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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
timschochet said:Why?snitwitch said:mods, merge this with the russia thread please
Anton Geraschenko, senior adviser to Ukraine's interior minister.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The point of whistleblower protection is the whistleblower is supposed to be protected.
I am not sure about that ... I don't think its legal to bribe or extort foreign leaders for anyone's benefit. But, I am a bit out of my depth here.
Of course, there is also a very fine line between "negotiating" and "extorting"... I don't think Trump has any clue where that line might be - its all a part of doing business to him.
If there’s tapes, he’s done. Even as bad as the GOP has been they will know that 2020 will be impossible. Someone like Romney will announce he’s running for President and Trump will be gone. It won’t be about doing the right thing for the country, it will be about doing the right thing for the party. That’s what it’s always been and of there’s tapes, that time is coming.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I agree that actual recordings will be important. However, even with them, there seems like plenty of wriggle room to claim no wrong doing. We'll see but my guess is this ends up fading away like everything else.
As much as I'd love to agree, I don't. The base won't care, and that will cause the GOP leadership to remain scared and silent.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
To echo Ivan a little bit this is not hard, there is a solution - open an impeachment proceeding, subpoena the tape and transcript and when Trump refuses it bring it to a court and ask for an emergency hearing. There is even an explicit Supreme Court precedent about a president withholding tapes and this is even stronger than the Nixon case because this isn't some private executive circle conversation.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Ha, this is funny.
But you are dreaming of a world that doesn't exist anymore.
The only way this hurts Trump is if there is an explicit quid-pro-quo on tape, and I doubt Trump is brazen enough to do such a thing.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Right. There is no "done" anymore even if Trump is on tape. Why? Because Trump has been elevated to Supreme Ruler and can't commit crimes.
The GOP is about their best interest and it will take a lot for Trump to not be their best interest. This will do it. I think there will be a quid-pro-quo included. I think Trump is that brazen and that dumb. He’s empowered by beating the Russia stuff and finally having an AG that acts like his personal lawyer.
[scooter]
Footballguy
I think you seriously underestimate the GOP's threshold for "crimes and misdemeanors" -- at least when a Republican President is involved.
The public has already been exhausted with the Russia story, so at this point an actual crime will not cause outrage. Republicans in Congress are well aware of this, and they're going to exploit it for as long as they can.
It may seem like it would be in the GOP's best interest to "do the right thing", but the strategy could easily backfire -- just as it did for the Republicans in 1976.
The Commish
Footballguy
What are they scared of? There's zero reason to be scared. If anything, they should be licking their chops with the realization that their support isn't far off in quality from the minions in Despicable Me
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Benghazi.
Thought I'd get it out there.
Thought I'd get it out there.
Unemployment. Anyone crosses Trump, he's getting voted out. And that's all they care about. Country be damned.
squistion
Footballguy
Kyle Griffin citing WH Pool report:
Trump on the whistleblower story and Biden:
"POTUS calls it a 'Ridiculous story' and a 'Partisan whistleblower' ... Asked whether he discussed Biden in this conversation, POTUS 'it doesn't matter what I discussed' and says 'someone ought to look into Joe Biden'."
:(
Trump on the whistleblower story and Biden:
"POTUS calls it a 'Ridiculous story' and a 'Partisan whistleblower' ... Asked whether he discussed Biden in this conversation, POTUS 'it doesn't matter what I discussed' and says 'someone ought to look into Joe Biden'."
:(
The Commish
Footballguy
Yeah....at this point, I don't believe there is anyone left in Congress who wants to do the right thing but is scared.....this silence isn't out of fear it's because they agree.
The General
Footballguy
Trump says he has no idea who the whistleblower and has no idea about what they said but also somehow knows the person is highly partisan.
Also said all his conversations are "beautiful".
Also said all his conversations are "beautiful".
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
squistion
Footballguy
Expanding on that:
Trump on the whistleblower complaint:
"Ridiculous"; "partisan person" -- but "don't know the identity"; was a "beautiful conversation," and his conversations are "always appropriate." Asked if he talked about Biden, he said, "it doesn't matter what I discussed."
roadkill1292
Footballguy
There was a discussion elsewhere comparing the Watergate era to today and I don't see how you can escape the conclusion that the country's right no longer cares about governing honorably. It is determined to hold onto power, even if backed by a minority of voters, for every day that it can and no act of blatant grift will undermine that need.
Mookie
Footballguy
The whole the President is insulated from indictment argument is based upon a nearly 50 year legal opinion. It has never been addressed by a Court. This outdated legal opinion is now being coupled with executive privilege and extended by the Barr Justice Department to insulate the President from any prosecution, investigation, or application of legal restrictions, which completely removes him from Congressional or legal oversight. Such a notion is completely absurd. Sure, I get that a President shouldn't be accused of murder when calling in troops to quell a riot, or an inadequate response to a national emergency, or from speeding tickets for his motorcade, but murder is OK? There is no oversight? He can't be investigated? That is crazy, authoritarian stuff that has no business in a representative democracy. Impeach this clown.
jonessed
Footballguy
I think I’m more sick of the Democrats gyrating and bloviating around impeachment at this point. Whining turds. They can access whatever they want if they opt for a real impeachment process.
After the collusion fiasco I’m not inclined to believe any of them. Put up or shut up.
After the collusion fiasco I’m not inclined to believe any of them. Put up or shut up.
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squistion
Footballguy
Trump claims again, at the same time, that he doesn't know anything about the whistleblower complaint but he does know that the whistleblower is a "partisan person, meaning it comes out from another party."
Via CSPAN
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1175068444380794880
Via CSPAN
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1175068444380794880
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
I agree with jonessed in principle, the Dem’s are being Nancy’s (looking at you, Pelosi) in all this. IF Trump & Co. are operating extra-constitutionally, then it’s now time to quit complaining and actually take up the mantle of “checks and balances”; do something!
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
Sure. That would be kind of fun. As long as they do it in unison with an actual vote on submitted articles of impeachment.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Oh that I totally agree with and perhaps I misread @jonessed post. I'm pissed they let Lewendowsky run all over them. They should have dragged him away in handcuffs.
Trump in 2020. You new to politics?
Dems are in quite the quandary, do they put all the eggs in the impeachment basket or do they back a lukewarm candidate in the election.
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It makes sense to cover all the bases.
This is a crazy story. If the widespread suspicions are true, that Trump was trying to induce a foreign country to interfere in our election, this will be the craziest story in U.S politics since 2016.
I keep thinking about the similarities between the Trump administration and Antonio Brown. They keep trying to outdo each other.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
If this tape is real they won’t have any choice as @snitwitch wrote.
As to your second point, Donald Trump makes any opponent a powerful one, likely to win.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
randall146
Footballguy
As if unemployment is so bad for ex-Congressmen. They get an instant partnership in the law or lobbying firm of their choice
randall146
Footballguy
Disagree on both counts. Trump is absolutely brazen/stupid enough to do such a thing. Despite being a pathological liar, he is incredibly blunt and transparent. Also transactional and unburdened by ethics. So yeah, he’d come right out a say it.
However, it still won’t hurt him. The base will believe his lies about what he said on tape rather than just listen to what he said on tape.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
That point was also made in the discussion elsewhere. At some point along the line, the right quit worrying about its actions becoming uncovered by the media and instead went about changing the media. I wonder whether Nixon or St. Ron was the main catalyst?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
"There is not a politician in Congress who would not do the same. Its called Winning! And, nobody does winning better than Donald Trump!"
-John Barron
Not sure if this as been posted: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190917_-_ic_ig_second_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf
This is a letter from the IG to Schiff and Nunes on Sept 17 - not his original notice - but a follow up where he outlines his disagreements with Acting Director Maguire - noting that the matter: "not only falls within DNI's jurisdiction, but relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI's responsibilities to the American people."
This is a letter from the IG to Schiff and Nunes on Sept 17 - not his original notice - but a follow up where he outlines his disagreements with Acting Director Maguire - noting that the matter: "not only falls within DNI's jurisdiction, but relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI's responsibilities to the American people."
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