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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
What the hell are you talking about? We “hate” the breed because unfortunately they seem to have a tendency to kill people in disproportionate numbers to other breeds. There’s a reason there’s a pit bull thread and not a golden lab thread.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree.
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Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Well, in theory, if we kill all the pit bulls, we'll solve the problem of pit bulls murdering people. So, there's that.
Wildcat
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That was my favorite suggestion in this thread. That how to behave around dogs should be required school curriculum.
I mean all dogs are equally dangerous and there are lots of dogs.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
How can anyone still defend pit bulls? I get not every pit bull is insane and violent but clearly there is something about that breed that is not like others. It seems like every pit bull tragedy is followed up by “but he was great with people and loving”. I would never own a pit and anytime I see on with my kids I caution them. My next door neighbors have 2 of them and it’s one of the reasons I upgraded to a privacy fence. Don’t trust tgat breed one bit.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Because Pit Bulls are a dog that needs proper training. They are a dog that needs extensive care and training. They are fine guard dogs and family friendly and well behaved like any other dog if properly trained. The problem is we have so many irresponsible people owning these pets especially in poorer neighborhoods because of the culture of it being "the cool dog to own" mantra. Illinois is putting in a law that holds the owner responsible for a dog attack and is barred from owning a dog up to 3 three yrs. I would go further and say up to 5-8 and like anyone on parole if violated it's jail time plus banned for life owning a dog. This Is something that should've been done years ago. It's time to stop blaming the dog and make owners held responsible. It's not the dog who's responsible but the owner who should train them. Numerous dog attacks have the same summary routinely. Non responsible owner not keeping an eye on the dog, poor fortifications that easily let the dog get out, not properly trained, aggressive dog not leashed when should be and not trained well, etc. Honestly sick of seeing dogs put down because their owner is a irresponsible jackass who probably shouldn't have been owning the animal in the first place. This law makes the owner way more responsible. Chow's are much worse then Pitbulls. The problem here is CHow's aren't the cool dog to own. Pitts are and why you see more stories of attacks by them. My grandparents had a Portuguese Water Dog (Poodle) that had to have extensive training but was well behaved. He was put down 10 years or so ago do to cancer but lived a long life. Maybe 5-6 yrs before my Pop=-Pop was walking him in the neighborhood and a German Shephard attacked the dog. Lucky our dog especaped because my Pop-Pop having been in Germany in WW2 commanded the dog in German. The problem with the owner was the dog was trained in Germany so only knew German commands and didn't remember nor said the commands correctly. Luckily my Pop=Pop knew German as in the army they had German Shepherds from Germany and knew the commands. That's just one example of a person who maybe I wouldn't say shouldn't have a dog but will say a German Shepherd of that magnitude he shouldn't have owned.
Point is you see more pitfall attacks because of the volume of people buying them and so many owners not being responsible with training and all. If CHow's or Shepherds were the dog to own then you'd see more attacks by them.
Illinois makes Dog owners of attacking dogs held responsible
Foosball God
Foos
My dog was attacked by a Pit Bull yesterday. I ended up with 3 stitches and my dog had surgery yesterday. Luckily he should recover fine. This wasn't a mistreated animal it was in our neighborhood.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Do you know the owner? Do you plan on taking civil or legal action? Best to have the dog put down if you can. You would be kicking yourself if it kills a child in 4 months.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Same question as Dedfin. I would want that dog long gone from the neighborhood. I'd let other families know there is a dangerous animal around, and I would absolutely take legal action.
I'd give the owner the options:
A) They're paying for all medical expenses incurred (not an option)
B) They can either get rid of their dog, move, or I will be filing lawsuits and contacting animal services.
Foosball God
Foos
As it happens they were dog sitting for their son, so it won't be in our neighborhood anymore. I was walking my dog, he's friendly, around 90 pounds. He's a rescue mutt, mostly hound of some kind, but to be completely honest he probably has a little pitt in him as well. Anyway, this other couple was across the street with the pitt and their small dog. My dog wanted to go say hello, I almost kept walking and now with hindsight I should have, but I stopped and asked the guy if it was OK if I brought my dog over. He said yes. So we came up, it seemed fine at first they both circled each other a few times, no growling, no hackles raised. Then the other dog growls and lunges and gets my dog by the back of the neck. The other dog actually snapped the prong collar off my dog. My dog is terrified, yelping, not fighting back just trying to get away. The other guy is trying to pull the pitt off but he's clamped down. I jumped in and was trying to pry the dog's mouth open enough to get my dog out of there. We manage to get it loose for a second but it lunged back and grabbed my dog by the throat. I could hear my dog choking. I was trying to pry the pitts jaws open. I split up my hands a decent bit on his teeth. Somehow the harness of the pitt came off so now both my dog and his don't have any collars or anything on. I finally we got him off and I was holding the pitt by the hind leg as it was still going after my dog which was now laying in the street shivering and cowering with fright. The lady that was with them had run to her house and got her car. She was able to get my dog in her car and take him the few houses down to my place while I held the pitt until the guy could get the collar and stuff on. I got home and my dog didn't seem so bad, but he was bleeding so I changed out of my work clothes and took him to the vet. They ended up keeping him all day, he had to have surgery. They sutured him up in a ton of places, he has three drainage tubes until Saturday when we take him to the vet again. Then a week after that the sutures can come out. I ended up going to the clinic and getting stitches on both hands. Animal services came by, because the clinic had me fill out a form, and took my account, they'll quarantine the dog for 10 days and evaluate then.
I don't think the neighbors knew he'd act that way at all, I didn't really know them, but they walked their other dog and always were friendly with my dog. If they thought something might happen they wouldn't have said to come over. In the end I should have known better as well, I should have kept walking. I'm just glad it wasn't my daughter, son, or wife out walking with him when it happened. They offered to pay the vet bill, I split it with them instead. I definitely could have pressed for it all, but in the end I think I should have done some things differently too, and it wasn't anything malicious on their part. They were horrified as well.
I don't think the neighbors knew he'd act that way at all, I didn't really know them, but they walked their other dog and always were friendly with my dog. If they thought something might happen they wouldn't have said to come over. In the end I should have known better as well, I should have kept walking. I'm just glad it wasn't my daughter, son, or wife out walking with him when it happened. They offered to pay the vet bill, I split it with them instead. I definitely could have pressed for it all, but in the end I think I should have done some things differently too, and it wasn't anything malicious on their part. They were horrified as well.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Yep, you’re right @DJackson10, harmelss animal this breed is. It’s all the owners, nothing to do with their dna or anything in their genetic makeup.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Never said the dog doesn't get any responsibility but it's also on the owner. Just sick and tired of dogs being held as the only thing for this. Pit Bulls have a bad rep because of scumbags turning them into fighting dogs. However there really isn't enough blame put on owners. Owning a pet is a huge responsibility especially some dogs. People think it's easy but there's certain dogs and breeds that need more care then others. Pitbulls are one of them. I've been around Dogs all my life and quite honestly I'd rather be friends with a Pitbull then most people. My brother almost got one until he found out his apartment complex didn't allow them so he got a black lab Pincher mix instead. I've had an Uncle and a cousin both have 3 Pitbulls nothing bad ever happened. They were well trained. My issues lie with blaming the dog the most because I think its a copout to not make the owner responsible. If a dog ever attacked me or my dog you know who's getting the blame? I won't ask for the dog to be put down. I'll gonna press charges on the owner instead and sue them for everything they are worth. They are the one who's suppose to train the dog properly. If you can't do that well you shouldn't be owning a dog. If you don't have the financials to properly help in their training don't get a dog.
Owning a dog is like raising a child in a way. When the child acts up the child shouldn't be blamed more then the parent who's letting their child run wild. I use to take my cousin when I babysat her to the park and there was always this one kid who was a monster. Stealing other kids stuff and being a real bully with another kid and their parents would be oblivious. A few times other parents and myself said something to both children's parents about their behavior and they scoffed at us. I took my cousin at one point who was 4 to the park and the two menaces maybe 5-6 at most 7 were there. My neighbor had kids close to my cousin's age and my neighbor who is a teacher at a private school (as well as in a band with a teacher from my school in the same neighborhood) and I took the kids to the park. We were talking and all of a sudden hear commotion at the jungle gym and rush over to see one of his on the ground next to the bridge. I look up and one of the menaces is pushing my cousin who almost falls. My neighbor rushed to get his kid and sprinted up the Gym like a cat grabbed my Cousin and started yelling at the kid. My cousin and my neighbors son said the two other boys who were bullies took the doll from my neighbor and my cousin tried to get it back. The other kid came in a pushed my neighbors daughter off the bridge. We had to take her to the ER and she broke her arm. The other two kids parents come rushing over and start yelling at me for yelling at their kid. I told them what happened and I wouldn't have to yell at your dam kid if you weren't such a ####ty irresponsible parent who taught their child how to behave and we've came over to you people like adults telling you our concerns abut your kids. The cops had to come to calm people down. My cousin I noticed had a bloody face and find out the other kid had punched my cousin and she had sprained her wrist when she was knocked over. Both my neighbor and I pressed charges on the parents of the two bullies for the hospital bills that had to be paid. Why? because it's not the Childs fault if the parent didn't teach their kid how to behave correctly and it's not mine or anyone else job to teach them. No different then owning a dog. The dog can't be fully blamed for doing something when it's not trained properly. Blaming the dog fully is just a copout and encourages poor ownership from the owner who will more then likely go and get another dog right after that.
DJackson10
Footballguy
My Uncle's Dog same Breed as my Grandparents dog wasn't attacked but was hit by a car in East Rutherford about 3 weeks ago. She died instantly. It was a normal 11PM walk for my Uncle and her as they walked the same area multiple times. There was a bus stop at the corner and my Uncle was crossing the cross walk car comes out of no where and hits the dog. The leash broke off and the dog went a good 15 ft or so. The driver must've been speeding. They stopped, my uncle rushed to dog who looked up at him died instantly. My Uncle is pressing charges for lost properly and the dog was gonna be certified as a service dog in a few days so the lawyer is trying to see if they can get the charges upgraded for her being a service dog given the time frame of when she was gonna be certified was near. My Aunt and Uncle just had their first baby in May and my Uncle is Bi-polar so there's a lot going on. She wasn't the best trained dog in terms of jumping on people and going on furniture but she was well behaved in terms of very friendly with people and all. She was 5 and basically acted like she was a lap dog and puppy still. My Uncle is a mess and I was pretty upset about it given I was one of the first people to meet the dog. I met her on my 2nd trip ever to NYC where I was introduced to my Uncle's GF now my aunt. I went up for some sight seeing after Thanksgiving and both had a few days off and I went for a weekend trip. It was my first trip over 2hrs by myself going somewhere. I took the train from 30th Street Station in Philly to NYC Grand Central. My uncle met me with the dog who I was shocked to see and it looked like my Grandparents dog who I was so close too. I remember taking her to the park in Astoria and everything back then and the other walks. My Brother who has his own dog and same color black was really upset when he heard the news of my Uncle's dog as he told my mom they were almost a hit a few months ago. You're really lucky to have your dog alive.
Morale of the story keep on the look out everywhere when walking your dog. Not just from other dogs who may not be friendly but from passing cars especially if your dog or the dog you are walking has darker fur. Whenever I walk my brothers dog at night I keep a real good hold on the leash and try to have him on my side the farthest from the street as much as possible.
Fan of Charles McCoy
Footballguy
If I were you, I’d sue that neighbor into oblivion. Pain and suffering, permanent psychological damage, etc. Until there is threat of huge monetary loss, idiots will still own these things.
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
Dood. Must be strong hands from all the Foosball? Hope you and your pal heal up quick and well.
Dedfin
Footballguy
@Foosball God Thanks for the story. It's really classy of you to not go after them for money. I do think you should look at it more like it's your duty as a citizen and neighbor to do your part to remove dangerous animals from the streets. I'd ask animal control to put it down. It's not about restitution or revenge, it's about safety.
Foosball God
Foos
Adrenalin was pumping, I was still breathing heavy at least 30 minutes after it happened. I don't know if I got it open or he just loosed up a little, but I'm just happy my dog is going to make a full recovery.
Foosball God
Foos
The thing is, I don't think this dog will go after a person. I mean I was in there wrestling with it, and I had it by the hind leg, it never snapped at me, it was going for my dog. Maybe part of it is just that I know it isn't going to be in my neighborhood and part of it is that I'm a dog guy so I don't want to force someone's dog down if it can be avoided. It might be a great family dog but just not good with other dogs.
Now I think if I were the owner and I found out about this happening I"d probably try to figure out a different solution than having it with my kids, but that's his call, not mine. Animal Services will do their part as well.
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Glad you and your dog ended up ok, and I’m glad no children were hurt. But you’re batcrap insane if you think you know this dog wouldn’t attack a person. Of course it would. They all could. And every...single... time... the owners or neighbors are like OMG IM SO SURPRISED I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED THIS DOG ATTACKING A PERSON
You people are living in a really scary little loop. Wake up.
You people are living in a really scary little loop. Wake up.
Foosball God
Foos
Otis said:
Of course any animal could. And I didn't say I "knew" I said I don't think so. I also said if I were the owner I would probably get it out of my house. I'm not going to put in extra time and extra money to make them put the dog down. If Animal Services feels like the dog is too much of a danger then they will deal with it.
Otis
Footballguy
I’m not saying I would sue the people or that I would try to have the dog killed. But it’s the right thing for them to do, and this mentality of “he’s a totally sweet dog until he kills a 5 year old” is just crazy.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Well, he already tried to kill another dog, and it sounds like he would have succeeded had Foos not intervened by prying the dog’s mouth open from around his dog’s throat, suffering his own injuries to boot. If I’m that dog’s owner, it’s being put down humanely.
Otis
Footballguy
Oh, in an instant. I couldn't make that happen fast enough. But--and sorry to generalize here, fellas--when it comes to owners of this breed, we're oftentimes not dealing with people who employ top-level judgement, or who are adept at cost/benefit analyses.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Wow, if they team up with their killer dogs then no one will be safe.Maybe it is all on the owner after all?
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Not for nothing, but who leaves their five year old without parental supervision anywhere in an airport?
Pit bull + irresponsible parent = disaster
Now the parents are suing - I can only hope every dollar goes to the little girl and can't be touched by the parents.
Pit bull + irresponsible parent = disaster
Now the parents are suing - I can only hope every dollar goes to the little girl and can't be touched by the parents.
I think calling someone "an irresponsible parent" over this is pretty ridiculous, to be honest. There could've been a coffee shop fifty feet away from where they were sitting in an airport. Provided the child is within eyesight, I see nothing wrong with telling a five year old (and per the story, her older brother) to sit tight while you grab a coffee. You can't in a million years predict a ####### pit bull is going to chew your child's face off while you wait for your plane. Sick.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'm not defending the pit bull by any means, just pointing out an example of why you don't leave your 5 year old alone in a crowded public place.
This quote makes me think the parent was more than 50 feet away, fwiw:
Of course you're not defending the pit bull, but you're pretty critical of the parent. On top of that, you're making all kinds of assumptions.
1) You have no idea how far away the parent was when getting their coffee. Apparently, close enough to hear the screams. As for that quote, "returned" could mean far enough away that they couldn't see their kids. It could also just be the way it's phrased in the story.
2) You have no idea how old the "older" brother was. Six year old? Sixteen year old? Big difference.
3) You have no idea how "crowded" the terminal was. Depending upon the terminal, time of day, and gate location, the answer could very well be "not very."
Now, if the parent left a five and six year old alone while they walked a quarter mile through the terminal to the nearest coffee shop, them they deserve a bit of criticism. I'd like to give most people the benefit of the doubt as I could envision myself telling my 4/7 year olds to sit still while I went to grab a coffee, assuming I could still keep eyes on them the entire time. And if they got attacked by a ####### pit bull in what could be as safe of a location you could be from a security perspective, you can bet I'd not only feel horribly but I'd likely also want those responsible to be held accountable. A pit bull as an emotional support animal. Smh.
Warrior
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Not really worth arguing. I agree the dog is at fault and it's terrible, let's leave it at that.
Dedfin
Footballguy
"owner was cited by police for failing to crate the dog"
THIS is what needs to change. You wanna take your dog in public and have it interact with others? You need some skin in the game. If your dog tears the face off a 5 year old girl, then you get charged with whatever collection of crimes it would be if you tore the face off a 5 year old girl. Failing to create a dog doesn't fly with normal people. That person should be doing time right next to rapists and so on.
Otis
Footballguy
Way wrong. The dog isn’t at fault. The dog is a stupid animal with a genetic predisposition to aggressively attack and maim. It doesn’t know any better.
There are a few people wildly at fault here, but, as always in these cases, it begins with square one: moron owner.
Thorn
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Otis
Footballguy
The bolded is also dangerous thinking. This isn’t about knowing your dog. Because every ... single ... time ... you read one of these stories of a pit bull attacking and maiming or killing someone, EVERYONE is seemingly completely surprised. Owners, neighbors, family members. “But she was the sweetest dog I just can’t believe this happened.”
You can’t believe this happened only because you’re a complete idiot. It’s a pit bull. This was a possibility every single day. You thought you know your dog, but it’s not a person, it’s still a dog, and a wildly dangerous one if it wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and snaps. So, this business of allowing pit bull owners to wander around in public with their dogs because they think they “know” their dog? Total nonsense.
Let me help you pit bull owners out here: you don’t know your dog. I know your dog. And guess what? It’s a liability, and could badly harm or kill another person. And if that happens, it’s on you for being dumb enough to own it. End of story really.
Doesnt do much good for the five year old. It is bizzaro world that any animal is allowed in the cabin. Seeing-eye dog being the exception.
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