2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (4 Viewers)

[General Malaise]

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

Lowry has 3 or 4 years of Heat culture in him. Charlotte or whoever gets him after a buyout should probably be title favorites.

Is Lowry the guy the Heat thought was enough to get Dame Lillard to Miami or am I misremembering?

 

[msudaisy26]

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

Lowry has 3 or 4 years of Heat culture in him. Charlotte or whoever gets him after a buyout should probably be title favorites.

Is Lowry the guy the Heat thought was enough to get Dame Lillard to Miami or am I misremembering?

No, it was Herro.

 

[Anarchy99]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

 

[Desert_Power]

NBA L2M report on Wolves vs. Hornets said there were 10 missed calls in the last 2 minutes of that game - 6 in favor of the hornest and 3 for the Wolves, which included KAT was fouled on that last play. So it's not our fault for losing our composure, playing bad defense, and forcing the ball to an exhausted KAT in order to try to beat Embiid. It was the refs and their constant Hornet bias.

Same as day one

 

[Deamon]

Occasionally I would wonder what question would be burning enough to bring me back to the FFA, and now I know:

What the is going on in Milwaukee, and why is everyone acting like it's a big mystery why their defense is faltering? You traded the best defensive PG in the league for one of the worst, what did you think would happen!??!!? If you traded Rudy Gobert for Fred Vanvleet you wouldn't wonder why your blocked shot totals suddenly fell off.

Yep. There were actually a lot of critics on the Dame trade, saying they got so much worse defensively. Yet seems like the coach is getting the blame for the defensive drop off instead.

 

[Deamon]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

yes, they got fu*ked

 

[General Malaise]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

Nobody knows in Portland. They took the games off the standard cable package. The team is really doing all they can to ensure complete and utter ambivalence toward this franchise.

 

[modogg]

So the Bucks fired their coach that had them at 30-13 in his first year and they hired Doc Rivers... On purpose? WTF?

And if I am remembering correctly, this means that the Bucks are currently paying 3 head coaches. Kind of funny overall, and looking forward to 2nd round matchup of Sixers-Bucks

 

[Kev4029]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

Here is the play.

It honestly doesn't seem that terrible to me. If he was signaling for the timeout and yelling for it, the ref on the other side of the court would have caught it. Ultimately, that was Brogdon's fault for getting trapped that easily and not calling the timeout himself.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

Here is the play.

It honestly doesn't seem that terrible to me. If he was signaling for the timeout and yelling for it, the ref on the other side of the court would have caught it. Ultimately, that was Brogdon's fault for getting trapped that easily and not calling the timeout himself.

Agree with this. Calling for the timeout looks to occur simultaneously with the double dribble. Only the Ref across the court had a chance to catch it but it feels like the two events happened at the same time.

 

[msudaisy26]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

Here is the play.

It honestly doesn't seem that terrible to me. If he was signaling for the timeout and yelling for it, the ref on the other side of the court would have caught it. Ultimately, that was Brogdon's fault for getting trapped that easily and not calling the timeout himself.

This is how I see it. The ref that Billups was trying to signal to get a timeout had his back to Billups watching the play. Brogdan has to call the timeout there. Too close to fault the refs there.

 

[Yo Mama]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

 

[Major]

Someone walk me through what happened at the end of the POR-OKC game that resulted in a protest by Portland. From what I can tell, POR was up a point with 15 seconds left when Brogdon got trapped at half court. Coach Billups ran up to the ref right next to him and yelled multiple times for a timeout. The ref didn't see him or hear him and instead called Brogdon for a double dribble. Billups ended up on the court and was called for a technical for yelling at the ref and another technical for being on the court . . . two free throws and the ball to the Thunder. OKC made one of the two free throws to tie the game and with the extra possession made a jump shot to win the game.

I didn't see the play, but did 3 refs not see the coach screaming for a timeout? Post game, the officials said they didn't see or hear the timeout request (and thus didn't grant it), and the subsequent actions merited the double technical and the ejection. The Blazers are protesting. For those that saw it, was it as clear as some of the reports I'm reading that the Blazers got the short end on this one?

Here is the play.

It honestly doesn't seem that terrible to me. If he was signaling for the timeout and yelling for it, the ref on the other side of the court would have caught it. Ultimately, that was Brogdon's fault for getting trapped that easily and not calling the timeout himself.

Agreed. Billups and Brogdon manufactured that L. Chauncey needs to remember he's a coach and not a player anymore.

 

[Major]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

It would be epic if he just makes it out of the 2nd round.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

I don't hear locals around here in South Florida hailing it as a WIN
Also, the Heat were graded slightly lower on the trade vs the Hornets which I find hard to believe but I just want to see what the temperature in the room is
LeBatard and Stugotz-Meadowlark Media is a Heat culture machine and they weren't all happy on the show last day or two, especially Mike Ryan

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

How come no Heat on this list?
Think they have sent him packing a couple times, even when his team was up 3-2

 

[the moops]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

How come no Heat on this list?
Think they have sent him packing a couple times, even when his team was up 3-2

Doc never coached the heat

 

[msudaisy26]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

How come no Heat on this list?
Think they have sent him packing a couple times, even when his team was up 3-2

Doc never coached the heat

Lol. MoP can you at least pretend like you or anyone you are listening to has even watched a Heat game since Lebron left or know what is going on with Doc.

 

[Kev4029]

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

I don't hear locals around here in South Florida hailing it as a WIN
Also, the Heat were graded slightly lower on the trade vs the Hornets which I find hard to believe but I just want to see what the temperature in the room is
LeBatard and Stugotz-Meadowlark Media is a Heat culture machine and they weren't all happy on the show last day or two, especially Mike Ryan

You don't have to "win" the trade to make a good trade for you. It was 100% a better deal for the Hornets because they got what could be a decent draft pick for a player that was only going to help them get a worse draft pick for this year and had no place in their long term plans. It was also a very good trade for the Heat because Lowry is done as an NBA rotation player and Rozier is a significant upgrade on both sides of the ball.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

How come no Heat on this list?
Think they have sent him packing a couple times, even when his team was up 3-2

Doc never coached the heat

Lol. MoP can you at least pretend like you or anyone you are listening to has even watched a Heat game since Lebron left or know what is going on with Doc.

I think it was relevant and a nod to my team the Heat, if he can't beat them then he won't be going on this revenge tour everyone speaks of, eventually you gotta face them since they are overlooked even having the most success of anyone in the East over the last 10-15 seasons, Spo got $120M, but yeah nobody has a clue what's happening down here, wake me up when the Playoffs and meaningful basketball begins.

8-seed last season and ran thru the East all the way to the Finals....pardon us for not caring as much as you deem a necessity to even post
I can start the MOP-NBA thread but I doubt you will be a fan of that either
Have some respect for the Heat, would you?
Pretend like you watch any of the Miami Heat or understand the "Culture" down here


-Good Post

 

[the moops]

I think it was relevant and a nod to my team the Heat, if he can't beat them then he won't be going on this revenge tour everyone speaks of,

WTF you talking about my man?

He coached all those teams that @Yo Mama listed. We aren't listing or talking about teams that have beaten him in the playoffs

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

I don't hear locals around here in South Florida hailing it as a WIN
Also, the Heat were graded slightly lower on the trade vs the Hornets which I find hard to believe but I just want to see what the temperature in the room is
LeBatard and Stugotz-Meadowlark Media is a Heat culture machine and they weren't all happy on the show last day or two, especially Mike Ryan

You don't have to "win" the trade to make a good trade for you. It was 100% a better deal for the Hornets because they got what could be a decent draft pick for a player that was only going to help them get a worse draft pick for this year and had no place in their long term plans. It was also a very good trade for the Heat because Lowry is done as an NBA rotation player and Rozier is a significant upgrade on both sides of the ball.

Moops was going to say the Heat made a bad trade? Because it sounds like on the surface he thought the Heat did pretty good and then another poster says the Heat lost in this trade so which is it?

Nobody liked Lowry down here from the minute they signed him, most Heat fans would have been happy to trade him for a sack of potatoes. Is Rozier a sack of potatoes?
I don't watch the Hornets night in and night out as some fo you all do apparently

 

[the moops]

I give up

 

[General Malaise]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

How come no Heat on this list?
Think they have sent him packing a couple times, even when his team was up 3-2

Doc never coached the heat

Lol. MoP can you at least pretend like you or anyone you are listening to has even watched a Heat game since Lebron left or know what is going on with Doc.

I think it was relevant and a nod to my team the Heat, if he can't beat them then he won't be going on this revenge tour everyone speaks of, eventually you gotta face them since they are overlooked even having the most success of anyone in the East over the last 10-15 seasons, Spo got $120M, but yeah nobody has a clue what's happening down here, wake me up when the Playoffs and meaningful basketball begins.

8-seed last season and ran thru the East all the way to the Finals....pardon us for not caring as much as you deem a necessity to even post
I can start the MOP-NBA thread but I doubt you will be a fan of that either
Have some respect for the Heat, would you?
Pretend like you watch any of the Miami Heat or understand the "Culture" down here


-Good Post

 

[TobiasFunke]

Occasionally I would wonder what question would be burning enough to bring me back to the FFA, and now I know:

What the is going on in Milwaukee, and why is everyone acting like it's a big mystery why their defense is faltering? You traded the best defensive PG in the league for one of the worst, what did you think would happen!??!!? If you traded Rudy Gobert for Fred Vanvleet you wouldn't wonder why your blocked shot totals suddenly fell off.

I hear that from a lot of people, but I think that's kind of lazy thinking. If you watch the Bucks you see a team that is absolutely lost in transition defense, in addition to possession defense. I love Jrue, but he wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Welcome back!

Oh yeah, for sure it's lazy thinking. I haven't watched more than 200 minutes or so of Bucks basketball this season.

Just weird to hear as a fan of the game- defensive contributions are so hard to quantify esp because of the team aspect, but if you replaced a premium skill player with a middling player in a quantifiable category nobody would be wondering why you weren't doing as well in that category. But sure, there has to be something else casual observers like me don't see. I mean it's not like the Bucks front office was unaware of Jrue's defensive prowess.

Thanks! Actual reason I'm back is probably the death of twitter. Good for my mental health, but terrible for my sports fandom.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Then he won't

I think it was relevant and a nod to my team the Heat, if he can't beat them then he won't be going on this revenge tour everyone speaks of,

WTF you talking about my man?

He coached all those teams that @Yo Mama listed. We aren't listing or talking about teams that have beaten him in the playoffs

He's not getting out of the 1st Round I guess
Which brings up the bigger point that you all gloss over
Bucks were winning over 65% of their games thus far? 2 out of 3 we can basically all agree on?
They fire the head coach and really there isn't a guy to insert right away, maybe Doc will be their coach but it sounds like there is some sorta fracture
I only know of one guy that walked in mid-season and became Head Coach and took the team all the way to the title and that's Pat Riley but maybe there are others I'm not thinking of
Because I'm a Heat fan and never watch a game outside of when the Big-3 were here, probably can't think straight...

 

[the moops]

I only know of one guy that walked in mid-season and became Head Coach and took the team all the way to the title and that's Pat Riley

Ty Lue took over for Blatt after a 30-11 start and took that Cleveland team to the title.

 

[gruecd]

Then he won't

I think it was relevant and a nod to my team the Heat, if he can't beat them then he won't be going on this revenge tour everyone speaks of,

WTF you talking about my man?

He coached all those teams that @Yo Mama listed. We aren't listing or talking about teams that have beaten him in the playoffs

He's not getting out of the 1st Round I guess
Which brings up the bigger point that you all gloss over
Bucks were winning over 65% of their games thus far? 2 out of 3 we can basically all agree on?
They fire the head coach and really there isn't a guy to insert right away, maybe Doc will be their coach but it sounds like there is some sorta fracture
I only know of one guy that walked in mid-season and became Head Coach and took the team all the way to the title and that's Pat Riley but maybe there are others I'm not thinking of
Because I'm a Heat fan and never watch a game outside of when the Big-3 were here, probably can't think straight...

Best analogy I've heard is that Bucks players were basically treating Griff like he was a substitute teacher. They were winning in spite of him, not because of him. Change was necessary.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I only know of one guy that walked in mid-season and became Head Coach and took the team all the way to the title and that's Pat Riley

Ty Lue took over for Blatt after a 30-11 start and took that Cleveland team to the title.

Then they should get Ty Lue because Pat Riley is a little busy right now
I don't see Doc being able to mold them into Champions, maybe they should go re-hire the HC they fired that actually won a ring
Seems ludicrous, guess the Heat decided Spo had a big hand in them going to 4 Finals in a row and then 2 of the last 4 seasons he's landed there with no Lebron or Wade

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Then he won't

I think it was relevant and a nod to my team the Heat, if he can't beat them then he won't be going on this revenge tour everyone speaks of,

WTF you talking about my man?

He coached all those teams that @Yo Mama listed. We aren't listing or talking about teams that have beaten him in the playoffs

He's not getting out of the 1st Round I guess
Which brings up the bigger point that you all gloss over
Bucks were winning over 65% of their games thus far? 2 out of 3 we can basically all agree on?
They fire the head coach and really there isn't a guy to insert right away, maybe Doc will be their coach but it sounds like there is some sorta fracture
I only know of one guy that walked in mid-season and became Head Coach and took the team all the way to the title and that's Pat Riley but maybe there are others I'm not thinking of
Because I'm a Heat fan and never watch a game outside of when the Big-3 were here, probably can't think straight...

Best analogy I've heard is that Bucks players were basically treating Griff like he was a substitute teacher. They were winning in spite of him, not because of him. Change was necessary.

And if you scroll back thru this thread, I clearly laid that out when people seemed befuddled why he was fired, not that I agree with the Bucks but the reasons why were all over social media and have been for a while now. I don't disagree with you Gruecd

 

[SWC]

wait has tobias been back for a while and i missed it well if i did i am glad to see you around here tf missed you man take that to the bank brochacho

 

[TobiasFunke]

wait has tobias been back for a while and i missed it well if i did i am glad to see you around here tf missed you man take that to the bank brochacho

Just came back today, bromigo. I was so confused by your Bucks that I was had to seek out explanations in every corner of the internet. Great to see you still here doing your thing

 

[SWC]

Funny potential Doc Rivers things:

He has a chance to be the East All-Star game coach.

He could have an epic personal gauntlet run in the playoffs:
- 1st round vs Magic
- 2nd round vs Sixers
- ECF vs Celtics
- Finals vs Clippers

How come no Heat on this list?
Think they have sent him packing a couple times, even when his team was up 3-2

sweet jesus bless your little minstrone heart of pain take that to the bank brochacho

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Doc his last 3 years running the 76'ers

'21- Gets beat 4-3 in the 2nd round to the Hawks with a 2-1 lead at one point
'22- Loses 4-2 in the 2nd Round to the Miami Heat
'23- Loses 4-3 to the Celtics in the 2nd Round, Heat Culture would have stifled him in the ECF anyways

This is who Milwaukee want to bring in to push the Bucks back to an NBA Finals?
And we could go back on his run with the Clippers from '13-'20, not many trips to the Finals in there...Conference Finals, forget NBA Finals while he was there

-I don't care what the players are saying about that Head Coach, it never works when the players have a guy they can just push around.
Coach Spo has had many question him and even had players walk into Riley's office and point blank ask him to fire Spo...Lebron James didn't win a title until he finally played the low post and I would argue his lack of enthusiasm is what stopped the Heat from winning 3-4 in a row vs the 2 they did win while he was here. Wade of course won 3 as a Heat

You can't have a mutiny and I don't believe players can win a lot of games when they hate their head coach, that doesn't add up to me.
I would put the chances of the Bucks claiming a title this year as remote right now. Even if they go on some wild run after the All Star Break, it will crumble in the Playoffs

 

[SWC]

ministrone we all know you are just trying to cover up for not getting the joke upthread but i for one appreciate the hard hitting analysis take that to the bank bromigo

 

[Jayrod]

MOP = Djax?

 

[General Malaise]

MOP = Djax?

He's doing a good Dwight Schrute in here today.

 

[Softballguy]

I would put the chances of the Bucks claiming a title this year as remote right now. Even if they go on some wild run after the All Star Break, it will crumble in the Playoffs

:bookmark

 

[msudaisy26]

MOP = Djax?

He's doing a good Dwight Schrute in here today.

He doing that one guys shtick where he would report all the news a week late. Was it sportsfan?

It is embarrassing and ridiculous, at least sportsfan was funny.

 

[mr. furley]

MOP = Djax?

He's doing a good Dwight Schrute in here today.

He doing that one guys shtick where he would report all the news a week late. Was it sportsfan?

It is embarrassing and ridiculous, at least sportsfan was funny.

where is @hipple these days?

 

[The Gator]

Just noticed the thread title ******** it. Solid cappy

 

[Frostillicus]

Occasionally I would wonder what question would be burning enough to bring me back to the FFA, and now I know:

What the is going on in Milwaukee, and why is everyone acting like it's a big mystery why their defense is faltering? You traded the best defensive PG in the league for one of the worst, what did you think would happen!??!!? If you traded Rudy Gobert for Fred Vanvleet you wouldn't wonder why your blocked shot totals suddenly fell off.

I hear that from a lot of people, but I think that's kind of lazy thinking. If you watch the Bucks you see a team that is absolutely lost in transition defense, in addition to possession defense. I love Jrue, but he wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Welcome back!

Oh yeah, for sure it's lazy thinking. I haven't watched more than 200 minutes or so of Bucks basketball this season.

Just weird to hear as a fan of the game- defensive contributions are so hard to quantify esp because of the team aspect, but if you replaced a premium skill player with a middling player in a quantifiable category nobody would be wondering why you weren't doing as well in that category. But sure, there has to be something else casual observers like me don't see. I mean it's not like the Bucks front office was unaware of Jrue's defensive prowess.

Thanks! Actual reason I'm back is probably the death of twitter. Good for my mental health, but terrible for my sports fandom.

Welcome back and stick around. This thread has just gotten worse throughout the years.

 

[the moops]

Occasionally I would wonder what question would be burning enough to bring me back to the FFA, and now I know:

What the is going on in Milwaukee, and why is everyone acting like it's a big mystery why their defense is faltering? You traded the best defensive PG in the league for one of the worst, what did you think would happen!??!!? If you traded Rudy Gobert for Fred Vanvleet you wouldn't wonder why your blocked shot totals suddenly fell off.

I hear that from a lot of people, but I think that's kind of lazy thinking. If you watch the Bucks you see a team that is absolutely lost in transition defense, in addition to possession defense. I love Jrue, but he wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Welcome back!

Oh yeah, for sure it's lazy thinking. I haven't watched more than 200 minutes or so of Bucks basketball this season.

Just weird to hear as a fan of the game- defensive contributions are so hard to quantify esp because of the team aspect, but if you replaced a premium skill player with a middling player in a quantifiable category nobody would be wondering why you weren't doing as well in that category. But sure, there has to be something else casual observers like me don't see. I mean it's not like the Bucks front office was unaware of Jrue's defensive prowess.

Thanks! Actual reason I'm back is probably the death of twitter. Good for my mental health, but terrible for my sports fandom.

Welcome back and stick around. This thread has just gotten worse throughout the years.

I blame MOP. and you

 

[Zigg]

This thread is fine during the regular season. Gets a little messy in the playoffs though.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I only know of one guy that walked in mid-season and became Head Coach and took the team all the way to the title and that's Pat Riley

Ty Lue took over for Blatt after a 30-11 start and took that Cleveland team to the title.

Then they should get Ty Lue because Pat Riley is a little busy right now
I don't see Doc being able to mold them into Champions, maybe they should go re-hire the HC they fired that actually won a ring
Seems ludicrous, guess the Heat decided Spo had a big hand in them going to 4 Finals in a row and then 2 of the last 4 seasons he's landed there with no Lebron or Wade

I think Ty Lue might be a little busy also…

Re-hiring Bud is the first sensible thing you’ve said. It would probably be too weird but he would probably be the best answer of who’s available.

 

[dickey moe]

how does doc rivers continue to get coaching jobs?

He has great teeth.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

What’s higher? # of pages in this thread or # of pistons fans at LCA today

 

[gruecd]

Bucks' defensive effort looking noticeably better tonight. Maybe they should just keep Prunty as HC...

 

[Desert_Power]

Are the Heat any better with Rozier vs Lowry?

Seriously?

I don't hear locals around here in South Florida hailing it as a WIN
Also, the Heat were graded slightly lower on the trade vs the Hornets which I find hard to believe but I just want to see what the temperature in the room is
LeBatard and Stugotz-Meadowlark Media is a Heat culture machine and they weren't all happy on the show last day or two, especially Mike Ryan

You don't have to "win" the trade to make a good trade for you. It was 100% a better deal for the Hornets because they got what could be a decent draft pick for a player that was only going to help them get a worse draft pick for this year and had no place in their long term plans. It was also a very good trade for the Heat because Lowry is done as an NBA rotation player and Rozier is a significant upgrade on both sides of the ball.

I just appreciate that folks think this is a good Hornets trade

 

[gruecd]

Re-hiring Bud is the first sensible thing you’ve said. It would probably be too weird but he would probably be the best answer of who’s available.

Dude is getting paid way too much money to NOT coach to even consider coming back. Not to mention that Edens's ego is way too big to even ask.