Pinkston? Tough to say. I'd let somebody else gamble on him. (Projection: 40 catches, 750 yards, 4 touchdowns)Aaron Lockett: Don't know enough about him.Lee Mays: Don't know enough about him.Jason McAddley: Don't know enough about him.Freddie Milons: Looks like a dud.Eric Parker: Showed something last season when pressed into service. I think he has potential to become a solid number 2 guy. I just don't know if he has the talent to be anything more than a WR3 on a fantasy team. Could suprise though. (Projection: 45 catches, 650 yards, 4 touchdowns)Antwaan Randle El: Is the real deal but is also third on the depth chart. Probably won't be able to get enough looks to warrant any more than bit-play. He is going to be one of those guys that you always miss starting on his huge weeks and then start and he gets 1 catch for 8 yards. (Projection: 35 catches, 500 yards, 4 touchdowns)Josh Reed: Didn't do much last season but could improve with a year of seasoning. Has running back's body and plays like it. Won't ever be in a class with Eric Moulds and many projections have the Bills taking a wideout in round 1. (Projection: 40 catches, 700 yards, 3 touchdowns)Jake Schifino: Don't know enough about him.Donte Stallworth: Is a physical specimen. Almost to a fault. If he can overcome his hamstring problems (which I read the team is trying to address) he could become the home-run threat on the Saints. He a ton of ability and is among the fastest players in the league. (Projection if healthy 65 catches, 1000 yards, 8 touchdowns)Javon Walker: Really came on at the end of last season. Is the deep threat for Brett Favre. Has physical ability of an elite player. Huge hands and is learning to go get the ball. Brett seems to like him most. (Projection: 70 catches, 1100 yards, 10 touchdowns)

 
No he's not. Check out the numbers of he, Ferguson, and Driver in terms of per game averages. You might be surprised at how similar they all are in terms of # of catches and even TDs per game between Fergie and Walker.HERD
Yes he is. At the end of the season and through the playoffs, Walker was by far the favorite target of Brett.
 
Yes he is. At the end of the season and through the playoffs, Walker was by far the favorite target of Brett.
That's actually not true.Over the final three weeks, Walker was targeted 4.0 times per game, versus Ferguson's 5.0 times per game and Driver's 5.7 times per game.

And in the playoffs, Favre's favorite target was again Driver, at 6.5x per game versus 4.5x and 3.5x for Walker and Ferguson, respectively.

 
Yes he is. At the end of the season and through the playoffs, Walker was by far the favorite target of Brett.
I'm not going to rewrite the same argument again, but I would strongly encourage anyone who thinks Green Bay has a clear #1 to go back and look at the numbers over the last 4 or 5 seasons. The evidence to support that is just not there. I'm not saying Walker is bad. I am saying that an expectation of him to become a bona-fied top 12 WR is a bit much.In the last 9 games of the 2003 Regular season, Walker averaged 2.11 catches a game, 50 yards per game, and an astounding .77 TDs a game.In that same 9 game stretch (2 of which were DNP), Ferguson averaged 3.14 catches per game, 48 yards per game, and .42 TDs per game.Only the TD/g number is significantly favorable to Walker.In the playoffs, Walker had 6 receptions for 155 yards, and no TDs.In the playoffs, Ferguson had 5 receptions for 73 yards and 2 TDs.Which stats were you looking at that lef you to believe Walker was the clear choice?HERD
 
The whole Pats WRBC scenario should be avoided come draft day. The offensive scheme is not going to make any of them better than a WR2 (i.e. lacks big upside). At the point in the draft when we start looking at WRs like Branch, Givens, Johnson, Brown what we are hoping for is SSmith or Driver from '02; a reserve that produces like a WR1. It would be better to take a shot at whoever emerges as the top target in SF or SD.The other problem with drafting a Pat WR is their running game. They appear to want to be a power running team, but just have not been able to pull it off. They are in an excellent position to pick up a premier RB in the draft. That is going to deminish the overall WR numbers.

 
Lelie will be the most overrated going into drafts and will not produce anywhere near his draft position. I can already picture the June/July hype machine pushing him up into the 4th/5th round and several guys that will be available many rounds later will equal or out produce him.Let the others overpay.

 
I can't be too high on any Buffalo WR until Bledsoe shows me he won't tank mid-to-late season, a la A. Brooks. Same goes for Stallworth. While the #1 WRs on Buffalo and NO may still find a way to get their numbers late in the season, I can't count on the #2 WRs to do the same. And I don't like to draft a certain player, counting on my ability to trade him before his numbers go south.

 
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Which stats were you looking at that lef you to believe Walker was the clear choice?HERD
I wasn't looking at any stats as I am at work right now. However, I did watch every Packer game and I can tell you that by the end of the year, Walker was the man. I should have said Packers best receiver instead of favorite target. My bad. I don't think the Packers will have a true #1 but I do believe Walker will be the closest thing they have to it. He is easily the most talented receiver and Favre just chucks it up to him. I guess I didn't do a bunch of homework and look up targets and what not. However I know that Walker was the impact receiver for the Packers late last season. I also know that last season is as dead and gone. This season, who knows. Show me a guy who can predict wideouts not named Moss or Harrison and I will show you a fantasy champion.
 
I really like Lelie out of this list. I think he has the tools, and with Eddie retiring, he will have much more opportunity. They do not really have another WR to push him either. I think it will be him and Rod the whole way. With Sharpe doing his usual thing.The GB, NE, CLE guys all scare me. Too many options, and they usually spread the ball around so much. Garcia could change that in CLE, but that will have to be seen still.

 
I wasn't looking at any stats as I am at work right now.However, I did watch every Packer game and I can tell you that by the end of the year, Walker was the man. I should have said Packers best receiver instead of favorite target. My bad.
If you can get to this site then you can get to nfl.com, espn.com or the packers website. Any of which will show you stats - concrete, verifiable evidence that he in fact was not the #1 guy. To say he's the "best receiver" when the stats don't support it with such thing as catches and yards is simply an opinion by what is obviously a fan which biases said opinion. Come to the board prepares or don't come at all.....Hiding behind the fact that you are at work is a weak defense. It's not that you are at work, it's the fact that you were too lazy to look up the actual numbers. Maybe you should bookmark the NFL.com player index. The game logs of the previous season is an excellent resource to make informed decisions and arguments. Good luck....
 
If you can get to this site then you can get to nfl.com, espn.com or the packers website. Any of which will show you stats - concrete, verifiable evidence that he in fact was not the #1 guy. To say he's the "best receiver" when the stats don't support it with such thing as catches and yards is simply an opinion by what is obviously a fan which biases said opinion.

Come to the board prepares or don't come at all.....Hiding behind the fact that you are at work is a weak defense. It's not that you are at work, it's the fact that you were too lazy to look up the actual numbers. Maybe you should bookmark the NFL.com player index. The game logs of the previous season is an excellent resource to make informed decisions and arguments. Good luck....
You know what, why don't you grow a set and contribute something useful. You want to tell me how to come to this board? I was on this board a long time before you were. I was in the 300-400 range but my ID got fried for some reason, I was Fantasyninja...go look it up. So don't preach to me. And you can go ahead and say the stats this and all that. But my league scores games according to fantasy points. And just looking quickly I see

Javon Walker: 131

Donald Driver: 77

Robert Ferguson: 75

What's that tell you? Perhaps that, oh let me think here.....HE'S THE BEST RECEIVER ON THE PACKERS!

That put Walker as the 19th best guy, Driver as 51 and Ferguson at 56 for the season. Meaning Walker was a viable #2 wideout last season and a great #3.

Furthermore, Walker was the seventh best fantasy receiver in the league over the last 4 weeks of the season, averaging almost 12 points per game. How can you say that a guy who equals the points of his second and third receivers isn't number one. What percentage of wideout points does a guy need?

Now, theFanatic, why don't you contribute something to this conversation insteading grandstanding....good luck

And Goat, you can have the 50th rated wideout in whatever round you can get him, but I'd gladly take Walker 5 rounds earlier and get solid #2 production. :boxing:

 
What's that tell you? Perhaps that, oh let me think here.....HE'S THE BEST RECEIVER ON THE PACKERS!
By that logic, Jerry Porter was the best WR on the Raiders in 2002, and Brian Finneran was the best WR on the Falcons, and so on and so on.I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just telling you that letting an amazingly high number of TDs in a short period of time skew your vision about WRs is not healthy. I don't care where you draft him, and I don't care who you draft. Considering history for the last 4 or 5 years indicates that NOBODY is Brett Favre's "favorite" WR, I'd suggest you do one of two things:1. Pay attention.2. Go back to being obstinate.HERD
 
By that logic, Jerry Porter was the best WR on the Raiders in 2002, and Brian Finneran was the best WR on the Falcons, and so on and so on.I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just telling you that letting an amazingly high number of TDs in a short period of time skew your vision about WRs is not healthy. I don't care where you draft him, and I don't care who you draft. Considering history for the last 4 or 5 years indicates that NOBODY is Brett Favre's "favorite" WR, I'd suggest you do one of two things:1. Pay attention.2. Go back to being obstinate.HERD
Or does it mean the Walker arrived late last season. If you quarter the season into 4 game blocks. Only in games 5-8 did another receiver outscore Walker. And Walker scored the second highest points in that stretch to boot. Don't talk down to me pal. I've been around the block in fantasy football since 1995 so it's not like I am some rook.And as far as looking at Favre's wideouts. They were a rag-tag bunch for many years and if I am not mistaken - Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman had good fantasy seasons once Favre developed some chemistry with them. And neither was the physical specimen that Walker is. The only guy the Packers have had that Walker can be compared to was Sterling Sharpe. And he did ok too. Something like 100+ catches a boatload of touchdowns.
 
Javon Walker will be the clear #1 in GBA Davis will be the clear #1 in CLEStallworth could put of solid numbers is healthyThose stick out in my mind.

 
Or does it mean the Walker arrived late last season. If you quarter the season into 4 game blocks. Only in games 5-8 did another receiver outscore Walker. And Walker scored the second highest points in that stretch to boot. Don't talk down to me pal. I've been around the block in fantasy football since 1995 so it's not like I am some rook.And as far as looking at Favre's wideouts. They were a rag-tag bunch for many years and if I am not mistaken - Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman had good fantasy seasons once Favre developed some chemistry with them. And neither was the physical specimen that Walker is. The only guy the Packers have had that Walker can be compared to was Sterling Sharpe. And he did ok too. Something like 100+ catches a boatload of touchdowns.
Oh my. Well, Pal, I wouldn't want to talk to down to someone with such experience. If you want to compare Walker to Sharpe, be my guest. :brush: Stats can prove just about anything........but they can't make Javon Walker Brett Favre's favorite WR, no matter what stats you find.HERD
 
I liked the improvement that David Givens has made. I thought by the end of last year and in the playoffs he was solid. and he was finding the endzone. (more so than Branch). If the Pats were to cut Troy Brown for any reason then I would like Givens as a sleeper. But with 4 receivers in New england now, I have trouble seeing him being real consistent.No one on the list above really impresses me. I thought Stallworth was going to be a star when I saw him in his rookie year but he kind of regressed in his second year. I still think he has the best potential upside of that class.Lelie was overated coming out of college IMO.

 
Due to Driver being hurt most of last year he was favre's only target. A healthy Driver may change that.As far as the list of wr's go i think the most talented is D. Stallworth. If he is healthy (big if) i think he will outproduce the others.
Driver did get hurt, but he pulled more of a Freeman (got paid, now I can suck).
 
I just like all the discussion! I have Porter and Reed returning from last year's roster, and I recently acquired Stallworth in a trade. Let's hope all 3 have breakout years! :o

 
I can't be too high on any Buffalo WR until Bledsoe shows me he won't tank mid-to-late season, a la A. Brooks. Same goes for Stallworth. While the #1 WRs on Buffalo and NO may still find a way to get their numbers late in the season, I can't count on the #2 WRs to do the same.
Brooks actually improved dramatically over the second half of the season as compared to the first. And a big part of the reason for his improvement was actually the return of Stallworth after hamstring and ankle problems earlier in the year.For whatever it's worth......Out of the entire group, I really like Javon Walker. And yes, Charles Lee.
 
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Come to the board prepares or don't come at all.....Hiding behind the fact that you are at work is a weak defense. It's not that you are at work, it's the fact that you were too lazy to look up the actual numbers.
People ought to be careful making derogatory comments like these. It's not a good idea to become a FF snob who only recognizes someone else's right to an opinion if it is backed by statistics. That's awfully limited thinking. Further, terms like 'too lazy,' 'hiding behind,' and 'don't come at all' are better left unsaid. This is not your board to dictate who can post and how folks must post if they choose to do so. I'd be apologizing to Sabertooth if I'd written that.This thread discusses who people believe will have outstanding 2004 seasons. Only the foolish believe the future can be proven using the past, and that if last year's stats don't support something it can't happen next year. The gentleman you slammed stated he saw Packer games with his own eyes and concluded that by the end of the year he was convinced Walker is their WR1 and will take off in 2004. Why is that not a legitimate, good-enough opinion? What makes it less useful than one from someone who spits out a lot of past numbers but never actually saw a Packer game?Those who remain in the little 'box' of past statistics, rather than develop the ability to recognize the dynamics of change, are destined never to find the breakout players until they are obvious to all. There's nothing special about that.
 
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People ought to be careful making derogatory comments like these. It's not a good idea to become a FF snob who only recognizes someone else's right to an opinion if it is backed by statistics. That's awfully limited thinking. Further, terms like 'too lazy,' 'hiding behind,' and 'don't come at all' are better left unsaid. This is not your board to dictate who can post and how folks must post if they choose to do so. I'd be apologizing to Sabertooth if I'd written that.This thread discusses who people believe will have outstanding 2004 seasons. Only the foolish believe the future can be proven using the past, and that if last year's stats don't support something it can't happen next year. The gentleman you slammed stated he saw Packer games with his own eyes and concluded that by the end of the year he was convinced Walker is their WR1 and will take off in 2004. Why is that not a legitimate, good-enough opinion? What makes it less useful than one from someone who spits out a lot of past numbers but never actually saw a Packer game?Those who remain in the little 'box' of past statistics, rather than develop the ability to recognize the dynamics of change, are destined never to find the breakout players until they are obvious to all. There's nothing special about that.
Hear Hear! :thumbup:
 
I really like Lelie out of this list. I think he has the tools, and with Eddie retiring, he will have much more opportunity.
I also like Lelie this year, but not because he'll have more of a role. In fact, he really had an opportunity last year. as McCaffrey only played 9 games and really wasn't much of a factor anyway (19 catches on the year).I just think that Lelie will have gained some valuable experience from last year, his first as a starter, and having had a full year to develop some chemistry with a new starting QB in Plummer.This is the year for Lelie to show what he's got. Can he do it? Don't know, but I think he's a good gamble if you can get him pretty cheap. And given his year last year, you should be able to.
 
I'm just telling you that letting an amazingly high number of TDs in a short period of time skew your vision about WRs is not healthy.
I agree here - one need only look at Marc Boerigter from 2002 to 2003 as further evidence.Don't get me wrong - I think Walker has a reasonable shot at emerging as Favre's primary receiver, but it's obviously more advantageous to look at targets (both last year and, more importantly, expected this coming year) than the unpredictable TD levels.
 
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