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[BassNBrew]

Ruffrodys05

3.01 - Philip Rivers, SD, QB5

12.16 - Jimmy Clausen, ®, QB34

Can't argue with Rivers as a QB1. Clausen is a crapshoot and was drafted too early for my liking. Grade B-

1.01 - Chris Johnson, TEN, RB1

7.01 - Thomas Jones, FA, RB31

8.16 - Ryan Matthews, ®, RB42

13.01 - Brian Westbrook, FA, RB54

18.16 - Leonard Weaver, PHI, RB72

I'm having a hard time here. Jones could be a wasted pick. Matthews is moving up the boards. I would be nice for Rody if the jets selected him. Westbrook might not play, but Weaver should provide some weekly points. I think you took way too many risks at this position when you already have one and a half RBs in CJ production. Solely on CJ's strength, B+.

4.16 - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR23

5.01 - Hines Ward, PIT, WR24

6.16 - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR38

9.01 - James Jones, GB, WR51

10.16 - Johnny Knox, CHI, WR60

19.01 - Harry Douglas, ATL, WR90

I don't like Maclin as a WR1. You have too many weeks with little production. I see the same theme with Britt, Jones, Knox, and Douglas. Ward may be your only consistant producer and he's starting to get up there in age. Some weeks this group will post some of the best WR scores, other weeks you'll be scrambling for points. Grade D

2.16 - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE4

11.01 - Fred Davis, WAS, TE23

20.16 - Rob Gronkowski, ®,TE36

You got your stud and a couple of questions marks. I think another WR would have been a better pick than Gronkowski. Grade B.

14.16 - Neil Rackers, ARI, K6

15.01 - Robbie Gould, CHI, K7

Two kickers on teams that should score and job security. Grade A-

16.16 - Jaguars, JAC, D26

17.01 - Rams, STL, D27

Two lower teir Ds. Grade D

Overall, while I like a majority of the individual selections in a vacuum, I don't think this team comes together as a good survivor unit. I can see you making a run at immunity one week and on the chopping block the next. The only sure number one options on their team at the skill positions are Rivers, CJ, Ward (over holmes?), Britt (with VY), Gonzo. That's five out of sixteen. A huge risk when you're only carrying one starting QB. My grade of a B- based on talent gets reduced based on these issues. Grade C.

 

[BassNBrew]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

 

[BassNBrew]

Ruffrody - do you regret the Rivers/Gonzo picks at the 2/3 turn? I went Rivers in the second round in league one and it sent my draft into a tailspin. Would you do anything differently?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrody - do you regret the Rivers/Gonzo picks at the 2/3 turn? I went Rivers in the second round in league one and it sent my draft into a tailspin. Would you do anything differently?

Thanks for your analysis of my team. You were more gracious than I am going to be when I finally post my own grade. I always struggle in WSL. Having the #1 pick didn't really help me at all and I prefer to be smack dab in the middle of these drafts. Less chance to miss out on certain targeted players when you pick on a regular basis instead of every 32 picks.To answer your question, YES, I immediately regretted the 2/3 turn picks. While I am happy with the Rivers selection, I am really questioning going Gonzo over Finley here. In hindsight I think I should have taken Finley. My picks at the 4/5 turn of Maclin and Ward weren't really my picks per se. I was having laptop issues and couldn't get online so one of my good buddies picked for me. While I probably wouldn't have taken either of these guys, I cannot complain because he made sure I didn't time out and he gave me 2 decent WR's.After that I was just trying to recover and I really lost all control of what I was trying to accomplish. Yeah, picking Rivers that early at that high of a draft position was probably not the brightest move on my part. I would have been better off waiting on a QB and TE. My WR corp really suffered because of it.I knew I wanted to get Matthews in at least one of these survivors this year. I realize I took him early to make sure I got him. BTW, did you notice how most rookies were going off the board much earlier in this draft than the other WSL's. I felt I needed to get ahead of the herd if I wanted to select him. Plus, now that he had a good showing at the combine, coupled with Waldman's position on him, I doubt Matthews lasts as long in the PDSL's. People are beginning to see this kid has what it takes.As far as selecting a WR with my last pick, I don't know. You're probably right in that I could have done without a 3rd TE, but I thought I should take another flier on a rookie who I think has a good chance to succeed right out of the gate. Any way, I really didn't think adding another WR would help my team much at this point because, as you indicated, this team isn't made for a long survivor run. In fact, if it gets into the bye weeks I'll be very surprised.After screwing the pooch on this one I am anxious to start PDSL's.......hopefully I'll land in a more fortuitous draft slot.Again, thanks for the surprisingly generous grading of my team.

 

[Toads]

FUBAR goes for the new logo and lays out the "Hindsight" analysis. In retrospect, consider keeping the old logo and don't look back. You don't get mulligans in this deal; they just reside on other guys rosters.

I'll go back to the old logo after the TV draft is rolled up, it's an inside joke over there. Part of the reason for posting hindsight picks is seeing how we could improve and whether the immediate hindsight actually is better than the original pick, it very well might not be.

What it boils down to is a narrowed field of focus, like a camera aperature. Each pick is a function of all the factors: you usually identify a player position and then access the options. If you have the luxury of selecting from multiple position, then your retrospective works out and is worth considering.My experience is that there may be several "forks in the road" that lead to making a selection but every selection starts with the basic premise of comparing relative player position valuses off against the values at other positions....unless there's a run. If that's the case, the player position is determined....like a clearing pick at PK or DEF.Major forks in the road are (or should be) determined by the Draft Plan (or Draft Philosophy), an example being "Avoid By-Week conflicts" or I'm going to do X, Y and Z to address the TE scoring emphasis.First is the Plan, second is the player position, third is the player drafted. By doing a "Hindsight Analysis" you are usually playing off comparisions within player position groups: like "....who's the best WR left". It looks to me like you what you are doing in your hindsight analysis is playing off different player positions against each other....working that angle.So, my point here is that if your plan is flawed within the scope of the competition then you are doomed. If you are not considering bye week conflicts (before and after they are known) or you are not considering the stastical probabilities of the scoring system (roster composition analysis, TE scoring bias, etc.) you are domed.Check out BNB's notes about drafting one PK last year and how he took the risk that that one PK (Vinateri) would not fall to injury. His kicker was injured and he still managed to advance pretty far in that competition. That doesn't mean that the concept was flawed, it just means that it was part of his plan.If you are going to do Hindsight analysis, let's talk about elements of the plan (for 20 man rosters vs. 18 man rosters) for a start.What are the elements of the plan?

 

[Toads]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

I'd be honored by your contribution.I admire your perspectives.

Your "dos centavos" is appreciated....etc.

Yes: the contribution level is way different here than in WSL-#2 where guys spent a fair amount of time contributing.

I spent last year learning the ropes and I'm trying to spent this year balancing on them. I think that the most fruitful discussions come from examining basis Draft Plans/Philosophies and I believe that a successful approach is based on the plan implemented from the draft postion drawn.

I even went so far as to examine the different draft positions in the off-season to find who took what player positions when. For example: if Crippler seems to move forward from any draft position, what did he do in the #4 slot from the standpoint of player position selection from that spot because I drew the #4 spot twice last year. I tried to find out who advanced from the #4 draft position, what their final roster mix was, what philosophies seemed to prevail, etc. Now you can do that kind of analysis for any draft position but it's easier to do it by defined blocks....for instance, nothing seemed to work for the #11 spot in the order and that was an interesting conclusion: what to do when you draw eleven, how to mix it up to arrive at a ghost of a chance of fielding a good team?

Every draft is different and every draft has it's balance curve: WR's and RB's usually run about even until the WR's begin to pull away. That WR curve was virtually the same between WSL #2 and #4....there were 106 WR's drafted in #2 and 104 drafted in WSL #4. The similarities were scary as the #80 WR fell at the 14.12 pick in both drafts and the WR's either side of that were within a couple of draft slots either way of being identical.

What that tells me is that the philosophies make the difference: what player position is taken when from each draft slot is a key to success and all that is a matter of record.....it's just a matter of time untill each philosophy is placed under the magnifying glass to determine which is the best from each draft slot.

 

[BassNBrew]

I knew I wanted to get Matthews in at least one of these survivors this year. I realize I took him early to make sure I got him. BTW, did you notice how most rookies were going off the board much earlier in this draft than the other WSL's. I felt I needed to get ahead of the herd if I wanted to select him. Plus, now that he had a good showing at the combine, coupled with Waldman's position on him, I doubt Matthews lasts as long in the PDSL's. People are beginning to see this kid has what it takes.

Regarding the rookies. Pre-combine I hadn't heard of most of these guys. Now everyone has 40 times to look at and mocks are starting to appear. Combine that with the release of LT/Jones/etc and the hype begins. Personally I don't think they're worth the risk in survivor leagues especially prior to knowing where their going to land. In a standard league I can wait on them to develop and start someone else. In a survivor league guys like Crabtree, Wells, Greene, and Brown could have doomed you early in the season if you didn't have a contingency plan in place. Wells had five sub 5 point games to start the season last year. I know I'm not good at evaluating the rookie talent prior to seeing the play in the big leagues so I shy away. Some guys are better and see what a CJ can do early on and can benfit. Heck, even CJ had 5 sub 10 pt ppr games in his rookie year.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys05

3.01 - Philip Rivers, SD, QB5

12.16 - Jimmy Clausen, ®, QB34

Happy with Rivers, for now……..Clausen is a wildcard and I should have taken another QB. Never did though because by the time I took Clausen there wasn’t much left to get even remotely excited about. With Rivers’ propensity to have a couple of down weeks each year this position is only average to below-average in strength compared to other WSL4 teams.

Grade: C-

1.01 - Chris Johnson, TEN, RB1

7.01 - Thomas Jones, FA, RB31

8.16 - Ryan Matthews, ®, RB42

13.01 - Brian Westbrook, FA, RB54

18.16 - Leonard Weaver, PHI, RB72

Yea, I have Chris Johnson! What a mess this position is. Really have to hope both Jones and Westbrook find new homes where they can at least be semi-productive on a weekly basis. Otherwise this position is the doom and gloom of team Ruffrodys. Weaver was a nice addition that should yield some production. I like Matthews a lot and if he lands on the right team he could be the most productive rookie RB this year. As I posted above, I felt if I wanted him badly enough I needed to draft him where I did. He was not going to make it back around.

Grade: C+

4.16 - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR23

5.01 - Hines Ward, PIT, WR24

6.16 - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR38

9.01 - James Jones, GB, WR51

10.16 - Johnny Knox, CHI, WR60

19.01 - Harry Douglas, ATL, WR90

Wow, I really messed up another position here. I don’t know what to say that won’t sound like I’m sugar coating it. This group could fare well or just lay a big fat egg – every week the team remains alive. I’m guessing on the latter and that there won’t be too many weeks in which it does survive.

Grade: D+

2.16 - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE4

11.01 - Fred Davis, WAS, TE23

20.16 - Rob Gronkowski, ®,TE36

I took Gonzo because I wanted a top TE that was consistent. Probably should have gone with Finley if I needed to take a TE so early. Davis,…meh. He will help only if Cooley goes down again. Gronkowski was a TOTAL flier.

Grade: C-

14.16 - Neil Rackers, ARI, K6

15.01 - Robbie Gould, CHI, K7

Two solid K’s entrenched as starters not likely to lose their jobs.

Grade: A

16.16 - Jaguars, JAC, D26

17.01 - Rams, STL, D27

Didn’t really care which D’s I got, but in hindsight I should have taken the Browns somewhere here due to the Cribbs factor. In fact I had been contemplating drafting Cleveland and then just forgot when I actually made my picks. The Browns were the next D chosen.

Grade: D+

Overall Grade: D+

This team is most likely one of the worst teams I have ever drafted. If it survives through Week 1, I’ll be freakin’ happy!

 

[Uruk-Hai]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

You can rip me to shreds if you have time. It'll be awhile before I can get to my own writeup.TIA

 

[BassNBrew]

Toads

6.02 - Brett Favre, MIN, QB14

9.15 - Kyle Orton, DEN, QB26

14.02 - Tarvaris Jackson, MIN, QB35

Two grades here, one if Favre is back and one if he hangs 'em up. The Tarvaris handcuff was a very wise move. I think Orton sticks so you have a decent backup. Grade B w/ Favre, Grade D w/o Favre.

3.15 - Ryan Grant, GB, RB17

4.02 - Pierre Thomas, NO, RB18

10.02 - Willis McGahee, BAL, RB45

17.15 - Jason Snelling, ATL, RB66

Two guys who should be weak RB1s and a couple of backups to post points during bye weeks. Your team is starting to mirror Punk's. Your RB strength is roughly equal to serveral other teams. You have a little better top end talent, but they spent a lot of capital on depth to even things back up. Grade B-

2.02 - Miles Austin, DAL, WR7

5.15 - Derrick Mason, BAL, WR30

8.02 - Mike Wallace, PIT, WR44

11.15 - Nate Washington, TEN, WR67

13.15 - Jabar Gaffney, DEN, WR78

18.02 - Brian Hartline, MIA, WR83

19.15 - Jason Avant, PHI, WR94

Austin will match almost everyone drafted before him except for AJ. I'm not a fan of the Mason pick, but I've been wrong about that for years. Wallace/Washington/Gaffney will combine to be an OK WR3. I don't see anything worng with your WRs, just like at least half of the other teams WRs better. Grade C-

1.15 - Dallas Clark, IND, TE2

7.15 - Visanthe Shiancoe, MIN, TE16

You drafted either TE 1 or 1A. Shiancoe is a great backup. You probably overspent here, but still get a Grade A+.

15.15 - Adam Vinatieri, IND, K16

One dependable kicker. Opps...scratch that after my experience last year. I wish you better luck. Grade D-

12.02 - Eagles, PHI, D4

16.02 - Bengals, CIN, D19

20.02 - Buccaneers, TB, D31

One top end D and two more to contribute to the mix. I like this approach and it should more than counter the lag at kicker. Grade A+

If Favre is back, this team is a contender. Farve/Clark/Austin and two good RBs will carry you a long way. This is one of those teams where the whole = more than the sum of the parts. Looks like average grade C talent relative to the league but the way it's piece together puts it in the upper half. There are risks, but they appear to be calculated and part of a plan, not just a shotgun approach. I'd much rather see a more talented WR in the mix opposed to the overkill at TE. I went back and looked at the draft trying to use hindsight to improve your team and the pieces weren't there to do much better. Grade B-

 

[menobrown]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

You can rip me to shreds if you have time. It'll be awhile before I can get to my own writeup.TIA

Pretty much the same for me but wait until I do my writeup before tearing into my team. I just want to add my 2 cents first before the team gets ripped up. Writeup should be today or tomorrow. I don't imagine a lot has changed to the general thought behind my team since round 12 when it was thought that my RB's and TE's were solid and my QB's and WR's were weak links.

 

[Gamma1210]

4.04 - Ben Roethlisberger, PIT, QB8

9.13 - Matt Cassell, KC, QB25

18.04 - Josh Johnson, TB, QB36

Ben is a good anchor here, and with KC improving, Cassell may score for me on more then Ben's bye. Johnson was a flyer, but I think he has talent and is worth it in the 19th.

2.04 - DeAngelo Williams, CAR, RB10

7.13 - Clinton Portis, WAS, RB37

11.13 - Tashard Choice, DAL, RB51

14.04 - Bernard Scott, CIN, RB58

17.13 - Jerious Norwood, ATL, RB64

I don't know why Williams was falling so much in the WSLs, theres no reason the split won't be the same and Williams will contend for top 5 again. After that its a mess. I think Choice/Norwood should have a big game or two each which might give me a servicable RB2 if the wheels fall off Portis.

1.13 - Larry Fitzgerald, ARI, WR4

3.13 - Chad Ochocinco, CIN, WR17

6.04 - TJ Houshmandzadeh, SEA, WR31

8.04 - Dez Bryant, ®, WR46

13.13 - Louis Murphy, OAK, WR77

20.04 - Brian Robiskie, CLE, WR99

Really like my top 5 here. Murphy is underrated in OAK, at least he can catch. Fitz/Ocho are a top notch combo and as long as Dez doesn't pull a Crabtree I think he and Housh give me top half WR3 scoring. The strength of my team for sure, and in a start 3 PPR I will take this group any time.

5.13 - Greg Olsen, CHI, TE10

10.04 - Tony Scheffler, DEN, TE20

Two huge risks with upside. I really wanted a more consistent TE1, but as usual they were flying off the board. I actually like Scheffler as a TE2, but I am relying on Martz to not kill the TE like he has done everywhere else. I'm not optimistic.

15.13 - Kris Brown, HOU, K15

19.13 - Billy Cundiff, BAL, K31

Brown should produce enough here. I think HOU puts up a lot of points and Brown finishes top 10.

12.04 - Packers, GB, D5

16.04 - Panthers, CAR, D20

CAR is underrated here and I like my pair. I just need to keep hoping for the big plays from the GB Def.

Overall I'm not totally happy with my team with all of the holes it has, but if I can score even under average at TE and if I can work in a RB2 I think I can go far. My WRs will carry me some weeks on their own.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

please have it bass.....I respect your thoughts...I know how you feel about rookies at this point in the year, so that should make it pretty easy on you.....I will try to comment on soe other drafts in the next few days.....tia for your time....

 

[BassNBrew]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

please have it bass.....I respect your thoughts...I know how you feel about rookies at this point in the year, so that should make it pretty easy on you.....I will try to comment on soe other drafts in the next few days.....tia for your time....

Get your popcorn ready....Stinkin Ref3.10 - Matt Schaub, HOU, QB64.07 - Donovan McNabb, PHI, QB10I'll peg this duo as the second best tandem in the league behind Crippler's Rodgers/Palmer pairing. If it wasn't the chatter, which is likely baseless, about mcNabb being dealt I would probably have this pair on top. Grade A5.10 - Jerome Harrison, CLE, RB267.10 - Jonathan Dwyer, ®, RB359.10 - Laurence Maroney, NE, RB4410.07 - Cadillac Williams, TB, RB49 13.10 - Joe McKnight, ®, RB5616.07 - Willie Parker, PIT, RB60I really don't know where to go here. If Harrison flashes in 09 become common, you could be loaded at RB. Harrison was an excellent risk in the 5th. Caddy was a steal where you got him. Bailed you out for waiting on RB. Maroney should score for you on occasion. Despite a crowded aged back field this year he posted decent weeks. While I'm not a huge fan of rookie mania, it does have it's place. When you can go deep at a position and have some established vets to provide scoring until the rookies find their wings, then they can be solid choices. By locking up two good QBs early and making use of the vet RBs falling, you did well here going for a homerun in Dwyer or Mcknight. I going to give you a C- grade here, but will note that I think that is more likely you floor and the probability is high that you exceed this mark.1.10 - Randy Moss, NE, WR36.07 - Terrell Owens, BUF, WR358.07 - Devin Aromashodu, CHI, WR4711.10 - Mario Manningham, NYG, WR6512.07 - Demaryius Thomas, ®, WR7219.10 - Damian Williams, ®, WR93I'll grade this group out higher than most because I think MM was one of the best picks of the draft. I coveted both him and Aromashodu. I expect moss to be a monster again this year and proferm like a 1.5xWR1s. If TO ends up in the right spot he'll be a good WR2 that only cost you a WR3 pick. I think you were close to deep enough to roll the rookie dice again, although I would like to see one more WR on the roster. There's a group of five or so teams vying for the 3-7 ranking range. Grade B+2.07 - Jason Witten, DAL, TE314.07 - Aaron Hernandez, ®, TE31This year I want Gates/Clark or Witten on my team. I see him as a value at 2.7. Personally think the Hernandez pick was a total waste. Based on the history of rookie TEs, he'll never socre for you. If you were looking for injury protection or bye week filler, a guy like Scaife or some other 2 for 25 guy would have been fine. Nelson or Gibson would have looked nice here. In lieu of that, grabbing a stud kicker or defense to roll solo and waiting on Hernandez and adding a WR late would have made your team stronger. Grade B+15.10 - Matt Prater, DEN, K1317.10 - Olindo Mare, SEA, K25Two weaker kickers that should be on a roster. Grade C-18.07 - Raiders, OAK, D3020.07 - Lions, DET, D32Just because you got two and no one really can predict Defense ff points, I'll bump you from an F+ to a Grade D.Overall I like this team. There are a couple of hindsight tweaks that would make it look better on paper. In this case I think the rookies are an asset as you aren't 100% relying on them to carry you at a position from day one. I don't see any huge holes and I see some heavy firepower at the top end that should rack up an immunity or two for you. You may struggle early in the year but there should be enough marginal teams around to provide you cover. Overall a solid team with upside for contention. Grade B

 

[BassNBrew]

Ruffrodys05

3.01 - Philip Rivers, SD, QB5

12.16 - Jimmy Clausen, ®, QB34

Happy with Rivers, for now……..Clausen is a wildcard and I should have taken another QB. Never did though because by the time I took Clausen there wasn’t much left to get even remotely excited about. With Rivers’ propensity to have a couple of down weeks each year this position is only average to below-average in strength compared to other WSL4 teams.

Grade: C-

1.01 - Chris Johnson, TEN, RB1

7.01 - Thomas Jones, FA, RB31

8.16 - Ryan Matthews, ®, RB42

13.01 - Brian Westbrook, FA, RB54

18.16 - Leonard Weaver, PHI, RB72

Yea, I have Chris Johnson! What a mess this position is. Really have to hope both Jones and Westbrook find new homes where they can at least be semi-productive on a weekly basis. Otherwise this position is the doom and gloom of team Ruffrodys. Weaver was a nice addition that should yield some production. I like Matthews a lot and if he lands on the right team he could be the most productive rookie RB this year. As I posted above, I felt if I wanted him badly enough I needed to draft him where I did. He was not going to make it back around.

Grade: C+

4.16 - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR23

5.01 - Hines Ward, PIT, WR24

6.16 - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR38

9.01 - James Jones, GB, WR51

10.16 - Johnny Knox, CHI, WR60

19.01 - Harry Douglas, ATL, WR90

Wow, I really messed up another position here. I don’t know what to say that won’t sound like I’m sugar coating it. This group could fare well or just lay a big fat egg – every week the team remains alive. I’m guessing on the latter and that there won’t be too many weeks in which it does survive.

Grade: D+

2.16 - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE4

11.01 - Fred Davis, WAS, TE23

20.16 - Rob Gronkowski, ®,TE36

I took Gonzo because I wanted a top TE that was consistent. Probably should have gone with Finley if I needed to take a TE so early. Davis,…meh. He will help only if Cooley goes down again. Gronkowski was a TOTAL flier.

Grade: C-

14.16 - Neil Rackers, ARI, K6

15.01 - Robbie Gould, CHI, K7

Two solid K’s entrenched as starters not likely to lose their jobs.

Grade: A

16.16 - Jaguars, JAC, D26

17.01 - Rams, STL, D27

Didn’t really care which D’s I got, but in hindsight I should have taken the Browns somewhere here due to the Cribbs factor. In fact I had been contemplating drafting Cleveland and then just forgot when I actually made my picks. The Browns were the next D chosen.

Grade: D+

Overall Grade: D+

This team is most likely one of the worst teams I have ever drafted. If it survives through Week 1, I’ll be freakin’ happy!

I think your being a little hard on yourself here and not giving enough recognition to your top end talent. CJ is already 1.5x most everyone else's RB1. River's low last year was roughly 15 points, he was near or over 20 pt 11 times. If you dodge the bye week you're good to go. Gonzo alone puts you in the upper half of the teams at TE, having any depth elevates that into B territory. He was a double digit 20+ point a week guy...ditto CJ. Between those three you'll average 60+ points a week. You dig up 50 points between the other 6 positons and you're at 110 which is good enough to survive deep into the year. I suspect there will be a week or two where those 3 alone will keep you out of the cellar.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Uruk-Hai

2.15 - Tom Brady, NE, QB4

12.15 - Marc Bulger, STL, QB33

I’ve got to admit, I’ve never been a fan of Brady’s. At the same time I also must admit he has proved me wrong for many a fantasy season. Even so, I just don’t foresee him being any more than a top 7-10 QB at best…….especially with the loss of Welker for possibly half the upcoming season and the inconsistencies of Moss (+ Moss’ age and my perceived lack of desire on his part.) Bulger, in my mind, won’t even register a snap next season even if he is on a NFL team.

Grade: B-

1.02 - Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB2

7.02 - Darren McFadden, OAK, RB32

8.15 - Donald Brown, IND, RB41

9.02 - Ricky Williams, MIA, RB43

18.15 - Kevin Faulk, NE, RB71

Here we have another team with limited upside after the initial RB pick (Peterson.) McFadden blows in my opinion and is in no way qualified as a RB2. Brown should accomplish this for you for about half of the weeks you are alive. The other half will be covered by Williams. Faulk will be a non-factor every week this year.

Grade: C-

3.02 - Steve Smith, NYG, WR13

4.15 - Wes Welker, NE, WR22

5.02 - Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ, WR25

10.15 - Andre Caldwell, CIN, WR59

11.02 - Devin Thomas, WAS, WR61

17.02 - Mark Clayton, BAL, WR81

20.15 - Patrick Crayton, DAL, WR104

I am torn here with this collection of WR’s. Any other year I would say you got a steal with Welker in the 4th. This year I think it’s too big of a risk, especially as your WR2, if that is in fact what you were planning to get out of him. I’m not sold on Smith from the Giants being a top 16 WR either, so that puts in question his WR1 status. Between Cotch, Caldwell and Clayton you should get serviceable WR 2/3 production, but nothing extraordinary. Thomas and Clayton may contribute occasionally if not only sporadically.

Grade: C+ Tried to go higher here but just couldn’t justify it.

6.15 - Heath Miller, PIT, TE12

13.02 - Anthony Fasano, MIA, TE27

(Personal opinion only but) I just don’t like Miller to be top 16 this season…….it likely has to do with my distaste for Roethlisberger as a fantasy player.

Grade: D

15.02 - Lawrence Tynes, NYG, K8

19.02 - Josh Scobee, JAC, K29

Tynes was a surprise last year that will likely continue to produce at a high rate. Scobee is serviceable for odd off weeks by Tynes and bye week coverage (provided they aren’t the same.)

Grade: B+

14.15 - Colts, IND, D13

16.15 - Falcons, ATL, D25

Colts need help defensively and so do the Falcons. Depending on their 2010 draft selections either of these D’s could move up and become viable fantasy D’s this year…….but until then…….

Grade: C Average at best for Colts.

Overall Grade: C+

 

[Pickle Rody]

Hey guys, I gotta confess......I'm not really good at these team ratings initially after the drafts have finished. If I look back, which I haven't, I'm pretty sure I've gotten most of them wrong over the years. Mostly about my own team when I thought it was better than it actually was, but I'm sure I thought other teams would not survive long yet lasted plenty of weeks.

I'm going to continue to grade each team, if you guys don't mind, and see what shakes out. Please feel free to comment on my thoughts. All discussion is welcome.

 

[Gamma1210]

Hey guys, I gotta confess......I'm not really good at these team ratings initially after the drafts have finished. If I look back, which I haven't, I'm pretty sure I've gotten most of them wrong over the years. Mostly about my own team when I thought it was better than it actually was, but I'm sure I thought other teams would not survive long yet lasted plenty of weeks.I'm going to continue to grade each team, if you guys don't mind, and see what shakes out. Please feel free to comment on my thoughts. All discussion is welcome.

Anyone feel free to comment on my team. I posted my review and I will try to writeup some others.

 

[Pickle Rody]

BassNBrew

6.14 - Matt Leinart, ARI, QB16

8.14 - David Garrard, JAC, QB20

9.03 - Alex Smith, SF, QB21

I honestly think Alex Smith carries this team at the QB position for 2010, which is amazing considering you got him in the 9th round as your 3rd QB. Both Leinart and Garrard are serviceable QB2’s IMO. I could be wrong, but I’d bet I’m not.

Grade:C-

1.03 - Ray Rice, BAL, RB3

5.03 - Felix Jones, DAL, RB23

7.03 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB33

18.14 - LenDale White, TEN, RB70

Rice is a goldmine and I seriously considered him at 1.01 (as well as Peterson, sorry I didn’t mention it earlier Uruk-Hai.) If Chris Johnson produces at 1.5x then Rice produces at 1.35. He is not the issue with this RB corp. It is the 2 Dallas RB’s. These two will not compensate at RB2 all year. LenDale was a wasted pick. Truly, where does he land where he gets enough weekly points to matter?

Grade: C On the basis of Rice being phenomenal. Not enough depth.

2.14 - DeSean Jackson, PHI, WR12

3.03 - Sidney Rice, MIN, WR14

4.14 - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR21

11.03 - Nate Burleson, SEA, WR62

13.03 - Josh Morgan, SF, WR73

19.03 - Legedu Naanee, SD, WR91

The strong point of this team. Jackson, Rice and Bowe are the strongest top WR3 combo in this league IMO. I have no love for Burleson or Morgan but the strength of the top three plus Naanee will help propel this group into the upper echelon.

Grade: A

10.14 - Todd Heap, BAL, TE22

17.03 - Dante Rosario, CAR, TE33

20.14 - Bo Scaife, TEN, TE35

Whew. What a mess. Scaife saved you.

Grade: B-

14.14 - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, K5

15.03 - Ryan Longwell, MIN, K9

Great K’s

Grade: A

12.14 - Cowboys, DAL, D7

16.14 - Seahawks, SEA, D24

Meh. Serviceable.

Grade: C-

Overall Grade: B-

One of the top 4 teams this year. No doubt.

 

[FUBAR]

What are the elements of the plan?

plan? what plan?

 

[FUBAR]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

have at it

 

[HellToupee]

If anyone else wants me to grade out their team leave a post here. Based on the lack of enthusism from some in the draft and lack of chatter here, it's probably not worth the effort to do all of the teams.

Feel free to do my team . I have thick skin so you can be brutally honest.

 

[BassNBrew]

It is the 2 Dallas RB’s. These two will not compensate at RB2 all year. LenDale was a wasted pick. Truly, where does he land where he gets enough weekly points to matter?I have no love for Burleson or Morgan but the strength of the top three plus Naanee will help propel this group into the upper echelon.

If any has any issues with my comments, please feel free to chime in. I'd love an education on strategy or why I'm undervaluing someone.Ruffrody, I have two questions for you.What am I missing on the Dallas tandem? Last year Barber finished around RB23 with only 7 rushing TDs, which puts him solidly at RB2. Jones performed as a RB3 last year. Do you expect the split to be so precise this year that I'll end up with two guys who perform as a strong RB3 every week? Last year both RBs had several very good weeks. I think the system in Dallas is strong and either can be successful...hence I covered both bases.Let's talk Burleson. Last year he was finished 34th. I picked him up somewhere around the 50th+ WR selected. Why do you expect a significant drop off?

 

[FUBAR]

Let's talk Burleson. Last year he was finished 34th. I picked him up somewhere around the 50th+ WR selected. Why do you expect a significant drop off?

As a Burleson owner in another league I'm also curious. I happen to like Butler's potential a lot but Burleson is a decent part of this passing attack - if we can call it that.

 

[Crippler]

Thanks Bass for your time

Now for mistakes

1st round. No mistake. I played safe. After the top 4 RB's I see a bunch of guys not much better than guys in the 4th. Fitz, Moss could have been taken just as easily

2nd round. No mistake. 16 team league you need QB and I got one of the best.

3rd round. I wanted Finley but he did not drop. I love Boldin and feel he will do well no matter where he ends up. He wont be in Arizona but that might be a good thing with Leinart there

4th round. No mistake. I wanted Beanie but I do like Addai in a good O. I did not see anything from Brown to think he will impact much more next year. Really happy to get RB like this in the 4th.

5th round. Reggie. Okay this is where things might get dicey. If healthy I like in PPR but that is a big if. I like him more than Pierre in the end though. Brown would have been okay but injury and age there also. I dont think harrison or Bradshaw are even close. Zach Miller was the pick until he went the pick before

6th round: No mistake. I saw a big dropoff after Palmer with what was left. I had to grab as I feel QB is very important

7th round. No mistake. TE is also important and I like Keller, Feel him and Sanchez will be good together and happy to get him here. Not bad for waiting on a position I should not have. He was my 2nd pick for 6th if I did not get Palmer as I left a list

8th round. LT. I still think he has some in the tank and I wanted him. Maybe I went a little early here. Brown would have given me insurance but I am after more. Some might call this a mistake though but I truly believe. Looking back I thought I could get james Jones later than he went so I wish I had him. I dont like going rookie RB unless you feel you get far. Beanie did help me last year to make it to the finals of PDSL and I know I scored well over in WSL

9th round Pettigrew. Maybe I should have gone Shockey but you cant win without a little swing and this could be it. Needed another TE in the end and saw value later on

10th round. Malcolm Floyd. No miss here and really happy with this pick even though it was suppose to be Jones but he was long gone

11th round/ Berrian. No mistake. Very happy and hope Brett comes back. Berrian will provide me numbers for a few games

12th round: Early Doucet. Okay if I go WR in 8th and maybe grab Bernard here. Is my team in better shape, Not sure. I was impressed with Doucet in playoffs and feel he fills the Boldin role way more than Breaston does who is better as a stetcher. Plus my throw WR against the wall and hope to get some numbers at this point since I went so long without some

13th round: D. I dont have a clue. Will this D be even good. Might have been better off waiting and taking Kelly or Gerhart

14th/15th round. I wanted 2 solid PK's in the end. PK is so finicky and you could have none easy. Not going to happen here. Packer homer for Crosby

16th round: Bills D. They seem to score some TD's from DB's each year. Leodis will be back. Who knows in the end. Clayton/Tate or a RB might have done the trick also

17th round: Julius Jones. He sucks but might still see some carries. Listed as a starter. The risk was worth it at this point

18th round. OKay I lost a little interest at this point and the rest of the draft was mistakes. Should have gone White here and got Dillard later since he was not even taken in a draft. Blount was probably a #### pick also and rather White/Snelling/Weaver in the end. Jenkins was a muff also with lack of interest and he might have been better than Holt but ready to count Torry out yet. Damn Mushy is 36 and still going. Worst part of draft

Not alot I would change in the end but a few things. All depends on where you draft and what falls. Some players went earlier than I thought but I like all my picks early where I draft can only be lost

13th round

 

[menobrown]

Let's talk Burleson. Last year he was finished 34th. I picked him up somewhere around the 50th+ WR selected. Why do you expect a significant drop off?

As a Burleson owner in another league I'm also curious. I happen to like Butler's potential a lot but Burleson is a decent part of this passing attack - if we can call it that.

I'm not sure what it will end up doing to his value but I don't think Burleson is going to be a part of the Seattle passing attack any longer. Unless I'm forgetting someone he is probably the most desirable UFA WR available in FA so he's got a great chance to get seriously overpaid by someone.

 

[FUBAR]

Let's talk Burleson. Last year he was finished 34th. I picked him up somewhere around the 50th+ WR selected. Why do you expect a significant drop off?

As a Burleson owner in another league I'm also curious. I happen to like Butler's potential a lot but Burleson is a decent part of this passing attack - if we can call it that.

I'm not sure what it will end up doing to his value but I don't think Burleson is going to be a part of the Seattle passing attack any longer. Unless I'm forgetting someone he is probably the most desirable UFA WR available in FA so he's got a great chance to get seriously overpaid by someone.

Honestly, I don't see leaving hurting his value.

 

[BassNBrew]

Let's talk Burleson. Last year he was finished 34th. I picked him up somewhere around the 50th+ WR selected. Why do you expect a significant drop off?

As a Burleson owner in another league I'm also curious. I happen to like Butler's potential a lot but Burleson is a decent part of this passing attack - if we can call it that.

I'm not sure what it will end up doing to his value but I don't think Burleson is going to be a part of the Seattle passing attack any longer. Unless I'm forgetting someone he is probably the most desirable UFA WR available in FA so he's got a great chance to get seriously overpaid by someone.

Wow, I didn't even realize that. That's why i like these drafts.Maybe he'll end up New England.

 

[BassNBrew]

TC

2.10 - Peyton Manning, IND, QB3

12.10 - Brady Quinn, CLE, QB32

20.10 - Curtis Painter, IND, QB38

You can basically pencil in Manning as a lock for top 5. He'll give you top 3 production in the games he plays. Quinn should get the nod in Clev. Painter might save you if you make it to the championship. Grade B

1.07 - Michael Turner, ATL, RB6

3.07 - Cedric Benson, CIN, RB14

4.10 - Shonn Greene, NYJ, RB21

17.07 - Fred Taylor, NE, RB62

19.07 - Mike Bell, NO, RB74

Not sure I would have gone five deep here. I think you have two RB1s in Turner and Greene (Greene was a steal at 4.10). Benson is borderline RB1/2 material. I would love to hear your thoughts on Taylor as I think it's a wasted pick. We'll see how you expenditures here impact the rest of your draft. Grade A/A+

6.10 - Chris Chambers, KC, WR36

7.07 - Eddie Royal, DEN, WR40

8.10 - Roy Williams, DAL, WR48

9.07 - Ted Ginn Jr. MIA, WR53

10.10 - Anthony Gonzalez, IND, WR58

13.07 - Earl Bennett, CHI, WR75

Wow you waited on Wr and it shows. Chambers as your WR1 will be a disaster. I'm very high on Royal and think he'll exceed expectations. After that you have a bunch of question marks, albeit with big upside. I really like the Gonzo pick and think he'll score in many weeks for you. Probably the best WR5 in the league. ROY/Ginn/Bennett...who really knows, could be gems, could be worthless. Grade D

5.07 - Zach Miller, OAK, TE9

16.10 - David Thomas, NO, TE32

A middle of the road TE1 and TE2. I think Thomas exceeds his draft position and has excellent value as a guy who could occasionally best you decent TE in Miller. Grade C

14.10 - Rob Bironas, TEN, K4

18.10 - Conner Hughes, DAL, K28

If Hughes sticks you will be at a Grade C. For now you get a Grade D+.

11.07 - Jets, NYJ, D2

15.07 - Dolphins, MIA, D15

Probably the easiest ranking yet. 3rd best set of D's. Grade A-.

Overall I expect this team to contend if your WRs pan out. If they don't, you still have enough firepower to hang around for a long time. You could have greatly helped you chances of success by passing on 2 of 4 picks Painter/Hughes/Taylor/Bell and gone 8 deep at WR. Strong picks and scooping up value throughout the draft mostly covers this lapse. Grade B.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

I'd love someone to give me an honest opinion of my team. I'm working on one but I think its a little bias.

 

[BassNBrew]

Gamma1210

4.04 - Ben Roethlisberger, PIT, QB8

9.13 - Matt Cassell, KC, QB25

18.04 - Josh Johnson, TB, QB36

Don't see how Johnson helps you with Roth and Cassell on board. Pretty average QB1 and QB2. Grade C.

2.04 - DeAngelo Williams, CAR, RB10

7.13 - Clinton Portis, WAS, RB37

11.13 - Tashard Choice, DAL, RB51

14.04 - Bernard Scott, CIN, RB58

17.13 - Jerious Norwood, ATL, RB64

I agree with you the Williams was a steal, then again I'm a homer. Your sucess in this league is probably tied to Portis. If he produces you have slightly above average backs. If he doesn't, Choice/Scott/Norwood aren't going to combine for decent RB2 numbers and may not even help much on bye weeks. The problem with your group as a whole is that with Williams as you top line guy, he'll have several weeks where Stewart cuts deeply into his numbers. You don't have any depth that will contribute on a regular basis. Grade C-/D+

1.13 - Larry Fitzgerald, ARI, WR4

3.13 - Chad Ochocinco, CIN, WR17

6.04 - TJ Houshmandzadeh, SEA, WR31

8.04 - Dez Bryant, ®, WR46

13.13 - Louis Murphy, OAK, WR77

20.04 - Brian Robiskie, CLE, WR99

Definately the strength of this team. Your above average at WR1/2/3. Bryant is the perfect roll of the dice with your top end talent. Murphy and Robiske should post scores when the bye weeks come up. Grade B+

5.13 - Greg Olsen, CHI, TE10

10.04 - Tony Scheffler, DEN, TE20

Risky. Olsen could disappear and who knows about Scheffler future. Grade C-

15.13 - Kris Brown, HOU, K15

19.13 - Billy Cundiff, BAL, K31

One guy with a current job. Grade D

12.04 - Packers, GB, D5

16.04 - Panthers, CAR, D20

An above average D1 and D2. Grade B-

Overall I see this as a very average team with limited upside. If your running backs explode you could cause some people fits. I just don't see this team as a title contender. Grade C/C-

 

[BassNBrew]

I'd love someone to give me an honest opinion of my team. I'm working on one but I think its a little bias.

Yellow Line is Unofficial8.08 - Matt Hasselbeck, SEA, QB19

9.09 - Josh Freeman, TB, QB24

11.09 - Michael Vick, PHI, QB30

I'm sure something will shake out of the mess, but you'll be spot most of the league points. Grade D

1.09 - Frank Gore, SF, RB7

5.09 - Ronnie Brown, MIA, RB25

6.08 - Brandon Jacobs, NYG, RB28

13.09 - Arian Foster, HOU, RB55

14.08 - Derrick Ward, TB, RB59

Another team with a strong group of backs. Jacobs/Foster/Ward are probably the strongest bench in the league at RB. If Brown comes back strong you'll be loaded here. Holding your grade down based on the Brown ?. Grade B+

2.08 - Calvin Johnson, DET, WR10

3.09 - Steve Smith, CAR, WR16

7.09 - Julian Edelman, NE, WR41

10.08 - Mohamed Massaquoi, CLE, WR56

18.08 - Troy Williamson, JAC, WR86

20.08 - Trindon Holliday, ®, WR101

One of the best WR1/WR2 combos in the league. Edelman and MM should net you WR3 numbers but they aren't without their risks. Williamson and Holliday don't leave me confident with your depth. You should have another WR on your roster. Grade B.

4.08 - Brent Celek, PHI, TE7

12.08 - Jermaine Gresham, ®, TE26

You hang around the middle Te scoring with this pair. Grade C.

16.08 - Ryan Succop, KC, K20

19.09 - Conner Barth, TB, K30

Grade D.

15.09 - Giants, NYG, D16

17.09 - Browns, CLE, D28

Two value picks at Def. Grade C-

If Brown is back strong you'll have the ammo to hang around. If that doesn't happen it will be a long short year. You'll be spotting points at QB and on the weeks when Smith/CJ aren't playing or are off the numbers, you'll be struggling to survive. Knowing that you were going three deep at QB, you should have jumped up for stud K/D to ride solo to free up a spot for more WR depth. In hindsight, I also think your team is better off if you secure Ricky as a handcuff at 8.08, pass on Jacobs in the 6th and upgrade your QB/WR positions in the 6th/7th. Grade C-

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Thanks Bass

 

[Toads]

15.15 - Adam Vinatieri, IND, K16

One dependable kicker. Opps...scratch that after my experience last year. I wish you better luck. Grade D-

Thanks for the glowing review.Don't let your experience with Vinatieri color your perception.....in opposition to FUBAR who said "what plan?".....you had a plan that I walked around and examimed and after all was said and done, I intentionally adopted it. It's also ironic that the same PK was envolved in the same planned attempt.

The bad news was that I was faced with buring a pick for Tav Jackson. That's the bad news of drafting Farve before he announces: you have to burn a pick for Jackson. I'm not so sure that you don't reverse that formula if Farve announces retirement (i.e., draft Jackson and burn a pick on Farve). I am also sure that if you adopt the Farve plan you must draft Jackson due to the injury possibility.

Once I had to burn that pick where I had to burn it (the 14.02) I was faced with the probability that a BUPK would be available at the 20.02 and I intentionally passed the option figuring that a slug would be there or that a reasonable DEF would be there. Unfortunately, Cundif was drafted and I was left with the Gano/Rayner situation in WAS as the pick for PK #32. I could have played the Medlock card in CIN but that's an unknown of the first degree. I did have an option on an OK DEF at the 20.02 and that's how that cookie crumbled.

So: just because you got burned doesn't mean that it's not a good/great strategy. If you are jilted in Romance and Love, you don't quit Loving.....right?

 

[BassNBrew]

15.15 - Adam Vinatieri, IND, K16

One dependable kicker. Opps...scratch that after my experience last year. I wish you better luck. Grade D-

Thanks for the glowing review.Don't let your experience with Vinatieri color your perception.....in opposition to FUBAR who said "what plan?".....you had a plan that I walked around and examimed and after all was said and done, I intentionally adopted it. It's also ironic that the same PK was envolved in the same planned attempt.

The bad news was that I was faced with buring a pick for Tav Jackson. That's the bad news of drafting Farve before he announces: you have to burn a pick for Jackson. I'm not so sure that you don't reverse that formula if Farve announces retirement (i.e., draft Jackson and burn a pick on Farve). I am also sure that if you adopt the Farve plan you must draft Jackson due to the injury possibility.

Once I had to burn that pick where I had to burn it (the 14.02) I was faced with the probability that a BUPK would be available at the 20.02 and I intentionally passed the option figuring that a slug would be there or that a reasonable DEF would be there. Unfortunately, Cundif was drafted and I was left with the Gano/Rayner situation in WAS as the pick for PK #32. I could have played the Medlock card in CIN but that's an unknown of the first degree. I did have an option on an OK DEF at the 20.02 and that's how that cookie crumbled.

So: just because you got burned doesn't mean that it's not a good/great strategy. If you are jilted in Romance and Love, you don't quit Loving.....right?

Sorry, just a little bit of sarcasm and self-depreciating humor combined in your kicker review. It was very interesting that you ended up doing it with the same kicker. I still think it's a very sound strategy when you have issues to resolve at other positions. As i mentioned elsewhere, I still went deep into the year in that league w/o a kicker and it wasn't a factor in my ultimate elimination.

 

[Crippler]

Just looking at what killed me last year. Finished 3rd overall in total points but out in week 8 with an 83.2. Missed the cut by 4. Drafted 3 QB`s but by that time I had one and he was on bye. My WR`s sucked. WArd on bye which just left 8 for Sidney Rice(a steal last year) and 3 from Chris Chambers. After this I scored well again with Rice. Ward and Chambers putting together some nice numbers but nothing from anyone else. I got the stud TE last year in Gates and made my 2nd steal in Jermicheal Finley. Not really seeing those kinds of steals this year. Maybe Dillard will be this guy for me. But PK and I took Hartley did not have too much bearing. Dan Carpenter was okay.

 

[menobrown]

I'm to biased to rate my own team so instead I'm just going to bore everyone with my pick by pick thought process while drafting and notate any significant changes since that pick was made.

1. Maurice Jones Drew, Jags, RB4.- Easiest decision I made the entire draft. If Rice or ADP is around it might have been my most difficult.

2. Jamal Charles, KC, RB12.- Realistically knew Clark had no chance but really hoped Witten or Gates would make it back to me. Did not happen. Happy to get Charles who I have as my #8th rated RB but the pick came with downside. Going into draft I targeted Felix Jones and Harrison as value RB's to grab and I knew that taking my second RB this soon took me out of the RB market until several rounds later than those two would be available.

3. Jermichael Finley, GB, TE5. A lot of directions I could have went here. CAR Steve Smith was very appealing to me but I did not want to end up with both a bottom of the pack QB and TE. Went with Finley who for me is my #4TE but I think he's got a realistic shot at being #1TE. I can't say I felt that way about any available QB's and I liked my chances of getting a quality QB in the 4th more than a top flight TE.

4. Eli Manning, NYG, QB12. The QB run was scary and I was relieved to land Eli here. I believe he was #10 fantasy QB last season and I think, due the strength of the WR weapons he now has available, he can do even better. That combined with his Manningesque knack for not missing football games and I think he's a safe pick with some upside.

5. Hakeem Nicks, NYG, WR26. He was not consistent last year but he battled nagging injuries and learning the NFL game all year and was not starting until very late in the season. I think if he can stay healthy he's got a real good chance to be the breakout player of the year at WR. I also liked the idea of pairing him with Eli.

6. Steve Breaston, AZ, WR37. First player I picked that I went into the draft targeting due to fact I feel trade of Boldin is imminent. I know when Boldin was out and Warner was QB he was to me a top flight WR2 . Hard to see him not falling with Lienhart but I'm hoping he can still post solid numbers.

7. Chris Cooley, WAS, TE13. I know WR was a bigger need but I did not like the choices here. Looking at the group of WR's that went after I picked Cooley and they all have pretty big questions marks or a general lack of consistent production. Cooley is not without concern due to the emergence of Fred Davis but I think he's the best receiver on the team and Shanahan likes to get the ball to his TE's. With him and Finley I felt I had the position wrapped up and could ignore it the rest of the draft. I also knew at this point my WR group could be shaky and I thought it was key for me to make sure I get solid points from every other position.

8. Chaz Shilens, OAK, WR50. Another guy I came into draft targeting. He's the #1 WR on the team which I know is not saying much but even with poor QB play he can be a WR3 if he's healthy and if they can get some good QB play he could easily exceed that.

9. Devin Hester, CHI, WR52. He went through a pretty long stretch last year were he was starting to be a fairly consistent PPR WR. Not sure how Martz would want to use him but I'd say he has some upside potential and at worst I think he can be a productive slot WR and give me a few starts.

10. Kevin Kolb, PHI, QB29. Plan coming into this draft was to take all 3 Eagles QB's but Kolb was the main priority. I'd have taken Mcnabb over Eli in the 4th but it was to late and I thought I could get Vick in a round or two later than he went but it was not to be. The Eagles won't keep all 3 of them so at least 2 out of this group is going to start next year if not all 3. Still this is a huge risk pick for me which is based solely on the idea I believe Kolb or Mcnabb is traded. The risk is further compounded by me not picking another QB other than Eli. If Mcnabb is traded I'd consider Kolb my QB1 and Eli my #2. That suddenly gives me potentially elite QB play. If Kolb is traded to a poor team I at least have a viable #2QB. If Kolb backs up Mcnabb I have one of the worst QB situations in this league with only Eli to get points from. I believe this pick will end up being my most important selection of the draft one way or the other.

11. Leon Washington- NYJ, RB50 One of my biggest busts last year. I had him ranked a whopping 17th RB in PPR leagues last year and thought his career would take a similar arc to the early career of Tiki Barber. Oddly he got more touches than I anticipated but scored far less due to a decline in TD's, receptions and overall big plays. Now he's rehabbing an injury and his return to the Jets is not a given so I'm not nearly as optimistic as last year. Still he's good value here and he's a guy I was targeting as my RB3. Since the draft I've read they did not put much of a tender on him and look to be playing hardball so his return to the Jets is looking shakier. If healthy he'll have some value anywhere but playing the change of pace role to Greene is ideal for him so I hope he stays.

12. Dexter Mcluster, Ole Miss, RB53 Another guy I came into the draft targeting. I was impressed with him when I saw him play last season and thought he could make an immediate impact as a third down change of pace back in the NFL. Now since the draft he ran the poor 40 times so his stock is down but more than anything it depends on were he ends up and how he is utilized. Plan was after this pick to take one more RB, and than nothing but WR's, K's and D's.

13. Arrelious Benn, Illini, WR74 Not much to say. Boom or bust pick at a position of need.

14. Bears D12 Down year for them but Urlacher's return along with some expected FA additions should help restore the defense but it will help if Cutler stops turning it over.

15. Texans D14 Blew this pick in mulitiple ways. I like a lot of the Texans talent on D but did not know they were going to let Dunta Robinson walk and what's worse is I did not know the Giants D was still on the board. Than I gambled by not taking a K and watched the greatest kicker run I've ever seen unfold before I could pick again.

16. Shayne Graham, Cin, K22 I was getting real nervous about being able to get one K but wanted at least two. I'm pretty sure kickers missed more games last year to injury, suspension and release than starting NFL QB's and a lot of other positions. Now Graham is somewhat risky because for better or worse he's a UFA and not expected to return to the Bengals. Due to his career accuracy and several kicker needy teams he should find a job easily however.

17. Jason Hanson, Det, K23. Wanted another kicker. Just hope he's not in severe decline.

18. Deion Branch, SEA, WR89. Very happy with this pick. He has a chance to contribute for me at a huge position of need. At time of draft I thought he'd be released and hook up with NE, Den, or KC were he knows the system and all have varying degrees of need. Either of those teams would provide him a good chance to play and maybe start for at least awhile. Now it is looking as if the Seahawks might keep him if Burleson leaves which would open the door for him to possibly start. So either way if he can be healthy he should provide some starts for me and even has an element of upside about him.

19. Montario Hardesty, Tenn, RB73 I liked what I saw of him last year. Ran effectively and showed decent pass catching skills in a pro style offense against good competition and I wanted a 5th RB with some upside. After I picked him he had a strong combine and I'm hearing he might make it into the second round so he's got a chance to contribute next season.

20. Jacoby Ford, Clemson, WR23 Here's a guy I picked after I knew his combine results. Running the fastest time does not make him a better player but it will make him get drafted higher and that might help him see the field sooner. I thought he was worth the upside risk at a position of need at this point. Considered Crayton and Jenkins over him but just wanted to go with unknown upside.

I can't really rate my team but for the most part I'd say my teams fate rests on what happens to Kolb and if enough WR's can step up.

 

[FUBAR]

.....in opposition to FUBAR who said "what plan?".....

I'm sort of kidding with that but my plan was to be flexible. I don't get locked in to needing a stud QB or QBBC, going after WRs or RBs, needing a stud TE, whatever. Let the value fall. That said, I do bump stud TEs a little in this format and place more emphasis on getting a mix WRs - a couple with higher upside (MSW, Butler), a couple I feel I can safely rely on even if they're not studs (Bess). In the past I've placed more emphasis on RBs but been burned there by taking lesser RBs while good WRs are left available. Depending on draft slot at I would also look to take a stud QB, but from the 6 spot that's difficult - I won't take one at 1.06, the top 3 are gone by 2.11 (although if I had been on at the right time I would have Peyton), top 5 are gone by 3.06... you get the idea, QB just wasn't falling the right way to take one high. In part because I couldn't get a stud QB, it made stud TE more important.

 

[el super gringo]

BassNBrew can you grade my team?

 

[BassNBrew]

BassNBrew

6.14 - Matt Leinart, ARI, QB16

8.14 - David Garrard, JAC, QB20

9.03 - Alex Smith, SF, QB21

1.03 - Ray Rice, BAL, RB3

5.03 - Felix Jones, DAL, RB23

7.03 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB33

18.14 - LenDale White, TEN, RB70

2.14 - DeSean Jackson, PHI, WR12

3.03 - Sidney Rice, MIN, WR14

4.14 - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR21

11.03 - Nate Burleson, SEA, WR62

13.03 - Josh Morgan, SF, WR73

19.03 - Legedu Naanee, SD, WR91

10.14 - Todd Heap, BAL, TE22

17.03 - Dante Rosario, CAR, TE33

20.14 - Bo Scaife, TEN, TE35

14.14 - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, K5

15.03 - Ryan Longwell, MIN, K9

12.14 - Cowboys, DAL, D7

16.14 - Seahawks, SEA, D24

I have some questions for you guys regarding my team that I would like you to weigh in on.

1. I drafted Garrand/Smith at the 8/9 turn as my 2nd and 3rd QBs. Thoughts were that Leinart had some risk. I felt good about my RBs and WRs at this point. I wanted to create a run for the QB scraps and leave someone with only one starter. My biggest need was TE. Did I make a mistake by taking a 3rd QB and passing on Pettigrew/Shockey/Boss/Cook/Scheaffler? Would someone like Lynch/Caddy/MoMa/AGonzo have helped my team more then having 3 QBs posting scores each week?

2. I expect big things from Felix Jones this year which is why I invested RB23 on him. I selected Barber two full rds late as RB33 at 7.3. I like the handcuff for injury proptection and think both can post scoreable numbers on a weekly basis. Did I limit my title shot by handcuffing? I passed on Cooley/Keller/Carlson and Bryant/Royal here. Sproles would have been my other RB choice. Could I have made a better selection a this spot?

3. With the Cowboys Def in had and Gostkowski as K5, should I have gone only one deep at one of these positions and taken a 4th TE?

4. Unlike most people, I hate drafting guys on my home team. If they get injured both my rooting interest and fantasy teams get hurt. Did I make a mistake by passing on Steve Smith for Sydney Rice? I know it would have totally reshaped my team, but was the 3.3 spot better spent on Finley/VD then a stud WR2 or is it a toss up? I had it as a toss up and based on how the other drafts unfolded, thought that the 3 spot lended itself better to loaded up on WR early and piece mealing together the TE position.

 

[BassNBrew]

BassNBrew can you grade my team?

F- Just kidding, will get to it in the next day of so.

 

[menobrown]

BassNBrew

6.14 - Matt Leinart, ARI, QB16

8.14 - David Garrard, JAC, QB20

9.03 - Alex Smith, SF, QB21

1.03 - Ray Rice, BAL, RB3

5.03 - Felix Jones, DAL, RB23

7.03 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB33

18.14 - LenDale White, TEN, RB70

2.14 - DeSean Jackson, PHI, WR12

3.03 - Sidney Rice, MIN, WR14

4.14 - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR21

11.03 - Nate Burleson, SEA, WR62

13.03 - Josh Morgan, SF, WR73

19.03 - Legedu Naanee, SD, WR91

10.14 - Todd Heap, BAL, TE22

17.03 - Dante Rosario, CAR, TE33

20.14 - Bo Scaife, TEN, TE35

14.14 - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, K5

15.03 - Ryan Longwell, MIN, K9

12.14 - Cowboys, DAL, D7

16.14 - Seahawks, SEA, D24

I have some questions for you guys regarding my team that I would like you to weigh in on.

1. I drafted Garrand/Smith at the 8/9 turn as my 2nd and 3rd QBs. Thoughts were that Leinart had some risk. I felt good about my RBs and WRs at this point. I wanted to create a run for the QB scraps and leave someone with only one starter. My biggest need was TE. Did I make a mistake by taking a 3rd QB and passing on Pettigrew/Shockey/Boss/Cook/Scheaffler? Would someone like Lynch/Caddy/MoMa/AGonzo have helped my team more then having 3 QBs posting scores each week? At first I thought you had mistake by not addressing another TE and I continued to feel that after you picked Rosario all the way until you got Scaife in the 20th. It's still does not look like a position of strength but it's stable now. I think if you had failed to get Scaife it would have been a mistake but he saved it.

2. I expect big things from Felix Jones this year which is why I invested RB23 on him. I selected Barber two full rds late as RB33 at 7.3. I like the handcuff for injury proptection and think both can post scoreable numbers on a weekly basis. Did I limit my title shot by handcuffing? I passed on Cooley/Keller/Carlson and Bryant/Royal here. Sproles would have been my other RB choice. Could I have made a better selection a this spot? I'd have went with one of the TE choices here over Barber but I'd not call it a mistake. Felix and Barber at RB23 and RB33 is good value and I do think they can both score while providing depth and at reasonable draft spots. The only problem is the upside is limited especially while Choice is involved which is why I'd have gone TE. At the time of the draft I thought Sproles was going to return to SD but that's not looking so sure anymore. At SD I felt he was way overvalued. 14 games he played last year that LT played the entire game he only went over 10 fantasy points 4 times and only over 20 fantasy points once so I did not see consistency or upside. If he ends up on a team that will consistently throw him the ball he could be a lot better than I thought he would be in SD and be a better pick than Barber but you did not know that at the time.

3. With the Cowboys Def in had and Gostkowski as K5, should I have gone only one deep at one of these positions and taken a 4th TE? No. D's and K's are the most random positions and you need multiple chances to score from that position. You did the right thing.

4. Unlike most people, I hate drafting guys on my home team. If they get injured both my rooting interest and fantasy teams get hurt. Did I make a mistake by passing on Steve Smith for Sydney Rice? I know it would have totally reshaped my team, but was the 3.3 spot better spent on Finley/VD then a stud WR2 or is it a toss up? I had it as a toss up and based on how the other drafts unfolded, thought that the 3 spot lended itself better to loaded up on WR early and piece mealing together the TE position./ At the time you picked Rice I thought it was to risky considering Favre's shaky status but if Favre returns he's worth the draft spot. As your draft unfolded however I think not picking a TE at this spot proved to be a mistake. You commited an early part of your draft to your WR's and than you got outstanding value later in the draft at WR in Burleson, Morgan and even Naane is a breakout candidate. Problem is a lot of these guys might be putting up points for your bench. I'd like your team more with a stud TE and Burleson and Morgan as your #3 and #4 WR. You could have added to the WR depth with 2 of the 3 picks you used for your current TE's while allotting one pick for a backup TE.

 

[FUBAR]

BassNBrew

6.14 - Matt Leinart, ARI, QB16

8.14 - David Garrard, JAC, QB20

9.03 - Alex Smith, SF, QB21

1.03 - Ray Rice, BAL, RB3

5.03 - Felix Jones, DAL, RB23

7.03 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB33

18.14 - LenDale White, TEN, RB70

2.14 - DeSean Jackson, PHI, WR12

3.03 - Sidney Rice, MIN, WR14

4.14 - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR21

11.03 - Nate Burleson, SEA, WR62

13.03 - Josh Morgan, SF, WR73

19.03 - Legedu Naanee, SD, WR91

10.14 - Todd Heap, BAL, TE22

17.03 - Dante Rosario, CAR, TE33

20.14 - Bo Scaife, TEN, TE35

14.14 - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, K5

15.03 - Ryan Longwell, MIN, K9

12.14 - Cowboys, DAL, D7

16.14 - Seahawks, SEA, D24

I have some questions for you guys regarding my team that I would like you to weigh in on.

1. I drafted Garrand/Smith at the 8/9 turn as my 2nd and 3rd QBs. Thoughts were that Leinart had some risk. I felt good about my RBs and WRs at this point. I wanted to create a run for the QB scraps and leave someone with only one starter. My biggest need was TE. Did I make a mistake by taking a 3rd QB and passing on Pettigrew/Shockey/Boss/Cook/Scheaffler? Would someone like Lynch/Caddy/MoMa/AGonzo have helped my team more then having 3 QBs posting scores each week? No, the mistake was drafting Leinart as your #1. I agree with MB, Scaife dropping saved your end.

2. I expect big things from Felix Jones this year which is why I invested RB23 on him. I selected Barber two full rds late as RB33 at 7.3. I like the handcuff for injury proptection and think both can post scoreable numbers on a weekly basis. Did I limit my title shot by handcuffing? I passed on Cooley/Keller/Carlson and Bryant/Royal here. Sproles would have been my other RB choice. Could I have made a better selection a this spot? I'll trade Sproles for Felix Depends on the bye week IMO, a late Dallas bye and you may be in trouble, esp if Baltimore shares it. Early and lucky with Balt/White's new home, and you're fine.

3. With the Cowboys Def in had and Gostkowski as K5, should I have gone only one deep at one of these positions and taken a 4th TE? No

4. Unlike most people, I hate drafting guys on my home team. If they get injured both my rooting interest and fantasy teams get hurt. Did I make a mistake by passing on Steve Smith for Sydney Rice? I know it would have totally reshaped my team, but was the 3.3 spot better spent on Finley/VD then a stud WR2 or is it a toss up? I had it as a toss up and based on how the other drafts unfolded, thought that the 3 spot lended itself better to loaded up on WR early and piece mealing together the TE position. Toss up, I see Smith as the safer - in case Favre retires, but Rice is a guy I kick myself for not having on my teams.

Overall I like your team enough, things fall right and you're in strong contention.Now rate my team!

 

[Stinkin Ref]

bass...thanks for all your feedback here, not just on my team but all the others... it is good stuff...will give you some quick responses....please understand, just my gut opinion and really means very little and others could look at it completely different ......also understand I did not take the time to go back and look to see who was available at the time of your picks......and also, the possible one and done nature of survivor makes these discussions really silly.....if we are looking at these team as a season long week to week single game matchup type thing, the analysis would be completely different.....

1. in order to take Leinart where you did, you must be sold that he is the real deal....I don't feel he has given us any reason whatsoever to think that he is.....I don't care how good/great of a "situation" he is in and what WR's he has (and he may lose one of his top options)....dude has given us no reason to really think he can play at this level....if he surprises me and many others.....great....and I will eat crow and this could be your best pick instead of your worse....but I think you may have been better served taking someone else here (not sure if Palmer was still avalable or not, but know I almost took him "lateish"even with Schaubb and McNabb, just to try and screw some people)....honestly you could have even maybe taken another position player in the 6th and just lived with Garrard and Smith and been better off....I feel those two will be your primary scorers at that position anyway, so to me your 6th pick isn't adding much to your team and it could have been used elsewhere...TE whatever....bottom line... Leinart has a ton to prove and you are gambling that he will...I'm just not sold..and I think you even mentioned that part of your thinking at the 8/9 turn was because of your uncertainty about Leinart.....believe me I understand the "he could be a homerun" idea, but really you had to cover that pick and it could cost you....

2. I like both of those guys in redraft and I like Felix....he may become more of a bell cow.....I would just hate to see a Rice minor injury coincide with a Dallas bye week.........would have like to have seen at least one more RB drafted as you really have your eggs in only a couple baskets here....although these are the type of gambles that sometimes help people win.....but one more option might have been good, cause Lendale could very easily lay a bunch of eggs....

3. I don't know.....but leaning towards no....

4. if TJ is the QB then this pick is shaky and you may have been better off going TE or with Smith.....if it;s 4 then you are ok.....

as a side note, I almost took Heap with my pick on the way back down before you picked him.....at the time I noticed you were the only one without at least one TE and I knew you were probably looking at your list and realizing he was about the only thing left.....I almost pulled the trigger, because after him, the pickens got really slim.....

your team is pretty solid, and in these survivor leagues, who knows, trying to analyze what team "is the best in this format"....is kinda like watching a monkey try to #### a football....

good luck

 

[EBF]

Rookies are usually overrated in dynasty leagues and underrated in redraft leagues. I had probably the best team in SSL1 last year with Beanie Wells, LeSean McCoy, and Hakeem Nicks playing prominent roles. I also had great success in 2008 with Chris Johnson as my RB2 in his rookie year.

I don't think Spiller was a bad pick at RB15. I don't think Best was a bad pick as my 3rd RB. Those guys have low floors and high ceilings. I picked them partially because their unique skill sets ensure that they'll get on the field no matter who drafts them. Bradford is a bigger risk as my QB2, but he'll most likely be starting by midseason if not immediately. In a 16 team league he has the potential to be an adequate QB2.

 

[Crippler]

Rookies are usually overrated in dynasty leagues and underrated in redraft leagues. I had probably the best team in SSL1 last year with Beanie Wells, LeSean McCoy, and Hakeem Nicks playing prominent roles. I also had great success in 2008 with Chris Johnson as my RB2 in his rookie year. I don't think Spiller was a bad pick at RB15. I don't think Best was a bad pick as my 3rd RB. Those guys have low floors and high ceilings. I picked them partially because their unique skill sets ensure that they'll get on the field no matter who drafts them. Bradford is a bigger risk as my QB2, but he'll most likely be starting by midseason if not immediately. In a 16 team league he has the potential to be an adequate QB2.

They make a good #3 RB for later in the year. If you depended on them early you probably did not do so good. I wonder how many Moreno owners succeeded last year. I owned Wells in both WSL and PSL last year and was 3rd highest scorer and went to the finals in PSL but Wells only helped me in one as I was out early in the other but helped me in overall points which means nothing in the end. Spiller probably only helps you to an early exit IMO. BTW: Great discussion here. 4 has had the most discussion overall. Great job guys.

 

[FUBAR]

Let's talk Burleson. Last year he was finished 34th. I picked him up somewhere around the 50th+ WR selected. Why do you expect a significant drop off?

As a Burleson owner in another league I'm also curious. I happen to like Butler's potential a lot but Burleson is a decent part of this passing attack - if we can call it that.

I'm not sure what it will end up doing to his value but I don't think Burleson is going to be a part of the Seattle passing attack any longer. Unless I'm forgetting someone he is probably the most desirable UFA WR available in FA so he's got a great chance to get seriously overpaid by someone.

Honestly, I don't see leaving hurting his value.

Maybe as a Lion it does? Liking the signing for Butler

 

[BassNBrew]

FUBAR

5.06 - Joe Flacco, BAL, QB13

9.06 - Mark Sanchez, NYJ, QB23

10.11 - Matt Moore, CAR, QB28

You really stuck it to Gringo with the Moore selection. Much like me you don't have any top end QBs, however there's strength in numbers and you'll posted middle of the road scores on a weekly basis. What i don't like is that these are the QBs on potentially the three best running teams in the league that won't deviate from that plan often. Grade C.

1.06 - Steven Jackson, STL, RB5

6.11 - Steve Slaton, HOU, RB29

7.06 - Darren Sproles, SD, RB34

16.11 - Glen Coffee, SF, RB61

20.11 - Aaron Brown, DET, RB79

Time will tell with what you end up with at RB2 in Sproles and Slaton. I don't see much upside with this group either. Grade C-

2.11 - Vincent Jackson, SD, WR11

4.11 - Mike Sims-Walker, JAC, WR19

8.11 - Davone Bess, MIA, WR49

12.11 - Kevin Walter, HOU, WR71

14.11 - Jordy Nelson, GB, WR79

18.11 - Deon Butler, SEA, WR88

19.06 - Mardy Gilyard, ®, WR92

If VJ gets suspended you could be hurting for awhile, otherwise you're slightly above average at WR1/WR2. I really like your depth that features a combonation of guys who will consistantly provide points and candidates to breakout big every now and then. Grade C+

3.06 - Vernon Davis, SF, TE6

13.06 - Martellus Bennett, DAL, TE28

I don't know what to expect from Bennett as he was disappointing last year. You likely won't need him more than a week or two anyway. Davis offered value at 3.6. Grade B

15.06 - Dan Carpenter, MIA, K11

17.06 - Josh Brown, STL, K24

Two middling kickers that have jobs. Grade C+

11.06 - Steelers, PIT, D1

I like your strategy here. I expect Pitt to bounce back big this year on D...they always do after a down year. Grade C+

Honestly this looks like a very run of the mill team with limited upside every except WR. You'll be a tough out, but I don't see anyway that you'll be in contention at the end. Hopefully this is the Kiss of Life statement for you. Grade C.

 

[BassNBrew]

el super gringo

9.05 - Chad Henne, MIA, QB22

19.05 - Daunte Culpepper, DET, QB37

I have to ask what were you thinking here. Even if you believe strongly that henne is the answer in Miami, seeing Brown/White and whoever else they come up with to run the wildcat will kill your production many weeks. henne rushing numbers were absmyl last year. Grade F-

2.12 - Matt Forte, CHI, RB11

3.05 - LeSean McCoy, PHI, RB13

6.12 - Justin Forsett, SEA, RB30

8.12 - Kevin Smith, DET, RB40

18.12 - Ben Tate, ®, RB69

20.12 - Cedric Peerman, DET, RB78

Don't understand why you went six deep here. You probably reached a round for Forte and should have skipped Smith for a QB. I you hit on Forsett or Smith, Peerman won't add value to your team. Lots of potential in this group. Grade B-

1.05 - Andre Johnson, HOU, WR1

4.12 - Michael Crabtree, SF, WR20

7.05 - Antonio Bryant, TB, WR39

11.05 - Joshua Cribbs, CLE, WR63

14.12 - Brandon Gibson, STL, WR80

17.05 - Golden Tate, ®, WR82

No we're talking about some point production Strong on the top end and on the bench with elite potential. I really wanted Crabtree to fall to me as I think he's late 3rd rd value. Grade B+

5.05 - Kellen Winslow II, TB, TE8

10.12 - Kevin Boss, NYG, TE21

Winslow was a steal and most weeks will push many of the TEs taken in the first three rounds. Boss is an excellent backup. Grade B+/A-

15.05 - David Akers, PHI, K10

16.12 - Phil Dawson, CLE, K21

Better than most but Akers is starting to concern me. Grade C+

12.12 - Ravens, BAL, D6

13.05 - Saints, NO, D8

I'm a little pushed for time to see if you have the best or second best defenses. Doesn't matter that much. Grade A+

I've always thought QBs were over rated in this format. I've watched guys survive for weeks without one and win titles with only one. That said you took it to an extreme. You have the talent everywhere else to be a strong contender, but you'll be spotting to many points at QB to take the crown. Give up either Forestt or Smith for a starting QB and this team does much, much better. Grade D

 

[menobrown]

Bass please grade my team when you have the chance.