(2003) Jets & Bears Trade - Jets get #4 (1 Viewer)

[Clark Griswold]

I love this deal for my Bears. The Bears need help at a few positions and I am not completely sold on Robertson being head and shoulders above the other DTs. The one DT I would like to see still on the board at 13 for the Bears is Kevin Williams. I think this guy will develop into a monster. I alos like W Joseph and Sullivan in that order. At 22, I hope the Bears pass on Boller. He reminds me alot of Mike Mamula, in that he was a pretty marginal NFL draftee at the end of his senior season and then the NFL Combine and the workout sessions shot him up the chart. I don't see a difference between Boller, Grossman and Simms. One of them could be there for the Bears pick 35 in the second. If I make this trade and get two first round choices I fill a need at 13 and then I go for broke. At 22, I feel the Bears should go with McGahee. The Bears loved him before the injury and the talent is definitely there. Opinions??

 

[Davej626]

I love this deal for my Bears. The Bears need help at a few positions and I am not completely sold on Robertson being head and shoulders above the other DTs. The one DT I would like to see still on the board at 13 for the Bears is Kevin Williams. I think this guy will develop into a monster. I alos like W Joseph and Sullivan in that order. At 22, I hope the Bears pass on Boller. He reminds me alot of Mike Mamula, in that he was a pretty marginal NFL draftee at the end of his senior season and then the NFL Combine and the workout sessions shot him up the chart. I don't see a difference between Boller, Grossman and Simms. One of them could be there for the Bears pick 35 in the second. If I make this trade and get two first round choices I fill a need at 13 and then I go for broke. At 22, I feel the Bears should go with McGahee. The Bears loved him before the injury and the talent is definitely there. Opinions??

Yea take McGahee! That way my Pats aren't tempted!! Take him! Come on you love him! Come on Oakland! You too!

 

[tommy300]

Bears just made a special trip to see Ragone again this week and from what I heard are still impressed by him. There was talk on the radio about him being Angelo's guy right after the superbowl. I think there is a good chance they take him in the second....

 

[tommy300]

Newman is the guy forgotten in this whole thread. He is top 5 worthy and would be an excellent addition for many teams.Suggs workout may not have been the best, but he definatly was one of the biggest playmakers in col.football last year. He is still going to be an excellent pro that is supurb getting off the ball....

 

[Lefty27]

From what I am hearing, the Bears really like Grossman. I hope they don't get antsy and pick him now at #22. I want to see them go OL/DL or maybe even CB with #13/#22.Forget the McGahee talk at #22. If the Bears don't want the pressure of taking someone at #4, there is NO WAY they are going to take McGahee at 22 and sit on him for a year.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

I just got this from KFFL E-Wire...has anyone heard anything about this?

CHICAGO BEARS/NEW YORK JETS - DRAFT TRADE

Jay Glazer, of SportsLine.com, reports the New York Jets have traded their No. 13 and No. 22 overall picks to the Chicago Bears for the Bears' No. 4 overall selection.

 

[dparker713]

NE doesnt have a chance to move up to pick Robertson now. Casserly has made it perfectly clear that though the Texans are willing to trade down, they wont trade down far, and all indications are that they wont trade out of the top 10. So, first the Pats would need to trade into the top 10, and then trade again with the Texans to move up to the 3 spot. I have heard more talk about the Cowboys moving up to 3, but at this point the Pats seem to be out of it.

 

[tommy300]

I just got this from KFFL E-Wire...has anyone heard anything about this?

CHICAGO BEARS/NEW YORK JETS - DRAFT TRADE

Jay Glazer, of SportsLine.com, reports the New York Jets have traded their No. 13 and No. 22 overall picks to the Chicago Bears for the Bears' No. 4 overall selection.

Thanks for the quick update IPD

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

I love shrugging as I receive the E-Wire, knowing that these boards have had the information for several hours already.I guess that's what happens when you have thousands of people 'writing' for your site. Way to be, Shark Pool!

 

[The_Man]

Profootballtalk.com had this item this morning:

We're hearing that the ongoing personnel power struggle between Bears G.M. Jerry Angelo and head coach **** Jauron has been resolved -- and that Jauron has won.

According to one of our Chitown moles, Jauron's draft plan in round one has prevailed. Now, the Bears either will select Kentucky defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, or they will trade down and pick two defensive players who can contribute now. Likewise, the Bears will address their pass-rushing needs by pursuing defensive end Tony Brackens, if/when he's released by the Jaguars.So, according to their theory, the Bears will go D with their first two picks, then try to sign Brackens. In that scenario, who do they go for? Sullivan and then a DB?

 

[Jimmy James]

NE doesnt have a chance to move up to pick Robertson now.  Casserly has made it perfectly clear that though the Texans are willing to trade down, they wont trade down far, and all indications are that they wont trade out of the top 10.  So, first the Pats would need to trade into the top 10, and then trade again with the Texans to move up to the 3 spot.  I have heard more talk about the Cowboys moving up to 3, but at this point the Pats seem to be out of it.

I'm thinking that you're right, but remember that we could always see a three way deal with the Texans, Patriots, and the Cardinals or the Vikings. The Texans could get Gross and a pick/picks for the 3rd pick, then the (Cards/Vikings) could deal with the Patriots to move down. I don't know what it would take to see something like this happen, but the Patriots can make this work if they're highly motivated to do so.

 

[humans_being]

Maybe this is to force Parcells to trade up to #3, thus allowing Johnson to fall to the Jets at #4. I can see Houston doing this because i think they need an OL the most and believe they would be happy to grab Gross.

 

[Jets_Fan]

some people arent paying attention, the Jets didnt want to give coles a big upfront bonus as a Wide Receiver, Why would they want to give one to Johnson ? this trade is about Dewayne Robertson. Dallas may trade up but with all their needs it may not be the best use of their resources. Robertson is the Jets version of Warren Sapp in Edwards defensive scheme

 

[Mark Wimer]

Here's another take on the stick it to the division rival scenario.The sticking point in the negotiations with the Pats and the Bears was that the Pats wanted to include a swap of second round picks in addition to the two for one with the first rounders. The Bears would not go for it. Is is possible that not only was this deal purposely meant to fail, but to set the bar at two first round picks, knowing that the Jets coveted Robertson as well? I would not put this past Belichick. You can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.Just some food for thought.

How much fun is this?! You're right, it would be a coup for Belichick if this is what is going on... Will tomorrow never come?

 

[Courvoisier]

So, are the Jets going to let Pennington or Abraham leave as FAs now? Because when the didn't match Coles they said it was so they would have money to resign those two, but the #4 pick will cost as much or more than Coles got.

 

[wharf rat]

Where'd you learn that Fatsquirreli - by reading this board? Nice scoop!

I prefer Len Pastabelly :rotflmao:

 

[The Godfather]

So, are the Jets going to let Pennington or Abraham leave as FAs now? Because when the didn't match Coles they said it was so they would have money to resign those two, but the #4 pick will cost as much or more than Coles got.

They still have more cap room this way. They aren't paying another first rounder. They gave up Coles, a former 3rd rounder coming off a career year, and their late first rounder in a fairly weak draft class. They got a top 5 pick, which will cost about as much as Coles would have cost, and whatever money it would have cost to overpay for a weak first rounder.It's still a poor offseason when you take Coles into the picture - they gave up Coles AND a first for one of (Andre Johnson, D Rob, or Newman) - but they actually gained cap money because they lost their first rounder. All in all, they are making the most of the Coles mishap.

 

[XNOUGHT]

Jets got bent :wacko: WHOOOOHOOOOOCap trouble, and holes at DT, LB, WR, OG, and DB!

 

[Jets_Fan]

Here's another take on the stick it to the division rival scenario.The sticking point in the negotiations with the Pats and the Bears was that the Pats wanted to include a swap of second round picks in addition to the two for one with the first rounders.  The Bears would not go for it.  Is is possible that not only was this deal purposely meant to fail, but to set the bar at two first round picks, knowing that the Jets coveted Robertson as well?  I would not put this past Belichick.  You can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.Just some food for thought.

How much fun is this?! You're right, it would be a coup for Belichick if this is what is going on... Will tomorrow never come?

its true that Bellichek was trying to move up to draft Robertson, He targeted him last october when he went to see two of his games in person. Scott Pioli , who is New England's Player personnel director, was Quoted as saying that there are 2 Defensive Lineman that fit the Patriots scheme, Dewayne Robertson and Jonathan Sullivan. Now the Patriots have to trade up to get either one and Since Houston GM Charlie Casserly has said he Will not trade out of the 3rd spot any lower than the top 10 that means that the Patriots would have to first acquire a top 10 pick first, before they could interest Casserly in a trade down. It is far more likely that the Patriots will move up ahead of Chicago to assure that they get Sullivan and since Bellichek traded one of his 3rd rounders earlier today to Miami, it is highly doubtful they are going to pay what it will take to satisfy Houston. Dallas is the team more likely to try and jump up over the Jets. So in this case its not a ploy on Bellichek's part because he definitely wanted Robertson. the Bears just didn't want to lose Sullivan to the Jets, if they had traded with New England.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Suggs has fallen in the draft because he was unable to break 4.8 in the forty and teams see that as a concern.

I know the Jets won't take him, but think about this...how often does a DE run 40 yards. Most coaches don't even run the 40 again in training camp. Suggs is quick off the ball, as evidenced by his 24 sacks last year. Although I think it has dropped him, I don't think it should really matter.I think the Jets are trying for Newman. They would be able to stick it to Jerry Jones and the Big Tuna at the same time. That's a bonus for them!

 

[Jets_Fan]

I know the Jets won't take him, but think about this...how often does a DE run 40 yards. Most coaches don't even run the 40 again in training camp. Suggs is quick off the ball, as evidenced by his 24 sacks last year. Although I think it has dropped him, I don't think it should really matter.I think the Jets are trying for Newman. They would be able to stick it to Jerry Jones and the Big Tuna at the same time. That's a bonus for them!

the Jets have had trouble stopping the Run, Ted Cottrell, their Defensive co-ordinator, believes they need a big body to help with the run and thereby free Abraham of some double coverage. I know the Vikes wanted Robertson alongside Chris Hovan, but Jimmy Kennedy isnt a bad fallback for the Vikes

 

[Chet@ND]

I know it's herm edwards, but there was going to be a good dt at #13 where they could still get WR3/4 at pick 22.  They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man. 

They have to love either A.Johnson more than any other WR they could get (and I understand this), or think that Robertson is going to be the man. They do think Robertson is the man. Hence the move. Andre Johnson is the insurance. If NE or DAL or anyone moves into the #3 slot to take Robertson, AJ is there at #4.Now, I absolutely detest Johnson. He's a liar and a cheat. Had his girlfriend write his papers @ UM and also got caught cheating on exams. It's a blight on academic history that he even got to play this past year. BUT, he and Rogers ARE head and shoulders over every other WR out there. Jacobs & Washington included.Now before anyone flames me about the AJ opinion, read this link first, then if you feel its still necessary, flame awayJohnson's End Run at UM

originally published: March 7, 2002Nothing more current? The source is questionable.

The article was current when the events unfolded. The trangressions occured before the 2002 Rose Bowl v. NEB. The univesity stepped in and altered his suspension so that he wouldn't miss this past season.What amazes me, and somewhat goes in line with your doubts, is how well the University of MIA covered its tracks and kept this out of the mainstream media. I guess Univ. Pres. Donna Schalala used her experience in the Clinton Administration in this case.

 

[3nOut]

Listening to Mike & The Mad Dog on the air right now talking about it...Mike F. is saying that the Jets have been trying frantically. They had a deal in place to move up to 7th (Minnesota) but then feared neither Andre John nor Robertson would be there and finally got the 4th from Chi-town predicated on the inclusion of a conditional pick from Chicago to get NY's two firsts.Personally, I think this is a FANTASTIC move for the Bears. I understand that Dewayne Robertson grades out as the top DL on the board, BUT this is arguably the deepest crop of DL in decades with 10 expected to go off the board in the first round. The Jets could've gotten one of Kevin Williams, William Joseph, Jon Sullivan at 13 for sure, so you have to wonder if this move will bite them in the keister. D. Robertson better be significantly better than some of those other tackles!Cheers

I agree. I think at #13 the Bears will take Sullivan and a QB (Boller will probably be gone), probably Grossman, Simms or Ragone (the order I'd take them).

 

[yoda]

If Robertson is all that and a slice of cheese, good move by the Jets. Defense wins championships and the D-Line is key.

 

[3nOut]

Question- I thought that part of the deal in bringing in Kordell Stewart was that Chicago wouldn't bring in a QB in the first round of the draft? Am I remembering wrong? How does this move effect that situation?

Did they say the won't use a first round pick or their first pick? There's a difference. By getting two first rounders, they can take a DT with their first pick and a QB with their second.

 

[ksbearfn]

QUOTE (Silver & Black @ Apr 25 2003, 12:34 PM)

Question- I thought that part of the deal in bringing in Kordell Stewart was that Chicago wouldn't bring in a QB in the first round of the draft? Am I remembering wrong? How does this move effect that situation?

Did they say the won't use a first round pick or their first pick? There's a difference. By getting two first rounders, they can take a DT with their first pick and a QB with their second.

I thought the deal was that they wouldn't yank Kordell out before the 1st quarter of the 1st game...But hey, three picks of the first 35 is super! Go Bears!

 

[DaPummeller]

Per Chicago radioJets get #4Bears get BOTH of the Jets first rounders.YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Interseptopus]

LOL that trade sure worked out well... Haynes, a DL who was released in 2006 and Grossman...

 

[RBM]

Didnt work out for either team