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The quid pro quo discussion is a red herring. Sondland’s statement and testimony is proof that the President was running a shadow diplomacy operation using his private attorney outside of normal execu

I must say, as a cynic toward government I have been nothing but impressed and even proud of the career civil servants that are on display throughout this process.  It’s quite nice to see the working

1 minute ago, timschochet said:

I’m reading and hearing a lot of this everywhere. Couldn’t disagree more. Now is not the time for despondency, or a loss of faith in the system. This sort of attitude lets the bad guys win. Now is the time to fight against them, to demand that the system do what it was meant to. Trump needs to be held to account. 

Don't misunderstand me, Tim.  I absolutely agree that our elected leaders need to be held accountable.  And I personally haven't given up.  And I don't think that my generation or those that have come after me have given up (I'm 40, by the way).  But after what we've see with the partisan fighting over the past decade and with the advancement of technology, the younger generation is going to move forward and side with those that understand the direction in which the world is moving.  

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6 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Sheriff Sho

I remember back in the day when Blutarsky used to constantly call the 1-900-SHO-NUFF hotline. It cost $3.99/minute and he obsessed over every bit of news. He only stopped when his parents had to choose between paying off the phone bill or the mortgage.

Those were the days weren't they JB?

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I remember back in the day when Blutarsky used to constantly call the 1-900-SHO-NUFF hotline. It cost $3.99/minute and he obsessed over every bit of news. He only stopped when his parents had to choose between paying off the phone bill or the mortgage.

Those were the days weren't they JB?

Good Lord :lmao:

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1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

The democrat party has been actively putting party over country during the Trump administration 

What is even a party position on Congress seeing an IG report? That’s not a Democratic/Republican Party thing, that’s a Trump thing. An actual “party” would defend its own integrity and stated principles.

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

CNN. 

They made the point that when a President makes such a request AS President, there is the power of the United States behind him, with both implied promises and threats. But specific to this case there are two added points as well: 

1. The new Ukrainian President (PM? Not sure which) had long been seeking direct contact with Trump, first because he wanted to complete a loan promised by the USA, and second because he wanted assurance that the USA would stand behind Ukraine in their dealings with Russia. 

2. Trump had reportedly told associates he did not want to talk to the President of Ukraine because it might jeopardize his relationship with Putin. 

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5 hours ago, HellToupee said:

The democrat party has been actively putting party over country during the Trump administration 

Agreed.  It would be great if they would do the right thing and begin impeachment already instead of being so fearful of elections.

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Rudy Giuliani accused me of exposing Paul Manafort’s Ukraine deals to help U.S. Democrats. That’s a lie.

Serhiy Leshchenko is a Ukrainian journalist and political activist.

On Aug. 19, 2016, I convened a news conference in Kiev at which I revealed previously secret records of payments made by the former pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych to Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Yanukovych fled the country in February 2014 after he was toppled by our Revolution of Dignity, a popular uprising on the streets of Kiev.) The information came from the “black ledger of the Party of Regions,” which was obtained by an anonymous source in the burned-out ruins of the headquarters of Yanukoych’s party. Yanukovych had used the ledger to keep records of his illegal transactions. At that time, although I was a member of parliament, I continued to combine that position with my journalistic work, which is allowed by the laws of Ukraine.

I will always be angry at Manafort. His work contributed greatly to Yanukovych’s election victory in 2010; Yanukovych then used his position as president to enrich himself and his inner circle. I have no doubt that Yanukovych paid Manafort for his services out of the funds he robbed from Ukrainian taxpayers.

Corruption is harmful whether it takes place America or Ukraine. My desire to expose Manafort’s doings was motivated by the desire for justice. Neither Hillary Clinton, nor Joe Biden, nor John Podesta, nor George Soros asked me to publish the information from the black ledger. I wanted to obtain accountability for the lobbyist whose client immersed Ukraine in a blood bath during the Revolution of Dignity and the subsequent war in eastern Ukraine, when Yanukovych called on Russia to send troops.

A federal judge in the United States later sentenced Manafort to 7½ years in prison for his many crimes. Among his offenses was his non-payment of taxes on undeclared income whose origins were revealed by Yanukovych’s secret accounts.

Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the Manafort revelations would become fodder for the U.S. elections in 2020. President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, the mouthpiece of this campaign, is not only attempting to rehabilitate Manafort but is also working to undermine U.S. relations with Ukraine, which has been confronting Russian aggression on its own for more than five years. Giuliani and his associates are trying to drag our newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, into a conflict between two foreign political parties, drastically limiting Ukraine’s room for maneuver in respect to the United States, perhaps its most important international partner.

Giuliani attempted to visit Ukraine in May 2019 with the express purpose of involving Zelensky in this process. His aim was quite clear: He was planning to ask Zelensky to intervene in an American election on the side of Trump.

Zelensky refused, forcing Giuliani to cancel his trip. Shortly after that, Giuliani went on Fox News, where he called me “[an enemy] of the president [and] of the United States.” This accusation had a devastating effect on my political career. I had been helping Zelenksy’s team since January — but now Giuliani’s smear cost me a job in the new administration. Not wanting to create problems for Zelensky, I withdrew from consideration.

Giuliani's entire approach is built on disinformation and the manipulation of facts. Giuliani has developed a conspiracy theory in which he depicts my revelations about Manafort as an intervention in the 2016 U.S. election in favor of the Democratic Party. In his May interview on Fox, Giuliani even claimed that I was convicted of a corresponding crime.

The facts do not support this allegation. Here’s the truth: The administrative court — which has long had a reputation as the most corrupt in Ukraine — ruled in December 2018 that I had acted illegally by disclosing the payments to Manafort. We appealed, and the verdict was suspended. And in the summer of this year, we won the appeal and the court’s decision was completely annulled. The appeal concluded that all the charges against me were unfounded, and even obliged my opponents to reimburse me for $100 in legal costs.

But Giuliani continues to quote this court decision even though it never attained legal force.

Giuliani also persists in claiming that the “black ledger” is a fake. He stated this most recently just a few days ago in an interview with CNN. In fact, the book is a genuine document. Expert examinations have confirmed the authenticity of the signatures shown in it.

Giuliani has also been attacking the fearless activists from our Anti-Corruption Action Center, who managed to uphold their ideals even though they were persecuted by the previous government of President Petro Poroshenko.

By repeating this lie, Giuliani is not only deceiving American citizens. He is not only intervening in Ukrainian politics, smearing parliamentarians and officials of the presidential administration. He is also trying to drag the new president of Ukraine into an American election, which is absolutely unacceptable.

I know that leaders of the three U.S. congressional committees that are now investigating the whistleblower case have asked the White House and the State Department to share all correspondence regarding the people involved in this story, including me. As a person who has had direct experience of many of these events, I express my readiness to testify to the U.S. Congress about what has been happening for the past six months in the gray zone of Ukrainian-American relations.

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51 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Rudy Giuliani accused me of exposing Paul Manafort’s Ukraine deals to help U.S. Democrats. That’s a lie.

 

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Serhiy Leshchenko is a Ukrainian journalist and political activist.

On Aug. 19, 2016, I convened a news conference in Kiev at which I revealed previously secret records of payments made by the former pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych to Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Yanukovych fled the country in February 2014 after he was toppled by our Revolution of Dignity, a popular uprising on the streets of Kiev.) The information came from the “black ledger of the Party of Regions,” which was obtained by an anonymous source in the burned-out ruins of the headquarters of Yanukoych’s party. Yanukovych had used the ledger to keep records of his illegal transactions. At that time, although I was a member of parliament, I continued to combine that position with my journalistic work, which is allowed by the laws of Ukraine.

I will always be angry at Manafort. His work contributed greatly to Yanukovych’s election victory in 2010; Yanukovych then used his position as president to enrich himself and his inner circle. I have no doubt that Yanukovych paid Manafort for his services out of the funds he robbed from Ukrainian taxpayers.

Corruption is harmful whether it takes place America or Ukraine. My desire to expose Manafort’s doings was motivated by the desire for justice. Neither Hillary Clinton, nor Joe Biden, nor John Podesta, nor George Soros asked me to publish the information from the black ledger. I wanted to obtain accountability for the lobbyist whose client immersed Ukraine in a blood bath during the Revolution of Dignity and the subsequent war in eastern Ukraine, when Yanukovych called on Russia to send troops.

A federal judge in the United States later sentenced Manafort to 7½ years in prison for his many crimes. Among his offenses was his non-payment of taxes on undeclared income whose origins were revealed by Yanukovych’s secret accounts.

Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the Manafort revelations would become fodder for the U.S. elections in 2020. President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, the mouthpiece of this campaign, is not only attempting to rehabilitate Manafort but is also working to undermine U.S. relations with Ukraine, which has been confronting Russian aggression on its own for more than five years. Giuliani and his associates are trying to drag our newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, into a conflict between two foreign political parties, drastically limiting Ukraine’s room for maneuver in respect to the United States, perhaps its most important international partner.

Giuliani attempted to visit Ukraine in May 2019 with the express purpose of involving Zelensky in this process. His aim was quite clear: He was planning to ask Zelensky to intervene in an American election on the side of Trump.

Zelensky refused, forcing Giuliani to cancel his trip. Shortly after that, Giuliani went on Fox News, where he called me “[an enemy] of the president [and] of the United States.” This accusation had a devastating effect on my political career. I had been helping Zelenksy’s team since January — but now Giuliani’s smear cost me a job in the new administration. Not wanting to create problems for Zelensky, I withdrew from consideration.

Giuliani's entire approach is built on disinformation and the manipulation of facts. Giuliani has developed a conspiracy theory in which he depicts my revelations about Manafort as an intervention in the 2016 U.S. election in favor of the Democratic Party. In his May interview on Fox, Giuliani even claimed that I was convicted of a corresponding crime.

The facts do not support this allegation. Here’s the truth: The administrative court — which has long had a reputation as the most corrupt in Ukraine — ruled in December 2018 that I had acted illegally by disclosing the payments to Manafort. We appealed, and the verdict was suspended. And in the summer of this year, we won the appeal and the court’s decision was completely annulled. The appeal concluded that all the charges against me were unfounded, and even obliged my opponents to reimburse me for $100 in legal costs.

But Giuliani continues to quote this court decision even though it never attained legal force.

Giuliani also persists in claiming that the “black ledger” is a fake. He stated this most recently just a few days ago in an interview with CNN. In fact, the book is a genuine document. Expert examinations have confirmed the authenticity of the signatures shown in it.

Giuliani has also been attacking the fearless activists from our Anti-Corruption Action Center, who managed to uphold their ideals even though they were persecuted by the previous government of President Petro Poroshenko.

By repeating this lie, Giuliani is not only deceiving American citizens. He is not only intervening in Ukrainian politics, smearing parliamentarians and officials of the presidential administration. He is also trying to drag the new president of Ukraine into an American election, which is absolutely unacceptable.

I know that leaders of the three U.S. congressional committees that are now investigating the whistleblower case have asked the White House and the State Department to share all correspondence regarding the people involved in this story, including me. As a person who has had direct experience of many of these events, I express my readiness to testify to the U.S. Congress about what has been happening for the past six months in the gray zone of Ukrainian-American relations.

 

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I need more info before I make my decision on whether My Dear Leader committed any crime. I've seen/read about 1% of the info and that is not enough.

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7 hours ago, timschochet said:

I’m reading and hearing a lot of this everywhere. Couldn’t disagree more. Now is not the time for despondency, or a loss of faith in the system. This sort of attitude lets the bad guys win. Now is the time to fight against them, to demand that the system do what it was meant to. Trump needs to be held to account. 

His point is that the system itself is fundamentally broken.  The establishment Dems play the same game and measure success the same way.  Is trump the worst  malignancy of this cancer we’ve ever seen?  Obviously.  But getting trump out (which I support at any cost) won’t fix what’s broken.  Mitch will likely still control the senate and government will be just as ineffective as it is now.  

The only politicians that truly care have ideas that are too radical for most Americans.  

American democracy is broken.  Fundamentally.   

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Rudy Giuliani accused me of exposing Paul Manafort’s Ukraine deals to help U.S. Democrats. That’s a lie.

 

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Serhiy Leshchenko is a Ukrainian journalist and political activist.

On Aug. 19, 2016, I convened a news conference in Kiev at which I revealed previously secret records of payments made by the former pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych to Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Yanukovych fled the country in February 2014 after he was toppled by our Revolution of Dignity, a popular uprising on the streets of Kiev.) The information came from the “black ledger of the Party of Regions,” which was obtained by an anonymous source in the burned-out ruins of the headquarters of Yanukoych’s party. Yanukovych had used the ledger to keep records of his illegal transactions. At that time, although I was a member of parliament, I continued to combine that position with my journalistic work, which is allowed by the laws of Ukraine.

I will always be angry at Manafort. His work contributed greatly to Yanukovych’s election victory in 2010; Yanukovych then used his position as president to enrich himself and his inner circle. I have no doubt that Yanukovych paid Manafort for his services out of the funds he robbed from Ukrainian taxpayers.

Corruption is harmful whether it takes place America or Ukraine. My desire to expose Manafort’s doings was motivated by the desire for justice. Neither Hillary Clinton, nor Joe Biden, nor John Podesta, nor George Soros asked me to publish the information from the black ledger. I wanted to obtain accountability for the lobbyist whose client immersed Ukraine in a blood bath during the Revolution of Dignity and the subsequent war in eastern Ukraine, when Yanukovych called on Russia to send troops.

A federal judge in the United States later sentenced Manafort to 7½ years in prison for his many crimes. Among his offenses was his non-payment of taxes on undeclared income whose origins were revealed by Yanukovych’s secret accounts.

Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the Manafort revelations would become fodder for the U.S. elections in 2020. President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, the mouthpiece of this campaign, is not only attempting to rehabilitate Manafort but is also working to undermine U.S. relations with Ukraine, which has been confronting Russian aggression on its own for more than five years. Giuliani and his associates are trying to drag our newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, into a conflict between two foreign political parties, drastically limiting Ukraine’s room for maneuver in respect to the United States, perhaps its most important international partner.

Giuliani attempted to visit Ukraine in May 2019 with the express purpose of involving Zelensky in this process. His aim was quite clear: He was planning to ask Zelensky to intervene in an American election on the side of Trump.

Zelensky refused, forcing Giuliani to cancel his trip. Shortly after that, Giuliani went on Fox News, where he called me “[an enemy] of the president [and] of the United States.” This accusation had a devastating effect on my political career. I had been helping Zelenksy’s team since January — but now Giuliani’s smear cost me a job in the new administration. Not wanting to create problems for Zelensky, I withdrew from consideration.

Giuliani's entire approach is built on disinformation and the manipulation of facts. Giuliani has developed a conspiracy theory in which he depicts my revelations about Manafort as an intervention in the 2016 U.S. election in favor of the Democratic Party. In his May interview on Fox, Giuliani even claimed that I was convicted of a corresponding crime.

The facts do not support this allegation. Here’s the truth: The administrative court — which has long had a reputation as the most corrupt in Ukraine — ruled in December 2018 that I had acted illegally by disclosing the payments to Manafort. We appealed, and the verdict was suspended. And in the summer of this year, we won the appeal and the court’s decision was completely annulled. The appeal concluded that all the charges against me were unfounded, and even obliged my opponents to reimburse me for $100 in legal costs.

But Giuliani continues to quote this court decision even though it never attained legal force.

Giuliani also persists in claiming that the “black ledger” is a fake. He stated this most recently just a few days ago in an interview with CNN. In fact, the book is a genuine document. Expert examinations have confirmed the authenticity of the signatures shown in it.

Giuliani has also been attacking the fearless activists from our Anti-Corruption Action Center, who managed to uphold their ideals even though they were persecuted by the previous government of President Petro Poroshenko.

By repeating this lie, Giuliani is not only deceiving American citizens. He is not only intervening in Ukrainian politics, smearing parliamentarians and officials of the presidential administration. He is also trying to drag the new president of Ukraine into an American election, which is absolutely unacceptable.

I know that leaders of the three U.S. congressional committees that are now investigating the whistleblower case have asked the White House and the State Department to share all correspondence regarding the people involved in this story, including me. As a person who has had direct experience of many of these events, I express my readiness to testify to the U.S. Congress about what has been happening for the past six months in the gray zone of Ukrainian-American relations.

 

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Rudy is the perfect “lawyer” for trump.  They both totally lack ethics, integrity and any sense of moral obligation.  

They deserve each other and the GOP deserves them both.   

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10 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Rudy Giuliani accused me of exposing Paul Manafort’s Ukraine deals to help U.S. Democrats. That’s a lie.

 

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Serhiy Leshchenko is a Ukrainian journalist and political activist.

On Aug. 19, 2016, I convened a news conference in Kiev at which I revealed previously secret records of payments made by the former pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych to Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Yanukovych fled the country in February 2014 after he was toppled by our Revolution of Dignity, a popular uprising on the streets of Kiev.) The information came from the “black ledger of the Party of Regions,” which was obtained by an anonymous source in the burned-out ruins of the headquarters of Yanukoych’s party. Yanukovych had used the ledger to keep records of his illegal transactions. At that time, although I was a member of parliament, I continued to combine that position with my journalistic work, which is allowed by the laws of Ukraine.

I will always be angry at Manafort. His work contributed greatly to Yanukovych’s election victory in 2010; Yanukovych then used his position as president to enrich himself and his inner circle. I have no doubt that Yanukovych paid Manafort for his services out of the funds he robbed from Ukrainian taxpayers.

Corruption is harmful whether it takes place America or Ukraine. My desire to expose Manafort’s doings was motivated by the desire for justice. Neither Hillary Clinton, nor Joe Biden, nor John Podesta, nor George Soros asked me to publish the information from the black ledger. I wanted to obtain accountability for the lobbyist whose client immersed Ukraine in a blood bath during the Revolution of Dignity and the subsequent war in eastern Ukraine, when Yanukovych called on Russia to send troops.

A federal judge in the United States later sentenced Manafort to 7½ years in prison for his many crimes. Among his offenses was his non-payment of taxes on undeclared income whose origins were revealed by Yanukovych’s secret accounts.

Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the Manafort revelations would become fodder for the U.S. elections in 2020. President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, the mouthpiece of this campaign, is not only attempting to rehabilitate Manafort but is also working to undermine U.S. relations with Ukraine, which has been confronting Russian aggression on its own for more than five years. Giuliani and his associates are trying to drag our newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, into a conflict between two foreign political parties, drastically limiting Ukraine’s room for maneuver in respect to the United States, perhaps its most important international partner.

Giuliani attempted to visit Ukraine in May 2019 with the express purpose of involving Zelensky in this process. His aim was quite clear: He was planning to ask Zelensky to intervene in an American election on the side of Trump.

Zelensky refused, forcing Giuliani to cancel his trip. Shortly after that, Giuliani went on Fox News, where he called me “[an enemy] of the president [and] of the United States.” This accusation had a devastating effect on my political career. I had been helping Zelenksy’s team since January — but now Giuliani’s smear cost me a job in the new administration. Not wanting to create problems for Zelensky, I withdrew from consideration.

Giuliani's entire approach is built on disinformation and the manipulation of facts. Giuliani has developed a conspiracy theory in which he depicts my revelations about Manafort as an intervention in the 2016 U.S. election in favor of the Democratic Party. In his May interview on Fox, Giuliani even claimed that I was convicted of a corresponding crime.

The facts do not support this allegation. Here’s the truth: The administrative court — which has long had a reputation as the most corrupt in Ukraine — ruled in December 2018 that I had acted illegally by disclosing the payments to Manafort. We appealed, and the verdict was suspended. And in the summer of this year, we won the appeal and the court’s decision was completely annulled. The appeal concluded that all the charges against me were unfounded, and even obliged my opponents to reimburse me for $100 in legal costs.

But Giuliani continues to quote this court decision even though it never attained legal force.

Giuliani also persists in claiming that the “black ledger” is a fake. He stated this most recently just a few days ago in an interview with CNN. In fact, the book is a genuine document. Expert examinations have confirmed the authenticity of the signatures shown in it.

Giuliani has also been attacking the fearless activists from our Anti-Corruption Action Center, who managed to uphold their ideals even though they were persecuted by the previous government of President Petro Poroshenko.

By repeating this lie, Giuliani is not only deceiving American citizens. He is not only intervening in Ukrainian politics, smearing parliamentarians and officials of the presidential administration. He is also trying to drag the new president of Ukraine into an American election, which is absolutely unacceptable.

I know that leaders of the three U.S. congressional committees that are now investigating the whistleblower case have asked the White House and the State Department to share all correspondence regarding the people involved in this story, including me. As a person who has had direct experience of many of these events, I express my readiness to testify to the U.S. Congress about what has been happening for the past six months in the gray zone of Ukrainian-American relations.

 

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I'd love to hear trumpguys defense of Trump's personal lawyer here.

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10 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

The fact that the country cannot agree that the alleged act should, if true, lead to impeachment is so ridiculous I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago.  

If we get the transcript and it’s clear that he was withholding the money to get a Biden investigation, I think you might be surprised. My guess is maybe about two-thirds the population would support impeachment.

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13 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

If we get the transcript and it’s clear that he was withholding the money to get a Biden investigation, I think you might be surprised. My guess is maybe about two-thirds the population would support impeachment.

I doubt it will ever be that clear. 

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15 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Haven’t heard that. But usually he isn’t. 

Early in the presidency a transcript was released - leaked - of Trump's conversation with Mexican President Nieto. Trump point blank said he did not expect Mexico to pay for the 'wall' , instructed Nieto to don't say it publicly, and that he Trump would just keep lying to the press about negotiations about it. he also said that if Nieto did say that Mexico wouldn't pay for the wall then Trump would cut off trade negotiations because it would be bad for him politically.

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18 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The white squinty eyes surrounded by orange skin, the wild hair, he looks like that old country club member who’s seemingly always at the course and has had one too many visits from the cart girl...again!

Also, the still of this video has me in stitches currently:

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1175780830012223490

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55 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

If we get the transcript and it’s clear that he was withholding the money to get a Biden investigation, I think you might be surprised. My guess is maybe about two-thirds the population would support impeachment.

Even if true, two thirds is not a reasonable number for this. 

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9 minutes ago, That one guy said:

The white squinty eyes surrounded by orange skin, the wild hair, he looks like that old country club member who’s seemingly always at the course and has had one too many visits from the cart girl...again!

Also, the still of this video has me in stitches currently:

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1175780830012223490

He looks like he just ate bees.

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18 minutes ago, That one guy said:

The white squinty eyes surrounded by orange skin, the wild hair, he looks like that old country club member who’s seemingly always at the course and has had one too many visits from the cart girl...again!

Also, the still of this video has me in stitches currently:

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1175780830012223490

I’m derailing here, sorry, but still laughing hard at this and desiring to make one of those big head signs of this (like this famous one: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jack-blankenships-face) and take it to rally’s 

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

The sudden release of the money to Ukraine after months of holding it back, the fact that it went from 250 billion to 390 billion, is awfully suspicious. 

It came just a couple days after the joint committees letter demanding information. The bribe aspect seems to me to push Ukraine not to talk about it at that point, not to open an investigation.

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

With the sound off, he always looks to me like he’s an alien working hard to convince a crowd he’s actually a human being. 

 

“Shi’axis, the ne’er do well fourteenth son of Xerxes the Destroyer of Worlds? He sounds terrible,  but I am not he.  I am Donald Trump, human man who has human feelings and a stomach for digesting foodstuffs which fuel my cells and grow my human hair!”

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4 minutes ago, bananafish said:

 That video does not bring to mind the image of a stoic, composed Alpha Dog, confident with his seat on the throne, but rather a scared little con-artist, desperate enough to try something, anything to keep the gig from being up. 

He never brings to mind that image.  It is purely a fiction of the meme culture supporting him.

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34 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

He never brings to mind that image.  It is purely a fiction of the meme culture supporting him.

One of the things that has happened during the Trump presidency is the almost completely disappearance of the word "snowflake " from the right.

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1 hour ago, bananafish said:

"They were the best bees, perfect bees. A ten, really."

He's cornered and maniacally spouting out a fountain of verbal diarrhea that would get him laughed out of a Lying 101 class for kindergartners.

As an aside, we really should stop teaching that class. 

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33 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Mitt Romney (@MittRomney)

9/22/19, 1:34 PM

If the President asked or pressured Ukraine’s president to investigate his political rival, either directly or through his personal attorney, it would be troubling in the extreme. Critical for the facts to come out.

I’m sure glad Mitt might be troubled by this. 

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2 hours ago, bananafish said:

Where would we get our lawyers?

(pause for groans)

As an aside to the aside: it just struck me that you couldn't do a better job of dispelling the lyin' lawyer stereotype than by looking through the last few posters of this thread. Yourself, @SaintsInDome2006, @Sinn Fein, @Ramsay Hunt Experience, and @krista4 are some of the best posters on the board and, as far as I know, fine representatives of the legal profession.

Of course there are others, but I thought it was trippy that the best ones were all bunched together in here. Thanks for not being evil.

Eh. You don’t know me.  

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26 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I’m sure glad Mitt might be troubled by this. 

I assume you mean this jokingly like Susan Collins or Jeff Flake being “troubled” before voting with Republicans.  If Trump’s guilt is obvious, conviction in the Senate is still a long-shot but I could see Romney and others voting to convict.

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7 hours ago, Juxtatarot said:

If we get the transcript and it’s clear that he was withholding the money to get a Biden investigation, I think you might be surprised. My guess is maybe about two-thirds the population would support impeachment.

You would nowhere near 2/3 of the Republican Congress though. 

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