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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (9 Viewers)
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McJose
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krista4
Footballguy
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. Obviously.
I was certain your post was going to include the word "toots."
Sammy3469
Footballguy
This is the part that really :shuked: me...Pompeo was the CIA director...you would think that would actually mean something, but I guess not when your in the tank for Russia.
McJose
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Quite the meltdown to be sure 
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
cosjobs
Footballguy
Preaching to the choir and it will obviously be ignored by the cult, a decent amount of context:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-respond-republicans-ukraine-joe-biden-hunter-texts-a9143736.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-respond-republicans-ukraine-joe-biden-hunter-texts-a9143736.html
Sweet J
Footballguy
Sweet J
Footballguy
So you are ok with the Democrats meeting with Iran and asking them to interfere with the election against Trump?
you ok with Biden doing it. The Iranians know that if Biden gets elected there is a better chance that the old deal is back in play.
You ok with Iran getting as much dirt as possible and sending it to Dem HQ to use against Trump?
bigbottom
Footballguy
If at any point Trump believes (1) that he will lose the 2020 election; and (2) that there is a chance that he will be indicted for one or more federal crimes once he is no longer in office, doesn’t he conclude that he is best served by resigning or being impeached? That way, Pence can pardon him. Otherwise, he would have to depend on a pardon from a Democratic administration.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Are you suggesting it would be surprising if Trump didn’t do the purely logical thing?
bigbottom
Footballguy
I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also suspect that there is some degree of self-preservation instinct that will come to the fore.
Honestly though - I don't think Trump has it in him to accept that he might be wrong/in trouble.
I think he will continue to rant and rave for as long as it takes, rather than take a step that acknowledges he was wrong. For Trump, self-preservation means never having to admit you were wrong.
timschochet
Footballguy
He’ll never acknowledge that he was wrong. But there is a chance he might resign if he can claim he was forced out by the Deep State, did it for the sake of the country, etc.
That reeks of hypocrisy, just so you know. I don't care about either party, but somebody has to have some standards in this mess.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
He won’t admit he’s wrong, he will be impeached, he won’t be removed, he’ll need to lose the election to be removed, and even that’s no sure thing as evidenced by the pro-Trump non-wavering for their dear leader.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Let me be clear: Trump ONLY does things for Trump. He does not do things for the good of the country. He will not acknowledge doing anything that requires resignation and will pummel any GOP member who dares think differently
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Probably not. But in exchange for a pardon? (If he thought he actually has a chance to go to jail.)
timschochet
Footballguy
BTW, my own position is, once Donald Trump is removed from office, leave him alone. Even if he committed crimes (and I’m pretty sure there are multiple crimes) don’t prosecute him. Any such prosecution, either federal or state, would consume the nation and make it difficult to go forward. So I say forget about it...and him.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
He did declare bankruptcy for his casino businesses because he knew he was screwed and this was the only way he could get out from under his creditors and preserve his other assets.
I think that is the position Pete would take. That is probably the position Biden would take. I don't think the other candidates would be as willing to move past Trump - particularly as Trump will keep injecting himself and his views into the national spotlight.
My preference - if you could enjoin him, legally, from social media, I would be ok, otherwise, ADX Florence seems appropriate (assuming we shut the prison in Guantanamo Bay)
Sweet J
Footballguy
That’s a horrible precedent. It would be an open invitation for other countries to pump millions of dollars into our election process in order to produce candidates that don’t necessarily have America’s interest first.
We really don’t want this.
Total bull#### and screw that. Justice needs served. more annoying milquetoast bull####. The damage he has done, the vileness. Make a strong statement. This guy is a sociopath and needs to be removed from public life.
”Consume the nation”....plllleeeeaaasssse. What the hell has the past 2 years been? Jesus, the chaos president has single handedly destroyed decades of real work and we’re worried about Hallmark takes? Jesus.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
That is illegal and has been determined to be treasonous. Not a good precedent to start... neither is unlimited money in elections but others disagree, unfortunately.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
These are activities which were done overseas. If we have presidential candidates going overseas and doing illegal activities, I don't care what sources expose them.
The Commish
Footballguy
na....that's not hypocritical. He's ok with what Trump's doing too. It's a lot of things, but hypocritical isn't one of them.
The Commish
Footballguy
Sweet J
Footballguy
All sorts of work can be “done overseas” that attacks our electoral system and destabilizes our democracy. Do you really want to give foreign governments an open invitation to undermine our democracy?
that is treasonous behavior. You know that, right?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Do you care that someone’s using the office of the Presidency to pressure other countries to help him win a political campaign?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Let’s see how passionate Trump is about this corruption.
I guess this is how Rudy’s getting paid for throwing his morals out the window.
sho nuff
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I want to get back to normal. I want Democrats and Republicans to be able to work together again. We need an infrastructure bill and work on climate change way more than we need to prosecute one guy for corruption. Trump has opened up a gaping wound in this country. I want to close it.
So? You think every process is followed? What is the penalty for not following a process?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Depends on the process. If you’re asking for help from a foreign government on your political campaign, the penalty is reasonably considered to be impeachment and removal from office, among other things.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
It's a self-serving belief. People with that type of belief know it is 100% wrong but if they can get others to agree with their wrong premise, then if everyone believes in it, ie "both sides", then that belief turns from "wrong" to "everyone does it." Thus, fulfilling a wrong belief to be fine since everyone does it.
Yeah, giving the mob boss a free pass is not “closing the gaping wound”. Demonstrating that there are consequences for unlawful and grossly unethical behavior would be significantly more effective. Additionally, that “gaping wound” existed before Trump. Ignoring justice does nothing to treat the patient.
The only thing that enables two diametrically opposed factions to engage is adherence to the rule of law and commonly agreed upon norms.
Stop being a wishy washy doormat. I say that affectionately even though you annoy the heck out of me with your take no side fence sitting. Things are not ever going to “get back to normal”. That time has passed.
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