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2023 New York Jets (2 Viewers)
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
I was not kind to Mosley in my Jets group chat last night (or ever). He's so overrated and overpaid.
What's the Jets defense and coaching staff suffers from the most is hubris.
Don't get me wrong, they are one of the best defenses in football, BUT they were comparing themselves to the 85 Bears in the pre-season. Best of all-time they thought. They refuse to tackle. Watch any great defense and you'll see gang-tackling. The Jets routinely turn 2 yard runs into 9 yard runs. They stand around and watch each other make individual missed tackles.
They will not adjust their defense. Why didn't they put Sauce on Lamb earlier this year or on Waddle last week? Hubris. They think they are good enough to stop anyone. They rarely make any adjustments until half time if they even make those.
Then you have the dropped INTs that became td possessions.
The stupid penalties.
DJ Reed celebrating a pass break-up after getting burned multiple times only to get a penalty on the next play.
Speaking of the penalties, no accountability on this team either. Saleh doesn't even bench them for penalties.
How many games did it take for Lazard to get benched despite bad play after bad play? What about Uzomah? Never I think. It took him getting hurt to come out. Clemons? Maybe Saleh is afraid of him.
Saleh comes off as he is wearing teflon. His lack of accountability is the most irritating (not to mention the lack of results). And we're running it back next season. More of the same crap coming next year.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I could be wrong, but I only remember one time when they double-teamed Garrett. Really? Holy hell, this team deserves what it gets. What coaching staff doesn't provide help to the tackle going up against one of the best pass rushers in the league? Credit Simien for getting rid of it quickly. Wilson would have had several 20-25 yard sacks running backwards like a headless chicken.
Becton has been terrible all season and the worst part is that fool thinks he is elite. Thanks JD.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Only 1 way to go - we need to lose. People can save me the "I'll never root for my team to lose" righteousness. This organization doesn't deserve that mentality from any of us - certainly not in its present state. They've got far too many holes to fill to give a sliver of a rat's *** about the fan-based ego boost a meaningless win against the hapless Pats will bring. If this was a decade ago, and it was going to ruin the REAL Patriots chances somehow - yea, sure, I get it. But in this iteration of both terrible teams, a win for us does absolutely nothing other than hurt our draft capital (and we only have 1 top pick to try draft a starter-caliber player) while simultaneously setting the Pats up with a much more valuable pick.
zamboni
Footballguy
The lows get lower, but have to admit this is pretty funny:
(apologies, Joe)
(apologies, Joe)
TomServo
Footballguy
I am presuming he was pointing to the six Jets fans.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Happy New Year, but same bad coaches, GM, and owner.
Hey Todd @rockaction , we can't kick out the Jets bums, but we can kick out the jams
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Hey Todd @rockaction , we can't kick out the Jets bums, but we can kick out the jams
MC5 - Kick out the jams
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rockaction
Footballguy
Jimmy Haslam? The stories about his meddling were legendary. Somebody got his ear and is keeping him at bay -- at best.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Happy new year fellow dejected Jet fans. Lets hope 2024 is the season 2023 was supposed to be. Trying like heck to see some silver linings on things hopefully learned:
Value of a real backup QB
Need to overhaul the OL
Need a legit #2 WR
Defense needs to be even better - have Sauce follow best player
Based on the above it is unlikely the Jets would have gone far even if Rodgers stayed healthy. They also get to keep their #1 pick which should be right around or after top 10. Hoping the above gets addressed and another entire offseason with Rodgers puts this team in a top position. Biggest concern besides the above and Rodgers health is the coaching. I just dont see how anyone could be confident in the coaching staff at this point - can Rodgers make them look better - we'll see.
Looking forward to ending this agonizing season this week - at least there is an upside to a meaningless win - get rid of the dumb streak and kick Belichick out the door for good....may be worth dropping a few spots. Either way Im just rooting for no serious injuries to any key players!
Value of a real backup QB
Need to overhaul the OL
Need a legit #2 WR
Defense needs to be even better - have Sauce follow best player
Based on the above it is unlikely the Jets would have gone far even if Rodgers stayed healthy. They also get to keep their #1 pick which should be right around or after top 10. Hoping the above gets addressed and another entire offseason with Rodgers puts this team in a top position. Biggest concern besides the above and Rodgers health is the coaching. I just dont see how anyone could be confident in the coaching staff at this point - can Rodgers make them look better - we'll see.
Looking forward to ending this agonizing season this week - at least there is an upside to a meaningless win - get rid of the dumb streak and kick Belichick out the door for good....may be worth dropping a few spots. Either way Im just rooting for no serious injuries to any key players!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This one I would address, but not make it a huge priority - cap space and draft capital needs to go into the line. Lazard isn't anything special, at all, but he's a solid possession type and a decent WR2 in an offense led by a legit QB. Conklin, Ruckert, Gibson and Brownlee all have more upside than Zach was capable of unleashing as well.
I don't think we've got anywhere close to Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall's ceiling under Zach and the bums as well. Most teams don't have young talent like that to build an offense around - the Jets just wasted it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
To be fair, Rodgers gave back a lot of money, in part to make it happen, and wanted Cook signed. Rodgers has actually been an even worse GM than Douglas.
zamboni
Footballguy
The Cook signing just adds insult to injury about the season, but at least it was a one year deal they can just wash their hands of. It’s only Woody’s money.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The one downside is it cost them Michael Carter. Carter isn’t a great RB but he’s solid depth that can play any role in the backfield.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point. I do like Izzy though and think he brings more value as a guy that can also run between the tackles more so than Carter could.
TLEF316
Footballguy
On the surface, this seems like a negative. But carter leaving stopped the idiot from using him as the 3rd down back (where he wasn't any good) and start using breece more in the passing game (where he is elite)
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Congrats Jets fans. At least you don’t have to send your 1st to the Packers now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Thanks for stopping by to **** on Jets fans. Please be way cooler when you come back next time or better yet, don't come back at all Alex.
zamboni
Footballguy
Yup, we have our own family ties here.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He seems more of a Skippy type to be honest.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I love the takes on Cook today by the media today. He's got fresh legs. Misused by the Jets. Didn't use this weapon. LMAO.
Cook is cooked. People that are saying that the Jets never gave him a chance to get in rhythm obviously didn't watch him. Dude is like carrying a piano on his back slow. He makes Le'Veon Bell look like Wile E Coyote and Roadrunner shooting through the o-line. Too bad the Jets never gave him 53 carries in a game to get him in a rhythm.
The coaching on this team is disaster. Life TLEF said above, these dopes had Michael Carter taking away precious touches from Hall on third down. Never made sense.
How long before this idiot Hackett realized that he should get the ball in the hands of Hall and Wilson? Then you have Saleh like a mummy not even stepping in and doing something about Hackett. Just keep running the same dumb plays. Long routes when our o-line couldn't protect. No help for the tackles against elite pass rushers. Short WR screens on third and long with midget WRs expected to block for the receiver. I went from like numb all season to complete vitriol.
Cook is cooked. People that are saying that the Jets never gave him a chance to get in rhythm obviously didn't watch him. Dude is like carrying a piano on his back slow. He makes Le'Veon Bell look like Wile E Coyote and Roadrunner shooting through the o-line. Too bad the Jets never gave him 53 carries in a game to get him in a rhythm.
The coaching on this team is disaster. Life TLEF said above, these dopes had Michael Carter taking away precious touches from Hall on third down. Never made sense.
How long before this idiot Hackett realized that he should get the ball in the hands of Hall and Wilson? Then you have Saleh like a mummy not even stepping in and doing something about Hackett. Just keep running the same dumb plays. Long routes when our o-line couldn't protect. No help for the tackles against elite pass rushers. Short WR screens on third and long with midget WRs expected to block for the receiver. I went from like numb all season to complete vitriol.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Mostert, Cook and Henry got in over him. I think he could have gotten in over Henry, although Breece had a good but not great season - much of which unfortunately was due to the offensive (in more ways than one) environment.
I'm more bummed that Zuerlein and Morstead made it only as alternates, but understand that in Greg's case, losing to Justin Tucker isn't exactly something to be ashamed of.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hall did a ton of work in the passing game and was much more effective there than running the football, largely because of his offensive line. He finished with PFF's highest overall receiving grade among RBs. That said, he graded out as the 27th best rusher. I know my buddy RAGE loves PFF grades to no end, so I figure this will edify his anger at Hall not being selected.
But yeah, the league rewards rushing prowess more than anything when it comes to RBs, so Hall isn't going to be there.
I'm mildly surprised Cook is there over Pacheco.
Henry I get.
I don't have a pff subscription, so I look them up one at a time, overall grade. I think it's Achane, Henry, Mostert, Pacheco, Hall and then Cook. It's a popularity contest. Why don't they wait a week ... I guess it would be a playoff distraction.
Is the grade about making splash plays, above expectation, and not leaving yards on the field? In real life, I think Hall is top 3 in the AFC. The impact of an oline, and running QB, isn't easy to measure. I'm thinking of Chase Edmonds whose stats were inflated by Murray, but then bombed in MIA, DEN, and TAM. Cook is better than Edmonds, but how good would he be in MIA or NY?
rockaction
Footballguy
It's Achane, Henry, Mostert, Pacheco, Jaylen Warren, Hall, and then Cook. Etienne is right behind Cook.
I'm not sure how they grade. I think it's a combination of factors.
I also think Hall is easily one of the best three running backs in the AFC. Shame we won't know how he would have performed behind an adequate line and without nine in the box.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
We Jet fans know what Breece is, his time will come when we have a decent QB to show him off consistently and help a lot more people win Fantasy Championships. To me he is a Top 3 guy right now. Congrats to Sauce and Q, they are the anchors, please JD every single pick and resource needs to go on Offense this offseason.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
JD had one of the worst offseasons in recent Jet history and that is saying something. The misallocation of resources was pretty mind numbing (DCook, DBrown, Lawson, CDavis, etc..). He gets a miracle mulligan going into year 6 and one can only hope he has learned his "final" lessons, but expectations are so low I doubt it. Still, he has done some good things (Sauce, Garrett, UDFA's, Adams trade) and his overall grade is somewhere in the C, C+ range.. but man, this is it, I doubt Woody extends him and Saleh, but you never know with that guy.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
That is an awful FA class that used a lot of $. Throw in the head scratching seldom used 1st rd pick and it was horrific.
JD needs to have a complete reversal and crush it this offseason and Im not sure that hes capable of that nor will they have the resources. 1st rd exit next year should not save this regime
rockaction
Footballguy
Whoa. First-round exit? The playoffs would have me deliriously happy. I think you might want to reconsider your expectations there, Kiddnets. We're lucky if we win eight games next year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Interesting article in The Athletic about Breece Hall basically acing Cook out of work.
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It's paywalled, but I've copy pasted it here.
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — The Jets had just lost 30-0 to the Dolphins, a brutal blowout to officially knock New York out of the playoffs. Dalvin Cook smiled on his way into the locker room, and laughed as a friend in Miami greeted him. Through all his frustration, Cook still seemed to always have a smile on his face.
He’d practically laugh at questions at how he was performing, because he was getting the ball so infrequently. In that Dolphins game, Cook had two touches and played 10 offensive snaps. Last week against the Browns, Cook didn’t play at all — even though he was completely healthy. None of it seemed to really bother him, or at least he didn’t show it.
In Cook’s mind, it was out of his control — and he was still getting paid, anyway. The Jets signed Cook to a one-year deal worth $5.8 million guaranteed and he’ll see all but one week’s worth of that salary after forfeiting his remaining guaranteed money this week so the team would grant his release. That ended a disappointing year for a Jets team that pursued him, at least in part, because quarterback Aaron Rodgers liked the idea of joining forces with a player who had tortured the Packers for years with the Vikings.
Cook was fresh off four straight 1,000-yard seasons, and yet the Jets couldn’t find a role for him. It’s not that hard to figure out what went wrong for Cook, even if it doesn’t excuse the Jets paying that much money — Cook was the 10th-highest-paid running back in 2023 — to a little-used backup running back.
So why didn’t it work out?
Blame Breece Hall. Or, maybe the Jets should thank him. Just imagine where the offense, one of the worst in the NFL statistically, would be without him.
When Cook visited a Jets training camp practice before signing in August, fans cheered his name and various players — including Rodgers — paid their respects to him on the sideline. When Jets coach Robert Saleh spoke with him that day, according to Saleh, he shot it straight with Cook and laid out the worst-case scenario: That Hall returned to form coming off ACL surgery, leaving Cook “standing on the sideline” and not playing much.
“To his credit, he is like: ‘Coach, I just want to win,’” Saleh said at the time.
Well, that happened — and much quicker than planned. Hall had an 83-yard run in Week 1 against the Bills and finished with 127 yards on 10 carries. Cook had 13 carries for 33 yards that game, the only time he had more than 10 carries in a game this season. Even when Hall went through his lulls, expected in Year 1 post-ACL surgery, Cook still barely played.
When the Jets cut Michael Carter on Nov. 14, the expectation was that it would lead to more playing time for Cook. He had two carries in the first game post-release against the Bills, one against the Dolphins in Week 12, nine against the Falcons in Week 13, seven against the Texans in Week 14 (for 14 yards) and one in that 30-0 Dolphins loss.
Wednesday, the Jets and Cook mutually parted ways so he could have the chance to sign with a playoff team. His Jets career ended with 67 carries for 214 yards, which ranked 79th among all rushers.
“I know he’s been hurting, not physically, but just wanting to be out there to be able to help the team, but he’s put aside all his frustrations and showed up with a smile on his face, energy and practice, and being attentive in meetings,” Saleh said on Wednesday. “He’s been an unbelievable teammate and whatever opportunity he gets, I know he’s going to be great.”
So why didn’t it work out here?
“Like we said from the beginning, as long as Breece was healthy, Breece was going to get the bigger load,” Saleh said. “Obviously in the middle of the year, we just had a significant lull, but Breece has been getting healthier and healthier and he’s our bell cow.”
It’s hard to argue with that last point: Hall over the last few weeks returned to form and has emerged as one of the NFL’s best pass-catchers out of the backfield, while improving his production as a runner too after a difficult stretch.
In Week 5 against the Broncos, Hall rushed for 177 yards on 22 carries and scored a touchdown. From Weeks 6-15, he rushed for 250 yards and averaged 2.5 yards per carry. Maybe that had to do with more than Hall coming off an ACL injury: The Jets’ run-blocking grades in that stretch, per Pro Football Focus: 50.4, 54.1, 41.4, 38.2, 57.2, 40.4, 57, 68.6 and 31.8.
“This whole season has been frustrating. I’m motivated every week,” Hall said last week. “I worked my *** off this offseason to come back. I expect to be one of the best in the league and I couldn’t really show that the whole season.”
The last two weeks, Hall has been stellar. But, really, the key to unlocking Hall’s talent started in Week 8 against the Giants, when offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett finally made him a more significant part of the passing game. Since then, Hall has been on a tear: He has 61 catches for 466 yards and four touchdowns, catapulting him into the NFL lead in receiving yards (579) among running backs, and second in receptions (74). In Week 16 against Washington, Hall had 12 catches on 16 targets for 96 yards, adding 95 rushing yards and two touchdowns.
For the season, Hall has 1,395 yards from scrimmage (816 rushing, 579 receiving) and if he gets to 1,500 yards, he’d be the first Jets running back to do it since Thomas Jones in 2008, and only the fourth in team history. Curtis Martin accomplished the feat six times, Jones once and Freeman McNeil once in 1985.
PFF grades Hall as the eighth-best running back with at least 150 carries, and
he’s the fifth-best in that group in terms of yards after contact per attempt (3.31). He also has the best breakaway percentage in that group, which PFF measures as rushing yards on designed attempts gaining more than 15 yards. And Hall has the third-best elusive rating, which is success and impact of a runner with the ball independent of the blocking. That’s relevant, considering the Jets’ run-blocking issues this season.
“I think it takes time for these ACL injuries,” Saleh said “Remember, he missed all of OTAs, missed all the training camp, just trying to train. Not to give him an out or anything, but at the same time I do think he’s improved so much in terms of just not being satisfied … understanding to take what the defense gives and your athleticism will do the rest, so he is lowering his shoulder. He is getting vertical. He is being opportunistic in terms of finding lanes and clear space to run through and he’s been doing an awesome job the last few weeks. He looks awesome.”
Why didn't Dalvin Cook work out for the Jets? Blame (or thank) Breece Hall
The Jets waived Cook this week after Hall became their bell cow at running back, making a speedy return to form after ACL surgery.
theathletic.com
It's paywalled, but I've copy pasted it here.
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — The Jets had just lost 30-0 to the Dolphins, a brutal blowout to officially knock New York out of the playoffs. Dalvin Cook smiled on his way into the locker room, and laughed as a friend in Miami greeted him. Through all his frustration, Cook still seemed to always have a smile on his face.
He’d practically laugh at questions at how he was performing, because he was getting the ball so infrequently. In that Dolphins game, Cook had two touches and played 10 offensive snaps. Last week against the Browns, Cook didn’t play at all — even though he was completely healthy. None of it seemed to really bother him, or at least he didn’t show it.
In Cook’s mind, it was out of his control — and he was still getting paid, anyway. The Jets signed Cook to a one-year deal worth $5.8 million guaranteed and he’ll see all but one week’s worth of that salary after forfeiting his remaining guaranteed money this week so the team would grant his release. That ended a disappointing year for a Jets team that pursued him, at least in part, because quarterback Aaron Rodgers liked the idea of joining forces with a player who had tortured the Packers for years with the Vikings.
Cook was fresh off four straight 1,000-yard seasons, and yet the Jets couldn’t find a role for him. It’s not that hard to figure out what went wrong for Cook, even if it doesn’t excuse the Jets paying that much money — Cook was the 10th-highest-paid running back in 2023 — to a little-used backup running back.
So why didn’t it work out?
Blame Breece Hall. Or, maybe the Jets should thank him. Just imagine where the offense, one of the worst in the NFL statistically, would be without him.
When Cook visited a Jets training camp practice before signing in August, fans cheered his name and various players — including Rodgers — paid their respects to him on the sideline. When Jets coach Robert Saleh spoke with him that day, according to Saleh, he shot it straight with Cook and laid out the worst-case scenario: That Hall returned to form coming off ACL surgery, leaving Cook “standing on the sideline” and not playing much.
“To his credit, he is like: ‘Coach, I just want to win,’” Saleh said at the time.
Well, that happened — and much quicker than planned. Hall had an 83-yard run in Week 1 against the Bills and finished with 127 yards on 10 carries. Cook had 13 carries for 33 yards that game, the only time he had more than 10 carries in a game this season. Even when Hall went through his lulls, expected in Year 1 post-ACL surgery, Cook still barely played.
When the Jets cut Michael Carter on Nov. 14, the expectation was that it would lead to more playing time for Cook. He had two carries in the first game post-release against the Bills, one against the Dolphins in Week 12, nine against the Falcons in Week 13, seven against the Texans in Week 14 (for 14 yards) and one in that 30-0 Dolphins loss.
Wednesday, the Jets and Cook mutually parted ways so he could have the chance to sign with a playoff team. His Jets career ended with 67 carries for 214 yards, which ranked 79th among all rushers.
“I know he’s been hurting, not physically, but just wanting to be out there to be able to help the team, but he’s put aside all his frustrations and showed up with a smile on his face, energy and practice, and being attentive in meetings,” Saleh said on Wednesday. “He’s been an unbelievable teammate and whatever opportunity he gets, I know he’s going to be great.”
So why didn’t it work out here?
“Like we said from the beginning, as long as Breece was healthy, Breece was going to get the bigger load,” Saleh said. “Obviously in the middle of the year, we just had a significant lull, but Breece has been getting healthier and healthier and he’s our bell cow.”
It’s hard to argue with that last point: Hall over the last few weeks returned to form and has emerged as one of the NFL’s best pass-catchers out of the backfield, while improving his production as a runner too after a difficult stretch.
In Week 5 against the Broncos, Hall rushed for 177 yards on 22 carries and scored a touchdown. From Weeks 6-15, he rushed for 250 yards and averaged 2.5 yards per carry. Maybe that had to do with more than Hall coming off an ACL injury: The Jets’ run-blocking grades in that stretch, per Pro Football Focus: 50.4, 54.1, 41.4, 38.2, 57.2, 40.4, 57, 68.6 and 31.8.
“This whole season has been frustrating. I’m motivated every week,” Hall said last week. “I worked my *** off this offseason to come back. I expect to be one of the best in the league and I couldn’t really show that the whole season.”
The last two weeks, Hall has been stellar. But, really, the key to unlocking Hall’s talent started in Week 8 against the Giants, when offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett finally made him a more significant part of the passing game. Since then, Hall has been on a tear: He has 61 catches for 466 yards and four touchdowns, catapulting him into the NFL lead in receiving yards (579) among running backs, and second in receptions (74). In Week 16 against Washington, Hall had 12 catches on 16 targets for 96 yards, adding 95 rushing yards and two touchdowns.
For the season, Hall has 1,395 yards from scrimmage (816 rushing, 579 receiving) and if he gets to 1,500 yards, he’d be the first Jets running back to do it since Thomas Jones in 2008, and only the fourth in team history. Curtis Martin accomplished the feat six times, Jones once and Freeman McNeil once in 1985.
PFF grades Hall as the eighth-best running back with at least 150 carries, and
he’s the fifth-best in that group in terms of yards after contact per attempt (3.31). He also has the best breakaway percentage in that group, which PFF measures as rushing yards on designed attempts gaining more than 15 yards. And Hall has the third-best elusive rating, which is success and impact of a runner with the ball independent of the blocking. That’s relevant, considering the Jets’ run-blocking issues this season.
“I think it takes time for these ACL injuries,” Saleh said “Remember, he missed all of OTAs, missed all the training camp, just trying to train. Not to give him an out or anything, but at the same time I do think he’s improved so much in terms of just not being satisfied … understanding to take what the defense gives and your athleticism will do the rest, so he is lowering his shoulder. He is getting vertical. He is being opportunistic in terms of finding lanes and clear space to run through and he’s been doing an awesome job the last few weeks. He looks awesome.”
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Normally Id agree - but Rodgers in not going to be around for more than a year or 2. They need to at least show that they can be a Super Bowl contender next year or whats the point. If they miss the playoffs I think everyone agrees they should clean house. Gets more complicated if they back into the playoffs with 8 wins and get crushed in WC.
rockaction
Footballguy
Nobody is getting into the playoffs with eight wins in the AFC next year if you ask me. Conference is loaded.
But we're hashing out details when your general premise is likely correct. If they get in the playoffs and are one-and-done, they probably don't run it back a third year.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I am still excited to see what Garrett Wilson and Breece can do with a healthy Arod. We got cheated out of an entire season but it happens. Its really all about the OL this offseason. JD has to make it the #1 priority or Rodgers will not make it through the season again.
I can see replacing 1 or even 2 starters - but JD is looking at a full revamp of the OL except AVT and Tippman. That is not going to be an easy task
I can see replacing 1 or even 2 starters - but JD is looking at a full revamp of the OL except AVT and Tippman. That is not going to be an easy task
NYRAGE
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
And we might be drafting low (high?) enough that the franchise tackles aren't going to make it to us.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
But Charlie Brown Jets fan, Joe Douglas will get it right in his sixth season. It's the magical 5th year of failure that will make everything suddenly fall into place.
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Football- The Peanuts Movie clip.
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
But we'll be in a great spot to get that DT that Saleh wants
rockaction
Footballguy
Some of us thought that would happen when they hired a defensive coordinator. We (well, I did) argued that his focus would be on the defensive line given that he's a former defensive line coach. And voila! Will McDonald IV!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Agreed - a defensive minded HC should not need all these top picks to run a defense. That McDonald pick really bothers me when the O is so awful
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Yeah, you know how I feel about that garbage site PFF.
I don't care what PFF says. I have my own eyes and I watch every game. Maybe not focused on every individual player, but I do roll out enough screens for every game. I certainly watch the Jets carefully (unfortunately).
Breece is better Cook (both of them), Pacheco, and Henry. Not prime Henry, but the carcass from this year. I love Pacheco's toughness, but he runs like a violent headless chicken on pcp (maybe brainless the way he straps in that helmet, but damn he loves how those long braids look in the mirror).
My own eyes tell me that Mosley is a bum btw. He might be a good leader, but he couldn't cover you on a wheel route. He gets a lot of downfield tackles run right at him, too. We don't even get 50% of value from his contract.
rockaction
Footballguy
You don't have to tell me. I think Breece is second only to McCaffrey in the NFL right now. PFF loves them some Achane, but let's see him hold up for more than three games before we throw him in the mix of AFC rushers.
I love Mostert. Have been a believer since that Green Bay NFCCG. But Breece is better.
That said, Breece didn't put up the raw numbers rushing to get into the Pro Bowl, it would seem. He had barely over 800 yards to finish in 22nd in the NFL so far. Not gonna get it done. Cook has over a thousand, as does Henry, as does Mostert.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He started coming on in the second half of the season, and they're likely to lose Huff. Don't get me wrong, OL or WR should have been the way to go - but the Jets defense is built around having a strong pass rush, so the pick wasn't a total bust, assuming he builds on this year.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Weird strategy. A lot of the Jets moves were a go-for it this year kind of move, yet this pick was for the future (and they played him like it was).
I get the concept of drafting guys to be cheaper replacements in the future, but it just went against everything else they did.
J Johnson turned out to be a great pick. Now what happens to Huff? Let him walk and hope McDonald can replace him? Too bad JD will pee away a lot of money elsewhere like he did this year. It's like none of their moves are made in synch. Just one at a time. Sign Cook (he was already on the decline) and then don't use him, but use Carter instead of Hall on third down. Don't cut Lawson. and then don't use him. Could have saved money cutting C Davis. Then he retires anyway. Too many of these examples.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Cook has more combined yards (another 100, but hello, a Josh Allen led offense), so I'll give him that. It's not a rushing back though (as you know). It's a running back as in run with carries and receptions. Breece has 1400 coming off an acl tear where his coach babied him at first and well you know what the offense situation was like. No need to tell you. Don't want anyone throwing up their lunch.
Totally agree about Achane. Sure, run fast....into the medical tent.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think we agree that Breece is awesome.
I don't think we disagree on anything, really, only that my point is that the Pro Bowl voters look at rushing yards. I can't change that.
It's always that way for two-dimensional backs who somehow get labelled as "soft" or "lesser" because of their prowess in the passing game. People don't think of them as pure runners. Roger Craig (who is Breece's uncle) and Marshall Faulk had to shed that label, IIRC, and look how good they were. All-timers. Hall's electric. He could really be an all-timer if given a QB and a line. Anyway, enough said by me.
I don't think we disagree on anything, really, only that my point is that the Pro Bowl voters look at rushing yards. I can't change that.
It's always that way for two-dimensional backs who somehow get labelled as "soft" or "lesser" because of their prowess in the passing game. People don't think of them as pure runners. Roger Craig (who is Breece's uncle) and Marshall Faulk had to shed that label, IIRC, and look how good they were. All-timers. Hall's electric. He could really be an all-timer if given a QB and a line. Anyway, enough said by me.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Every team is one QB injury away from a 4-7 win season.. we need a viable backup in the worst way
Kiddnets
Footballguy
If they franchise Huff and can trade him for a premium pick that would help, Agree that its too early to call him a bust but I think a Defensive HC like Saleh should scheme a pass rush and give the depleted O some help. Especially with a 2 yr window.
Gotta figure this year they go all in on helping the O.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The SF defense was based on having four great pass rushers getting pressure with very little blitzing. Obviously it doesn't take a defesive genius to come up with a scheme like that - but when you can pull it off you get the best of both worlds.
I'm starting to feel icky defending Salah and Douglas in here - but I do think some of the attacks are a little off-base. Like I said this is a results based league though and their results are terrible, so by all rights the Jets should be cleaning house and firing everybody - but we all know who's really running the team now .
sheerterror
Footballguy
They did literally that with the undrafted Bryce Huff! This was also one of my huge beefs with the Bowels-McCrapgnon error.....not one but TWO top 40 picks on SAFETIES and our HC was a freakin' SECONDARY COACH! How many regimes have to continually mismanage the high pick assets we are constantly gifted due to this inferior on field product?
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