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QB Jameis Winston, NO (8 Viewers)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Yes he did. The people on this board and the press had a field day with his rolled up $20 in Vegas, or the Bieber party with underage girls, or the money phone. Give me a break it's not about race but about an athlete being stupid. Ya, sure, he's a kid but when does it stop? After already being accused of rape (innocent or not this should be a grounding for an individual about the vulnerabilities of being in the spotlight), he steals crab legs and gets on a table screaming vulgarities (internet video of the moment) toward women. Shut up play football, go to class, enjoy the moments you are shielded with your teammates to not exercise discourse.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I find it laughable with the insinuation that people of other races don't find the situation Winston is in troubling. I hope that wasn't your point.
The only other angle I can spot is that you are talking about the media. Even then, I don't think it's as problematic as it was 30 years ago. Many of the most popular identities in media these days are minorities, and with social media the voices of those personalities are not limited by what the networks choose to show on their evening news.
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
The constant lying and covering up even the trivial stuff is the most troubling part about his makeup as far as I'm concerned. If I'm a GM, there's no chance this guy sees my board.
lod01
Footballguy
The Florida State report will go like this: 'We are looking into it'. Shuffle some papers around for a few minutes. 'We didn't find anything'.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
massraider
Footballguy
Any paid signing stuff is a non-story to me. I doubt NFL teams could care less about a player making money, or not making money, for signing autographs.
They might care about a player willingly breaking the rules. Or not being aware of the rules. Or thinking they're above the rules.
It isn't about the money, it's about the judgement (or lack thereof).
massraider
Footballguy
Agree with you quite a bit, it's just my opinion that a guy that took some cash for autographs is the same a guy that takes a no-show job, or gets a hundo handshake from a booster. I would guess somewhere around 80% of the NFL players that went to big time programs are guilty of this is some manner.
It's a small point, I just doubt this 'scandal' even registers on the NFL red flag Richter scale. He has plenty of other brain farts for the NFL to be worried about, and I would love to wager that this won't be his last one.
dhockster
Footballguy
You're right about the autographs by themselves not being a big deal. But add that do his other real and "alleged" transgressions and his judgment does not appear real sound. I think any team interested in his playing ability is going to do a thorough investigation into his past and will interview him multiple times to see if he has the mental makeup to make it as an NFL QB.
cstu
Footballguy
It's not caring about the NCAA's stupid rules. If someone is a junior and going to be a top pick there's no reason to care what the NCAA does. Look at Gurley - he's still going to a 1st round pick and doesn't have to wear out his body for free.
Warpig
Footballguy
I thought the same thing. What does he care about the stupid NCAA hypocrisy? He's still gonna be the first RB off the board. The only thing I felt bad about was he probably had a legit shot at winning the heisman. Kiss that goodbye now.
The NCAA rules are terrible. They make millions upon stacks of millions of dollars from selling the rights to the players' likenesses, their jerseys, etc. etc.. The players get scholarships, so they aren't totally being screwed, but it's still not an equal trade (especially when so many of the players don't actually do their classwork or attend classes). Does him being paid for autographs bother me? Not in the slightest. It's the other stuff. ALL the other stuff. Winston is a grade A d-bag. How can you trust someone to manage your team on the field when they can't manage their own life worth a damn? I wouldn't let this guy park my car let alone QB my football team (and it's not a very nice car).
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Faust
MVP
Bo Jackson washes hands of Jameis Winston:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000411285/article/bo-jackson-washes-hands-of-jameis-winston
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000411285/article/bo-jackson-washes-hands-of-jameis-winston
G
General Tso
Guest
This to me speaks volumes. Bo is not only one of the nicest people on the planet, but he's also one of the most respected people in NFL circles to this day. Just like Manziel, Winston's stock will drop precipitously because of all these character concerns. The NFL is littered with talented idiots who never amounted to anything (Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell...)
massraider
Footballguy
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/16/memorabilia-company-has-more-than-2000-jameis-winston-autographs/
NFL scouts interested in Jameis Winston may not have much more college film to study.
According to Darren Rovell of ESPN, James Spence Authentication has more than 2,000 authentic items signed by the Florida State quarterback on its website.
The owner of the company has declined to identify how the items have been acquired. However, James Spence told Rovell that, as of noon ET on Thursday, no one from Florida State had attempted to determine how the signatures were authenticated.
The easiest way to authenticate autographs is to personally observe the creation of them. And that rarely happens unless the person providing the autographs has set up shop for the purposes of signing item after item after item. Even more rarely does that happen for free.
Winston has told coach Jimbo Fisher that the 2013 Heisman winner was not paid for the autographs. Which a reasonable person would expect a college athlete to say if: (1) he wasn’t paid for the autographs; or (2) if he was.
NFL scouts interested in Jameis Winston may not have much more college film to study.
According to Darren Rovell of ESPN, James Spence Authentication has more than 2,000 authentic items signed by the Florida State quarterback on its website.
The owner of the company has declined to identify how the items have been acquired. However, James Spence told Rovell that, as of noon ET on Thursday, no one from Florida State had attempted to determine how the signatures were authenticated.
The easiest way to authenticate autographs is to personally observe the creation of them. And that rarely happens unless the person providing the autographs has set up shop for the purposes of signing item after item after item. Even more rarely does that happen for free.
Winston has told coach Jimbo Fisher that the 2013 Heisman winner was not paid for the autographs. Which a reasonable person would expect a college athlete to say if: (1) he wasn’t paid for the autographs; or (2) if he was.
cstu
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
Jameis Winston expected to enter NFL Draft, but won't drop out of FSU:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24758759/jameis-winston-expected-to-enter-nfl-draft-but-wont-drop-out-of-fsu
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24758759/jameis-winston-expected-to-enter-nfl-draft-but-wont-drop-out-of-fsu
cstu
Footballguy
It was such a joke when people were saying he would stay in school. At least now they're being honest.
Premier
Footballguy
It was not a joke. The reason people thought this is because he legitimately loves playing baseball and he won't get to do it again. Obviously things have changed though for him now.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Short of murdering a person, with several witnesses, video tape, and dna linking Winston directly to the murder...what else would Jameis have to do to be kicked off the team? Kicked out of FSU? Anything? FSU has attached their wagon to Winston, and they are gonna ride that ##### however far it can take them. Damn the way it looks, or the fallout later. I hope that everything comes up smelling like roses for Winston, but if it doesn't and he is in the NFL, I hope that Jimbo is not allowed to jump ship at FSU and just go to another school.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-watch--shaun-king-says-winston-is--10-times--the-prospect-mariota-is-184831527.html
The conversation will grow over the next six months. So let’s start it early.
You’re a quarterback-needy team and your choice is this: Florida State's Jameis Winston or Oregon's Marcus Mariota.
On the surface, it appears easy. Winston has trouble written all over him, with off-field problems galore, and Mariota, the clean record and clean-throwing (zero interceptions in 188 passes this season) quarterback, is the obvious choice.
Right?
It’s not that clear-cut. Not at all.
If we are to boil the players down simply on football talent and quarterbacking potential on the next level, Winston — not Mariota — might be the more enticing prospect.
So says former NFL quarterback and Yahoo NFL analyst Shaun King. I asked King to ignore character completely, for argument's sake, and strictly grade each player on their talent and NFL upside.
“In my opinion, if I am grading them, Winston is 10 times the prospect Mariota is,” King said.
What, then, makes Winston so special?
“Physically, he has great size — 6-4, very sturdy build. Built like a pro prospect. Big-time arm — can make all the throws. Great intangibles. Winner. Big-time, big-platform résumé.
“He plays his best on the brightest stages. Last year in the Clemson game, the second half of the national title game, this year’s Notre Dame game. Early in the season, second half against [Oklahoma State], he always plays his best in those moments. He just has a knack for it.”
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Not that King is down on Mariota. There’s a lot to like, he says.
“I think he has elite athleticism,” King said. “Whereas Winston has great athleticism for a guy his size, Mariota has elite athleticism. He has a good arm; he doesn’t have as big an arm as Winston. He has good size. He’s tall. He’s smart, too.”
King is careful not to make too deep a character assessment on either player but says you can tell a lot about their personalities based on the way they play.
“The difference between the two … Winston is a football player. He rises to the occasion. He has that emotion in a player that you’re looking for,” King said. “That’s a question about Mariota, as is him playing his best when the lights are brightest.
“The difference in their personalities comes through in how they play. Mariota is really laid back. He plays like that. At some point, I think in football I think you have to be ratcheted up a little bit. I’ve never seen him call out one of his teammates for messing up. Winston is the polar opposite.”
We don't yet know what Mariota's plans are following his junior season, but reports have surfaced that Winston is planning to leave school after this season. At this point, it would be a surprise if either returns. NFL scouts already have done work on these underclassmen with the idea that they will be available in the 2015 NFL draft.
I suggest a Winston comparison of Ben Roethlisberger and a Mariota comparison of Alex Smith, or perhaps a slightly better-running version of Smith. King agrees on both — to a certain extent — but says he thinks he knows whose personality Mariota is most similar to.
“See, I think Mariota, personality-wise, is like Joe Flacco. He has a really laid-back off-field demeanor,” King said.
And as for Winston …
“Yeah, [Winston is] a special athlete, but he’s Big Ben special not RG3 special. For a big guy, he’s a great athlete. He’s got a lot of Big Ben to him. Gets out of a lot of sacks. He’ll pick up a first down [with his legs].”
In terms of temperament and being prone to extend plays, even when that’s not the best idea, the Roethlisberger comparison also works for King.
“Absolutely,” King said. “In my opinion, that would be one weakness right now. He’s overaggressive at times. There are some inconsistencies in his decision-making. But you’ll take that. A lot of great ones have that.”
Winston is a pro-style quarterback, King said, and Mariota still has not shown that in his mind.
“I do think there are some question marks about [whether] can Mariota adapt to a different system,” King said. “If I was a team that was really interested in him, I would have to be convinced that he can come from under center, take five- and seven-step drops, and can throw an NFL route tree.
“Winston makes those NFL-type passes. Mariota doesn’t. He throws a lot of screens. He throws a lot of gimmicky stuff with guys running wide open because of their tempo. The windows Mariota is throwing into are nowhere near as tight as the ones Winston is throwing into.”
And yet, there still remains the daunting character issue, which could be a game-changer. There will be no dirt on Mariota, unless people nitpick with his laid-back style. As for Winston, it’s not going to be pretty — from his sexual assault allegations to bouts of immaturity with suspensions at Florida State.
King says that could be a game-changing factor for their draft stocks. But in his mind, there isn’t enough dirt that he knows of to knock Winston down too far next spring. King’s belief: Teams will be enamored with his talent.
“If you’re asking will it affect him with some teams? Absolutely. Do I think he falls outside the top 10? Absolutely not,” King said. “Would it impact me if I was making that decision? No, I’d take him No. 1.”
The conversation will grow over the next six months. So let’s start it early.
You’re a quarterback-needy team and your choice is this: Florida State's Jameis Winston or Oregon's Marcus Mariota.
On the surface, it appears easy. Winston has trouble written all over him, with off-field problems galore, and Mariota, the clean record and clean-throwing (zero interceptions in 188 passes this season) quarterback, is the obvious choice.
Right?
It’s not that clear-cut. Not at all.
If we are to boil the players down simply on football talent and quarterbacking potential on the next level, Winston — not Mariota — might be the more enticing prospect.
So says former NFL quarterback and Yahoo NFL analyst Shaun King. I asked King to ignore character completely, for argument's sake, and strictly grade each player on their talent and NFL upside.
“In my opinion, if I am grading them, Winston is 10 times the prospect Mariota is,” King said.
What, then, makes Winston so special?
“Physically, he has great size — 6-4, very sturdy build. Built like a pro prospect. Big-time arm — can make all the throws. Great intangibles. Winner. Big-time, big-platform résumé.
“He plays his best on the brightest stages. Last year in the Clemson game, the second half of the national title game, this year’s Notre Dame game. Early in the season, second half against [Oklahoma State], he always plays his best in those moments. He just has a knack for it.”
View gallery
.
Not that King is down on Mariota. There’s a lot to like, he says.
“I think he has elite athleticism,” King said. “Whereas Winston has great athleticism for a guy his size, Mariota has elite athleticism. He has a good arm; he doesn’t have as big an arm as Winston. He has good size. He’s tall. He’s smart, too.”
King is careful not to make too deep a character assessment on either player but says you can tell a lot about their personalities based on the way they play.
“The difference between the two … Winston is a football player. He rises to the occasion. He has that emotion in a player that you’re looking for,” King said. “That’s a question about Mariota, as is him playing his best when the lights are brightest.
“The difference in their personalities comes through in how they play. Mariota is really laid back. He plays like that. At some point, I think in football I think you have to be ratcheted up a little bit. I’ve never seen him call out one of his teammates for messing up. Winston is the polar opposite.”
We don't yet know what Mariota's plans are following his junior season, but reports have surfaced that Winston is planning to leave school after this season. At this point, it would be a surprise if either returns. NFL scouts already have done work on these underclassmen with the idea that they will be available in the 2015 NFL draft.
I suggest a Winston comparison of Ben Roethlisberger and a Mariota comparison of Alex Smith, or perhaps a slightly better-running version of Smith. King agrees on both — to a certain extent — but says he thinks he knows whose personality Mariota is most similar to.
“See, I think Mariota, personality-wise, is like Joe Flacco. He has a really laid-back off-field demeanor,” King said.
And as for Winston …
“Yeah, [Winston is] a special athlete, but he’s Big Ben special not RG3 special. For a big guy, he’s a great athlete. He’s got a lot of Big Ben to him. Gets out of a lot of sacks. He’ll pick up a first down [with his legs].”
In terms of temperament and being prone to extend plays, even when that’s not the best idea, the Roethlisberger comparison also works for King.
“Absolutely,” King said. “In my opinion, that would be one weakness right now. He’s overaggressive at times. There are some inconsistencies in his decision-making. But you’ll take that. A lot of great ones have that.”
Winston is a pro-style quarterback, King said, and Mariota still has not shown that in his mind.
“I do think there are some question marks about [whether] can Mariota adapt to a different system,” King said. “If I was a team that was really interested in him, I would have to be convinced that he can come from under center, take five- and seven-step drops, and can throw an NFL route tree.
“Winston makes those NFL-type passes. Mariota doesn’t. He throws a lot of screens. He throws a lot of gimmicky stuff with guys running wide open because of their tempo. The windows Mariota is throwing into are nowhere near as tight as the ones Winston is throwing into.”
And yet, there still remains the daunting character issue, which could be a game-changer. There will be no dirt on Mariota, unless people nitpick with his laid-back style. As for Winston, it’s not going to be pretty — from his sexual assault allegations to bouts of immaturity with suspensions at Florida State.
King says that could be a game-changing factor for their draft stocks. But in his mind, there isn’t enough dirt that he knows of to knock Winston down too far next spring. King’s belief: Teams will be enamored with his talent.
“If you’re asking will it affect him with some teams? Absolutely. Do I think he falls outside the top 10? Absolutely not,” King said. “Would it impact me if I was making that decision? No, I’d take him No. 1.”
lod01
Footballguy
There will definitely be a really mis-managed team picking early that will take him. That's why they always pick early.
lod01
Footballguy
I would say it's because he actually isn't very good but plays for a team that is very good around him. Dude is at best a middle of the road ham and egger QB at the next level.
Premier
Footballguy
he is BY FAR the best player on the team. There isn't anybody even close to him actually.
lod01
Footballguy
Of course you are going to say that. You scream bias when it comes to Winston. I'm telling you right now, that this guy won't last 4 years in the NFL and will drag down whatever team he plays for. The team that drafts him will know that they made a colossal mistake early but will be forced to keep putting him out on the field until it just becomes embarrassing to do so. Luckily the NFL changed their rookie salaries or this guy would be J-Fat Russell v2.
cstu
Footballguy
He's passing more this year and completing 70.6% of his passes this year compared to 66.9% last year.
His YPA and TD's are down but that's due to not having a big play weapon like Benjamin.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think that is a great Rap name. J-Fat Russell v2 is in the house!!!!!Of course you are going to say that. You scream bias when it comes to Winston. I'm telling you right now, that this guy won't last 4 years in the NFL and will drag down whatever team he plays for. The team that drafts him will know that they made a colossal mistake early but will be forced to keep putting him out on the field until it just becomes embarrassing to do so. Luckily the NFL changed their rookie salaries or this guy would be J-Fat Russell v2.
Premier
Footballguy
Unless he gets drafted by the Bucs I couldn't possibly care less how he does in the nfl. That's not the part of your comment I was laughing at.Of course you are going to say that. You scream bias when it comes to Winston. I'm telling you right now, that this guy won't last 4 years in the NFL and will drag down whatever team he plays for. The team that drafts him will know that they made a colossal mistake early but will be forced to keep putting him out on the field until it just becomes embarrassing to do so. Luckily the NFL changed their rookie salaries or this guy would be J-Fat Russell v2.
steelers1080
Footballguy
He looked pretty good last night. At least one of his INTs was an amazing throw and the WR just stopped running. For literally no reason. I loved it since I wanted Louisville to win, but his 2nd pick could hardly be blamed on him, it would have been a great throw had the WR finished his route.
Afterwards on the sideline they showed the coach, the WR, and Winston. The coach just stood there and Winston reamed out the WR while he nodded and looked away. Winston really runs this team on the field and it's hard to argue that he's a winner. He just finds ways to win games, and on the field that's all that matters.
Will he stay on the field and not get suspended for seasons at a time? Who knows. If he can stop being immature and maybe get a life coach or something perhaps he can turn things around like Dez in Dallas.
Afterwards on the sideline they showed the coach, the WR, and Winston. The coach just stood there and Winston reamed out the WR while he nodded and looked away. Winston really runs this team on the field and it's hard to argue that he's a winner. He just finds ways to win games, and on the field that's all that matters.
Will he stay on the field and not get suspended for seasons at a time? Who knows. If he can stop being immature and maybe get a life coach or something perhaps he can turn things around like Dez in Dallas.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Good game last night Jamarcus Russell, er I mean jameis.
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