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On 9/3/2020 at 2:42 AM, Juxtatarot said:

11. Do you believe that the QAnon theory about a conspiracy among deep state elites is true?


Yes, mostly true 16%
Yes, some parts are true 16%

No, not true at all 43%

I've never heard of QAnon 14%

Unsure 11%

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Would be interesting to have that broken down by party affiliation because these people will not be going away any time soon

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20 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Among Republicans it's:

33 - Yes mostly true

23 - Yes partly true

13 - No not true

19 - Never heard of Qanon

12 - Unsure

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So, if I read that right, potentially 75 million Americans believe that Democrat politicians, such as Hillary Clinton, are running a pedophile ring in a non existing basement of Comet Pizza?

Or has it evolved?

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37 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Among Republicans it's:

33 - Yes mostly true

23 - Yes partly true

13 - No not true

19 - Never heard of Qanon

12 - Unsure

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So, if I read that right, potentially 75 million Americans believe that Democrat politicians, such as Hillary Clinton, are running a pedophile ring in a non existing basement of Comet Pizza?

Or has it evolved?

 

Whatever happened to the people that pushed that conspiracy on this site? They still around?

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4 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

In this thread there was only one.  I think he was banned.

There was one more active in the Seth Rich thing that defenitely is still active. Not sure whether he/she posted in this thread

 

On 8/20/2020 at 1:30 PM, Workhorse said:

I have a feeling that when Biden takes office next year, QANON will become an accepted part of Republican discourse. Seriously.

I believe there is a candidate for Senate from one of the Southern States that actively endorses QAnon. I forget her name but she won her primary recently

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Among Republicans it's:

33 - Yes mostly true

23 - Yes partly true

13 - No not true

19 - Never heard of Qanon

12 - Unsure

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I'm not sure what worries me more, that most conservatives believe this, or that they are likely to regain power even if they lose this year.

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2 hours ago, msommer said:
2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Among Republicans it's:

33 - Yes mostly true

23 - Yes partly true

13 - No not true

19 - Never heard of Qanon

12 - Unsure

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So, if I read that right, potentially 75 million Americans believe that Democrat politicians, such as Hillary Clinton, are running a pedophile ring in a non existing basement of Comet Pizza?

Or has it evolved?

Technically, Pizzagate (which started in October 2016) is a separate conspiracy that predates Qanon (which started in October 2017). If I could sum them each up with just one sentence, it would be:

Pizzagate: the belief that Hillary Clinton and other prominent Democrats are running a child-trafficking ring out of the (non-existent) basement of a pizza place.

Qanon: the belief that Satan worshippers, in conjunction with the Hollywood liberal elite, under the supervision of the Democratic party, have formed a cabal which secretly runs the world and controls the government and the media, covering up their pedophilia and other crimes; and Donald Trump (with backing from the U.S. military) knows all about it and is secretly planning to unmask and arrest the offenders, crush the "Deep State" once and for all, and unleash a new utopian society upon the country.

There's a lot of overlap here, and I don't think it's a coincidence that Qanon started to gather steam just as Pizzagate started to fizzle out.

(I also don't think it's a coincidence that Qanon uses apocalyptic language that echoes religious "End Times" prophecies.)

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Among Republicans it's:

33 - Yes mostly true

23 - Yes partly true

13 - No not true

19 - Never heard of Qanon

12 - Unsure

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I'm not sure what worries me more, that most conservatives believe this, or that they are likely to regain power even if they lose this year.

I think the question was posed in a way that increases the likelihood of answering "Yes".

Instead of asking, "Do you believe there's a conspiracy involving deep state elites?", they should have asked "Do you believe there's a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run the country, and if so, do you believe that Donald Trump is secretly working to expose them and overthrow them?"

Because there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't buy in to the actual "Qanon" theory, but do believe that Democrats and bureaucrats (Obama, Comey, various FBI agents, Parks Department employees, et. al.) are collectively attempting to undermine Trump and Republicans. In that context, I can see why someone might answer "mostly true" or "partly true" to the question as written.

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1 hour ago, [scooter] said:

I think the question was posed in a way that increases the likelihood of answering "Yes".

Instead of asking, "Do you believe there's a conspiracy involving deep state elites?", they should have asked "Do you believe there's a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run the country, and if so, do you believe that Donald Trump is secretly working to expose them and overthrow them?"

Because there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't buy in to the actual "Qanon" theory, but do believe that Democrats and bureaucrats (Obama, Comey, various FBI agents, Parks Department employees, et. al.) are collectively attempting to undermine Trump and Republicans. In that context, I can see why someone might answer "mostly true" or "partly true" to the question as written.

You'd have to be an absolute crackpot to answer yes to even your more benign question. I'm also far from convinced there would be much difference in the answers to your questions from Trump supporters/voters

 

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1 hour ago, pollardsvision said:

That would make sense. 

And as much as I dislike Trump as President, I'm more worried about when Miller becomes President. 

I don’t think he has the charisma. I think he’s more of a behind the scenes Karl Rove type. Trump had years in the public eye to promote himself. A lot (maybe most) Americans have no idea who Stephen miller is.

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2 hours ago, pollardsvision said:

That would make sense. 

And as much as I dislike Trump as President, I'm more worried about when Miller becomes President. 

If Trump wins in November, the next 4 years will be Miller’s first term. The checks and balances in the government are broken and increasingly the court of public opinion hasn’t been able to stop the horrible ideas. If he manages to get 4 more years, you’ll see boarder separation and worse because who will stop them? Every bad idea Miller has will happen.

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1 hour ago, Biff84 said:

If Trump wins in November, the next 4 years will be Miller’s first term. The checks and balances in the government are broken and increasingly the court of public opinion hasn’t been able to stop the horrible ideas. If he manages to get 4 more years, you’ll see boarder separation and worse because who will stop them? Every bad idea Miller has will happen.

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We are a failed state.

https://time.com/5887437/conspiracy-theories-2020-election/

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But by far the greatest delusions I heard came from voters on the right. More than a third of the Trump supporters I spoke with voiced some kind of conspiratorial thinking. “COVID could have been released by communist China to bring down our economy,” says John Poulos, loading groceries into his car outside Sendik’s grocery store in the Milwaukee suburb of Wauwatosa. “COVID was manufactured,” says Maureen Bloedorn, walking into a Dollar Tree in Kenosha. She did not vote for Trump in 2016 but plans to support him in November, in part because “he sent Obama a bill for all of his vacations he took on the American dime.” This idea was popularized by a fake news story that originated on a satirical website and went viral.

On a cigarette break outside their small business in Ozaukee County, Tina Arthur and Marcella Frank told me they plan to vote for Trump again because they are deeply alarmed by “the cabal.” They’ve heard “numerous reports” that the COVID-19 tents set up in New York and California were actually for children who had been rescued from underground sex-trafficking tunnels.

Arthur and Frank explained they’re not followers of QAnon. Frank says she spends most of her free time researching child sex trafficking, while Arthur adds that she often finds this information on the Russian-owned search engine Yandex. Frank’s eyes fill with tears as she describes what she’s found: children who are being raped and tortured so that “the cabal” can “extract their blood and drink it.” She says Trump has seized the blood on the black market as part of his fight against the cabal. “I think if Biden wins, the world is over, basically,” adds Arthur. “I would honestly try to leave the country. And if that wasn’t an option, I would probably take my children and sit in the garage and turn my car on and it would be over.”

 

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1 hour ago, Tolstoy said:

I'm uncomfortable with the media "outing" private citizens who have not committed a crime.

This situation seems like a bit of a grey area, though -- it looks like the outing/website removal took place before Bloomberg reported on the story, but I'm not sure if it was necessary for them to publicize his alleged LinkedIn profile and his alleged place of work.

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On 8/9/2018 at 1:23 AM, Bozeman Bruiser said:

There are several sites that aggregate all Q posts (from the chan board that anons ask questions and converse with Q, and the dedicated Q board).

On these sites you will only see posts directly from Q, either stand alone drops or responses to questions from anons, but no irrelevant back and forths or wild goose chase that tend to show up on the regular boards.

qmap.pub is one that is popular, it allows you to search, sort, and add tweets from POTUS in the timeline to see them and the Q posts side by side (a lot of the Q anons believe that Trump coordinates certain tweets with Q drops, there is even some sort of timestamp significance which is over my head). I have never used this site until just now because I forgot the name of the site I go to, lol.

The site I use to check Q posts is qanon.app

It is a more basic version of the site above. Only shows direct Q drops and responses from Q.

 

^^Qmap is the one that was just shut down, it's obviously been a source for Boze in the past, explains a lot.

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A popular website for posts about the conspiracy group QAnon abruptly shut down after a fact-checking group identified the developer as a New Jersey man.

Qmap.pub is among the largest websites promoting the QAnon conspiracy, with over 10 million visitors in July, according to web analytics firm SimilarWeb Ltd., and served as the primary archive of QAnon’s posts. The website aggregates posts by Q, the anonymous figure behind the QAnon theory, and the creator of the Qmap.pub website is known online only as “QAppAnon.” ...

Reached outside his home, Gelinas declined to comment on the Logically report, saying only that someone had sent it to him on Twitter after it was published.

“I’m not going to comment on any of that,” Gelinas said when asked if he was behind the website Qmap. “I’m not going to get involved. I want to stay out of it.”

Wearing an American flag baseball cap, Gelinas said that QAnon is a “patriotic movement to save the country.”

Hours after the initial contact from Bloomberg News, the website was no longer accessible.

A LinkedIn profile for Gelinas says he works as an information security analyst at Citigroup. Citigroup declined to comment.

...QAppAnon, the online name of qmap’s creator, also runs a Patreon account, which receives more than $3,000 a month in donations, according to the Patreon site. In March, QAppAnon announced on Patreon an upcoming Android app named “Armor of God,” a social network for followers of QAnon. ...

 

It's a corporate IT guy who monetized the site and was making money off it.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It's a corporate IT guy who monetized the site and was making money off it.

Pretty smart guy.  Fleecing rubes.
(oh and fanning the flames of conspiracy, hate, and standing by as those flames consume the USA, or at least get some people really hurt or killed).

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6 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

Pretty smart guy.  Fleecing rubes.
(oh and fanning the flames of conspiracy, hate, and standing by as those flames consume the USA, or at least get some people really hurt or killed).

Sounds like a Trump protégé. Someone find him a cabinet position!

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On 8/20/2020 at 8:09 PM, Herb said:

There is no individual on earth singularly holding more personal responsibility for where we are as a politically divided nation than Rush Limbaugh. The type of hateful partisan rhetoric from the left and center directed at Trump and his supporters that conservatives have only recently begun noticing and chastising has been pouring out of this guy's piehole for over 30 years. 

Continuing my thoughts on this "man" will get me a long vacation so I'll be done now.

Actually ... Newt Gingrich started it

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2 hours ago, JAA said:

Actually ... Newt Gingrich started it

I know where you're coming from, but that's not really what I meant. Gingrich became speaker in January of 1995. While he was elected to congress in 1979, he really made his name in the early 90s after Clinton was elected.  That's when he made gridlock and partisan obstruction the norm in congress.

Limbaugh has been lying and spreading hate and division on a national scale since August of 1988 and was a wildly popular radio personality in California before that.

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23 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

From the comments: "sometimes you wonder why these people are so, so convinced that practically everyone else in the world is some kind of pedo and then you see something like this and it’s like “oh THAT’S why”. It’s “everyone else in the world must be some kind of pedo TOO; it can’t just be me”"

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18 hours ago, Herb said:
21 hours ago, JAA said:

Actually ... Newt Gingrich started it

I know where you're coming from, but that's not really what I meant. Gingrich became speaker in January of 1995. While he was elected to congress in 1979, he really made his name in the early 90s after Clinton was elected.  That's when he made gridlock and partisan obstruction the norm in congress.

Limbaugh has been lying and spreading hate and division on a national scale since August of 1988 and was a wildly popular radio personality in California before that.

Agree to disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich#Role_in_political_polarization

Newt made it OK, he paved the way while showing it would work.

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2 hours ago, mcintyre1 said:

Said he knew nothing about them but knows... "Let me just tell you what I do hear about, it is they are very strongly against pedophilia and I agree with that. I do agree with that very strongly".   The dude is unreal, just unreal.

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8 hours ago, dkp993 said:

Said he knew nothing about them but knows... "Let me just tell you what I do hear about, it is they are very strongly against pedophilia and I agree with that. I do agree with that very strongly".   The dude is unreal, just unreal.

"I know absolutely nothing about them, but here is their core conspiracy about kids that I very much support!"

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"They're fighting pedophilia"--Trump

 

Umm, no.  They are not fighting pedophilia.  Spending all your time online, reading conspiracy theory, and 'decoding'........whatever it is they are decoding, is not fighting anything.  

They have,  however, developed a history of kidnapping children.  

The fact that it was necessary to bump this thread is not good for Trump.  Umm let's see, Ukraine natural gas company over here, Satanic baby-eating cult over here.  :thumbup:

Anytime anyone brings up Ukraine Emails, Biden campaign can just say, "Qanon believes that Tom Hanks eats babies, and that JFK Jr. attends Trump rallies!!" :tinfoilhat:

 

It'll work like a charm, because Fox News has trained their viewership.  

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On 12/21/2018 at 3:25 PM, Maurile Tremblay said:

A while ago I put together a list on twitter comprising QAnon-themed accounts. A sampling from that feed today:

  • Harvey Weinstein sexual assault case will move forward.
  • Public support for the border wall is at an all-time high.
  • Leftists panic as Justice Ginsburg has cancerous tumor removed.
  • Rep. Gohmert says building the wall will be key to Trump's reelection.
  • Deep State propping up Justice Ginsburg like Weekend At Bernie's.
  • Donald Trump Jr. scorches Ocasio-Cortez for whining about ‘Fake News.’
  • GoFundMe outreach for Trump wall races past $11 million, with a goal of $1 billion.
  • Trump condemns the Democrat Shutdown.
  • Democratic operatives created fake Russian bots designed to link Kremlin to Roy Moore in Alabama race.
  • General Mattis was fired by Obama cronies for opposing the former President's Iran deal.

You know what's not there in any post I've seen today? Anything at all about QAnon. Is that particular strain of the overall conspiracy theory dead now?

This hasn’t aged well

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I am interested to see what pivot there is if Trump loses the election.

A big big part of this nonsense is the files that  get declassified, blowing the lid off the entire pedo operation, and the sealed indictments.  For those that haven't read much about this, there are somewhere between 50,000 and 140,000 sealed indictments, that are ready to drop......any day now.  

Very early on in the QAnon movement, it occurred to me that this theory has an expiration date. This seems like a big flaw. Whenever Trump is not in power, how can he expose the Satanic pedo ring?  

YouTube shutting down the big channels is really big, and if they take away the monetization from the most popular grifters, will this thing lose steam?  The sheep, older Americans that are basically suckers (sadly), they feed off the motivated younger snake oil salesmen, who are making money off their channels.  

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14 minutes ago, massraider said:

I am interested to see what pivot there is if Trump loses the election.

A big big part of this nonsense is the files that  get declassified, blowing the lid off the entire pedo operation, and the sealed indictments.  For those that haven't read much about this, there are somewhere between 50,000 and 140,000 sealed indictments, that are ready to drop......any day now.  

Very early on in the QAnon movement, it occurred to me that this theory has an expiration date. This seems like a big flaw. Whenever Trump is not in power, how can he expose the Satanic pedo ring?  

YouTube shutting down the big channels is really big, and if they take away the monetization from the most popular grifters, will this thing lose steam?  The sheep, older Americans that are basically suckers (sadly), they feed off the motivated younger snake oil salesmen, who are making money off their channels.  

There's never a need to pivot when you troll - just move on to the next thing and don't address anything.  You can find plenty of examples of just that in the PSF. 

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