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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)

Chaka said:
Think about it before you start typing your moral high ground response.
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I thought about it. I have the moral high ground. I may as well use it. I'm not the one making poor decisions that affect the safety and welfare of my family, friends, neighbors, and of them, most of all, small children. 

 
Otis said:
I thought about it. I have the moral high ground. I may as well use it. I'm not the one making poor decisions that affect the safety and welfare of my family, friends, neighbors, and of them, most of all, small children. 
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Keep fighting the fight, Otis.

Maybe you'll get the pit bull murders down to 5 in 4 million from 6 in 4 million.

 
Otis said:
I thought about it. I have the moral high ground. I may as well use it. I'm not the one making poor decisions that affect the safety and welfare of my family, friends, neighbors, and of them, most of all, small children. 
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if we're splitting hairs here, you purchase alcohol. by purchasing this alcohol you are supporting the companies that produce an item that kills over 10,000 people a year, including small children. is that a good decision? why not boycott alcohol to show your disgust in the innocent lives lost to this every year rather than choose to support them?

 
comfortably numb said:
I'm not gonna go Otis or cardshark but will just say I don't know how you guys with pits/rots can feel relaxed. Maybe I am just too paranoid but I have 2 dogs (vizslas) 40-50lbs and they take up a good amount of stress on my mind.

They are harmless and if an intruder came into my house they would probably bark as the retreat into the next room. 

I mean I'm not tossing turning every night and popping zoloft but things like I don't feel comfortable having small kids over as they may try to lick a kid and scratch a face. Or having my 80 year old mom over adds a new stress with the dogs. If they are running around playing and bump into her...there goes a hip.

I couldn't imagine having to worry about the thought if my dog snapped at someone the amount of damage that could occur.

Or let's say a 10 year threw his waffle ball in my yard and jumps over the fence to retrieve it. My dogs would just bark and howl like nut jobs and even if they did bite the kid any passers-by could see the dilemma and just start kicking the crap out my dog to help the kid out...if the kid jumped into my yard and there was a pit or rot the consequences could be devastating and any passers-by is gonna having to seriously proceed with extreme caution.

I don't know how you guys do it man. Maybe if I lived with em and knew them to a tee I suppose I'd feel comfortable on "some" level but I don't think I would ever be able to leave a neighbor's kid at my house without me watching my dog like a hawk....just in cascas
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A kid should never be left alone with a decent sized dog regardless of breed. 

 
Chaka said:
Nice try...actually no it wasn't. No one said radical Islam. You don't get to move the goal posts on this one.
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I didn't move the post. A small % of pits are dangerous, just like any breed. Pits do have strength and will cause damage to a person or another animal. We have a problem now with radical Islam. I don't recall ever seeing someone worried about radical Judaism. 

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Depends on the dog  :shrug:

A Chihuahua could destroy an infants face pretty quick. 

I have a 60lbs GSD and would feel comfortable leaving her with an average 14 year old.
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Ok.

Yea I wouldn't leave some adults alone with an infant.

I just mean you have some kids (5-10 year old) at the house and your dog is roaming around the house, I wouldn't feel comfortable not having my eye on my dog every second if it were a rot or pit. 

A Chihuahua whatever. A 60lbs lab whatever.  I can be in the other room and not worry too much. The chances of something happening are slim (whether a rot/pit or a lab) but if that slim chance occurs with a lab or Chihuahua by the time I run into the other room a kid is dealing with a bite mark and a bruised ego while on the other side you most likely need to call an ambulance.

 
Chaka said:
Okay I guess people who don't like pit bulls are Nazis. The more you know...
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No, but if you're going to worry about what type of dog your neighbor has because of a stereotype then you better worry about your neighbors religious affiliation and what firearms they are buying also. 

 
comfortably numb said:
Ok.

Yea I wouldn't leave some adults alone with an infant.

I just mean you have some kids (5-10 year old) at the house and your dog is roaming around the house, I wouldn't feel comfortable not having my eye on my dog every second if it were a rot or pit. 

A Chihuahua whatever. A 60lbs lab whatever.  I can be in the other room and not worry too much. The chances of something happening are slim (whether a rot/pit or a lab) but if that slim chance occurs with a lab or Chihuahua by the time I run into the other room a kid is dealing with a bite mark and a bruised ego while on the other side you most likely need to call an ambulance.
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we had my nieces birthday party a couple years back with a boatload of little germ carriers, uhh, I mean children over. I let our dogs meet the childrens, I said meet and not eat by the way. I then put them upstairs in an area we have dog gated and dog gated the first floor as well. it was good chance to socialize the dogs with the children but not something I wanted to be monitoring like you said every 2 seconds.

a mistake I made and probably shouldn't of is I play rough with my dogs as we both enjoy it. and my female does seem to know the degree in which she can play as she will tap the bigger cocker with her paw but just barks at the smaller cocker with her butt in the air and lets the smaller cocker attack her.

I'm not sure as she is hyper that she wouldn't get worked up and knock a kid down, so its much easier just containing them. 

 
Warsteinner said:
No, but if you're going to worry about what type of dog your neighbor has because of a stereotype then you better worry about your neighbors religious affiliation and what firearms they are buying also. 
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I'm lead in the charge against overreacting anti pit bull people in this thread but...no.

No, no, no.

You guys went to genocide, don't defend it. Own the fact that your argument is overboard by a bajillion. Which is about how many calories Otis downed in Hostess Moon Pies and whiskey last night amiright!?!?!?! :hifive:  

 
Chaka said:
I'm lead in the charge against overreacting anti pit bull people in this thread but...no.

No, no, no.

You guys went to genocide, don't defend it. Own the fact that your argument is overboard by a bajillion. Which is about how many calories Otis downed in Hostess Moon Pies and whiskey last night amiright!?!?!?! :hifive:  
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We can agree, buddy. I went that route because the pitbull hatred is just pure ignorance. 

 
comfortably numb said:
Ok.

Yea I wouldn't leave some adults alone with an infant.

I just mean you have some kids (5-10 year old) at the house and your dog is roaming around the house, I wouldn't feel comfortable not having my eye on my dog every second if it were a rot or pit. 

A Chihuahua whatever. A 60lbs lab whatever.  I can be in the other room and not worry too much. The chances of something happening are slim (whether a rot/pit or a lab) but if that slim chance occurs with a lab or Chihuahua by the time I run into the other room a kid is dealing with a bite mark and a bruised ego while on the other side you most likely need to call an ambulance.
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I would feel the same and the size of breed wouldn't change that. And I think you're underestimating the damage a Lab can do.

Everything is about reading the situation. If a kid is over and annoying my dog or my dog is acting weird, they are getting separated. If they are ignoring each other then I'll worry a lot less. 

 
I could imagine what Otis would say about 15?years ago.

You heard about that cat lady in Jackson NJ Otis?

She had like 7 Tigers in her yard. Was a conservation or some  crap  ahe was running... how loving and beautiful they were etc..

Until they escaped a couple times and 911 calls started pouring in about a tiger near the blockbuster

 
comfortably numb said:
I could imagine what Otis would say about 15?years ago.

You heard about that cat lady in Jackson NJ Otis?

She had like 7 Tigers in her yard. Was a conservation or some  crap  ahe was running... how loving and beautiful they were etc..

Until they escaped a couple times and 911 calls started pouring in about a tiger near the blockbuster
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You're one of my wagering thread buds. Come on man!!  :P

 
beavers said:
And don't give me crap on it's the owners ... not the breed. These owners do not know how to deal with this dog - it's evident. What is your advice, when the owners suck just like the dog?
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? you say don't give you that crap it's not the owners, but then say it's the owners?  

 
beavers said:
It's the breed.

You say it's the owners. What is your advice for living next door to neighbors, who aren't fully knowledgeable or equipped to handle a pit bull? The dog is often caged. He's rarely given exercise. He's anxious, won't stop jumping on people. They adopted him a year after he was born - there was a reason why the previous owners gave up on him. You, as a pit bull advocate, tell me what I should do here.
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I for one wouldn't move into a neighborhood and start getting pissed off about what my neighbors have trying to implement new laws and making enemies. Lots of towns have implemented these discrimantory statues and your neighbors would likely get grandfathered. Your town has more worries I'm sure than going on a dog round up. 

 
if only there was a something you could put around your property that will keep vicious animals from coming in and eating your children....

 
jomar said:
if only there was a something you could put around your property that will keep vicious animals from coming in and eating your children....
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In many communities there is not.

Also, allocating costs externally to a multitude of others who had a choice imposed upon them, rather than internally to the one making the choice would not seem sound economic policy.

 
beavers said:
My partner and I are purchasing a home from her parents, that backs up to about 150 acres of land that her parents own. We have gutted the entire house, and did not find out that the neighbors had a pit bull. They adopted the full pit around 4 months ago, and we made our decision to purchase this home last August. They have 2+ acres, we have 2+ acres etc.

Yes, their pit would most likely be grandfathered, but this would prevent from any additional pits just in case something happened to their pit. I'm hoping that they realize soon that the dog is too much for them. The pit bull / lab mix seems to be okay ... Much more calm and friendly than the other dog.

WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE OTHER THAN DON'T MOVE? It's a done deal...

ETA: I have called the township without providing a name/address. My partner's family is well known in the area and I don't want their name to be on this idea. No reason to cause an issue with the neighbors ...
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First educate yourself on the breed rather than blanketing all them as monsters. If you're scared be cautious and hope they do give it up for adoption. I was attacked as a child by our neighbors Dalmatian and was scared of larger dogs my entire life until I met my exwife and her pits.

Your neighbors do sound like morons, but they could have any type of dog that you would need to worry about. After I was attacked my parents made sure the yard was secure. Don't allow your kids over to their home and be honest with the neighbors as to why. Don't be a #### behind their back trying to implement city codes. 

 
beavers said:
And don't give me crap on it's the owners ... not the breed. These owners do not know how to deal with this dog - it's evident. What is your advice, when the owners suck just like the dog?
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beavers said:
It's the breed.

You say it's the owners. What is your advice for living next door to neighbors, who aren't fully knowledgeable or equipped to handle a pit bull? The dog is often caged. He's rarely given exercise. He's anxious, won't stop jumping on people. They adopted him a year after he was born - there was a reason why the previous owners gave up on him. You, as a pit bull advocate, tell me what I should do here.
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well, reading your 1rst post, it looks like you say the owners as well.

yes, I say it's the owners the majority of times. there will be the cases though of just a bad dog.

has the dog showed aggression to you or your family, or is he just acting like an untrained hyper puppy?

 
beavers said:
I have 2+ acres ...

There are easier solutions than for me to spend $10k+.

And ... maybe you're on to something ... Love your idea! I'll ask the township about if those who want to keep their pits, they will need to install fencing around their 2+acres of land. Brilliant.
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if only you didn't have to fence in the entire 2 acres....

 
jomar said:
if only there was a something you could put around your property that will keep vicious animals from coming in and eating your children....
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I am going to have too because people in my neighborhood can't control their pits even with a ton of children around.   Some idiot was even rescuing them and one tore up my neighbors dog.    So I will drop 5K on a fence because other people suck because the alternative is jail.   If a pit hurt anyone in my family, I would leave the dog alone, the owner in the other hand won't be as lucky.

 
beavers said:
You could be walking to your mailbox, out for an afternoon jog, or a bike ride with the family and the pit gets lose ... it only takes one time.

The safest solution is BSL.
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actually, the safest solution would be to eliminate all dogs from the face of the earth. 

 
seems like your problem is with bad owners and large dogs.  it sucks, but you can't legislate stupidity.  so lets say you get BSL pushed through and then new white trash neighbors move in with an unruly mastiff or Doberman.  then what? 

 
beavers said:
I have said throughout this thread that it's the breed, not just the owners. I do believe owners do have some environmental responsibility but at the end of the day, that loving pit who turned on the youngest child ... it's the breed, it's genetic.

My question is to  you, to the folks that claim that it's the owners ... I have a situation where my new neighbors are not fully equipped to handle this dog. Any time we go over, the dog is hyper. Jumps on people including me, and my daughter. They eventually put him in the dog cage and that's when I've heard him growl. They are gone - a lot. As two parents who work full time with 2 kids in sports ... This dog needs exercise and structure, and they are not providing it. The 10yo said the dog was crazy. They never have anything nice to say about the dog ... And were told the dog is much older than he was when he was adopted. They think the dog is younger than what it was claimed to be. Why would the previous owners lie about it?

Our distant friends have 3 small yapping PITA dogs. Each dog sucks with kids. We visited and mentioned the aggression that the dogs have displayed toward young children. Their response was that as long as my daughter doesn't get aggravate the dog, then all should be fine. She didn't but the one dog still ended up biting her on the lip. Their reasoning? It was past 8pm and the dog was exhausted.

Surely, those are examples of bad dogs. They suck actually. It angered me that my daugther got snipped at for doing nothing except, the dog was tired. The difference is ... my daughter is not disfigured and she's alive. A bad small toy dog is WAY DIFFERENT than a bad dog pit bull.
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so, how many of this breed have you been around to base your conclusion? it's not genetic, or should I say was not genetic. now if you have a bad dog and concentrate on that specific dogs bad trait and continue doing so, then I guess you could say those are genetic. I believe if genedoc who was still here, who is far more intelligent than I am, which isn't saying much, could chime in on this further.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. it doesn't sound like a good environment for all involved. if it were me, I would express my concern to your neighbor, who it appears you have some type of relationship with, since you're over their house. I always try the communication line first, but not sure how your comfort level is with that? 

 
my PITA neighbors have a male golden retriever.  they are the only house in the neighborhood who don't feel like they should have to contain their dog so he's always in my and other neighbors' yards. he has scared the crap out of people who come to visit me as they are knocking on my door, he's 6 feet from them barking, growling and showing his teeth. 

should I get BSL passed for goldens in my county?   

 
jomar said:
seems like your problem is with bad owners and large dogs.  it sucks, but you can't legislate stupidity.  so lets say you get BSL pushed through and then new white trash neighbors move in with an unruly mastiff or Doberman.  then what? 
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They just moved in about just a little over a year ago so it's unlikely that they will move in. They have a pit / lab mix. I am uneasy with him, but at the same time, could possibly warm up to him. The pure pit is my issue.

Ironically, we purchased the house for $350k, which was a family discount. And, it's one of the more affluent areas of central Ohio - growth is tremendous. It's not like some white trash person will move in if they move out.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
You should just be able to list the vicious ones, can't you? I mean, you want them eliminated so you must have a pretty comprehensive list.
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Nope, not my issue or concern. My immediate concern is with the pit bull living next door to my 5 year old. Feel free to share other viscous dog stories, if you'd like.

 
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