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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (4 Viewers)

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On a side note, I found this stat interesting: The Lakers are shooting 20.8% on corner 3's.

There are 5 teams in the league shooting over 50% and 14 teams shooting over 40% with a league average of 39.8%. That seems ungood.


Malik Monk, Wayne Ellington and Melo fell off the roster and won't be back.

Thomas Bryant and Damian Jones are kind of pointless in a way, because LeBron James' best position at this point is center. He just refuses to play wing defense anymore. It's actually pathetic how little he cares about defense. This is just a really bad roster. Nothing fits together.

Pelinka because he was cap locked, had no choice but to rely on Max Christie and Cole Swider for a rookie breakout for floor spacing that is unlikely.

Swider is the key to opening up the floor. But he can't play defense and he can't play center. Swider is Steve Novak if you had Novak's mobility after being hit by a truck. The defense isn't good enough to hide Swider. And it's insane to rely on a rookie to be your best chance at floor spacing and gravity.

Something to consider is asking yourself what is the worst 3 And D wing in the entire league, that could reasonably start for the Lakers. Once you assess it as such, then you start to see the team has no established length, youth, defense and three point shooting on the wing.

They have to trade Anthony Davis. That's their only pathway to getting some help. Even trading the 2027 and 2029 first round picks, even both unprotected, won't move the needle.

If I was Pelinka, I'd offer Davis for Klay Thompson and James Wiseman, and try to find a third team to eat Kendrick Nunn's salary whole to make the money work.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b5g7ha4
 
Onyeka Okongwu, C, Atlanta Hawks ( This season he makes 6.4 million)

This is likely the year that Okongwu overtakes Clint Capela as the starter and getting the lionshare of the available pivot minutes. His PER36 is 14/10 for consistent clean double doubles plus 2.5 blocks a game. Capela is making 19 million this year, and 21 and 23 the next several years. It won't be easy to trade him, but he's useful, albeit overpaid, he's not a completely toxic contract. But a Capela trade needs to happen to clear minutes for Okongwu.

Highlights #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zMlQFAhOm0

Playoff Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPUxWRIKjaY
 
Kennedy Chandler, PG, Memphis Grizzlies ( This season will make 1.2 million)

This rookie screams near term breakout. He fell to the 2nd round mostly because of his size. But this is a very smart player with good court vision, that will do tons of damage off the ball. Understands space and how to exploit it. He can't create his own shot and has limitations off the dribble, but he knows how to find daylight and if you give him just a sliver of it, he'll punish you from range. Confident measured floor general that can dictate pace and throttle game flow. Innate ability to read a defense, extremely advanced for his age and experience. Long range shooting will translate. Nice bag of tricks in his arsenal, not at the level of a Goran Dragic but extremely varied for someone this young, which bodes well for his practical game speed situational awareness.

There's just too much damn depth on the Grizzlies. Rich Cho wanted this kid and Memphis just knows how to mine the 2nd round / UDFA tier.

Pure assassin mentality. Very hard not to root for this kind of player. Huge second half upside if the injury bug starts to pare down Memphis' depth.


Scouting Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpbdEeKNqk

Summer League Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKqRwrdq0xg

SEC Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTQ9cWhONsA
 
And it looks like Ime Udoka is the frontrunner for the job. Jesus :lmao:
Will the Celtics get compensation?
I am sure if they wanted, they could. However if they let him go and he goes to the Nets they are off the hook for his salary.

Seems weird that a suspended coach, for not totally known reasons, but likely very ugly, can just go get another job and everyone is fine with it
 
And it looks like Ime Udoka is the frontrunner for the job. Jesus :lmao:
Will the Celtics get compensation?
I am sure if they wanted, they could. However if they let him go and he goes to the Nets they are off the hook for his salary.

Seems weird that a suspended coach, for not totally known reasons, but likely very ugly, can just go get another job and everyone is fine with it
Yea, that is what I am thinking. It is a team suspension, but feels wrong.
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.

Maybe once the Nets hire him, somehow the whole report and backup gets leaked . . . .
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
Cliffs notes , if you don't mind, of what this guy did?

(I was in a big trial over the time period this went down and couldn't keep up with it)
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
Cliffs notes , if you don't mind, of what this guy did?

(I was in a big trial over the time period this went down and couldn't keep up with it)
Everything I've seen is pure speculation and with all of the noise, it is tough to know what is true and what isn't. There were a lot of rumors of sexual misconduct, sexual harassment and infidelity with other staff members. Everything from sleeping with executive's wives to jerking off in the locker room to unwanted advances with female staff. No legal charges or official releases of information ever came about.

Whatever it was, it was bad enough that the Celtics weren't going to let him near the team this season and likely forever.
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
Cliffs notes , if you don't mind, of what this guy did?

(I was in a big trial over the time period this went down and couldn't keep up with it)
Everything I've seen is pure speculation and with all of the noise, it is tough to know what is true and what isn't. There were a lot of rumors of sexual misconduct, sexual harassment and infidelity with other staff members. Everything from sleeping with executive's wives to jerking off in the locker room to unwanted advances with female staff. No legal charges or official releases of information ever came about.

Whatever it was, it was bad enough that the Celtics weren't going to let him near the team this season and likely forever.
Thanks. Wasn't sure if any specifics had been released.

A quick google search produces little more than just "sent inappropriate and unwanted communications to a female subordinate employee that he had a non-work relationship with."
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
Cliffs notes , if you don't mind, of what this guy did?

(I was in a big trial over the time period this went down and couldn't keep up with it)
@Capella I realize now that the first words of your post was "all I know about..." so my bad for asking for my information from you as my reading comprehension clearly failed. :lmao:
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
Cliffs notes , if you don't mind, of what this guy did?

(I was in a big trial over the time period this went down and couldn't keep up with it)
@Capella I realize now that the first words of your post was "all I know about..." so my bad for asking for my information from you as my reading comprehension clearly failed. :lmao:
@Anarchy99 is on top of Boston sports but a lot of info wasn’t really released as far as I know.
 
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....can this guy get hired in the middle of serving his suspension that was levied by Boston?

If a head coach is suspended by his "current franchise", that's a team suspension, not a league suspension.

NBA coaches do not have collective bargaining nor a real functional "union", because they garner no "service time" for a league pension/retirement benefits/medical benefits like the players do.

If you are put on paid suspension by your private sector company today, there's nothing stopping you from being hired by the immediate private sector rival to that company. When a player under contract in the NBA shifts from one team to another based on previously owed money, there is an "offset" built into the language of the CBA.

If an NBA team signs Kemba Walker today to a veterans minimum contract ( technically the "Designated Veteran's Minimum Exception") , the Pistons, his last team, is off the hook for a prorated portion of that minimum contract against what they technically owe him. In pure cash. Because Walker's rights are governed by a CBA that has to account for his service time and to regulate the league wide salary system and it's "soft cap"

The league has no such rights with coaches. Udoka had a guaranteed contract with the Celtics, but did not forfeit his entire year long salary in the suspension. The reason for this is that while there may have been full justification in Udoka's individual contract with the Celtics, the League HQ and Adam Silver do not want to give all coaches an incentive to group together and attempt to start collective bargaining on their own. ( The coaches in the NBA have a "union" in name only. It only has advisory powers with coaches and only acts as a nuisance type liason for the league administration. Taking away Udoka's full year pay raises questions if fired coaches are going to get their money in owed years on their contracts, or if teams will just create phantom conditions to not pay them, kind of like what Al Davis did to many of his old coaches like Shanahan Sr. Hence why it didn't happen )

Can Adam Silver, as current NBA commissioner, suspend any active coach in the NBA? Yes, but that has to happen under the entire league's "code of conduct" agreement with anyone who is employed under the NBA banner. That's different than the individual code of conduct language within Udoka's contract with the Celtics. The standards for the league code of conduct are much more broad and leave more room for ambiguity and a potential law suit. And coaches, unlike players, do not have an additional code of conduct type language in an active CBA.

I'm not getting into what Udoka allegedly did or did not do. That's leaning into a "political discussion" Silver and NBA's legal team might have believed they didn't have enough cause under the league's banner for a league suspension. Or wanted to leave this up to the team itself otherwise. Whether or not Silver and the league HQ feel one way or another about Udoka is independent of the contractual / legal realities of the situation. This is still a core logistical process issue, not just one dealing with league public relations and fan retention.

I've covered the basic practical mechanics here and I'll leave it there.
 
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl , PF/C, Oklahoma City Thunder ( This season he will be making 2 million)

Villanova is an NBA factory. They churn out extremely fundamental quality players for the league on a regular basis. There's a large degree of "cost certainty" when getting a "Nova Corps" type prospect. If Poku and/or Kenrich Williams goes down, then JRE moves from the third big man into a starting slot. This is easy cheap low end double doubles potential from a guy who is going to get 20 minutes a night to maybe more if an injury hits. He cannot space the floor at this point. Obviously he cannot create his own shot nor play above the rim, otherwise he wouldn't have been a 2nd rounder and so easy to acquire. His rim protection is a shade under replacement level. He can however acquit himself well in covering wings on occasion, which is incredibly valuable for a young pivot.

Cut from the cloth of a Courtney Lee type player. Useful but not eye catching.


Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtsWy-rV5uQ


Draft Profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vexMt0CD164


Scouting Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgdXXaXBMWc
 
Simone Fontecchio, Jumbo Wing/Combo Forward, Utah Jazz ( This season, he will be making 3.2 million )

Danny Ainge is going to go down that entire Utah Jazz roster and trade off everyone he can sell this season. I don't know if he can find a suitor for Mike Conley, but Jordan Clarkson and Malik Beasley look like goners. Besides "Lauri Bird", is anyone on that roster seen as untouchable in a trade?

With real burn and some minutes, if they can be carved out by trades in front of him. Fontecchio can legitimately create his own shot. The problem of course is he's an older prospect who is very very very raw. He's not a reliable long range shooter and it's going to be hard to see him being a great finisher around the rim at this level without some moderate to more adjustments. But he has the size, length, mechanics and burst that's coveted for a Jumbo Wing. Also cut his teeth on the international circuit where he turned heads against tough competition. Looks more undisciplined from lack of experience/lack of more refined coaching than from being a pure shot jacker. He's going to struggle with NBA grade hard contact, he'll be tested there like all Euros. But that roster could be running out third stringers by the All Star break, so if the opportunity is there, I actually think he has more fantasy value this season than Bolmaro ( whom I see as overrated)


Offensive Mix Tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8W09hfjw_Y

Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEgUTANxVsQ

Euro Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOzLEnRKntM
 
All I know about the Ume situation is one day Matt Barnes was like maybe we should just wait for the story to come out and see what is what and then the next day he went on video looking like he saw a ghost and said holy **** no way that guy can coach again. So the Nets are really making some kind of decision here.
Cliffs notes , if you don't mind, of what this guy did?

(I was in a big trial over the time period this went down and couldn't keep up with it)
@Capella I realize now that the first words of your post was "all I know about..." so my bad for asking for my information from you as my reading comprehension clearly failed. :lmao:
@Anarchy99 is on top of Boston sports but a lot of info wasn’t really released as far as I know.
I posted the info that came out as things developed. The story had mostly died out until today, and the Celtics have been very tight lipped about what came out on their end. It's been theorized that once Ime signs with the Nets, things will start to leak out over the following week or two. But the C's don't want any compensation for him at all, they just want him out of town. That seems both odd and foreboding at the same time. The optics don't look so good on the Nets front, as one team thinks their coach is toxic, suspends the guy and never wants him back, and a month later you go out and sign him. The whole thing is weird.
 


However, one NBA executive has a different concern: Davis’ health.... “I don’t like what I’ve seen from A.D.,” the executive told Bleacher Report. “That back doesn’t look healthy.”

Of course, injury concerns are nothing new for Davis, who has missed a lot of games due to injuries during his stint with the Lakers.In the 2020-21 season, the veteran played in just 36 games. Last season, he suited up for just 40 contests. In five games so far in the 2022-23 campaign, Davis is averaging 23.8 points, 10.6 rebounds, 2.4 steals and 2.0 blocks per contest. He’s shooting a solid 53.3 percent from the field, although he’s knocking down just 18.2 percent of his shots from beyond the arc.



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Lakers need to trade AD as soon as possible. He's just unreliable and when he does play, he doesn't look like he even gives a damn.

The team needs 3 And D wings in the worst way possible. And with so many draft assets lost in the original AD trade, how does this team get better otherwise?

Watch LeBron James demand Pelinka and Jeannie Buss overpay Draymond Green next offseason.
 
brohans i am proud of us lets keep it up if you know you know take that to the bank brohans
I totally know that you mean that we've done an awesome job of not unreasonably criticizing one of the best players and fiercest competitors to step onto the hardwood. I read ya. I read ya loud and clear...
 
I know we've had plenty of Laker talk, but I find their situation pretty interesting. They have one of the best players of all-time who is 37 and has played like 1 billion minutes of basketball. But this year's team is awful and going nowhere. So they can:

1. Do nothing. This wastes a year of James, which is truly sad, although it's not completely unwarranted to say he deserves this. Westbrook, the main reason for everything going wrong, is in the last year of his contract. I didn't realize this until today, but next year the only players on the books are Lebron, AD, Max Christie on the rookie minimum, and Damion Jones who has a player option at the vet minimum. LBJ and AD take up a significant portion of the cap by themselves, but the Lakers will have something like $34 million in cap space.

2. Trade Westbrook with 1 or 2 first round picks for immediate help this year.

3. Blow it all up. Trade AD (and maybe Westbrook) and try to rebuild this way.


I gotta say, looking at it this way I think you just eat this season and reset it all with Lebron and AD next season. Sit those two plenty, maybe even shut them down for parts of the year, and just throw this year away. I know they don't have any incentive to tank since they don't have their pick, but I don't really see either #2 or #3 as a viable solution to make a real difference (depending on the demand for AD).
 
Please note: I am not a salary cap expert nor a reading expert. It is entriely possible the above is full of mistakes and/or misunderstandings.
 
Please note: I am not a salary cap expert nor a reading expert. It is entriely possible the above is full of mistakes and/or misunderstandings.
I agree with you - I find them to be the most interesting situation in the league. Sucks to burn a Lebron season, but he brought it on himself. Wish he was as good at player evaluation as he is playing basketball. I don’t know what they can or will do next off-season but I wish he’d go somewhere else.
 
Klay Thompson looked terrible again down the stretch tonight. Why does Kerr keep giving him late game minutes?

Also, Jordan Poole was -23 tonight. Umm…..
 
brohans i am proud of us lets keep it up if you know you know take that to the bank brohans
I totally know that you mean that we've done an awesome job of not unreasonably criticizing one of the best players and fiercest competitors to step onto the hardwood. I read ya. I read ya loud and clear...
woz doesnt know take that to the bank bromigos
 
what are the Sixers getting in return for Harden this year?

a collection of castoffs and some 2nd round picks in '28 and '29?
 
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