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[Reaper]

Brutal to watch all these Kid QB's succeed on offenses that weren't supposed to be as stacked as the Jets...

Then Minny on the fly goes for Bradford and looks better than advertised.

Wether you are a Fitz fan or a Geno fan, it's again on this front office and the whole way they handled it was abysmal starting with anointing Fitzpatrick before negotiating back in February.....

I see ppl saying stuff like "well they obviously don't value Geno much of they still go with Fitz".... To me that scares me, Between Drafting Petty/Hack (which I was ok with but, early results look bad) and IMO courting a QB like Fitz it makes me feel like we have a front office that is throwing darts at QB's....

Bottom line, you can be an awesome coach and staff but, Don't find that QB and it's over... And as Kidd said, Coaching all around isn't even looking good so.....

 

[NYRAGE]

I have not been happy with Bowles at all. No adjustments, team comes out flat, nothing. He just seemed like a good choice at first because he was the anti-Rex.

Anyway, I don't fault the team bringing back Fitz because he did pretty well last year (I think the receivers bailed him out time after time last year though) and the team loves him. We all know he's limited and it's a short-term move.

I was pissed/disappointed when we passed on Lynch for Lee. They must have loved Hack, but personally I'm hoping Petty can surprise. Looks like we're back to looking for a QB next season.

PS - Geno is a turd. A bad decision making with a surly attitude turd. He doesn't have the "it" factor. See if they can get a 7th round pick at the trade deadline to any team with QB issues.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Bowles will have to learn on the job, I hope he begins to show some emotion and some aggressiveness.

There were a few opportunities to go for it on 4th down early in some games this season for an attitude show me type stance.. he punted.

Patience is needed with him, but man NY is not the place for that.. the buzzards are circling.

 

[Da Guru]

Never understood the whole we have to have Fitz back campaign.  Every NFL team knew what Fitz is...a low level starter and a decent backup QB. Fitz was an UFA and no other team even contacted him.  There is a reason in a QB starved league that there was zero interest other than the Jets. Right now they need to develop one of their young guys on the roster and just release Fitz.

This is why players like Brandon Marshall are not GMs.

 

[TLEF316]

I've officially seen enough of Bowles. What a freaking #####. With the way that game has gone, punting down 11 with 7:30 to go is conceding the game, plain and simple. There was ZERO chance of the Jets getting a 3 and out and Pitt essentially got 2 first downs on 3 plays and iced the game.

Lots of injuries yadda yadda yadda but the guy is just not good. I'm done. I'm ready to start tanking for Watson.

 

[Kiddnets]

Totally agree.....I had a feeling the season could go this way with the tough schedule....but the way it has gone down is unacceptable.  I figure Bowles would have a mulligan missing the playoffs this year but this team is an embarrassment starting at the top down.....he is completely out coached...has zero emotion....makes zero adjustments and is conservative to a fault.  I fully expect to be 1-5 after next week....even with the schedule loosening up they are realistically looking at a 6-7 win season at best which is unacceptable.....and the wheels could easily come off and we are looking at 4-12.  If that's the way it goes they should put in Petty immediately and see what happens....if he tanks at least they get a top pick to maybe finally find that QB.   What a disaster 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No pass rush today, and the secondary was a disaster. 

 

[NYRAGE]

Bowles has to go. It was cool when he was the anti-Rex at first, but I'm not sure there is a pulse in there plus his over-conservatism reeks of a loser attitude. I don't know what the hell he was thinking when he decided to punt in the 4th quarter. With all that talent on d-line, we can't even get near the QB after 7 sacks in the first game. Plus that secondary is a disaster.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don't understand Bowles sticking with Fitzpatrick at this point. I think the team has to see what they have in Petty for the rest of the season and maybe even get Hackenberg in there for Wee16/17.  Maybe they are waiting for after the Ravens game to stick a youngster in against Cleveland.

And hopefully those calling for Geno saw that he can't be counted on and is a waste of time after what he did upon entering he game last night. But to be honest, I'd even prefer to see him in the game over Fitz at this point.

The defense has totally fallen off a cliff. I'm not sure how that happened - but we can't blame this all on a tough schedule. The defense and the QB play has been terrible.

 

[fightingillini]

I don't understand Bowles sticking with Fitzpatrick at this point. I think the team has to see what they have in Petty for the rest of the season and maybe even get Hackenberg in there for Wee16/17.  Maybe they are waiting for after the Ravens game to stick a youngster in against Cleveland.

And hopefully those calling for Geno saw that he can't be counted on and is a waste of time after what he did upon entering he game last night. But to be honest, I'd even prefer to see him in the game over Fitz at this point.

The defense has totally fallen off a cliff. I'm not sure how that happened - but we can't blame this all on a tough schedule. The defense and the QB play has been terrible.

It's pretty difficult for the defense when Fitzpatrick continues to a) throw picks and b) can't sustain drives.  AZ had the ball for most of the game last night.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's pretty difficult for the defense when Fitzpatrick continues to a) throw picks and b) can't sustain drives.  AZ had the ball for most of the game last night.

Well, I agree to some extent - but they've been really bad in their own right as well. The secondary particularly has been dreadful and for some reason the pass rush has been non-existent. They are still solid against the run for the most part. Actually last night was one of their better showings, and it still wasn't very good comparatively to expectations.

 

[Reaper]

I WANT all the Bearded MF, T-Shirt buying - Rainbow worshipping Jet fans to see a 17 Million Dollar Journeyman QB wallow in his own Pig ####

To me, it's a step back year anyway... Schedule goes from easiest to toughest. Accumulate Compensatory picks, lock up a top 5 Draft pick and regroup in 17'

LOL....

Absolutely nothing for me changed from Page 1..... Except I was willing to toss even more for entertainment IF the total cost was contained this year and we can move on.... Jets paid less than 16-17 Mill BUT, had to spread it and have 5 Mill on books next year... For NOTHING

Of course 16-17 Million was also kinda tongue in cheek mocking 

Could they have improved the OL with that 12 Million??  

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Bowles has to go. It was cool when he was the anti-Rex at first, but I'm not sure there is a pulse in there plus his over-conservatism reeks of a loser attitude. I don't know what the hell he was thinking when he decided to punt in the 4th quarter. With all that talent on d-line, we can't even get near the QB after 7 sacks in the first game. Plus that secondary is a disaster.

Hes a younger jim caldwell.

Fitzpat looks like he dont give a ####. Got paid. Now he chills

 

[Reaper]

Fitzpat looks like he dont give a ####. Got paid. Now he chills

He actually admits he didn't work out / train much...Tossed a little with his Brother in law.. At least Geno was at QB camps and working with Tom House in addition to working out with team / Camp

I mean Fitz said "If I don't win this year with this team, i doubt it ever Happens"..... To me, that's like Rocky going in to the fight of your life... That means this is it, lay it all on the line, you gotta be in the best shape of your life and you gotta be studying opponents and tape nonstop....

Unfathomable to me how a Pro Athlete - A smart one (no doubt) - entering THE defining year of your career does so little and care so little...

They showed how Palmer worked out with VR equipment this offseason - I mean WTF was this guy doing other than ripping off the Jets

Yeah there was a chance he signs with another team but, man WORK OUT - guy came in with a gutt...

People really got duped by last year's schedule.... Man.

 

[NYRAGE]

I wasn't against bringing Fitz back, but I was against him getting that contract. We have no future with this guy.

Geno is a surly punk that also sucks. We saw both in full display last night. We need to cut him.

It's time to let Petty play.

Our softer part of the schedule is coming up....just in time to ruin our draft position. Not that it ultimately matters if we keep going defense. I wanted Lynch over Lee . Even the Browns got a decent player in Kessler. We can't even get our drafted QBs on the field. Next year, we'll probably go CB or something disappointing again.  It would be nice to address the oline. I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick that football.

 

[TLEF316]

Its shocking how bad they are. Its like the perfect storm of awfulness....

- very tough schedule

- Injuries in key spots

-Revis regressing/injured. Same with Marshall.

-Skrine turning into a PI machine

-a D-line with 3 all-pro caliber talents somehow getting ZERO pressure since the first half of week 1

- Awful coaching by Bowles

And of course, the play of Fitzpatrick. I was actually glad to see Geno come in last night. At least he released the ball in the amount of time for a normal NFL QB. Sick and tired of watching Fitzpatrick stare down Marshall, take his 4 second long wind up and then try to force the ball into a space that he has no business throwing into.

They need to spend the next 2 weeks getting Petty as many practice reps as possible and prepare him to play starting against Cleveland.  Time to see what you have there before April rolls around and you're staring a top 5 pick in the face. In an ideal world, we'd see something from Hackenberg as well, but based on what I saw in the pre-season (and how few reps he has gotten as the 4th stringer) I think that would be counter intuitive.

Other than 5 or 6 guys plus the rookies, everyone should be available (or potentially cut)  this off-season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Well, it looks like Geno gets the start this week. Hope he proves me wrong, although with him being a free agent at season's end that just may create all new headaches for the team.

So what does happen if Geno looks good? Do they even attempt to sign him? It's such a weird dynamic. It would almost make more sense just to release him and let Petty take over.

I'll pull for the guy though - in many ways he was given a bad deal here and he does deserve his one last chance.

 

[BoltBacker]

Well, it looks like Geno gets the start this week. Hope he proves me wrong, although with him being a free agent at season's end that just may create all new headaches for the team.

I have to eat a great deal of crow. In my opinion a healthy Fitz in that offense would never sit for Geno..... but here we are. The Decker injury was a big part of that because Fitz needs receivers that are physical and can fight for the ball, but that's still no excuse for just how poorly he played. 

Even with the tough schedule I thought they would be fighting for .500 at this point in the season. Marshall and Revis also just don't look like the same guys. I guess this team is further from contending for the playoffs than I thought. Still can't believe they are three full games back of BUF.

 

[NYRAGE]

Well, it looks like Geno gets the start this week. Hope he proves me wrong, although with him being a free agent at season's end that just may create all new headaches for the team.

So what does happen if Geno looks good? Do they even attempt to sign him? It's such a weird dynamic. It would almost make more sense just to release him and let Petty take over.

I'll pull for the guy though - in many ways he was given a bad deal here and he does deserve his one last chance.

I don't think we have to worry about that. In one drive, he was oblivious to the pass rush as usual and fumbled. When we recovered the fumble, he promptly threw an INT. Same old Geno.

 

[Kiddnets]

What a disaster - the only good thing from Geno starting is maybe they lose out and get the top pick.  He is that bad. 

Of course - Jet luck kicks in and it looks like Flacco may not play....I fully expect 4-5 meaningless ugly wins that will take them out of the top 10.  

I'm willing to give Mac another chance - the front office needs stability- Bowles should go though....he has looked completely incompetent and overmatched this entire season....I hate changing coaches so much but at this point unless there is a ridiculous turnaround im not sure how they could bring him back....

I also am sick of new defensive coordinator coaches...it's an offensive league and focusing all these coaches and 1st rd picks on defense has gotten them nowhere....time to hire an offensive coach.  I'd prefer one who has already been a HC (like McDaniels - though no way he'd take the job).....

Future is putrid for green and white - team is old....the youth and picks/$ on the D Line is proving a waste.....offensive line falling apart after being an anchor for yrs....2d rd QB not even being discussed as an option....I can't recall being so hopeless...please show me some positives.....

 

[mphtrilogy]

there are no positives.

This is a dumpster fire.

Back to tank mode, and its only week 7.. 

 

[NYRAGE]

We can't even tank correctly.  You know we'll win some games to end up in the bottom ten or middle of the round.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don't like to be a "doom and gloom" type fan but I have to agree things look bleak. The roster is old and it isn't winning. Bowles does look overmatched but changing coaches again means we start the cycle all over again. We have no idea if we have a franchise QB (and it honestly looks like we do not).

I've joked with my friends about this already, but I truly expect that the starting quarterback next year will be.......Jay Cutler. I do think he and Marshall were feuding before Marshall was traded so that may be the one thing that keeps it from happening.

 

[Reaper]

I don't like to be a "doom and gloom" type fan but I have to agree things look bleak. The roster is old and it isn't winning. Bowles does look overmatched but changing coaches again means we start the cycle all over again. We have no idea if we have a franchise QB (and it honestly looks like we do not).

I've joked with my friends about this already, but I truly expect that the starting quarterback next year will be.......Jay Cutler. I do think he and Marshall were feuding before Marshall was traded so that may be the one thing that keeps it from happening.

Well, being this is everything I expected, I'm already tip toeing back from

To me, it's a step back year anyway... Schedule goes from easiest to toughest. Accumulate Compensatory picks, lock up a top 5 Draft pick and regroup in 17'

- Back to the Darkside.

THE thing that we can lay hope on is that the Team is not that strapped with Salaries they can't get out from...

So, like always we'll be back to 1) Find a QB   2) String Great Drafts together.

I mean, We've seen worse.  

I have to still have some faith that this GM can draft and find talent - he seemed to do well with WR's. - The DL should be stacked.

You also have to have faith that Bowles can fix the Secondary - I mean if he can't do that?????  

 

[NYRAGE]

I would love to know how we go from 7 sacks in week one without Richardson to 5 in the 5 games since. Wtf???

 

[Kiddnets]

In my never ending search for any positive - at least the cap situation isnt awful.....dumping Clady, Harris, Gilchrist, Breno and Folk should put them $20M under the cap next yr....of course that doesnt make the team better per se as they would have to replace them all...the big drop is 2018 where they are $80M under the cap - however its a bare bones team without MArshall, Sheldon, Decker - Revis could be cut in 2018 as well at a $8M savings....

It's time to rebuild.....a real rebuild not a half assed Woody trying to sell tickets with over the hill players...I dont think they have ever done this....everyone says NY fans are not patient but look at how excited the kids energized the yankee base....it's time to knock it down and rebuild....so realistically and hopefully - keep Mac...fire Bowles and let him pick an offensive coach...they tank the rest of the year to get a top 5 pick and grab a possible franchise QB....spend 2017 reloading and developing young players...have another crappy season in 2017 with a top 10 pick but young players continue to develop....and in 2018 just as Brady likely hangs it up or age has to set in (doesnt it???) go all in with a ton of cap room...QB and young core.  A 2 year turnaround if done right in exchange for a 10 yr run....

I am very afraid that Woody does not believe in this but it's time.....I think the fans are ready to support a young rebuild done right....I can't believe I have 6 home games left to go to and the season is over....I'd rather see all the youngsters play now as well...including Hack...if he can't play in a lost season whats the point....it better be Geno for 1-2 wks max then Petty for a few and Hack the last 2....should ensure a top 5 pick if they do it right without formally tanking.  

I'm still depressed....

 

[mphtrilogy]

In my never ending search for any positive - at least the cap situation isnt awful.....dumping Clady, Harris, Gilchrist, Breno and Folk should put them $20M under the cap next yr....of course that doesnt make the team better per se as they would have to replace them all...the big drop is 2018 where they are $80M under the cap - however its a bare bones team without MArshall, Sheldon, Decker - Revis could be cut in 2018 as well at a $8M savings....

It's time to rebuild.....a real rebuild not a half assed Woody trying to sell tickets with over the hill players...I dont think they have ever done this....everyone says NY fans are not patient but look at how excited the kids energized the yankee base....it's time to knock it down and rebuild....so realistically and hopefully - keep Mac...fire Bowles and let him pick an offensive coach...they tank the rest of the year to get a top 5 pick and grab a possible franchise QB....spend 2017 reloading and developing young players...have another crappy season in 2017 with a top 10 pick but young players continue to develop....and in 2018 just as Brady likely hangs it up or age has to set in (doesnt it???) go all in with a ton of cap room...QB and young core.  A 2 year turnaround if done right in exchange for a 10 yr run....

I am very afraid that Woody does not believe in this but it's time.....I think the fans are ready to support a young rebuild done right....I can't believe I have 6 home games left to go to and the season is over....I'd rather see all the youngsters play now as well...including Hack...if he can't play in a lost season whats the point....it better be Geno for 1-2 wks max then Petty for a few and Hack the last 2....should ensure a top 5 pick if they do it right without formally tanking.  

I'm still depressed....

sorry you have that sunk cost man, I am going to have trouble watching from home with geno in, I can't imagine going to any of these games.  Stubhub is your friend.

best hope now is we get Petty in sooner than later.  We see if we have something with Robbie and Marshall, and jenkins at TE, work some practice squad rbs in and maybe we can move forte, he'd be a great Fit in GB.

Defensively lets see what we have in some of those young corners, they should def get plenty of action.

Another burnt year...

 

[Reaper]

Saw this tweet that also makes sense

Corey Griffin ‏@CoreyGriffinNBC  19h19 hours ago
Corey Griffin Retweeted Chez Leite

Cut: Fitz, Revis, Gilchrist, Harris, Breno, Henderson, Jenkins, Forte, McLendon Trade: Clady, Marshall, Sheldon. Re-sign: Winters
A key Trade would help... Shocked no one would offer something For Wilkerson this offseason.

One of the Cardinal Rules should be:  NEVER spend on Big $  FA's until you are certainly a contender. 

That said, I never bring Revis back.

Letting Kids sink or swim allows them to develop AND gets you better draft picks - Tanking is such a bad term, lol.

At least we're past this Fitzmagic Crap... 

 

[Reaper]

sorry you have that sunk cost man, I am going to have trouble watching from home with geno in, I can't imagine going to any of these games.  Stubhub is your friend.

Hey that said.... I'm going Sunday if anyone is selling.

The Irony on my part is I can go to the game since my Kid's Softball team is 0-8 And not making the playoffs either.

* Odd thing is - I don't see ticket prices crashing - Maybe there's still some Geno fans / a little hope for miracle then they crash next game? Maybe Ravens fans are too close and buying them up?

I'm kicking myself b/c I was outbid for 3 Tickets in Sec 129 row 8 for $75 each last night on ebay.

 

[Kiddnets]

exactly what I feared - team played well enough to beat another struggling team....but still has huge issues.....Jets are going to end up with 6-8 wins and be picking in the late teens early 20's...can't even lose right.   

Geno looked like Geno....only great play was Enuwa taking it to the house.  

Biggest concern was Fitz spouting off about the team, mgt and ownership losing faith in him....is he delusional?  He was the worst QB in the league and he didnt win the game yesterday....If Geno is not ready I'd bench him now and put in Petty....Bowles needs to get control of this team quick!  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

exactly what I feared - team played well enough to beat another struggling team....but still has huge issues.....Jets are going to end up with 6-8 wins and be picking in the late teens early 20's...can't even lose right.   

Geno looked like Geno....only great play was Enuwa taking it to the house.  

Biggest concern was Fitz spouting off about the team, mgt and ownership losing faith in him....is he delusional?  He was the worst QB in the league and he didnt win the game yesterday....If Geno is not ready I'd bench him now and put in Petty....Bowles needs to get control of this team quick!  

Yeah that was bizarre. I mean I understand that these guys have to believe in themselves, but there was a much more subtle way he could get that across without sounding like a jerk. I mean it wasn't like he even played all that great yesterday. He was adequate. Forte carried the offense on his back.

And I agree Geno, was basically Geno and showed nothing (in a limited sample size) - the Enunwa play was all Enunwa - any QB completes that pass and he looked like the first read. I would still give him another chance next week, but if he's anything less than great (against that defense) they have to turn it over to Petty. Hopefully they don't fool themselves after a tight win against a decimated Ravens' team and think there's still a chance in 2016.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Geno Smith's knee injury is believed to be a torn ACL.

 

 
 
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

 

[zamboni]

 

I wish the guy well, but not sure how I feel about this as a fan.

This year is clearly it for Fitz, and at some point Petty and/or Hackenberg should get a long look. But with the Browns, Dolphins and Rams up next, the Jets might actually have a chance at reeling off three more in a row and give that false sense of security. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wish the guy well, but not sure how I feel about this as a fan.

This year is clearly it for Fitz, and at some point Petty and/or Hackenberg should get a long look. But with the Browns, Dolphins and Rams up next, the Jets might actually have a chance at reeling off three more in a row and give that false sense of security. 

Those are certainly 3 winnable games, and also good matchups for the Jets D as none of the three have very good passing games and rely (or should) on the run. The Jets have stopped the run against everyone except for Arizona. None of the three have exceptional defenses either, so conceivably the Jets offense could do enough to win.

That would put the Jets at 5-5, which as you said could give them a false sense of being back in the mix heading into their bye week. 

Following the bye they then would have (in order) the Pats; Colts, SF, Miami, Pats, Bills - which looks like 8-8 or 7-9 to me. The worst part is they could drag the "playoff chase" out all the way to that second Pats game which as you said gives them no chance to take a look at Petty.

As much as I can't really do it when I watch the games, the team would be far better off having Fitzpatrick look as bad as he did the last few weeks than to play as "adequately" as he did in relief of Geno on Sunday. A 7-9 or 8-8 season with Fitzpatrick playing until Week 16 would be a true disaster. 

 

[Kiddnets]

I wish the guy well, but not sure how I feel about this as a fan.

This year is clearly it for Fitz, and at some point Petty and/or Hackenberg should get a long look. But with the Browns, Dolphins and Rams up next, the Jets might actually have a chance at reeling off three more in a row and give that false sense of security. 

Geno has a black cloud hanging over him - I dont like to see anyone hurt but it is what it is and time to move on

Fitz now gets the reigns and they'll make a run...I have no doubt they'll win 3 in a row...get all pumped up for the prime time showdown vs the Pats and even find a way to win that at home.....they'll beat the Colts at home..and the 49ers away....

they'll be 8-5, the hottest team in the league and thats when the bottom will fall out....they'll lose an unbelievable game to the Fins at home....get crushed by the Pats away....then with playoffs on the line if they go 9-7 they'll have an awful loss to Rex's Bills at home that will rip the heart out of fans again.....no playoffs, no high draft pick.....no QB or youth development.  I've sen this movie too many times.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The worst part of the potential run for the playoffs is that they already lost to Cincinnati, KC and Pittsburgh, all teams they will be competing with for a playoff slot.

 

[TLEF316]

Yup. A win is a loss at this point. There's no way they're making it as a wild card. 

Don't see  how they possibly even compete with new England. The Jets can't stop anybody from completing short passes. Brady will dink and dunk them to death and then hit gronk up the seam the moment the Jets sell out . 

Hate that we won yesterday. Fitz mouthing off afterwards was just the icing on the cake

 

[zamboni]

The worst part of the potential run for the playoffs is that they already lost to Cincinnati, KC and Pittsburgh, all teams they will be competing with for a playoff slot.

There's the big key right there. Even if they go on a huge run (unlikely), they dug themselves a hole early with those bad losses. The Cincy game right off the bat killed them.

 

[Reaper]

LOL.. you guys dug in till the end..... Geno Showed nothing - yet the offense moved better than it has and had 2 Horrible drops. PFF rating was pretty good for whatever that was worth...  Looked like a spark to me but, Congrats....

Hopefully Jets fans move on from hating a young player so much.

In QB years, Geno is such a young Pup that Fitz did absolutely nothing at this point in his career... Nothing. 

Never guaranteed anything for Geno - Developing QB's is one of the biggest crapshoots in sports especially without Support.

I'll forever root for the kid tho - Worked his ### off every offseason while Fitz played with his kids.

He'll get another shot, will be interesting when and where....   Looking Back Sanchez got some of the greatest shots you can hope for with Chip then the World Champs....  Geno should wish for that kinda chance... 

At this point, I'm here to see the young QB's get a chance - Watching Fitz Ball out Vs Cleveland will only be salt on the wound. He's 0-28 Vs playoff teams on the road Yet has a career built on beating Cleveland's on the road. Wouldn't be surprised to see +300 Yards and 3 Td's.... or 4 Picks and 75 yards... What Ever.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

LOL.. you guys dug in till the end..... Geno Showed nothing - yet the offense moved better than it has and had 2 Horrible drops. PFF rating was pretty good for whatever that was worth...  Looked like a spark to me but, Congrats....

Hopefully Jets fans move on from hating a young player so much.

Your reading comprehension isn't very good or you're so blinded by your thoughts that everyone hates Geno (for no reason) that you don't see what was actually written.

He did not play well and there really was no spark (unless you count what Enunwa did all on his own). He was as inaccurate as ever. Was he terrible? No. I clearly said it was a limited sample size though and would give him another chance (before I knew about the ACL tear). I also said Fitz didn't look any better and it was Forte that carried the offense.

I don't hate Geno at all - I just don't think he has what it takes to be an NFL QB and the "young" excuse is starting to get "old" (since this would be his fourth NFL season). I was actually a little excited to see him get a chance when Fitz was playing hardball and I didn't want the Jets to cave during the offseason (see this thread and the Fitz thread) - but in his two appearances this season he looked the same as always (again a limited sample size, but an interception and fumble in the Arizona game and a mediocre performance against a beat up Ravens defense).

If he goes on to find success elsewhere I'll be happy for him, but frankly it would surprise me. I've been wrong plenty of times though so who knows. Speaking of Sanchez' opportunities, I do think a Chip Kelly offense would suit Geno's skillset well and it wouldn't shock me as much if he succeeded there if he went to SF. I actually said the same in the Eagles thread when they asked about during last season when Kelly was still there.

 

[WheelsUp]

Fitz needs to be the QB, Petty wont be any better.
We still have a chance, a chance to finish 7-9.

 

[Kiddnets]

I'll admit Geno never got a real shot with good players around him - but that was due to injuries....when he did play he looked very mediocre and even poor at best....but he lost me last offseason.  

Name one QB in NFL history that was punched in the face....by his own team mate....over money....and from what I read not one of his other team mates rushed to his defense....

not the kind of leader I'd want on my team...hopefully the kid matures and takes advantage of another chance down the line.    

 

[Reaper]

Your reading comprehension isn't very good or you're so blinded by your thoughts that everyone hates Geno (for no reason) that you don't see what was actually written.

I don't hate Geno at all

That comment wasn't directed at you.... Just in general - to see a guy get Boo'd at practices. The Media assaults... Boo'd at any mistake - you would think he was an alleged rapist or murderer or one of many other things NFL Stars are alleged or convicted of..... fans mostly acknowledge the crap situation of those 13' 14 teams but, don't want to budge an inch on not blaming the QB....  We forget - that 13' Offense sucked - the 14' team was basically John Idziks tank year that hung Rex out to dry...Deck was injured most of the year. the 15' team Spent $$$$$$$ and had healthy Decker/ Marshall - huge differences

That said - the Chapter is closed - Hopefully Petty or Hack get a better shot. Imagine one of those 2 guys having to play on that 13' Team tho...

The faster Fitzpatrick is off the field the better - No reason for him to beat up on some weak teams now.

While I'm a fan of QB's waiting, it has been 1.5 years for Petty now...... 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That comment wasn't directed at you.... Just in general - to see a guy get Boo'd at practices. The Media assaults... Boo'd at any mistake - you would think he was an alleged rapist or murderer or one of many other things NFL Stars are alleged or convicted of..... fans mostly acknowledge the crap situation of those 13' 14 teams but, don't want to budge an inch on not blaming the QB....  We forget - that 13' Offense sucked - the 14' team was basically John Idziks tank year that hung Rex out to dry...Deck was injured most of the year. the 15' team Spent $$$$$$$ and had healthy Decker/ Marshall - huge differences

That said - the Chapter is closed - Hopefully Petty or Hack get a better shot. Imagine one of those 2 guys having to play on that 13' Team tho...

The faster Fitzpatrick is off the field the better - No reason for him to beat up on some weak teams now.

While I'm a fan of QB's waiting, it has been 1.5 years for Petty now...... 

Yeah, fans boo. That's what they do. Was it all fair - probably not. Personally I think the only times I've ever booed at a game was due to conservative play calling.

I'll admit Geno has some cards stacked against him - but many of his mistakes were mental and he's still making the. He has a great skill set though and could put it all together. Who knows?

I absolutely agree that Fitzpatrick needs to be taken off the field - I seriously hope they don't stick with him after beating up some bad teams thinking they have a shot -  because realistically they do not. I'd be excited to see Petty who really impressed me this preseason. Will that carry over? It would be great but he'll obviously be facing better players and better schemes.

 

[Fariq]

If Petty cannot play, then he should not dress for the Browns game. If he can play, he should start. In typical Jets fashion, it sounds like a third option may happen- he will dress but not be available to play. 

 

[Reaper]

All that was going thru my mind.... And you seriously have to wonder.

Are the NY Jets in better long term shape than the Cleveland Browns.

Uggh.

 

[TLEF316]

All that was going thru my mind.... And you seriously have to wonder.

Are the NY Jets in better long term shape than the Cleveland Browns.

Uggh.

Neither one has a QB, so in my mind, they're in the same place. Irrelevant.

And even if they got a young franchise QB next year, the pieces around him aren't good enough. The O-line is old/terrible (Mangold, Clady and Giacomini will all be gone by opening day 2018, if not sooner), the WR's other than Enunwa are old, they'll need new RB's and have no TE.  The defense has one decent unit (the DL)  and even they haven't performed up to expectations (plus Richardson will likely be allowed to walk). Secondary needs a total rebuild and the linebacking core has nothing (although Lee has shown some flashes).

Still really depressing.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

All that was going thru my mind.... And you seriously have to wonder.

Are the NY Jets in better long term shape than the Cleveland Browns.

Uggh.

Sadly, not really.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

the WR's other than Enunwa are old,

I agree with everything except for this. I think they are in pretty good shape at WR with Decker (who isn't that old), Enunwa, Charone Peake, Jalin Marshall and Robbie Anderson. I think they need to get Petty in there so he can develop some chemistry with them.

I know this never really happens in the NFL, but it would be great if they could move Forte, Brandon Marshall, Sheldon Richardson and maybe even Mangold before the trade deadline. Of course even if trades did happen in the NFL, the team doesn't seem willing to admit that they have no shot at the playoffs this season.

 

[TLEF316]

I agree with everything except for this. I think they are in pretty good shape at WR with Decker (who isn't that old), Enunwa, Charone Peake, Jalin Marshall and Robbie Anderson. I think they need to get Petty in there so he can develop some chemistry with them.

I know this never really happens in the NFL, but it would be great if they could move Forte, Brandon Marshall, Sheldon Richardson and maybe even Mangold before the trade deadline. Of course even if trades did happen in the NFL, the team doesn't seem willing to admit that they have no shot at the playoffs this season.

Well, yeah, I guess those guys are young. But I don't think any of them have shown very much. There's some talent, but are any of those guys guaranteed starting caliber players? (other than Enunwa) They all have traits that make them intriguing but have noticeable flaws as well.  There's reasons they were drafted very low/undrafted.

Marshall's athleticism stands out, (with his potential as a slot guy)  but he's reckless with the ball. When an athlete like that from one of the most high-profile programs in the nation goes undrafted, there's clearly a problem.

Peake and Anderson are learning on the job and its certainly too early to write them off.

I agree that Petty should be in there soon. Hate that the Jets bye is so late this year and its frustrating that they now have 2 more possibly winnable games coming up. With Miami, St. Louis, the BYE and then the Pats coming in, I'd be shocked if they play Petty. If the Pats game came before the bye (which would likely mean 4-6 at best going into it) they could fully acknowledge the situation and have 2 weeks to prep Petty.