Insomniac
Footballguy
I'm not sure what worries me more, that most conservatives believe this, or that they are likely to regain power even if they lose this year.
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Footballguy
Technically, Pizzagate (which started in October 2016) is a separate conspiracy that predates Qanon (which started in October 2017). If I could sum them each up with just one sentence, it would be:
Pizzagate: the belief that Hillary Clinton and other prominent Democrats are running a child-trafficking ring out of the (non-existent) basement of a pizza place.
Qanon: the belief that Satan worshippers, in conjunction with the Hollywood liberal elite, under the supervision of the Democratic party, have formed a cabal which secretly runs the world and controls the government and the media, covering up their pedophilia and other crimes; and Donald Trump (with backing from the U.S. military) knows all about it and is secretly planning to unmask and arrest the offenders, crush the "Deep State" once and for all, and unleash a new utopian society upon the country.
There's a lot of overlap here, and I don't think it's a coincidence that Qanon started to gather steam just as Pizzagate started to fizzle out.
(I also don't think it's a coincidence that Qanon uses apocalyptic language that echoes religious "End Times" prophecies.)
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I think the question was posed in a way that increases the likelihood of answering "Yes".
Instead of asking, "Do you believe there's a conspiracy involving deep state elites?", they should have asked "Do you believe there's a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run the country, and if so, do you believe that Donald Trump is secretly working to expose them and overthrow them?"
Because there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't buy in to the actual "Qanon" theory, but do believe that Democrats and bureaucrats (Obama, Comey, various FBI agents, Parks Department employees, et. al.) are collectively attempting to undermine Trump and Republicans. In that context, I can see why someone might answer "mostly true" or "partly true" to the question as written.
Insomniac
Footballguy
You'd have to be an absolute crackpot to answer yes to even your more benign question. I'm also far from convinced there would be much difference in the answers to your questions from Trump supporters/voters
pollardsvision
Footballguy
That would make sense.
And as much as I dislike Trump as President, I'm more worried about when Miller becomes President.
msommer
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I don’t think he has the charisma. I think he’s more of a behind the scenes Karl Rove type. Trump had years in the public eye to promote himself. A lot (maybe most) Americans have no idea who Stephen miller is.
If Trump wins in November, the next 4 years will be Miller’s first term. The checks and balances in the government are broken and increasingly the court of public opinion hasn’t been able to stop the horrible ideas. If he manages to get 4 more years, you’ll see boarder separation and worse because who will stop them? Every bad idea Miller has will happen.
msommer
Footballguy
Workhorse
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
H Jass
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
I'm uncomfortable with the media "outing" private citizens who have not committed a crime.
This situation seems like a bit of a grey area, though -- it looks like the outing/website removal took place before Bloomberg reported on the story, but I'm not sure if it was necessary for them to publicize his alleged LinkedIn profile and his alleged place of work.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
^^Qmap is the one that was just shut down, it's obviously been a source for Boze in the past, explains a lot.
It's a corporate IT guy who monetized the site and was making money off it.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Pretty smart guy. Fleecing rubes.
(oh and fanning the flames of conspiracy, hate, and standing by as those flames consume the USA, or at least get some people really hurt or killed).
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JAA
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Herb
Footballguy
I know where you're coming from, but that's not really what I meant. Gingrich became speaker in January of 1995. While he was elected to congress in 1979, he really made his name in the early 90s after Clinton was elected. That's when he made gridlock and partisan obstruction the norm in congress.
Limbaugh has been lying and spreading hate and division on a national scale since August of 1988 and was a wildly popular radio personality in California before that.
[scooter]
Footballguy
From the comments: "sometimes you wonder why these people are so, so convinced that practically everyone else in the world is some kind of pedo and then you see something like this and it’s like “oh THAT’S why”. It’s “everyone else in the world must be some kind of pedo TOO; it can’t just be me”"
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I realize how nutty it is to recommend a 75-minute video (!) but Folding Ideas' "Looking for a Flat Earth" on youtube is a great snapshot of the Q mentality.
JAA
Footballguy
Agree to disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich#Role_in_political_polarizationHerb said:
Newt made it OK, he paved the way while showing it would work.
beef
Footballguy
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Tonight was their “stand back and stand by” moment. They must be so Proud!
dkp993
Footballguy
Said he knew nothing about them but knows... "Let me just tell you what I do hear about, it is they are very strongly against pedophilia and I agree with that. I do agree with that very strongly". The dude is unreal, just unreal.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Surprised they didn’t just ask for a cut of the profits from the web page considering how corrupt they are.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
"I know absolutely nothing about them, but here is their core conspiracy about kids that I very much support!"
massraider
Footballguy
"They're fighting pedophilia"--Trump
Umm, no. They are not fighting pedophilia. Spending all your time online, reading conspiracy theory, and 'decoding'........whatever it is they are decoding, is not fighting anything.
They have, however, developed a history of kidnapping children.
The fact that it was necessary to bump this thread is not good for Trump. Umm let's see, Ukraine natural gas company over here, Satanic baby-eating cult over here.
Anytime anyone brings up Ukraine Emails, Biden campaign can just say, "Qanon believes that Tom Hanks eats babies, and that JFK Jr. attends Trump rallies!!"
It'll work like a charm, because Fox News has trained their viewership.
Umm, no. They are not fighting pedophilia. Spending all your time online, reading conspiracy theory, and 'decoding'........whatever it is they are decoding, is not fighting anything.
They have, however, developed a history of kidnapping children.
The fact that it was necessary to bump this thread is not good for Trump. Umm let's see, Ukraine natural gas company over here, Satanic baby-eating cult over here.
Anytime anyone brings up Ukraine Emails, Biden campaign can just say, "Qanon believes that Tom Hanks eats babies, and that JFK Jr. attends Trump rallies!!"
It'll work like a charm, because Fox News has trained their viewership.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I am interested to see what pivot there is if Trump loses the election.
A big big part of this nonsense is the files that get declassified, blowing the lid off the entire pedo operation, and the sealed indictments. For those that haven't read much about this, there are somewhere between 50,000 and 140,000 sealed indictments, that are ready to drop......any day now.
Very early on in the QAnon movement, it occurred to me that this theory has an expiration date. This seems like a big flaw. Whenever Trump is not in power, how can he expose the Satanic pedo ring?
YouTube shutting down the big channels is really big, and if they take away the monetization from the most popular grifters, will this thing lose steam? The sheep, older Americans that are basically suckers (sadly), they feed off the motivated younger snake oil salesmen, who are making money off their channels.
A big big part of this nonsense is the files that get declassified, blowing the lid off the entire pedo operation, and the sealed indictments. For those that haven't read much about this, there are somewhere between 50,000 and 140,000 sealed indictments, that are ready to drop......any day now.
Very early on in the QAnon movement, it occurred to me that this theory has an expiration date. This seems like a big flaw. Whenever Trump is not in power, how can he expose the Satanic pedo ring?
YouTube shutting down the big channels is really big, and if they take away the monetization from the most popular grifters, will this thing lose steam? The sheep, older Americans that are basically suckers (sadly), they feed off the motivated younger snake oil salesmen, who are making money off their channels.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
There's never a need to pivot when you troll - just move on to the next thing and don't address anything. You can find plenty of examples of just that in the PSF.
Possum
Footballguy
these people are absolutely nuts, just like all the other millions of conspiracy theorists out there on the internet pushing their stupid beliefs. It's amazing to me how often some otherwise normal-seeming person these days will just casually drop into conversation how Tom Hanks is a child rapist, Bill Gates is trying to control us all through vaccines, the Trump administration is actively working to suppress black voters, or Sandy Hook was an inside job. It's crazy how many people seriously buy into stuff like this.
General Malaise
Footballguy
How soon we forget "HILLARY SOLD ALL OF OUR URANIUM TO THE RUSSIANS!!!!1111ONE1".
Physical uranium trading at $29/Lb today. You can buy all you want. Especially from the Russians. Pretty sure the price was in the mid 20s when all this nonsense was being spread. Odd that such a highly sought after and strategic commodity hasn't advanced price wise much in the face of all this controversy!
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Seems like he’s set up his next conspiracy: Biden had Seal Team 6 killed, Bin Laden death was faked. Lots of mileage to be had there. Trump doesn’t even have to release any documents. Just say that he saw them and he will release them soon.
massraider
Footballguy
If you have never been lucky enough to see Jim Jeffries interview 4 QAnon believers,
You are very, very welcome
You are very, very welcome
General Malaise
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Right after the election if he wins. All rolled up into one document along with the new health care plan, huge middle class tax cuts, the truth about who killed JFK and the 1947 Roswell incident fully unmasked.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He can literally say he knows whatever and will release the info later and that’s been enough for most of his supporters. They believe.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Totally agree. Every cringeworthy comment he makes about stuff that should be clear cut makes me wonder why he can't do the right thing in those moments. I don't mean be a stand up guy or anything like that. It's more like what he is supposed to say as POTUS and how it could give him a little bit of political equity. When he stays on teleprompter would be another way of putting it.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
In what’s the most mind blowing thing I’ve seen this week (which says a lot), today is the day Qers are expecting Trump to announce JFK Jr is not only still alive but is replacing Pence on the ticket. No joke. Twitter has pictures of people in Trump Kennedy 2020 shirts and JFK Jr masks.
