Isn’t that the Cupid Shuffle?The left this. The left that. The left the left the left.
Geez dude
Isn’t that the Cupid Shuffle?The left this. The left that. The left the left the left.
Geez dude
That’s really what it’s all about.Or a version of The Hokey Pokey.
That is the exact answer you do not want from an attorney general. It illustrates gross prejudice on a case prior to having all the facts and before the case is judge. The idea Garland was passed off as a moderate is proving to be a joke. You would think someone of Garland's background would be familar with ABA rules. Garland is just a political tool who has no business being the AG.From The Senate Judiciary Committee is confirmation hearing for attorney general
Merrick Garland:
"If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution of white supremacists and others who stormed the Capitol on January 6 -- a heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy: the peaceful transfer of power to a newly elected government."
We have all the facts from the words, tweets, Facebook posts and videos from the white supremacist participants in the insurrection. This is what as known as a slam dunk prosecution.That is the exact answer you do not want from an attorney general. It illustrates gross prejudice on a case prior to having all the facts and before the case is judge. The idea Garland was passed off as a moderate is proving to be a joke. You would think someone of Garland's background would be familar with ABA rules. Garland is just a political tool who has no business being the AG.
Two questions:That is the exact answer you do not want from an attorney general. It illustrates gross prejudice on a case prior to having all the facts and before the case is judge. The idea Garland was passed off as a moderate is proving to be a joke. You would think someone of Garland's background would be familar with ABA rules. Garland is just a political tool who has no business being the AG.
He should not be making prejudicial public comments period.We have all the facts from the words, tweets, Facebook posts and videos from the white supremacist participants in the insurrection. This is what as known as a slam dunk prosecution.
The hundreds of federal cases being made from the January 6th protests. It is about as clear cut of a violation of ABA rules as there is.Two questions:
1. How?
2. Which case?
Can you explain further your position here? What specific rules are being violated in your view?The hundreds of federal cases being made from the January 6th protests. It is about as clear cut of a violation of ABA rules as there is.
Double dribble?"If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution of white supremacists and others who ..." committed a crime. What's the ABA rule violation here?
I suspect it is only a jon_mx rule violation."If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution of white supremacists and others who ..." committed a crime. What's the ABA rule violation here?
Rule 3.8 Special Responsibilities Of A Prosecutor"If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution of white supremacists and others who ..." committed a crime. What's the ABA rule violation here?
Using language such as white supremist, heinous attack, and projecting motives are all extrajudicial statements which will prejudice cases that are pending and/or still being investigated.A prosecutor has the responsibility of a minister of justice and not simply that of an advocate. This responsibility carries with it specific obligations to see that the defendant is accorded procedural justice, that guilt is decided upon the basis of sufficient evidence, and that special precautions are taken to prevent and to rectify the conviction of innocent persons........
paragraph (f) supplements Rule 3.6, which prohibits extrajudicial statements that have a substantial likelihood of prejudicing an adjudicatory proceeding. In the context of a criminal prosecution, a prosecutor's extrajudicial statement can create the additional problem of increasing public condemnation of the accused. Although the announcement of an indictment, for example, will necessarily have severe consequences for the accused, a prosecutor can, and should, avoid comments which have no legitimate law enforcement purpose and have a substantial likelihood of increasing public opprobrium of the accused.
You have a tendency in your ever snarky responses to speak out of the wrong orifice.I suspect it is only a jon_mx rule violation.
So the confirmed members of Antifa and BLM that were there were white supremacists?There were white supremicists that attacked the Capitol.
It was a heinous attack that sought to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power
Fair enough. I believe you're saying he should have - and could have - stopped with something like "If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution ofRule 3.8 Special Responsibilities Of A Prosecutor
Using language such as white supremist, heinous attack, and projecting motives are all extrajudicial statements which will prejudice cases that are pending and/or still being investigated.
in order to be violating the rule, he'd have to be speaking of a specific case. He may have, I don't know. He didn't in the quote you provided jon. He's talking, in general terms, about any and all of those things where they are found which we logically assume are "found" during discovery and trial. If he said "Joe Shmoo is a white supremacist who I plan on going after because he forced his way into the Capitol yelling racist slang while spraying bear spray on any officer he saw" before ever setting foot in a courtroom or even starting the process of discovery, I'd probably be in agreement. Not close to what happened with the quote you provided.a lawyer who is participating or has participated in the investigation or litigation of a matter shall not make an extrajudicial statement that a reasonable person would expect to be disseminated by means of public communication if the lawyer knows or reasonably should know that it will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding in the matter.
Or the typical statement, I will not comment on a pending case or investigation.Fair enough. I believe you're saying he should have - and could have - stopped with something like "If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution ofwhite supremacists and othersthose who stormed the Capitol on January 6."
It is a specific reference to over a hundred cases. He is absolutely making prejudicial statements impacting each of those individual cases. You are making exceptions which simply are not there.This goes back to my original question. "Which case?" I understand the need to refrain from extrajudicial statements. Problem here is that this is a general statement and not in reference to any one of the specific cases. I'd probably be a bit more sympathetic to this argument if he were speaking of a specific case against a specific individual. That's not the case here.
If we go by their rules (not the law...the rules) and follow:
in order to be violating the rule, he'd have to be speaking of a specific case. He may have, I don't know. He didn't in the quote you provided jon. He's talking, in general terms, about any and all of those things where they are found which we logically assume are "found" during discovery and trial. I'd probably be more sympathetic here if he said "Joe Shmoo is a white supremacist who I plan on going after because he forced his way into the Capitol yelling racist slang while spraying bear spray on any officer he saw" before ever setting foot in a courtroom or even starting the process of discovery. Not close to what happened with the quote you provided.
And by the way....the bar for this is now so incredibly low, I'm not sure how one takes the time/effort to even throw it out there anymore. For all intents and purposes, this ship has officially sailed.Garland is just a political tool who has no business being the AG.
Sorry...this does not compute. He didn't claim that ALL these cases included white supremacists or that ALL of them were xyz. Had he, you'd have a point. He wasn't using a broad brush that I can see....maybe there are other comments you can provide that I am unaware of?It is a specific reference to over a hundred cases. He is absolutely making prejudicial statements impacting each of those individual cases. You are making exceptions which simply are not there.
Your response makes no sense. The principle is being grossly violated in principle, spirit and specific wording.Sorry...this does not compute. He didn't claim that ALL these cases included white supremacists or that ALL of them were xyz. Had he, you'd have a point. He wasn't using a broad brush that I can see....maybe there are other comments you can provide that I am unaware of?
Can you acknowledge that there were in fact some white supremacists that were inside the capitol?So the confirmed members of Antifa and BLM that were there were white supremacists?
Probably. I don't know them personally. Were all the people there white supremacists? Most likely not.Can you acknowledge that there were in fact some white supremacists that were inside the capitol?
Of course all the people there were not. Nobody has insinuated anything like thatProbably. I don't know them personally. Were all the people there white supremacists? Most likely not.
How is what he said political? So far as I am aware, prosecuting the insurrectionists has bipartisan support.Your response makes no sense. The principle is being grossly violated in principle, spirit and specific wording.
But I do agree that this has been the case for many recent AG's, but that does not mean it is not the standard we should ignore. AG's who act in a political manner have absolutely no place in a fair judicial system.
This was the comment and response I was responding too. Garland made no mention of a case at all. He mentioned the events of Jan 6 and that he believed those to be "heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy....." He also mentioned he would prosecute white supremacists and others who stormed the Capitol. In my view the only real problem I have with his words is "all" should have been used where he used "white supremacists and others". Anyone storming the Capitol that day attempting to disrupt our democracy should be held accountable in court. If you disagree, I'd like to know why.That is the exact answer you do not want from an attorney general. It illustrates gross prejudice on a case prior to having all the facts and before the case is judge. The idea Garland was passed off as a moderate is proving to be a joke. You would think someone of Garland's background would be familar with ABA rules. Garland is just a political tool who has no business being the AG.From The Senate Judiciary Committee is confirmation hearing for attorney general
Merrick Garland:
"If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution of white supremacists and others who stormed the Capitol on January 6 -- a heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy: the peaceful transfer of power to a newly elected government."
Don't try to confuse him with the facts.There were white supremicists that attacked the Capitol.
It was a heinous attack that sought to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power
His statements are alledgations and not fact and will be viewed as broadly applying to numerous defendants prejuducing public opinion. Nothing he said was appropriate or should have been said. You are wrong and it is pointless to continue.This was the comment and response I was responding too. Garland made no mention of a case at all. He mentioned the events of Jan 6 and that he believed those to be "heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy....." He also mentioned he would prosecute white supremacists and others who stormed the Capitol. In my view the only real problem I have with his words is "all" should have been used where he used "white supremacists and others". Anyone storming the Capitol that day attempting to disrupt our democracy should be held accountable in court. If you disagree, I'd like to know why.
And if you feel there is context I am missing, please include so I can get a better picture of where you're coming from.
Would you vote to confirm based on the totality of the hearing thus far and Garland's record?His statements are alledgations and not fact and will be viewed as broadly applying to numerous defendants prejuducing public opinion. Nothing he said was appropriate or should have been said. You are wrong and it is pointless to continue.
This is part of the point.....they can't be fact at the moment. The cases haven't been heard yet. Your assertion seems to be, but for his words, these people who stormed the Capitol will likely be seen impartially. I think that is woefully inaccurate.His statements are alledgations and not fact and will be viewed as broadly applying to numerous defendants prejuducing public opinion. Nothing he said was appropriate or should have been said. You are wrong and it is pointless to continue.
Proof requires evidence. Evidence will be presented at each trial. His statements are far from "allegations". To put it another way, if he was asked about a bank robbery and said "All those who are found to have been part of the bank robbery will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" you'd find that a remarkably boring comment. A "no duh....I should hope that would be the case" response would be completely appropriate and you certainly wouldn't label those comments allegations.a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.
Interesting... I'm not going to go all #whatabout here, but I agree that recent AGs have acted very politically lately.But I do agree that this has been the case for many recent AG's, but that does not mean it is not the standard we should ignore. AG's who act in a political manner have absolutely no place in a fair judicial system.
43 states elect their attorney generals. The US AG needs to be senate confirmed. It is very much a political positionInteresting... I'm not going to go all #whatabout here, but I agree that recent AGs have acted very politically lately.
Nothing Garland said in that statement is violative of ABA model rule 3.8 or the connections it makes to 3.6 either as far as I can tell.This is part of the point.....they can't be fact at the moment. The cases haven't been heard yet. Your assertion seems to be, but for his words, these people who stormed the Capitol will likely be seen impartially. I think that is woefully inaccurate.
As for the "allegation" part that statement doesn't come close to sniffing the commonly used definition of the term...not how you're using it:
Proof requires evidence. Evidence will be presented at each trial. His statements are far from "allegations". To put it another way, if he was asked about a bank robbery and said "All those who are found to have been part of the bank robbery will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" you'd find that a remarkably boring comment. A "no duh....I should hope that would be the case" response would be completely appropriate and you certainly wouldn't label those comments allegations.
It sounds exactly like when millions of people across the nation marched for racial justice last summer. The two are almost entirely identical events in our nation's history.what is being said at this hearing so far is pretty sickening to listen to take that to the bank bromigos
Nothing Garland said in that statement is violative of ABA model rule 3.8 or the connections it makes to 3.6 either as far as I can tell.
Don't know what's going on today, but I did get a good chuckle out of Cruz' "concern" that he felt it necessary to ask if Garland understood he wasn't "the President's lawyer" yesterdaywhat is being said at this hearing so far is pretty sickening to listen to take that to the bank bromigos
Not watching any Congressional hearings. Who has the authority to make that call?Need to get to the bottom of the delay in deploying the national guard. And somebody’s head might roll.
It ultimately lies with the President. It's completely his jurisdiction. That said it's been traditionally delegated to Sec of Defense or Sec of Army.Not watching any Congressional hearings. Who has the authority to make that call?
Does anybody have a good timeline of the violence outside the capitol?Need to get to the bottom of the delay in deploying the national guard. And somebody’s head might roll.
I’ll see if I can find a link but there was journalist who has covered Trump rallies extensively in the crowds. She was in the ‘high-five’ crowd and didn’t even know about anything else that was happening until hearing the reports later.Does anybody have a good timeline of the violence outside the capitol?
It seems a tale of two riots. Like on one side police were being attacked and fighting with them and on the other side of the building it was all high fives and selfies.
Was this happening concurrently? Was this a before and after?
Is there any good documentation of this?
I think it will come out in next weeks investigation.Does anybody have a good timeline of the violence outside the capitol?
It seems a tale of two riots. Like on one side police were being attacked and fighting with them and on the other side of the building it was all high fives and selfies.
Was this happening concurrently? Was this a before and after?
Is there any good documentation of this?
The riot is still responsible for his death.Just to bring more madness to the story, the family of Officer Sicknick has still not been told the cause of death. It's almost been 2 months now. How is it the family themselves have not been told officially how he died?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9275449/Mom-Capitol-police-officer-Brian-Sicknick-believes-died-stroke.html
"Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Gladys Sicknick, 74, was unequivocal in her assertion that Officer Brian Sicknick was not struck on the head and that as far as the family knows her son had a fatal stroke.
She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.
‘We’d love to know what happened.'"
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And we still have congressman using the lie of his death in hearings to prove whatever BS points they have.