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Thank you GB. We put a good bit of effort into the contest this year and trying to make it more fun and accessible and I appreciate the kind words. Thanks.
Here's a thin but studly team. I have bolded my expected starters, based on price:
QB - Kirk Cousins - MIN/7 - $14
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
Carr became a full-time starter in 2014, and Cousins in 2015. Since then, they have each only missed 2 starts out of 242 total. Sure, neither are gonna light it up on the ground, but that's also the reason I don't feel like I need a 3rd QB.
RB - Joe Mixon - CIN/10 - $30
RB - Alvin Kamara - NO/14 - $28
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
Go big or go home, right? You can play it safe with umpteen scrubs, or you can drool over this trio - the choice is yours.
WR - D.J. Moore - CAR/13 - $23
WR - Allen Robinson - LAR/7 - $20
WR - Christian Kirk - JAX/11 - $16
WR - JuJu Smith-Schuster - KC/8 - $15
It's a pretty strong lineup when Juju is a bye week filler. And it's no coincidence that all 8 of my RB's/WR's have different byes.
TE - Travis Kelce - KC/8 - $30
TE - Taysom Hill - NO/14 - $5
If you are going minimum roster size, may as well roster the best of the best. Oh, and I also took Kelce!
PK - Dustin Hopkins - LAC/8 - $5
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Zane Gonzalez - CAR/13 - $3
I am a firm believer in carrying 3 cheapies, but with this build, I decided to spend an extra $2 on my Chargers kicker.
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
TD - Detroit Lions - DET/6 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
I bolded the Vikes only because their ADP is currently the highest.
QB - Kirk Cousins - MIN/7 - $14
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
Carr became a full-time starter in 2014, and Cousins in 2015. Since then, they have each only missed 2 starts out of 242 total. Sure, neither are gonna light it up on the ground, but that's also the reason I don't feel like I need a 3rd QB.
RB - Joe Mixon - CIN/10 - $30
RB - Alvin Kamara - NO/14 - $28
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
Go big or go home, right? You can play it safe with umpteen scrubs, or you can drool over this trio - the choice is yours.
WR - D.J. Moore - CAR/13 - $23
WR - Allen Robinson - LAR/7 - $20
WR - Christian Kirk - JAX/11 - $16
WR - JuJu Smith-Schuster - KC/8 - $15
It's a pretty strong lineup when Juju is a bye week filler. And it's no coincidence that all 8 of my RB's/WR's have different byes.
TE - Travis Kelce - KC/8 - $30
TE - Taysom Hill - NO/14 - $5
If you are going minimum roster size, may as well roster the best of the best. Oh, and I also took Kelce!
PK - Dustin Hopkins - LAC/8 - $5
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Zane Gonzalez - CAR/13 - $3
I am a firm believer in carrying 3 cheapies, but with this build, I decided to spend an extra $2 on my Chargers kicker.
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
TD - Detroit Lions - DET/6 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
I bolded the Vikes only because their ADP is currently the highest.
wow this actually looks really good. Now everyone is gonna have 4 rbs and 4wrs haha
It was just a fun experiment, but it did turn out well. The more submissions I do, the more I love the Cousins/Carr combo.
Galileo
Footballguy
There is a lot to like with your perspective starters. I also like the QB combo. I am not sold on that WR group, but when you spend as you did on RBs and TE I guess there has to be sacrifice somewhere. I might explore going back to the $3 kicker, dropping down from Kelce to to an Andrews, Pitts or Waller type and use those dollars to upgrade a WR. Just a thought (without regard to byes and such) but I totally understand the appeal of Kelce.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Nice Roster, a bit blasphemous to have a kicker over $3 even though I like the angle there.....lol!
Nice! This is kind of what I was going for but did not think about the 2 QB / 2 TE combo to take the bigger swings at RB/WR.
Galileo
Footballguy
Love the contest. We appreciate you putting forth the effort to make this available. I never seem to progress far enough to challenge for the win, but I have won many side bets off this contest through the years. It keeps my liquor cabinet stocked!
One quick suggestion for future consideration...I wouldn't mind seeing the bye weeks noted on the entry form for convenient reference. I'm guessing there is a reason you don't do it as I suspect this isn't likely a novel idea.
I think the byes are left off to weed out those entries that did not put the effort in to check. Just a thought
I know. I felt like a sellout selecting a K over $3, after all the yapping I do.
Thanks for the good words. We've talked about that some and may look for next year. The biggest reasons we didn't include them was just for looks. It's a cleaner looking entry form without them. And our entry form was not clean in past years. And secondly, there is an advantage for the sharper players that factor this in. We'll try to look at this again for next year.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
The valid arguments explaining why two $2 kickers are a better strategy than a $6 kicker don't necessarily extend to $3 versus $4 kickers. That $1 buys quality.
Puppies
Footballguy
That's a great lineup, but with only 18 players. With a strong but short lineup, I'm always concerned about a couple key injuries sinking my boat when bye weeks hit. I may be wrong, but what I've observed over 12 years playing this contest is a few injuries sink your ship with so few players on the roster. I will add, however, that in 2011, I had a similar lineup with I think only 18 or 19 players, and was fortunate to not suffer injuries, and I ended up taking 4th place for $1,500 (the first year I played). Since then I've been eliminated earlier every year when I had fewer players. I kept stats for a while in a huge spreadsheet and saw that the highest survival rate was among teams with 26 - 28 players. Obviously the trick is finding value in mid to low cap players. I love this contest, but I really wish there were a way to play 2 entries per subscriber. That way you could play one stout lineup with fewer players, and a second on with a more lottery ticket players, playing your hunches.
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No! Don't put bye weeks in!
QB - Kirk Cousins - MIN/7 - $14
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
RB - Travis Etienne - JAX/11 - $22
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
RB - Mike Davis - BAL/10 - $4
RB - Zack Moss - BUF/7 - $3
WR - Mike Williams - LAC/8 - $21
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - Gabriel Davis - BUF/7 - $19
WR - Amon-Ra St. Brown - DET/6 - $17
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
WR - WanDale Robinson - NYG/9 - $5
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
TE - Dalton Schultz - DAL/9 - $18
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Kaimi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $3
PK - Zane Gonzalez - CAR/13 - $3
TD - New York Giants - NYG/9 - $3
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
@TheWinz Ugh week 9.... can it be okay?
OR
QB - Kirk Cousins - MIN/7 - $14
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
RB - Travis Etienne - JAX/11 - $22
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
RB - Mike Davis - BAL/10 - $4
WR - D.J. Moore - CAR/13 - $23
WR - Allen Robinson - LAR/7 - $20
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - Amon-Ra St. Brown - DET/6 - $17
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
WR - WanDale Robinson - NYG/9 - $5
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
TE - Dalton Schultz - DAL/9 - $18
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Kaimi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $3
PK - Zane Gonzalez - CAR/13 - $3
TD - New York Giants - NYG/9 - $3
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
RB - Travis Etienne - JAX/11 - $22
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
RB - Mike Davis - BAL/10 - $4
RB - Zack Moss - BUF/7 - $3
WR - Mike Williams - LAC/8 - $21
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - Gabriel Davis - BUF/7 - $19
WR - Amon-Ra St. Brown - DET/6 - $17
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
WR - WanDale Robinson - NYG/9 - $5
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
TE - Dalton Schultz - DAL/9 - $18
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Kaimi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $3
PK - Zane Gonzalez - CAR/13 - $3
TD - New York Giants - NYG/9 - $3
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
@TheWinz Ugh week 9.... can it be okay?
OR
QB - Kirk Cousins - MIN/7 - $14
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
RB - Travis Etienne - JAX/11 - $22
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
RB - Mike Davis - BAL/10 - $4
WR - D.J. Moore - CAR/13 - $23
WR - Allen Robinson - LAR/7 - $20
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - Amon-Ra St. Brown - DET/6 - $17
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
WR - WanDale Robinson - NYG/9 - $5
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
TE - Dalton Schultz - DAL/9 - $18
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Kaimi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $3
PK - Zane Gonzalez - CAR/13 - $3
TD - New York Giants - NYG/9 - $3
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
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jon007
Footballguy
Thank you to everyone who added to this thread. I'm a first-time subscriber to enter the contest.
The conversation is making the contest even more fun. It's like we all have similar thoughts and strategies.
Points I have been considering and attempting.
1) I've been trying to Moneyball my roster. Cost per Fantasy Point.
2) I'm having a hard time building a 30-man roster.
3) $3-5 for scrubs is quite expensive.
4) Seems like 21 roster size is going to be the most submitted amount. A 24-player roster would be ideal if it works out.
5) QB, TE, K, and D will share many of the same players on many rosters. The variance seems to be in RB and WR.
6) Whoever set the prices I think did an excellent job. I'm having a hard time finding true value in some instances. For instance, some players present great value from a cost perspective but are they really going to contribute to your weekly numbers?
7) For Cap allocations I'm thinking $50 for QB & TE. $20 for K and Def, and $180 for RB and WR.
Thought?
The conversation is making the contest even more fun. It's like we all have similar thoughts and strategies.
Points I have been considering and attempting.
1) I've been trying to Moneyball my roster. Cost per Fantasy Point.
2) I'm having a hard time building a 30-man roster.
3) $3-5 for scrubs is quite expensive.
4) Seems like 21 roster size is going to be the most submitted amount. A 24-player roster would be ideal if it works out.
5) QB, TE, K, and D will share many of the same players on many rosters. The variance seems to be in RB and WR.
6) Whoever set the prices I think did an excellent job. I'm having a hard time finding true value in some instances. For instance, some players present great value from a cost perspective but are they really going to contribute to your weekly numbers?
7) For Cap allocations I'm thinking $50 for QB & TE. $20 for K and Def, and $180 for RB and WR.
Thought?
Puppies
Footballguy
Welcome. Believe it or not, I've played this contest since 2011, but have only today posted in these forums. This sure will add a lot of fun.
My personal opinion is you are a little high on defense and kicker. I'm basing that on the average cost per point and the number of players that count each week at each position. Good luck!
jon007
Footballguy
I put $20 for K and D only because most are spending $18. At $20 for K&D, you can grab a blue-chip $7 option plus a $3 scrub. And I'm looking at you Dallas and Minnesota 
For the kicker, I'll more than likely go 3 kickers at $3 each. But honestly, I think only 2 defenses are ideal.
For the kicker, I'll more than likely go 3 kickers at $3 each. But honestly, I think only 2 defenses are ideal.
Welcome! Hope you crush it.
This is something I did for the first time this year, just to see how it broke down. I took the FBG projected points for all the QBs and divided it by their cost to get a "Points per Dollar" as I was curious if this was how they came up with their pricing. It didn't remain steady, so I'm curious @Joe Bryant how you come up with the pricing if it doesn't exactly reflect your guys' rankings?
@TheWinz have you ever calculated stuff this way? It's not an exact sliding scale, but the point per dollar seems to increase as you get cheaper.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Currently digging this 19 player roster (9 WRs), though Week 10 is a concern.
It's all about the very high ceiling with these two. Initially had Trey Lance, Matt Ryan, and Desmond Ridder in the barrel.
It's a thin corp, and Ihope need for these guys get touches significantly above current expectations. Definitely the weak link in my strategy (that and 1 kicker, 1 defense)
Had to massage WRs a lot to spread out the bye weeks. DK Metcalf is the player giving me the most pause; if/when I blow up this roster, it will begin with me swapping him out. A lot of yutes in this stable.
The crown jewels.
First time in forever that I have not gone with 3 kicker strategy.
Had three cheap defenses rostered initially, and then I saw the highlights of Dallas special teams return game last week.
It's all about the very high ceiling with these two. Initially had Trey Lance, Matt Ryan, and Desmond Ridder in the barrel.
- QB - Josh Allen - BUF/7 - $25
- QB - Trey Lance - SF/9 - $15
It's a thin corp, and I
- RB - Rhamondre Stevenson - NE/10 - $15
- RB - James Cook - BUF/7 - $15
- RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
- RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
Had to massage WRs a lot to spread out the bye weeks. DK Metcalf is the player giving me the most pause; if/when I blow up this roster, it will begin with me swapping him out. A lot of yutes in this stable.
- WR - DK Metcalf - SEA/11 - $16
- WR - Elijah Moore - NYJ/10 - $13
- WR - Kadarius Toney - NYG/9 - $11
- WR - Tyler Boyd - CIN/10 - $11
- WR - Nico Collins - HOU/6 - $10
- WR - Jahan Dotson - WAS/14 - $9
- WR - Skyy Moore - KC/8 - $9
- WR - Alec Pierce - IND/14 - $7
- WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
The crown jewels.
- TE - Travis Kelce - KC/8 - $30
- TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
First time in forever that I have not gone with 3 kicker strategy.
- PK - Evan McPherson - CIN/10 - $6
Had three cheap defenses rostered initially, and then I saw the highlights of Dallas special teams return game last week.
- TD - Dallas Cowboys - DAL/9 - $7
First timer here as well and add my thanks to everyone posting. This is a lot of fun (and perhaps getting a little obsessive!) @jon007 I can see the logic of 2 TD but think you would have to pretty careful about who the bye week opponents are.I put $20 for K and D only because most are spending $18. At $20 for K&D, you can grab a blue-chip $7 option plus a $3 scrub. And I'm looking at you Dallas and Minnesota
For the kicker, I'll more than likely go 3 kickers at $3 each. But honestly, I think only 2 defenses are ideal.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'm not sure how the process works to determine player values, but crowdsourcing it internally among staff members would help a lot. Throw some rough estimates against the wall and see which players they overselect (or don't select at all), and then start adjusting values up and down until a happy medium is achieved.
Only my second iteration but, I like how it turned out. Decided to post it here in case I got the urge to fiddle some more. If nothing else pops up that I like I can reference this post to resubmit this roster.
QB - Patrick Mahomes - KC/8 - $23
QB - Davis Mills - HOU/6 - $7
QB - Jimmy Garoppolo - SF/9 - $7
RB - Nick Chubb - CLE/9 - $24
RB - J.K. Dobbins - BAL/10 - $21
RB - Nyheim Hines - IND/14 - $13
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Khalil Herbert - CHI/14 - $9
RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
WR - Tyreek Hill - MIA/11 - $26
WR - Mike Williams - LAC/8 - $21
WR - Allen Robinson - LAR/7 - $20
WR - Jahan Dotson - WAS/14 - $9
WR - Alec Pierce - IND/14 - $7
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
TE - Foster Moreau - LV/6 - $4
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
PK - Kaimi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $3
TD - Cleveland Browns - CLE/9 - $5
TD - Detroit Lions - DET/6 - $3
I missed last year's contest when I got preoccupied with life but, I've never fared very well in any FBG regular season contest. It still irked me that I missed out though. I can say that I've done OK in the post-season contest as I reached second place back in '16 (I think it was '16.)
Rody
QB - Patrick Mahomes - KC/8 - $23
QB - Davis Mills - HOU/6 - $7
QB - Jimmy Garoppolo - SF/9 - $7
RB - Nick Chubb - CLE/9 - $24
RB - J.K. Dobbins - BAL/10 - $21
RB - Nyheim Hines - IND/14 - $13
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Khalil Herbert - CHI/14 - $9
RB - Brian Robinson - WAS/14 - $7
WR - Tyreek Hill - MIA/11 - $26
WR - Mike Williams - LAC/8 - $21
WR - Allen Robinson - LAR/7 - $20
WR - Jahan Dotson - WAS/14 - $9
WR - Alec Pierce - IND/14 - $7
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/10 - $28
TE - Foster Moreau - LV/6 - $4
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
PK - Kaimi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $3
TD - Cleveland Browns - CLE/9 - $5
TD - Detroit Lions - DET/6 - $3
I missed last year's contest when I got preoccupied with life but, I've never fared very well in any FBG regular season contest. It still irked me that I missed out though. I can say that I've done OK in the post-season contest as I reached second place back in '16 (I think it was '16.)
Rody
Secret sauce stuff behind the curtain to keep y'all on your toes!
I like it a lot. BUt would add another K for sure, and maybe combine mills and jimmy into a $14 qb.
Puppies
Footballguy
Since they publish the player lists well in advance of the season to give us time to work on lineups, the cap numbers are likely their best guess at the time. Things change dramaticly with trades, pre-season injuries, and the like, so stat projections also change accordingly. Things are always changing; nothing is static in fantasy football. So your job is identifiying value, right up until the start of the season.
Yes but even at the time it comes out, the values don't really correspond with their rankings. I guess maybe they adjust for best ball and some other things. Of course lots of things change, hence why some guys like robinson are going to be owned everywhere.
Let's hear it.
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I feel like you should just let @TheWinz write itLet's hear it.
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Yes, I do this almost every year. And you are correct - points per dollar does favor the cheap guys by a wide margin. As an exercise, I will post the TE's, and use today's consensus FBG player projections (and yes, I added the extra half point per catch). Here goes:
26.12 - Pharaoh Brown
26.05 - Kyle Rudolph
22.15 - Will Dissly
20.40 - Foster Moreau
19.82 - Geoff Swaim
19.16 - Mo Alie-Cox
19.01 - Gerald Everett
19.01 - Austin Hooper
18.97 - Daniel Bellinger
18.96 - Adam Trautman
18.91 - Hayden Hurst
18.03 - Albert Okwuegbunam
18.03 - Anthony Firkser
18.02 - Robert Tonyan
18.02 - Tommy Tremble
17.75 - Evan Engram
17.50 - Donald Parham
17.43 - Logan Thomas
17.41 - Brevin Jordan
17.37 - David Njoku
17.32 - Tyler Higbee
16.89 - Cameron Brate
16.87 - Harrison Bryant
16.70 - Noah Fant
16.27 - Taysom Hill
16.23 - Jonnu Smith
14.70 - Hunter Henry
14.42 - Tyler Conklin
13.75 - TJ Hockenson
13.73 - Zach Ertz
13.59 - Dallas Goedert
13.55 - Greg Dulcich
13.29 - Dawson Knox
13.17 - Dalton Schultz
13.11 - Cole Kmet
13.05 - Pat Freiermuth
12.84 - George Kittle
12.76 - Irv Smith
12.68 - CJ Uzomah
12.68 - Cade Otton
12.65 - Dan Arnold
12.54 - Mike Gesicki
12.15 - Darren Waller
11.16 - Kyle Pitts
10.66 - Mark Andrews
10.50 - Travis Kelce
I won't be rostering based on this order, but it is fun to see.
Just write that article man.
Lots of value WR's is a good strategy. Additional players ups your odds at getting people who way outperform preseason expectations. However if matching expectations a group of mediocre WR's can combine to score really well in best ball.Let's hear it.
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Here is another iteration taking the "quantity has a quality of its own" approach. 28 players incl. 8 RB and 8 WR with a Simolean left over. I could tweak it a bit more to try and take advantage of the last dollar(cheaper TDs to try and upgrade RB1 and/or WR1) but I like the players (mostly - looking at you Chubba) and the bye week distro in seems workable. Thoughts?
QB - Trey Lance - SF/9 - $15
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
QB - Marcus Mariota - ATL/14 - $5
RB - Elijah Mitchell - SF/9 - $18
RB - Rhamondre Stevenson - NE/10 - $15
RB - Chase Edmonds - MIA/11 - $14
RB - Kenneth Gainwell - PHI/7 - $11
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Khalil Herbert - CHI/14 - $9
RB - Rachaad White - TB/11 - $8
RB - Chuba Hubbard - CAR/13 - $3
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - Elijah Moore - NYJ/10 - $13
WR - Chris Olave - NO/14 - $12
WR - Rondale Moore - ARI/13 - $11
WR - Julio Jones - TB/11 - $9
WR - Alec Pierce - IND/14 - $7
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
WR - Isaiah McKenzie - BUF/7 - $6
TE - David Njoku - CLE/9 - $9
TE - Gerald Everett - LAC/8 - $8
TE - Mo Alie-Cox - IND/14 - $6
PK - Austin Seibert - DET/6 - $3
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
PK - Greg Zuerlein - NYJ/10 - $3
TD - Los Angeles Rams - LAR/7 - $6
TD - Baltimore Ravens - BAL/10 - $4
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
QB - Trey Lance - SF/9 - $15
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
QB - Marcus Mariota - ATL/14 - $5
RB - Elijah Mitchell - SF/9 - $18
RB - Rhamondre Stevenson - NE/10 - $15
RB - Chase Edmonds - MIA/11 - $14
RB - Kenneth Gainwell - PHI/7 - $11
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
RB - Khalil Herbert - CHI/14 - $9
RB - Rachaad White - TB/11 - $8
RB - Chuba Hubbard - CAR/13 - $3
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - Elijah Moore - NYJ/10 - $13
WR - Chris Olave - NO/14 - $12
WR - Rondale Moore - ARI/13 - $11
WR - Julio Jones - TB/11 - $9
WR - Alec Pierce - IND/14 - $7
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
WR - Isaiah McKenzie - BUF/7 - $6
TE - David Njoku - CLE/9 - $9
TE - Gerald Everett - LAC/8 - $8
TE - Mo Alie-Cox - IND/14 - $6
PK - Austin Seibert - DET/6 - $3
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
PK - Greg Zuerlein - NYJ/10 - $3
TD - Los Angeles Rams - LAR/7 - $6
TD - Baltimore Ravens - BAL/10 - $4
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
Galileo
Footballguy
OK...don't want to upset the apple cart, but honestly, they are a click away as soon as you submit the lineup you see them. I suspect if people aren't looking there, they probably won't pay much attention to them if they are listed on the selection sheet either. I also figure the average FBG subscriber probably wise enough to factor that information into their selections.
I think you'd be surprised. The people in this thread are less than 1% of the entries, I'm sure a big chunk of them don't take as much time to look that over, especially with Kickers and D. I like the clean way it looks without the bye weeks, and also it gives an advantage (even if its a small one), to those who put a lot of time into the contest.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Honest opinion on your roster, it has too many low-ceiling types ... Mariota, Rachaad, Hubbard, Julio, all TEs, PKs, and TDs. You gotta go full Dave Kingman in this contest. Says the guy (me) who has always favored roster sizes around 25-27. If you believe differently, that the guys I mentioned are your sleeper picks, then stick to your guns.
@Joe Bryant do staffers still put in their own entries? (I thought you had in the past but you just couldn't win any money). Can you share yours? 
I love the Dave Kingman reference. That dude either struck out or homered every at bat.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
My honest take, this is my least favorite team posted yet in this thread. So that means you should probably keep it
Thanks for the insights. As I mentioned I'm still trying to get the feel for how different strategies actually look. Without doing a deep dive into all the past threads it does seem like from the comments I've seen that having more options of players that could provide a decent chance of scoring is pays off more often than banking on fewer players with consensus high value.
Rostering Chubba is cool if CMC goes down but worthless if he doesn't. So you better have some decent options.
Swinging back the other direction a bit without going full Kingman.
QB - Trey Lance - SF/9 - $15
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
QB - Marcus Mariota - ATL/14 - $5
RB - Elijah Mitchell - SF/9 - $18
RB - Clyde Edwards-Helaire - KC/8 - $17
RB - Rashaad Penny - SEA/11 - $15
RB - Rhamondre Stevenson - NE/10 - $15
RB - Chase Edmonds - MIA/11 - $14
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - DeVonta Smith - PHI/7 - $13
WR - Elijah Moore - NYJ/10 - $13
WR - Chris Olave - NO/14 - $12
WR - Rondale Moore - ARI/13 - $11
WR - Julio Jones - TB/11 - $9
WR - Isaiah McKenzie - BUF/7 - $6
TE - David Njoku - CLE/9 - $9
TE - Gerald Everett - LAC/8 - $8
TE - Mo Alie-Cox - IND/14 - $6
PK - Austin Seibert - DET/6 - $3
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
PK - Greg Zuerlein - NYJ/10 - $3
TD - Los Angeles Rams - LAR/7 - $6
TD - Baltimore Ravens - BAL/10 - $4
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
Rostering Chubba is cool if CMC goes down but worthless if he doesn't. So you better have some decent options.
Swinging back the other direction a bit without going full Kingman.
QB - Trey Lance - SF/9 - $15
QB - Derek Carr - LV/6 - $13
QB - Marcus Mariota - ATL/14 - $5
RB - Elijah Mitchell - SF/9 - $18
RB - Clyde Edwards-Helaire - KC/8 - $17
RB - Rashaad Penny - SEA/11 - $15
RB - Rhamondre Stevenson - NE/10 - $15
RB - Chase Edmonds - MIA/11 - $14
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
WR - DeVonta Smith - PHI/7 - $13
WR - Elijah Moore - NYJ/10 - $13
WR - Chris Olave - NO/14 - $12
WR - Rondale Moore - ARI/13 - $11
WR - Julio Jones - TB/11 - $9
WR - Isaiah McKenzie - BUF/7 - $6
TE - David Njoku - CLE/9 - $9
TE - Gerald Everett - LAC/8 - $8
TE - Mo Alie-Cox - IND/14 - $6
PK - Austin Seibert - DET/6 - $3
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
PK - Greg Zuerlein - NYJ/10 - $3
TD - Los Angeles Rams - LAR/7 - $6
TD - Baltimore Ravens - BAL/10 - $4
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
The Kerminator
Footballguy
A bit heavy on the Ds for me but otherwise I like
Indeed. A bit of a home run swing there. Perhaps room to go w/3@$3 and use the $4 to upgrade someone.
You have broken my cardinal rule of rostering 1 D for the price of 2. If you are willing to read, I can spend hours explaining why expensive defenses aren't worth it. By expensive, I mean anytime you can roster more than 1 D for the same price. I don't care if LAR is the top D this year - 2 D's for $3 each is better. It's proven. There is only 1 circumstance where rostering an expensive D is acceptable - when your roster is full and you choose to carry only 1 D.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I like this better. The big question mark would be if that TE group can win the day on a consistent basis or more specifically will the Browns #1 TE end up as a top 12 TE in this scoring system? You spent less than 10% of your budget on a position that could contribute 3 scores per week.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I've been playing in this contest since 200...4? I don't remember. It's been a long time. Here are some observations / thoughts based on what I've learned over the years that may or may not still apply...
1) Straight cost per fantasy point is not a useful metric, as you'll probably figure out once you try to use it. It's not a linear relationship - cost per point would imply, for example. that Drew Lock for $4 is wayyyyy more valuable than Josh Allen for $25 or something. You can derive some relative value metrics but straight points per dollar isn't it.
2) Generally larger rosters have higher regular-season survival rates than smaller rosters, with 30-man rosters having the highest and 18-man rosters the lowest. But the game is not just to get there, but to win some money, and 30-man rosters may not have the concentrated firepower to do the latter in the playoffs. I think the sweet spot is somewhere in the mid-20s.
3) You used to be able to get scrubs for $1 (I think). Then the min price was raised to $2. Now it's $3. The lower prices made it easier to build a larger roster with legit high-priced studs and sufficient backups, etc. I like the challenge of having the higher price floor.
5) Don't forget that the people who post here are a very tiny and not-representative sample of all the entrants. Every year there will be a handful of obvious values that end up on 75% of rosters or whatever, but for the most part there will be wide, sufficient variety in rosters among all the entries.
7) The general guidelines I've historically used as a starting point for budget are roughly in line with yours. $25-30 for QB, $12-18 for K and D, $80-90 for RB, $90-100 for WR, whatever's left on TE. I start there and then tweak 1,000x as necessary up until the deadline.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Good stuff.
To point 1, I would add that cost per point (or incremental points per incremental cost versus a baseline) IS useful when restricting your focus to starter values within and across positions (excluding kickers and defense). But it's just a tool to help focus one's thoughts.
To point 7, I was going to argue that your "whatever's left on TE" approach is flawed given TE favorable scoring, but the reality is that outside a few elite tight ends, TE14 might be just as likely to finish in the top five as TE4. Same rule applies...computations are not the be all / end all, but they can help when sifting through volumes of data...you just have to be honest with yourself when assessing what the math is telling you.
It was my understanding....
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
There's a lot of stuff I "figured out" 15 years ago that I've never re-evaluated or moved away from. This is one of those things, as a rule of thumb I just kind of take the approach that allocating more than that to the TE position isn't worth it, despite the favorable scoring.
I put "figured out" in quotes because it's very possible I was wrong back then, or that what made sense back then no longer applies, or whatever. There is probably merit to spending a lot more at TE and hoping to flex two of them every week. I've just always "remembered" that I'd prefer to add/upgrade at RB and WR than spend more at TE and at this point I'm too lazy to analyze it again.
Please show us your roster and oh god would I love to see Brian Robinson on it lol
