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(2003) Jets & Bears Trade - Jets get #4 (1 Viewer)

The experts pretty much concur that the 1st round grades go 12-15 deep in this draft... no way a 3rd round pick gets the Patriots so much as a sniff at the top ten picks...

 
Here's another take on the stick it to the division rival scenario.The sticking point in the negotiations with the Pats and the Bears was that the Pats wanted to include a swap of second round picks in addition to the two for one with the first rounders. The Bears would not go for it. Is is possible that not only was this deal purposely meant to fail, but to set the bar at two first round picks, knowing that the Jets coveted Robertson as well? I would not put this past Belichick. You can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.Just some food for thought.

 
You dont' NOT pay Coles and then trade away 2 1st round picks and wind up paying some unknown almost as much as you didn't give Coles.... Otherwise you can lose fans like myself off bridges. :thumbup:
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I think all English teachers are currently jumping off bridges after reading that "grammar". :)
 
Here's another take on the stick it to the division rival scenario.The sticking point in the negotiations with the Pats and the Bears was that the Pats wanted to include a swap of second round picks in addition to the two for one with the first rounders. The Bears would not go for it. Is is possible that not only was this deal purposely meant to fail, but to set the bar at two first round picks, knowing that the Jets coveted Robertson as well? I would not put this past Belichick. You can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.Just some food for thought.
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Ahh. Nice, so the Pats actually stuck it to the Jets? YES!! hahaha. Either way, I hope they get the guy they want. Two #1s are a huge price to pay for one guy...IMHOHey! Maybe they want McGahee!!!!! :thumbup: :)
 
Mark it down now, Boller to CHI @ #22.This is the BEST thing that could have happened to CHI.J Sullivan - DT - UGa @13K Boller - QB - CAL @22ORSullivan DT @13Haynes DE @22Grossman/Simms/Ragone QB @ 35

 
I don't think this will hamper the Pats at all. If anything it allows them to keep both 1st round picks. I would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots deal the #17 and their second rounder to move up in the top 10. That way they would be ensured of getting the DL that they want, and possible Newman or Truffant.The Pats have picks to burn and I would consider it a coup if they could get Sullivan and Truffant.
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I think you're kidding yourself if you think Sullivan is going to be around at #17, even with the Jets taking Robertson.Seattle, Chicago, San Diego and even KC and New Orleans all pick before 17 and have strong interest in DTs.
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I agree that Sullivan will be gone at 17. That's why I stated that the Pats might trade the #17 and keep their #14.
 
:thumbup: Been raving and ranting for a long time for this to happen and I am sure glad for it! 3 Picks in the first 35! SWWWwwweeeeetttttttttt...Loads of options here but I think that they will go with Eric Steinbach, Johnathon Sullivan and Sammy Davis would be great moves....
 
IN REPLY TO THE "WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW"MAYBE THE JETS WERE TO SCARED TO ANNOUNCE THIS TRADE IN FRONTOF THE HOMETOWN CROWD!WITH THE 4TH OVERALL PICK IN THE 2003 NFL DRAFT, THE NEW YORK JETS SELECT.......TIGHT END......JASON WITTEN! :thumbup: SORRY HAD A KYLE BRADY FLASHBACK.GOOD MOVE FOR THE BEARS, HOPE THEY GET BOLLER THOUGH.

 
If Rogers & Johnson are gone, which is a distinct possibility, this was sure a terrible trade for the Jets!
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That's what I'm saying....why would they risk this and who do they take if Johnson is gone???
 
Good deal for the Bears. I just don't see the value in making this move from the Jets perspective unless Andre Johnson somehow falls past the Texans.

Now Angelo and Jauron get what they want and draft fans get to hear booing from the J-E-T-S fans in the first hour.

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That's what I'm saying....why would they risk this and who do they take if Johnson is gone???
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Guys...read my previous post, they didn't move up to get Andre, Texans are going to take him. They moved up to get D. Robertson who they, and the Pats (and Parcells for that matter) view as the standout defensive player in this draft. This is a ballsy move for Bradway because they could've gotten one of the top five tackles at the 13 spot BUT if his scouts feel Robertson is a difference maker, it's a move that could work out.Cheers
 
The point was briefly mentioned earlier, but this really throws the Ravens' draft plans out of whack. With Chicago now picking at 13 and 22, and interested in Kyle Boller, Baltimore almost has to commit to picking him at #10 or else giving up on the QB. Flip side is that the Ravens will probably be trying even harder to move ahead of Jacksonville to get Leftwich.It was almost certain before, but it seems like this trade pretty much guarantees a flurry of others before the picks are made.

 
It's funny, most of the guys on Chicago radio think that from the link below "Angelo has no stones". The Bears have many holes, and if they weren't sure of Suggs/Rober....it was smart to trade down. Being a Packer fan, I don't care a whole lot, but I thought they should have picked Leftwhich/Suggs.....

 
The Bears liked Boller, but were never going to take him at #4 overall. Now they have a pick which is close to what he's 'valued' at, plus another pickto add the DL that they need. Jets will take Robertson. They'll look WR in round 2 or 3.. And Newman falls to Dallas now... :D

 
My Opinion is that the conditional pick is for Andre Johnson - if the Jets get him, they owe more to Da Bears. I don't think he will be there, although the Texans are foolish if they take Andre Johnson.How about this one - the Jets grab Terrence Newman just to screw Bill Parcells? Okay, maybe not, but it would sell papers here in the Big Apple.Big Bonus for the Bears - add depth and talent, without a clear pick for them at #4 - The Jets have bailed them out.Go Bills!!!

 
It's funny, most of the guys on Chicago radio think that from the link below "Angelo has no stones".
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I don't get that at all. Angelo is dealing one pick that should get you a very good player for two chances at less certain guys. It takes a lot more self-confidence to go with multiple chancy picks vs one safe choice.
 
If they take Robertson, they have to go WR 2nd/3rd round. Preferably 2nd round.

 
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Angelo gets to prove his worth.As with any draft, there really are no sure bets, but I really thought the Bears had a chance to get an impact player in either Robertson, Newman or even Suggs- who I think will be pretty good.Boller? A franchise guy? Not sure about that. It is true that this draft is pretty deep at DT and DE, so they will get somebody. I still say go D in the first--2x. I was always a fan of William Joseph. If the Bears get to solid contributors, this is a great deal. I still would of rather seen them stay at 4. Come on Jerry, don't blow it.

 
No link but the Score (radio station in CHI) is reporting that the conditional is a 3rd rounder- the 85th pick overall. If true, the BEARS will have 6 picks in the first 100!Chicago fans for th most part are livid but they will see the light in a few months!

 
It's funny, most of the guys on Chicago radio think that from the link below "Angelo has no stones".
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I don't get that at all. Angelo is dealing one pick that should get you a very good player for two chances at less certain guys. It takes a lot more self-confidence to go with multiple chancy picks vs one safe choice.
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People are saying that him and his scouts can't make a decision on #4. They said that there won't be as much of a backlash on him if #13 fails compared to if #4 is a bust.I think it was a great move for the Bears, unless you hear Chicage radio a lot-it's hard to understand their fanbase....
 
My Opinion is that the conditional pick is for Andre Johnson - if the Jets get him, they owe more to Da Bears. I don't think he will be there, although the Texans are foolish if they take Andre Johnson.
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Totally agree with you.
 
Let the games begin! This is going to touch off a fire-storm for trading. I think you are going to see a ton of action now of teams clawing to get into the top 10.I think it is a good gutsy move by the Jets.If the Bears use one of their picks on a QB, then I think they made a gutless move dropping down. I would like to see a DT/CB/OL with their 2 picks.Let's see what happens.

 
If Rogers & Johnson are gone, which is a distinct possibility, this was sure a terrible trade for the Jets!
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How many times must we go over this? :D The Jets did this to get Robertson. As a Jet fan I do not want a WR in the first. I do not want to watch another season of mediocre backs running for 150 yards over this defense. :D
 
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I agree that this was a great deal for the Bears since they have a few needs to fill.However, I am in the minority here with respect to the Jets getting the short end of the stick. I actually don't mind this deal for them. If they truly feel that Robertson is the premiere DT in this draft, then they had to move to this spot to get him. I understand that another team may still leapfrog the Jets to get Robertson (at the 2 or 3), but then the Jets would then end up with either Rogers or A.Johnson (who they also coveted).I will change my opinion on this trade though if the Jets do in fact manage to get a WR. That player will demand a hefty chunk of change (perhaps close to what Coles is making) and has yet to prove anything in the NFL. If the Jets get a WR, they basically traded away Coles and their 22 for this rookie WR. Terrible move then imo. This trade is all about Robertson I think.

 
What am I, a poison pill? I say kill the pin and the banter stops?This is a good move for the Bears. They need OT, DT, OLB, CB and RB. Adding the extra high pick in a draft that is deep at DT gives them a DT and a bonus. Might not be the DT they would prefer but the odds favor solid.

 
They just can't take Andre Johnson at #4. Like a Jets fan mentioned, they would be telling their fans that they gave up a proven 1200 yard reciever to draft a rookie WR. Considering last year's number 4 pick (Mike Williams) got a 6 year, $38million contract the Jets wouldn't even be saving any money over just keeping Coles and matching the 7year, $35million offer from the Skins - and they still would have had the 22nd pick.

 
Ditto. It's Herm Edwards, remember?
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I know it's herm edwards, but there was going to be a good dt at #13 where they could still get WR3/4 at pick 22. They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man. I think they should have went dt/wr with their first rounders. I don't think the trade up from the dt at 13 to Robertson and the loss of #22 is worth it....I still think that they might go WR if Johnson is there. I think Johnson could have a huge impact as a nfl player and is loaded with more potential that Coles had/has.
 
I understand the theory of why trade Coles and the #22 for AJ or Rogers - my take as a rabid Jet follower is that S Moss can fill Coles shoes. Our WR's are a bunch of smurfs - Chad needs a Key like difference maker. Rogers or AJ fill the bill. Trust me - both Rogers and AJ will turn out better than coles. Coles is a great #2 option but will not be a #1 WR - these two are solid #1's. Plus we have Conway so we do not have to throw them into the fire.Bottom line is no lose - we get a stud WR or the best defensive player in the draft - not bad! :thumbup:

 
We can get a 6'5" WR in the 2nd or 3rd. We need someone who will help stop the run :thumbup: DeeWayne gets green! :3eyes:

 
I know it's herm edwards, but there was going to be a good dt at #13 where they could still get WR3/4 at pick 22. They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man.
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They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man. They do think Robertson is the man. Hence the move. Andre Johnson is the insurance. If NE or DAL or anyone moves into the #3 slot to take Robertson, AJ is there at #4.Now, I absolutely detest Johnson. He's a liar and a cheat. Had his girlfriend write his papers @ UM and also got caught cheating on exams. It's a blight on academic history that he even got to play this past year. BUT, he and Rogers ARE head and shoulders over every other WR out there. Jacobs & Washington included.Now before anyone flames me about the AJ opinion, read this link first, then if you feel its still necessary, flame awayJohnson's End Run at UM
 
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Terry Bradway wants Robertson, they had targeted 4 Defensive lineman with pick 13, namely Robertson, Williams, Kennedy and Sullivan in that order. with Robertson's ascension into the top 5 they knew that Kennedy or Williams would go to the Vikings at 7 and that Seattle was planning on grabbibg the other at 11. with Seymour a former teammate of Sullivans in college, they were afraid that the Patriots would move up and lock the Jets out of the Defensive linemen.they paid a heavy price but the Jets now know they will get either Robertson, which is who they are targeting or Andre Johnson. they also know that Houston cannot trade out of the 3 slot with dallas unless they plan on trading down twice because Johnson would not be there at five if Parcells moves up to the number 3 to steal Robertson. This really hurts New England because Bellichek had gone to Kentucky to personally scout Robertson last october and was ready to trade up to get him, It is believed that Houston would want more than the Patriots 2 picks in the first round to trade down and even if they gave up the two first round picks and whatever extra it would take to acquire Houstons pick, the Jets would then Select Andre Johnson. Either way the Jets get a playmaker and they force New England to pay a premium to get Robertson or if they stay at number 14, New England may not even get one of the Top 4 Defensive lineman since Chicago is expected to take Sullivan if he is Available. Now New England must trade up, to even be sure that they get a Defensive lineman they like.on the Whole the Jetsmade a dramatic move which will please the fans in the Gallery and also net them an Impact player.

 
Gutsy move by the Jets.They either:1) Are sure the Texans will select AJ and NOT trade down with the Boys or Pats who could then select Robertson before them. If this happened and the Jets took AJ they would look and be foolish after giving up Coles.or2) If they think the Texans MIGHT trade down then AJ is NOT one of the 4 players they are targeting. Perhaps Newman or Kennedy is one their "coveted four" and the Jets would select one of them if another team moves up to #3 and snags Robertson.

 
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For a Jet fan the only way this backfires is if the first three selections tomorrow are Palmer, Newman and Robertson. :no: Once I hear a WR mentioned in the top three, the first beer will be cracked open. :thumbup:

 
I know it's herm edwards, but there was going to be a good dt at #13 where they could still get WR3/4 at pick 22.  They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man. 
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They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man. They do think Robertson is the man. Hence the move. Andre Johnson is the insurance. If NE or DAL or anyone moves into the #3 slot to take Robertson, AJ is there at #4.Now, I absolutely detest Johnson. He's a liar and a cheat. Had his girlfriend write his papers @ UM and also got caught cheating on exams. It's a blight on academic history that he even got to play this past year. BUT, he and Rogers ARE head and shoulders over every other WR out there. Jacobs & Washington included.Now before anyone flames me about the AJ opinion, read this link first, then if you feel its still necessary, flame awayJohnson's End Run at UM
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originally published: March 7, 2002Nothing more current? The source is questionable.
 
For a Jet fan the only way this backfires is if the first three selections tomorrow are Palmer, Newman and Robertson. :( Once I hear a WR mentioned in the top three, the first beer will be cracked open. :banned:
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Unless the guy they want is Newman, Dallas knows it, Cinci trades down to 5, and Dallas takes Newman ahead of them. :P
 
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