2006 Viking Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[reg]

Mike McMahon   

Aaron Brooks - could do worse. Not a bad back-up

Kerry Collins - Age + Injury = 

Jay Fiedler - Been there done that..

Tommy Maddox - Not sure if skilles went to crap or he jsut had a bad fill-in season last year.

Jamie Martin - Chance there to grow, but looked pretty bad fillin in for Bulger last season.

Anthony Wright - Ummm....   

Joey Harrington - NO F'In Way        .

If that's the best we have to choose from to back-up Johnson for this season I'd go Brooks, Collins, then Martin/Maddox/Fiedler.Hope for either a big drop on June 1st and move up in the draft to get a future QB or this team is going to be :( if Johnson goes down.

Vikings | Team will visit with McMahonTue, 21 Mar 2006 22:31:04 -0800

Jeff Darlington, of the Palm Beach Post, reports the Minnesota Vikings will visit with free agent QB Mike McMahon (Eagles) Wednesday, March 22.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Troy Williamson as our slot receiver and\or #4 wide receiver.

For a #7 overall pick, that sucks. Even if it is only his second year.Just think if Red had given Antonio Pierce that signing bonus last year. Then they draft Derrick Johnson last draft and someone like Bobby Carpenter or Thomas Howard or Ernie Sims this one. All of a sudden, the defense is looking fantastic.

Have you seen what the stellar coaching staff from last year did with Dontarrious Thomas?No doubt in my mind that if we would have drafted Derrick Johnson last year, the coaching staff would have turned him into an immediate bust as well.

But he would at least be on the roster this year.Are you saying Dontarrious has value to the Vikings again? I have actually heard that he may be a great fit for the Tampa 2.

 

[BlueOnion]

Troy Williamson as our slot receiver and\or #4 wide receiver.

For a #7 overall pick, that sucks. Even if it is only his second year.Just think if Red had given Antonio Pierce that signing bonus last year. Then they draft Derrick Johnson last draft and someone like Bobby Carpenter or Thomas Howard or Ernie Sims this one. All of a sudden, the defense is looking fantastic.

Have you seen what the stellar coaching staff from last year did with Dontarrious Thomas?No doubt in my mind that if we would have drafted Derrick Johnson last year, the coaching staff would have turned him into an immediate bust as well.

But he would at least be on the roster this year.Are you saying Dontarrious has value to the Vikings again? I have actually heard that he may be a great fit for the Tampa 2.

The Vikings have used a 2nd round pick on Dontarrious Thomas, EJ Henderson (Butkus award winner) and Raonall Smith; all of which have been bust. The best linebackers on the team (Sam Cowart, Keith Newman) are players that had established their skill prior to arriving to the Vikings.To me, the Vikings could have drafted Ray Lewis or Derrick Johnson; both of which would have turned into bust under that coaching staff.

PS - I am pretty sure Williamson will be on the roster this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

PS - I am pretty sure Williamson will be on the roster this year.

That's not what I meant. I meant that while last year's staff wouldn't be able to coach Johnson, this year's would.

 

[BlueOnion]

PS - I am pretty sure Williamson will be on the roster this year.

That's not what I meant. I meant that while last year's staff wouldn't be able to coach Johnson, this year's would.

Okay, I see where this is going.

 

[JMon348]

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

 

[tietzjd]

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

Mike McMahon SignedTank Williams and Signed



http://www.startribune.com/503/story/326352.html

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

Mike McMahon SignedTank Williams and Signed

What's exciting about those? Tank may be okay, but is he better than Offord?Time to start up the "Omar Jacobs in the 2nd" hype. Who's with me!?

 

[tietzjd]

about Tank! I think he better player then most people think... I am Big tank backer . (He is only 25!)

Bring in Woodson or Law as Nickel CB and sign June or another Decent to good LB and I would call FA a success and would start getting pumped for the draft.

 

[ratpfink]

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

Mike McMahon SignedTank Williams and Signed

What's exciting about those? Tank may be okay, but is he better than Offord?Time to start up the "Omar Jacobs in the 2nd" hype. Who's with me!?

Gave up on the "Jay Cutler slides to 17" hype already?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

Mike McMahon SignedTank Williams and Signed

What's exciting about those? Tank may be okay, but is he better than Offord?Time to start up the "Omar Jacobs in the 2nd" hype. Who's with me!?

Gave up on the "Jay Cutler slides to 17" hype already?

I never expected that to happen (did I?).

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

Mike McMahon SignedTank Williams and Signed

What's exciting about those? Tank may be okay, but is he better than Offord?Time to start up the "Omar Jacobs in the 2nd" hype. Who's with me!?

Is Omar better than Brodie Croyle?? One of the two better be a Viking next year.

 

[Gopher State]

QUOTE(tietzjd @ Mar 23 2006, 03:12 PM)

QUOTE(JMon348 @ Mar 22 2006, 10:16 PM)

Vikes in negotiations with Mike McMahon

Tank Williams visiting tomorrow

Mike McMahon Signed

Tank Williams and Signed

What's exciting about those? Tank may be okay, but is he better than Offord?

Time to start up the "Omar Jacobs in the 2nd" hype. Who's with me!? :X :X :X :X

 

[TheRegulator]

This McMahon signing just makes me want to :X

Who cares if you know the "Childress" WC offense, when you still suck in it. When is this damn coaching staff going to stop drinking the BJ Kool-Aid and realize that we need a new starting QB? We are talking about someone who couldn't even supplant Joey #######g Harrington here.....

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This McMahon signing just makes me want to  :X

Who cares if you know the "Childress" WC offense, when you still suck in it.  When is this damn coaching staff going to stop drinking the BJ Kool-Aid and realize that we need a new starting QB?  We are talking about someone who couldn't even supplant Joey #######g Harrington here.....

Who do you suggest they sign?Rome wasn't built in a day, and with the state that Red left the team, it may take only slightly longer to rebuild the Vikings.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Considering what was left at the QB position MM won't play this year anyway. So it's a matter of WHICH QB we draft instead of IF we will for sure now.

Anyone know roughly what we still have left to spend on FA's???

 

[TheRegulator]

This McMahon signing just makes me want to  :X

Who cares if you know the "Childress" WC offense, when you still suck in it.  When is this damn coaching staff going to stop drinking the BJ Kool-Aid and realize that we need a new starting QB?  We are talking about someone who couldn't even supplant Joey #######g Harrington here.....

Who do you suggest they sign?Rome wasn't built in a day, and with the state that Red left the team, it may take only slightly longer to rebuild the Vikings.

Its not that I expect the QB situation to be completely settled--but McMahon is as much of an answer as a back-up QB as BJ is as a starting QB. Maybe I just have a tougher time seeing this season being flushed down the toilet. I just think management has dropped the ball here so far regarding the QB situation. Once C-Pep forced his way out of town, we haven't heard squat about potential candidates coming in like Brooks, Griese, Collins--for instance. Now all of sudden McMahon gets cut and he signed within like 2 days? Its almost like its who Childress wanted him all along and he knew Reid was going to cut him. Its just my opinion, but I think he has been an overrated piece of trash since day 1. Mobile QB, with big arm in the NFL is turning into the NBA's 7ft infatuation. Who cares if he read defenses or has any touch on his throws. I know I am going overboard here, but I was starting to get excited for this upcoming season and I guess I should just be content with mediocrity as usual. I need to calm down and have a

 

[JMon348]

Vikings | Team reaches agreement with D. Scott

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:03:34 -0800

Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Minnesota Vikings have reached a contract agreement with free agent DL DeQuincy Scott (Chargers).

 

[ratpfink]

Vikings | Team reaches agreement with D. Scott

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:03:34 -0800

Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Minnesota Vikings have reached a contract agreement with free agent DL DeQuincy Scott (Chargers).

I'm pretty sure he's just going to take Lance Johnstone's role on the defense.

 

[acaplan]

Vikings | Team reaches agreement with D. Scott

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:03:34 -0800

Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Minnesota Vikings have reached a contract agreement with free agent DL DeQuincy Scott (Chargers).

I'm pretty sure he's just going to take Lance Johnstone's role on the defense.

Correct. They'll have a four-man rotation. They needed some veteran depth.

 

[ratpfink]

Vikings | Team reaches agreement with D. Scott

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:03:34 -0800

Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Minnesota Vikings have reached a contract agreement with free agent DL DeQuincy Scott (Chargers).

I'm pretty sure he's just going to take Lance Johnstone's role on the defense.

Correct. They'll have a four-man rotation. They needed some veteran depth.

Scott, Scott, James & Udeze. Almost sounds like a law firm.

 

[skol asylum]

Vikings | Team reaches agreement with D. Scott

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:03:34 -0800

Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Minnesota Vikings have reached a contract agreement with free agent DL DeQuincy Scott (Chargers).

I'm pretty sure he's just going to take Lance Johnstone's role on the defense.

Correct. They'll have a four-man rotation. They needed some veteran depth.

Scott, Scott, James & Udeze. Almost sounds like a law firm.

Darrion, DeQuincy, Erasmus, and Kenechi has a better ring to it.

 

[skol asylum]

How about a D-line at some moment in time of:

Scott Williams Williams Scott

 

[FunkyPlutos]

They signed Scott for the league minimum...looks like a good deal for a situational guy who put up decent sack numbers for a bit player! I don't know the guy that well but that is a ton cheaper than what Johnstone would cost, plus it sounds like he has a little versatility as well. Good signing!

I also LOVE the Tank Williams signing!!

 

[BlueOnion]

Who wants to get on the 'bench Brad Johnson and start Mike McMahon' bandwagon with me? I think this would be a huge upgrade at quarterback for the Vikings.

 

[snogger]

Considering what was left at the QB position MM won't play this year anyway.

Really.. You expect Brad Johnson to play all 16 games this season??I say by game 9 MM is starting a game and Viking Fans everywhere will be Watching him Throw wounded ducks to the other team.

 

[BlueOnion]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August. If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart. And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August. If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart. And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

 

[BlueOnion]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August.  If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart.  And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

I think Palmer was the #2 guy behind Kitna. If we get Leinart, then he would be #3?

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Considering what was left at the QB position MM won't play this year anyway. 

Really.. You expect Brad Johnson to play all 16 games this season??I say by game 9 MM is starting a game and Viking Fans everywhere will be Watching him Throw wounded ducks to the other team.

??? Yeah I do. He'll be better protected with the addition of Hutch, he'll be running a version of the WCO, which to me means we'll be running the ball more than we have in about 3-4 years and with the strong D (I hope), he'll be sitting pretty in the backfield waiting for Wiggins to get open or Williamson to get that step on the safety. That plus somewhat a soft schedule I think BJ will. I do have one concern that is since we have a new HC and a new system and a lot of new talent, should we struggle early on and I mean badly, I'd rather see the KID (aka Whitehurst or whomever we draft on Day 1) play and get his time instead of MM or JTO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August.  If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart.  And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

I think Palmer was the #2 guy behind Kitna. If we get Leinart, then he would be #3?

Depth chart at the beginning of the season:

Brad Johnson

Matt Leinart

You or me

Mike McMahon

 

[BlueOnion]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August.  If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart.  And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

I think Palmer was the #2 guy behind Kitna. If we get Leinart, then he would be #3?

Depth chart at the beginning of the season:

Brad Johnson

Matt Leinart

You or me

Mike McMahon

How aboutMike McMahon

Matt Lienart

Koren Robinson

A bag of dougnuts

Ryan Longwell

Bryant McKinnie

Season Ticket Holder #1

Season Ticket Holder #2

Season Ticket Holder #3

Season Ticket Holder #4

....

....

....

Season Ticket Holder #64,513

Brad Johnson

 

[jestertj]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August.  If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart.  And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

So you two are telling me you want to just put one of these guys in sooner than later and try and have him go Big Ben on the season?I think they're more likely to go the Carson Palmer route and let him watch for a full season. If that's the case, you don't have a real chance at making a playoff run until his third year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August.  If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart.  And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

So you two are telling me you want to just put one of these guys in sooner than later and try and have him go Big Ben on the season?I think they're more likely to go the Carson Palmer route and let him watch for a full season. If that's the case, you don't have a real chance at making a playoff run until his third year.

No. I'm saying if the situation warrants, you could play Leinart over Johnson at any time during the season.I'm not interested in making a playoff run. I want the Vikes to win the Super Bowl. The franchise has had a "good enough" mentality for long enough.

 

[tietzjd]

I'm not interested in making a playoff run. I want the Vikes to win the Super Bowl. The franchise has had a "good enough" mentality for long enough.

 

[jestertj]

I really think Brad Johnson will be the odd man out come August.  If the Vikings acquire Lienart or Cutler, I don't think they can put one of these guys at #2 on the depth chart.  And I don't think they can put McMahon at #3 on the depth chart.

Sure they can. It's what the Bengals did with Palmer, right?If one of the QB's are good enough to start midway through the season, to heck with BJ's feelings.

So you two are telling me you want to just put one of these guys in sooner than later and try and have him go Big Ben on the season?I think they're more likely to go the Carson Palmer route and let him watch for a full season. If that's the case, you don't have a real chance at making a playoff run until his third year.

No. I'm saying if the situation warrants, you could play Leinart over Johnson at any time during the season.I'm not interested in making a playoff run. I want the Vikes to win the Super Bowl. The franchise has had a "good enough" mentality for long enough.

Okay, I see with where you are on the first point. I could see that.On the second, I agree.

I should do a better job of stating, I don't see them winning the Super Bowl with a Leinart until he is playing his second year as a full time starter at best. If they plan on going with Opie for the season and really believe they have a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl, they would be doing the team a disservice in trading multiple picks to draft Leinart. Other players at other positions would be a much better choice for now. No?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I should do a better job of stating, I don't see them winning the Super Bowl with a Leinart until he is playing his second year as a full time starter at best. If they plan on going with Opie for the season and really believe they have a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl, they would be doing the team a disservice in trading multiple picks to draft Leinart. Other players at other positions would be a much better choice for now. No?

Do you think they have illusions of winning the Super Bowl THIS year? I can't believe they're believing that.Hypothetically speaking, if they ARE thinking SB this year, then it would be moronic to trade those picks.

 

[jestertj]

I should do a better job of stating, I don't see them winning the Super Bowl with a Leinart until he is playing his second year as a full time starter at best. If they plan on going with Opie for the season and really believe they have a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl, they would be doing the team a disservice in trading multiple picks to draft Leinart. Other players at other positions would be a much better choice for now. No?

Do you think they have illusions of winning the Super Bowl THIS year? I can't believe they're believing that.Hypothetically speaking, if they ARE thinking SB this year, then it would be moronic to trade those picks.

I think they believe they have a shot with the way teams go from 5-11 to being in a conference title game.

 

[shamrock84]

I should do a better job of stating, I don't see them winning the Super Bowl with a Leinart until he is playing his second year as a full time starter at best. If they plan on going with Opie for the season and really believe they have a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl, they would be doing the team a disservice in trading multiple picks to draft Leinart. Other players at other positions would be a much better choice for now. No?

Do you think they have illusions of winning the Super Bowl THIS year? I can't believe they're believing that.Hypothetically speaking, if they ARE thinking SB this year, then it would be moronic to trade those picks.

Maybe I'm naive but I think that they should believe they have a shot at the SB this year... otherwise what's the point of competing? Stranger things have happened.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Maybe I'm naive but I think that they should believe they have a shot at the SB this year... otherwise what's the point of competing? Stranger things have happened.

To get younger players more experience so that they're able to have a dominant stretch 2-3 years from now?I hate the Pete Rozelle/One and done model of parity in the NFL. Give my dynasties damnit.

 

[BlueOnion]

Burleson has signed with Seattle and the Vikings' will get the Seahawks 3rd round pick. How does everybody feel about this?Personally I think this is great news for the Vikings. Looking at the following two groups of wide receivers, really what is the difference in talent:

1. Koren Robinson2. Travis Taylor3. Nate Burleson4. Marcus Robinson

1. Koren Robinson2. Travis Taylor3. Marcus Robinson4. Troy Williamson

Sure I like Burleson but the total package of what these two receiver groups brings to the team is about the same; losing Burleson is a wash. The only noticeable difference is Group 2 infers the Vikings get an extra 3rd round pick (Seattle's) in this year's draft.

 

[BlueOnion]

Anybody got a quick breakdown\overview of our expected depth chart at offensive line?

LT - Bryant McKinnie

LG - Steve 'bye-bye Seattle' Hutchinson

C - Matt Birk

RG - Adam Goldberg

RT - Marcus Johnson

Any word on Anthony Herrera and Mike Rosenthaul? Anybody else I am missing?

 

[acaplan]

Anybody got a quick breakdown\overview of our expected depth chart at offensive line?

LT - Bryant McKinnie

LG - Steve 'bye-bye Seattle' Hutchinson

C - Matt Birk

RG - Adam Goldberg

RT - Marcus Johnson

Any word on Anthony Herrera and Mike Rosenthaul? Anybody else I am missing?

Goldberg almost certainly won't start. Liwienski should start there or Johnson. Left side is set. RT will be Johnson or Rosenthal.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Anybody got a quick breakdown\overview of our expected depth chart at offensive line?

LT - Bryant McKinnie

LG - Steve 'bye-bye Seattle' Hutchinson

C - Matt Birk

RG - Max Jean-Gilles

RT - Marcus Johnson

Any word on Anthony Herrera and Mike Rosenthaul? Anybody else I am missing?

 

[acaplan]

Anybody got a quick breakdown\overview of our expected depth chart at offensive line?

LT - Bryant McKinnie

LG - Steve 'bye-bye Seattle' Hutchinson

C - Matt Birk

RG - Max Jean-Gilles

RT - Marcus Johnson

Any word on Anthony Herrera and Mike Rosenthaul?  Anybody else I am missing?

Gilles or Charles Spencer.

 

[TheRegulator]

Burleson has signed with Seattle and the Vikings' will get the Seahawks 3rd round pick. How does everybody feel about this?

Personally I think this is great news for the Vikings. Looking at the following two groups of wide receivers, really what is the difference in talent:

1. Koren Robinson

2. Travis Taylor

3. Nate Burleson

4. Marcus Robinson

1. Koren Robinson

2. Travis Taylor

3. Marcus Robinson

4. Troy Williamson

Sure I like Burleson but the total package of what these two receiver groups brings to the team is about the same; losing Burleson is a wash. The only noticeable difference is Group 2 infers the Vikings get an extra 3rd round pick (Seattle's) in this year's draft.

How about both groups be equally :X

 

[BlueOnion]

The Numbers Game

Generic Article talking about the Vikings trading up for a quarterback.

Article speculates that the cost for the Vikings to trade up to the #2 or #3 spot is to much for the Vikings. Although I agree, I am not yet sold that the current administration believes it is to much.

Again, just speculation I am sure. What else is a news media designated strictly to the Vikings going to talk about on April 3rd?

 

[BlueOnion]

My EARLY, EARLY, EARLY wish list

1.17 - Ernie Sims OLB | Florida State2.48 - D'Qwell Jackson MLB | Maryland2.51 - Charles Spencer OG | Pittsburgh (assuming Jean-Gilles and Joseph are gone)3.83 - Troy Reddick OT | Auburn3.95 - Pat Watkins S | Florida State

 

[Hov34]

Anybody got a quick breakdown\overview of our expected depth chart at offensive line?

LT - Bryant McKinnie

LG - Steve 'bye-bye Seattle' Hutchinson

C - Matt Birk

RG - Adam Goldberg

RT - Marcus Johnson

Any word on Anthony Herrera and Mike Rosenthaul? Anybody else I am missing?

Whatever happened to the Neal from New England rumored signing?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My EARLY, EARLY, EARLY wish list

1.17 - Ernie Sims OLB | Florida State2.48 - D'Qwell Jackson MLB | Maryland

2.51 - Charles Spencer OG | Pittsburgh (assuming Jean-Gilles and Joseph are gone)

That would be ridiculously good as Sims would be a Tampa 2 monster, Jackson is the #1 rated MLB, and Spencer is just as good as Jean-Gilles and Joseph (they're all too close to call a clear favorite).