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Based on what you wrote you would be #3 (never attended Duke). I'm guessing the reading comprehension thingy might have played a factor in Trinty/Duke. That said, being an engineering grad too, I realize that our SATs were weighted on one side.
I guess I misread the first question, just assumed that he meant jump to #4 if you never attended Duke but I guess that would have helped on the SATs. Yeah, I think Pratt's averages SAT Math was 750 or 760 the year I applied. Math was my strong suit but didn't do too well on the SATs. Regardless, I went to an engineering school that had a pretty bad bball program while I was there and no football program so Duke kinda stuck and like I said, many of the people there remained fans of the OSUs and Alabamas so I figured it could be worse.
Not gonna lie...the thought of that did kinda rock me for a moment.
Agreed. Took a few open 3's but since then he isn't looking for his shot. He is going to have to get to the rim and either finish or dish. But pounding it into the deck 30 feet out by all our guards isn't good enough.
Wow. Hell of a game. Going to be a fun team to watch all year. Hopefully they don't run out of steam like last year.
Can't believe the ACC tied it. I think Sheed and Cook learned something tonight so going forward, they shouldn't be hesitant to attack. Hopefully Seth is healthy or he gets some time off. Ryan is starting to get his offense in gear. Hopefully getting Marshall back will help with some rebounding but Ryan/Mason are going to have to work better together on the glass and it seemed Sheed/Cook realized they needed to help with the rebounding.
I agree...we need some help off that bench. I was thinking that Duke had OSU primed for the comeback if they kept banging them and cutting to the basket to pick up those fouls because OSU would have no bench...but as Kelly picked up fouls, I looked at the Duke bench and thought, "Who do we have that can really come in right now and give us a spark?"Thornton does his thing defensively...but where's the offense off the bench? Curry was running on gas and there weren't many options to go to...thankfully Sheed found his stroke and confidence. Kelly doesn't care where it is...if he feels it...he's shooting it. I liked how K had them just shooting in the second half. Everyone seemed to throw it at the basket more instead of looking for "their shot"...just put it up.I really can't express how much I really loved Cook's fire...even when everyone was looking exhausted and not ready for OSU's early and continued energy, Cook had a look of desire and passion that I like to see. No quit in the kid.
Yes. Temple will be fairly tough especially since they haven't lost too much from last year. But with Mason's emergence, I think they'll be able to take care of Temple.Assuming they can get through the rest of OOC play. They get two cupcakes to start ACC play before a tough game @NC State. Good thing for them is that it will still be fairly early for NC State and hopefully they are still figuring things out. But if they can get to NC State undefeated and win the ACC, they should have a 1 seed awaiting them.
I agree our bench is pretty bleak especially offensively but our starting 5 is pretty potent. Hopefully we use the next month to see what Amile/Alex can do. But while we might not have instant offense on the bench, Josh/TT do provide a bit of a spark with their hustle plays. Josh had a big basket tonight to keep the lead within reach and quell some momentum.
Agreed...Thornton ain't providing much else...but he does pick his spots. Relying on him all game would be a hindrance but he definitely can catch a guy in the second half with more effort and tenacity...but you're right, he does let someone get that step on him too often and he ends up fouling at times. But in this game, he provided much more than he detracted.
Yeah, this is pretty much nonsense in my opinion. He's had overachieving teams on a number of occasions, including two of the last three times UNC wasn't very highly regarded in preseason, 2005-2006 and 2010-2011. Even if this year's team underwhelms he'll still be batting .500 in low expectation seasons at UNC. And the "dominant point guard" thing is sort of a chicken and egg question. Nobody thought Kendall Marshall or Kirk Hinrich were all-world PGs until Roy got a hold of them. And I'm still not sure who the "dominant PG" was on some of those late 90s Kansas teams.If that is being a d-bag, then I'm sure plenty in here were guilty when Duke got spanked by OSU last year or when Duke lost to Lehigh. When your rival loses by 24 points on national TV, I would expect some ribbing. As far as my criticisms, I don't think they were that over the top and I'm sure people in here have given K crap about not producing NBA players or the oft used not producing post players. As far as adapting, I don't think I'm the only one who thinks Roy doesn't know how to use timeouts. I believe that many UNC fans feel that way too. But hey, if you guys don't care, maybe he can send some timeouts to Andy Reid for his last few games. As far as his adaptation with different teams, Roy has never really been able to succeed without that dominant PG. Paige looks like a freshmen and certainly he could develop but right now he doesn't seem to be the guy to push their fast break offense. When Roy has the pieces, there may not be anyone better with his offense but I would say that Coach K has shown an ability to win with different teams.
Nate Silver, uses Bayesian statistics, estimates that there is a 98.37% probability that this is true.
i can't remember this shot. do you remember any of the details (opponent, home/road, etc)?welcome aboard, fellow Duke fan! this is a pretty good group overall. mostly congenial. mostly astute. mostly fair-minded.
you're still good, at least until Maryland pays the exit fee.Am I still allowed to post here or am I tainted goods now?
Ah, my favorite Roy Williams hater!"Highly regarded" and "on the national radar" is not the same as "dominant." Not even close. That was the word the poster used that I responded to. That is clearly wrong. Nobody in their right mind would say that Kendall Marshall and Kirk Hinrich were considered "dominant" when they arrived on campus. Posters here- including the one who follows recruiting and high school ball the most- were questioning whether he could even be an effective starter in the ACC. Roy succeeded with them. Therefore, saying "Roy can't succeed without a dominant PG" is wrong.
Well you would know better than me about UNC. I was just trying to get into some dialogue about why UNC wasn't doing well and figured I'd get in some good ribbing. I don't buy this whole UNC inexperience thing. Perhaps it is just a few whiffs on recruits but they have a Senior, 2 Juniors, and 2 Sophomores (1 of which is supposed to be top 5 good) who haven't done much. I know Hairston picked up an injury but they have enough experience and on paper it appears they have enough talent. I don't really hate Roy Williams. I hate UNC, I'm more indifferent to Roy and if anything, Roy provides me so comic relief with his mismanagement of timeouts and his dressing up on Midnight Madness or all his "dadgum" pressers. As far as KM, he was highly regarded coming out like many recruits. There are few recruits who are considered elite as many do have questions but that doesn't mean he wasn't elite from the minute he stepped on the court. Certainly he still had/has a lot to learn but he fit right in with Roy's system which it seems Paige is struggling with.
Perhaps we should just pin this comment and as long as we all get to use this.
Can blame it on haters here but Chad Ford wasn't talking to posters here. He in discussion with GMs of the NBA wonder how much Williams develops the kids. GMs, not posters at FBGs. Guess GMs are William haters too.
If you don't buy it, I don't know what to tell you, because it's true. They don't have a lot of experience, that's just a fact. They have literally one player who played more than 50% of the team's total minutes last year (Bullock). Second place is McAdoo at 39%. Look through the KenPom Top 25, my guess is you won't find another team with so few returning minutes other than Kentucky. For sake of comparison, Duke returned 5 players who played more than 50% of the minutes in 2012. NC State returned 4.
Nope, can't blame that on the haters. Of course there's no actual opinion there from GMs, only that Ford discussed the subject with them, so I'm not sure what there is to blame on anyone. Any ACC fan can come up with a long list of talent that has developed or improved under Roy at UNC. We can start with three guys from just last year's draft. Or maybe everyone thought Kendall Marshall and Tyler Zeller would be drafted in the first 17 picks of an NBA draft when they got to UNC, and that Henson would eventually overcome his hands of stone and horrific offensive game to become a lottery guy and an NBA starter within his first month as a pro?Also, I would never call Ford a hater, but I might call you a hater for posting the same thing twice just because you didn't get the desired reaction from UNC fans the first time.
The senses, they are a tinglin'
Well Marshall and Zeller probably aren't the two best examples considering they got drafted pretty much in line with their high school recruiting numbers ( which for guys in their range is no small feet since a whole bunch of.guys below the top 15 never get a sniff of the NBA). Having said that, K gets accused of the same thing on occasion, but the hit rate on non-top 10 recruits for NBA purposes is exceedingly low. Pull up some of these past rankings and it's littered with guys you've never heard of (Duke and UNC calls these "failures" transfers), but the past 12-15 years has shown is that besides for some technical skills most of these kids are who they are by the time they are freshman.
Yeah. The whole line of reasoning is silly. The vast majority of draft picks over the last 10+ years are high school guys, one and dones and foreigners. The college coach's role is pretty limited. If you look only at guys who stay two or more years, Roy and K guys are probably just as successful in the NBA as anyone, if not more successful.
The "dominant" thing was a response to a point, not my point to make. The more basic, semantics-free point is that he doesn't need Ty Lawson (or Jacque Vaughn) to succeed.As far as Vaughn goes, I was in school during his Kansas years and not much of an NBA fan during most of his career. I'm pretty much useless when it comes to basketball around the turn of the millennium, unless it's the ACC. If it wasn't for the NBA thread discussions and other internet resources I'd know next to nothing about the Malone/Stockton Jazz or the Shaq/Kobe Lakers
MD's playing George Mason (w/Paul Hewitt coaching). Dez Wells has MD's 1st 8 points and looks like he can't be covered.
Great run...last two are out if order but point is the same.I love Duke's mix of talent and experience this year. We just gotta develop some of that bench more and hope those teams we beat don't find a way to get their young rosters to gel too much when we see them again.
Love that speech. No matter how many times I watch it I cry like a baby. Anyone that has had a friend/loved one/anybody they know die from cancer should see this speech.I don't think I've ever seen freshly-cut-down-nets as uniform trim before. That's fantastic.At the top of the hour, ESPN2 has something called "Jimmy V's ESPY Speech" scheduled to air. I'm going to run a stopwatch and see how I long I last until Valvano's courage and authenticity these three pounds of onions I'm going to chop make me.
Just an amazing speech all around. Valvano has such amazing energy throughout the whole speech... and then he finishes and you watch K and Vitale basically almost carry the guy back to his seat. Inspiring every time I see it.According to the official timepiece.. 1:46. Sometime during "If you laugh, you think, and you cry... that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're gonna have something special."ETA: Those onions must have had a ton of Propanethiol S-oxide.I don't think I've ever seen freshly-cut-down-nets as uniform trim before. That's fantastic.At the top of the hour, ESPN2 has something called "Jimmy V's ESPY Speech" scheduled to air. I'm going to run a stopwatch and see how I long I last until Valvano's courage and authenticity these three pounds of onions I'm going to chop make me
State managed to pull out the win so I was happy, and it being the Jimmy V classic made the win even better. 
