2024-25 NBA Thread: Big weekend for Halliburtons (201 Viewers)

[identikit]

Mavs playing some inspired ball tonight

 

[Yo Mama]

Mavs playing some inspired ball tonight

Max Christie is a difference maker.

 

[Major]

Tonight is the first game I've ever seen a tech called for flopping (on fan favorite Dillon Brooks). I hope the refs start calling this type of thing more often.

 

[Instinctive]

The Hornets got more draft capital for Mark Williams than the Mavs got for Luka lol.

That's what I was thinking. These seem like the left over assets they were prepared to trade for Luka.

But they had to get a big and supply was dwindling. I’m OK with it. Knecht was a very promising shooter but with Luka they have enough of those. Williams has to stay healthy, which seems to be hard for bigs. Embid, Davis etc. Dice the Lakers had to roll

I don't know that they had to roll it now. But Luka kinda said jump and Pelinka said how high. It's an overpay, seems like they at least could have made the 2031 protected in some way or not given them the swap (even if they think it won't get used because of the state of the teams when it hits). I guess maybe they paid extra to get rid of Redish's contract to give them a bit more room to hire a cast off here in the next few weeks.

I doubt Luka said jump.

I wouldn't be worried about protected picks in the next 7-ish years, none of them should be good enough to meet any protection.

It was a soft request. They do need to keep this guy happy to lessen whatever probability there is he just walks as soon as his contract allows. So it doesn't surprise me Pelinka would semi-panic in response to Luka letting him know who he works best with. What's funny (or sad for us Laker fans) is the implication that Charlotte played Pelinka in a somewhat like manner to how Pelinka supposedly played Nico.

The thing is, I don’t know what’s really out there besides Williams with that skill set that they could match salaries with. Centers these days are a weird weird market.

FWIW I think the more pertinent point is the Lakers and Luka think he’s healthy and presumably in shape. You only do this trade if you think you’re competing for the title this year.

Yeah, lots of the other center options have higher salaries, so the lakers would have had to send out a rotation player (Rui, Vando, Vincent) to make salaries work. And since they’re a first apron team that gets super tricky.

Surprised they couldn't get lively or Gafford in the Luka deal, shoulda been easy given Livelys injury history and how scared Nico is of young talented players.

My assumption is that the talk about there originally being a bigger Mavs/Lakers deal including the 2031 pick and Knecht included one of those centers, but then they made it smaller. It wasn’t like everything was originally included just for Luka and Pelinka used his amazing negotiating powers to remove stuff only from the lakers side of the deal.

No I think it pretty much was

 

[Instinctive]

Tonight is the first game I've ever seen a tech called for flopping (on fan favorite Dillon Brooks). I hope the refs start calling this type of thing more often.

Dude we saw Dort get called for one love, and he got pissed and did it again the literally next possession but rather than T2 eject him they called an offensive foul. Arena went nuts.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

The Indiana Pacers are trading James Wiseman and cash to the Toronto Raptors, sources tell ESPN.

I could see Winston making a difference for Indiana. He could actually get them going in a huddle Ted talk or two, you never know.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

What a wild deadline.

The NFL can't love this.

Yeah no question. If I'm Roger Goodell, I get on the horn with Peewee Herman right quick. Maybe even see a movie together.

 

[Frostillicus]

Rockets/Wolves is fun.

 

[Major]

Rockets/Wolves is fun.

Not so much for me seeing Ant and co. just run circles around us in the 4th. What a player

 

[Zow]

Big win! Woke up Little Woz for the end of this one.

 

[Frostillicus]

Rockets/Wolves is fun.

Not so much for me seeing Ant and co. just run circles around us in the 4th. What a player

Lol it was tied when I posted that. Wolves were up 10 about 5 seconds later.

 

[Zow]

Rockets/Wolves is fun.

Not so much for me seeing Ant and co. just run circles around us in the 4th. What a player

Lol it was tied when I posted that. Wolves were up 10 about 5 seconds later.

Edwards went Superman for a bit there.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

A few months ago, here's what LeBron Jameis had to say about drafting Knecht and how the other 16 teams "F'd up"...

10 second YouTube interview.

 

[General Malaise]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

 

[Zow]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

Summer Sanders

 

[General Malaise]

Let's see if these young Blazers can close out Sacramento. Good one in Portland, tonight.

Scoot can now shoot!

 

[Harry Frogfish]

So is it true JJ Redick saw AD as lazy with weak leadership skills? Sure, LeBron had to have a say but to what degree, will likely never come out. Doesn't matter.

Lakers got a good deal it seems, if AD is the old Cadillac he appears to be. He'll ride it out but he's not carrying any team to a Championship.

Cuban signing off on it surprises me the most.

 

[thecatch]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

 

[Yo Mama]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

Jason Williams?

 

[Gr00vus]

In the end, tonight was a good night for those who don't love Draymond's antics.

 

[Yo Mama]

Cuban signing off on it surprises me the most.

Surprised him too.

 

[Yo Mama]

LeBron passed “old yellow eyes” as the oldest player ever to score over 40 points in a game. He’s just crazy to watch. 42/17/8. Jeez.

 

[thecatch]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

Jason Williams?

He’s probably up there. FBG favorite Kevin Martin. Brian Grant, Haliburton. edit: forgot Hedo and Gerald Wallace. Man, the Kings had a nice stretch where they were actually good at this stuff.

 

[Gr00vus]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

Jason Williams?

He’s probably up there. FBG favorite Kevin Martin. Brian Grant.

Phil Ford and Otis Birdsong from the KC days were pretty good.

 

[trader jake]

The Indiana Pacers are trading James Wiseman and cash to the Toronto Raptors, sources tell ESPN.

I could see Winston making a difference for Indiana. He could actually get them going in a huddle Ted talk or two, you never know.

If that's what they're looking for, they added the wrong JW. They'd get more bang for their buck by signing Jameis Winston.

What a wild deadline.

The NFL can't love this.

Yeah no question. If I'm Roger Goodell, I get on the horn with Peewee Herman right quick. Maybe even see a movie together.

RIP Pee-Wee

Would love to see the NFLPA go at Clown Nose Rog with the ol' "I know you are, but what am I?"

 

[Jayrod]

In the end, tonight was a good night for those who don't love Draymond's antics.

I watched the clip, he earned a technical a full minute before they finally gave him one.

NBA refs are gutless when it comes to dealing with him. I don't get it.

 

[Instinctive]

So is it true JJ Redick saw AD as lazy with weak leadership skills? Sure, LeBron had to have a say but to what degree, will likely never come out. Doesn't matter.

Lakers got a good deal it seems, if AD is the old Cadillac he appears to be. He'll ride it out but he's not carrying any team to a Championship.

Cuban signing off on it surprises me the most.

Where have you been lol

Cuban doesn't run the team, also surprised/pissed/confused

LeBron by every account was also surprised

"Got a good deal it seems" understatement of the century.

 

[identikit]

Mavs playing some inspired ball tonight

Max Christie is a difference maker.

He had a solid game

 

[CletiusMaximus]

LeBron passed “old yellow eyes” as the oldest player ever to score over 40 points in a game. He’s just crazy to watch. 42/17/8. Jeez.

Here’s one I saw on twitter -

Patrick Surtain Sr. made the Pro Bowl the same year LeBron averaged 27-7-7 per game.

Patrick Surtain Jr. won Defensive Player of the Year the same year LeBron is averaging 24-8-9 per game.

 

[Kanil]

Are there any players left to trade today?

Vucevic seems primed to move. The Lakers were a good destination before their trade with Charlotte.

Denver would be a nice place. Vooch seems willing to be Jokic's backup with no complaints. I don't know how the salaries would match up.

The Nuggets don't have the matching salary unless it was a 4 for 1 trade (including the awful salaries of Nnaji and Saric) and they also don't have any middling picks to throw in.

FWIW, I don't think the Nuggets are ever going to try and get a real backup center again as they have failed every time other than Cousins back like 4 years ago and Gordon at backup 5 in the playoffs is a great solution.

I know this is a late reply but I think they're hoping Daron Holmes is that guy. Before he hurt his achilles he was showing a lot of potential. Hopefully he continues that when he comes back next year.

 

[Juxtatarot]

@Mister CIA I’m curious what your opinion is of Tre Jones. Apparently the Bulls are considering keeping him. I’m not crazy about a PG who doesn’t shot threes though.

 

[Capella]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

 

[Sammy3469]

Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?

Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

Jason Williams?

He’s probably up there. FBG favorite Kevin Martin. Brian Grant.

Phil Ford and Otis Birdsong from the KC days were pretty good.

You went there, but forgot the Big O when they were still in Cincy.

 

[Sammy3469]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

Cuban selling this team is still arguably more shocking to me than this trade.

 

[Mister CIA]

@Mister CIA I’m curious what your opinion is of Tre Jones. Apparently the Bulls are considering keeping him. I’m not crazy about a PG who doesn’t shot threes though.

Servicable backup, probably slots about 9th or 10th in the rotation of a good team He's small, but has ability to get to the hoop for some nice layups, but his 3-point shot lacks. He'll be coming off a two-year $20M contract after this season. I'm not sure what proper value is for a solid backup PG these days, but somewhere a little south of this probably on point (or more on a shorter contract, like the previous 2-year deal). Overall decent, but not anything to get excited about.

EDIT: just took a peak at his career stats: 30.2 % from 3 is ungood, but 48.1% overall FG for a 6'1" guy is mildly impressive. He just turned 25, so it might make some sense to resign him with hopes he can develop a 3.

 

[Capella]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

Cuban selling this team is still arguably more shocking to me than this trade.

Yea I still don’t really know what that’s about. Not like he needed *more* money and he seemed to really enjoy it. He used to joke he’d get rid of his wife before Luka. Why sell? I get billions but he had billions.

 

[Kiddnets]

Does anyone know if there is a mandatory floor to the NBA cap? Nets have $90M in space after this season - thx Ben - and just wondering how much if any they need to spend as they will likely be tanking one more year.

 

[thecatch]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?

 

[Instinctive]

Does anyone know if there is a mandatory floor to the NBA cap? Nets have $90M in space after this season - thx Ben - and just wondering how much if any they need to spend as they will likely be tanking one more year.

Yes there's a floor. If you don't reach it, every guy on your team gets a pro rata raise for the gap from payroll to floor.

 

[thecatch]

Does anyone know if there is a mandatory floor to the NBA cap? Nets have $90M in space after this season - thx Ben - and just wondering how much if any they need to spend as they will likely be tanking one more year.

there is

 

[Sammy3469]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?

My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.

 

[Capella]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?

Mavs fans have to be cursing him

 

[Capella]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?

My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.

Definitely did. If I had to draft sports owners least likely to sell he would’ve been a top-3 pick. Baffling.

 

[msudaisy26]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

Cuban selling this team is still arguably more shocking to me than this trade.

He is playing chess. Sell it to dumb owners, when they ruin the team he buys his share back cheaper.

 

[Zow]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

Cuban selling this team is still arguably more shocking to me than this trade.

He is playing chess. Sell it to dumb owners, when they ruin the team he buys his share back cheaper.

Unfortunately the dumb owners just traded away his Queen.

 

[msudaisy26]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

Cuban selling this team is still arguably more shocking to me than this trade.

He is playing chess. Sell it to dumb owners, when they ruin the team he buys his share back cheaper.

Unfortunately the dumb owners just traded away his Queen.

All apart of his plan!

 

[thecatch]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?

My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.

I don't think he's in control of anything. He still owns a minority share so he gets good seats. The claim he'd still be involved in management was always weird - nobody spends billions to buy a business and lets the seller stay in charge.

 

[Instinctive]

Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.

He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?

My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.

Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.

 

[Capella]

42-17(!!!!!)-8 for Lebron last night. Are we sure he shouldn’t be in MVP talks??

 

[Kev4029]

Are there any players left to trade today?

Vucevic seems primed to move. The Lakers were a good destination before their trade with Charlotte.

Denver would be a nice place. Vooch seems willing to be Jokic's backup with no complaints. I don't know how the salaries would match up.

The Nuggets don't have the matching salary unless it was a 4 for 1 trade (including the awful salaries of Nnaji and Saric) and they also don't have any middling picks to throw in.

FWIW, I don't think the Nuggets are ever going to try and get a real backup center again as they have failed every time other than Cousins back like 4 years ago and Gordon at backup 5 in the playoffs is a great solution.

I know this is a late reply but I think they're hoping Daron Holmes is that guy. Before he hurt his achilles he was showing a lot of potential. Hopefully he continues that when he comes back next year.

For sure. The idea of Holmes is exactly what they need too. Somebody that can credibly play backup 5 and run the court, play on the perimeter a bit, rebound for his position, and be a PnR threat in that role, but also play some next to Jokic because of his passable perimeter game, secondary rim protection, and his ability to play in the dunker spot.