2024-25 NBA Thread: Big weekend for Halliburtons (127 Viewers)

[Chemical X]

dolan is always active with the nyk, but since he hired rose in 2020? it’s pretty much been rose’s show, which is why the nyk are somewhat relevant now. thibs is a good coach, but the team was low pace and bottom of 3s attempted. defensively, they never seemed to have a plan, certainly not against indy. kat is defensively limited, he just doesn’t move well, but thibs rarely, if at all, used kat and robinson together during the regular season. achiuwa disappeared too. thibs just couldn’t get the most of the rooster IMO. i believe malone will be next up. isn’t he a CAA repped guy?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I hope the Knicks don't hire Thomas

I was joking- as odd as James Dolan is, Thomas was a stain on the Knicks during his time in charge. There’s no chance he’s brought back.

 

[identikit]

Stevens may be a savant.

But there's a reason he quit coaching

He wasn't able to coach the modern-day NBA player effectively

Not a negative necessarily

Just a very difficult thing to do

 

[Capella]

Am I the only one who thinks they’re going to go after Jay Wright to complete the Villanova thing?

Has Jay Wright expressed ANY interest in the NBA?

Not saying he’d take it but think the Knicks will try.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Questions from the Avg NBA fan to all you sharpies

-Were the Knicks set to fire Thibs before the Playoffs even started?
Denver fired theirs right as the Playoffs were set to start, they didn't want a deep Playoff run to cloud the decision they made based on the regular season
What if the Knicks made the Finals, would they have still have fired Thibs?

-Did the Knicks discover something about Thibs in this Playoff run that diminished their faith in his abilities?
Knicks under Thibs went 37-45 his 1st year, Semi-Finals seasons 2 and 3,then Conf Finals in Season 4 after 25 years of misery including Carmelo Anthony and his run there
I find it hard to believe that losing to the Pacers in the Conf Finals was the Thib'ing point

-They want to entice a potential "Star" player and don't want Thibs to be any type of obstacle to getting that player?
The Knicks would likely trade everyone to the Bucks in order to get Giannis
Thibs plays his starters 88 minutes a night according to Ernie and the TNT Crew, many players do not want to sign up for the nightly grind as a starter for Thibs

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Am I the only one who thinks they’re going to go after Jay Wright to complete the Villanova thing?

Has Jay Wright expressed ANY interest in the NBA?

Not saying he’d take it but think the Knicks will try.

He’s second in betting odds behind Malone.

 

[identikit]

I don't think Malone's the guy

Thibs and him, very similar types

Malone was fired because of issues with the players, for the most part

 

[the moops]

We're talking about a team that went 50-32 during the regular season that is now representing the East.

46-18 since the calendar turned to 2025

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Am I the only one who thinks they’re going to go after Jay Wright to complete the Villanova thing?

Has Jay Wright expressed ANY interest in the NBA?

There is a clip floating around the webz of him saying if he wanted to coach in the NBA, he would like to coach the Knicks.

 

[Kiddnets]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

As for the Nets - the trade is still a win but not as big as expected - the trade allowed them to "tank" but for whatever reason they refused to embrace it and won a bunch of meaningless games to combine with bad lotto luck at they only have the 8th overall to show for tanking. Throw in they traded what they believed were more but less value Phx picks who proceeded to bottom out and land only 2 picks worse than the Nets.

Nets now have 5 of the top 36 picks to start a real rebuild - I think they'll pkg a few along with possible Cam Johnson and Claxton to move up and get some higher prospects - would love a trade up to #2/3 as MArks extensively scouted the Rutgers duo. They still have another season to tank but it will be much more enjoyable with real rebuilding blocks vs the bunch of unknowns this year.

In addition they still have 3 future Knicks picks - 2027, 2029 and 2031 - so hoping they crater ala the Nets after trading for KG/Pierce and Harden deals but usually they are not that lucky - cant believe its their 1st lottery pick in a decade despite being so bad.

 

[Zow]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

I think Bridges can be the third option on a championship team. Has to be the right fit. I also don't think the trade was bad for NYK. Their conundrum with Bridges though is that he's coming into the last year of the deal so they need to decide whether to extend him and therefore commit to him, or let him walk. I could see a team like San Antonio or Houston explore some interest.

 

[scoobus]

Uhhhhh I don't think you can trade 5 first-round picks for a guy and then just let him walk.

 

[Zow]

Uhhhhh I don't think you can trade 5 first-round picks for a guy and then just let him walk.

Agreed. So they need to resign him or do a sign and trade or something. I interpreted Kiddnets' post as suggesting he would be leaving, but I may be misinterpreting.

 

[Sammy3469]

Uhhhhh I don't think you can trade 5 first-round picks for a guy and then just let him walk.

Yeah...the Thibs move certainly seems like choosing Bridges/KAT (or whatever talent they bring in for them) over Thibs. I certainly don't think this is the last big move the Knicks make this offseason.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

As for the Nets - the trade is still a win but not as big as expected - the trade allowed them to "tank" but for whatever reason they refused to embrace it and won a bunch of meaningless games to combine with bad lotto luck at they only have the 8th overall to show for tanking. Throw in they traded what they believed were more but less value Phx picks who proceeded to bottom out and land only 2 picks worse than the Nets.

Nets now have 5 of the top 36 picks to start a real rebuild - I think they'll pkg a few along with possible Cam Johnson and Claxton to move up and get some higher prospects - would love a trade up to #2/3 as MArks extensively scouted the Rutgers duo. They still have another season to tank but it will be much more enjoyable with real rebuilding blocks vs the bunch of unknowns this year.

In addition they still have 3 future Knicks picks - 2027, 2029 and 2031 - so hoping they crater ala the Nets after trading for KG/Pierce and Harden deals but usually they are not that lucky - cant believe its their 1st lottery pick in a decade despite being so bad.

Yea, I think a trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick where Sixers get 1-2 of those picks plus players could work.

 

[Kiddnets]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

I think Bridges can be the third option on a championship team. Has to be the right fit. I also don't think the trade was bad for NYK. Their conundrum with Bridges though is that he's coming into the last year of the deal so they need to decide whether to extend him and therefore commit to him, or let him walk. I could see a team like San Antonio or Houston explore some interest.

Didnt mean to indicate they would or he would walk - I definitely dont see that. More of a what else can they do to improve and get over the hump without many assets after the monster trade

 

[Kiddnets]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

As for the Nets - the trade is still a win but not as big as expected - the trade allowed them to "tank" but for whatever reason they refused to embrace it and won a bunch of meaningless games to combine with bad lotto luck at they only have the 8th overall to show for tanking. Throw in they traded what they believed were more but less value Phx picks who proceeded to bottom out and land only 2 picks worse than the Nets.

Nets now have 5 of the top 36 picks to start a real rebuild - I think they'll pkg a few along with possible Cam Johnson and Claxton to move up and get some higher prospects - would love a trade up to #2/3 as MArks extensively scouted the Rutgers duo. They still have another season to tank but it will be much more enjoyable with real rebuilding blocks vs the bunch of unknowns this year.

In addition they still have 3 future Knicks picks - 2027, 2029 and 2031 - so hoping they crater ala the Nets after trading for KG/Pierce and Harden deals but usually they are not that lucky - cant believe its their 1st lottery pick in a decade despite being so bad.

Yea, I think a trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick where Sixers get 1-2 of those picks plus players could work.

Would rather have the #2 with Spurs for Harper but Id consider a trade up using Cam Johnson and another pick or 2 - Really hope they can use the 19 and 25/26 picks rather than the #8 as they really could use 2 top 10 picks to jumpstart the rebuild.

 

[Zow]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

I think Bridges can be the third option on a championship team. Has to be the right fit. I also don't think the trade was bad for NYK. Their conundrum with Bridges though is that he's coming into the last year of the deal so they need to decide whether to extend him and therefore commit to him, or let him walk. I could see a team like San Antonio or Houston explore some interest.

Didnt mean to indicate they would or he would walk - I definitely dont see that. More of a what else can they do to improve and get over the hump without many assets after the monster trade

Ah, I misunderstood then.

 

[the moops]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

 

[scoobus]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

As for the Nets - the trade is still a win but not as big as expected - the trade allowed them to "tank" but for whatever reason they refused to embrace it and won a bunch of meaningless games to combine with bad lotto luck at they only have the 8th overall to show for tanking. Throw in they traded what they believed were more but less value Phx picks who proceeded to bottom out and land only 2 picks worse than the Nets.

Nets now have 5 of the top 36 picks to start a real rebuild - I think they'll pkg a few along with possible Cam Johnson and Claxton to move up and get some higher prospects - would love a trade up to #2/3 as MArks extensively scouted the Rutgers duo. They still have another season to tank but it will be much more enjoyable with real rebuilding blocks vs the bunch of unknowns this year.

In addition they still have 3 future Knicks picks - 2027, 2029 and 2031 - so hoping they crater ala the Nets after trading for KG/Pierce and Harden deals but usually they are not that lucky - cant believe its their 1st lottery pick in a decade despite being so bad.

Yea, I think a trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick where Sixers get 1-2 of those picks plus players could work.

Would rather have the #2 with Spurs for Harper but Id consider a trade up using Cam Johnson and another pick or 2 - Really hope they can use the 19 and 25/26 picks rather than the #8 as they really could use 2 top 10 picks to jumpstart the rebuild.

I feel like trades like this in the NBA are super uncommon. Draft picks are just worth exponentially more the higher up in the lottery you go. Honestly I'm not sure Cam Johnson + 8 + 19 + 25/26 even gets you the #2 or 3.

 

[scoobus]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

SGA seems semi-homebrewed, but yes he was technically traded for.

 

[Sammy3469]

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

SGA seems semi-homebrewed, but yes he was technically traded for.

I was going to say that and Halliburton as well. More than anything both these teams basically landed on a bunch of SGs in recent drafts still on rookie deals who they could then supplement with targeted FA signings/trades (Caruso, Hartenstein, Siakim) Very similar builds in that regard which the CBA seems to really support.

 

[msudaisy26]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

 

[Redwes25]

idges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable ***

Uhhhhh I don't think you can trade 5 first-round picks for a guy and then just let him walk.

Yeah...the Thibs move certainly seems like choosing Bridges/KAT (or whatever talent they bring in for them) over Thibs. I certainly don't think this is the last big move the Knicks make this offseason.

I agree with this. We are going with this core and trying to find a new coach to get more out of them. I don't see them making a big move this offseason.

 

[thecatch]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

I don't agree. I think it's been fantastic for parity.

 

[mr. furley]

Uhhhhh I don't think you can trade 5 first-round picks for a guy and then just let him walk.

this is the NBA... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!

 

[mr. furley]

this might get lost in the wash of Thibs chat but thought it was interesting

Mid-Major Basketball Boosters Buy Italian Team To Create Pro Pipeline For Iona Players And Recruits

If you choose to play college basketball at Iona University, you are already ahead of the curve when it comes to a professional career. Two prominent

brobible.com

wonder if any other schools and/or pro teams will follow this model and attempt to create a minor-league system of affiliated schools?

 

[Yo Mama]

Uhhhhh I don't think you can trade 5 first-round picks for a guy and then just let him walk.

this is the NBA... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!

Exactly. Case in point. multiple teams have given rich extensions to their coaches and fired them before the extensions even kick in (like Thibs).

 

[McBokonon]

Suns hire Jordan Ott. Ishiba seems to know him from his MSU days so seems like he just hired a guy he’s familiar with.

 

[msudaisy26]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

I don't agree. I think it's been fantastic for parity.

Until (insert your favorite team) gets gutted by the new CBA. Teams should be rewarded for drafting well, making good trades and free agent signings. Not forced to trade their players or pay a billion dollars in luxury taxes. There has to be a happy medium.

 

[Redwes25]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

I don't agree. I think it's been fantastic for parity.

Until (insert your favorite team) gets gutted by the new CBA. Teams should be rewarded for drafting well, making good trades and free agent signings. Not forced to trade their players or pay a billion dollars in luxury taxes. There has to be a happy medium.

I don't mind the idea of Luxury taxes. A team wants to pay it so what as it allows other teams to get extra revenue and compete (especially with the floor they now have). I think it is the "apron" stuff that is the real problem.

 

[msudaisy26]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

I don't agree. I think it's been fantastic for parity.

Until (insert your favorite team) gets gutted by the new CBA. Teams should be rewarded for drafting well, making good trades and free agent signings. Not forced to trade their players or pay a billion dollars in luxury taxes. There has to be a happy medium.

I don't mind the idea of Luxury taxes. A team wants to pay it so what as it allows other teams to get extra revenue and compete (especially with the floor they now have). I think it is the "apron" stuff that is the real problem.

There should be a balance, but right now it is awful.

 

[Desert_Power]

Thibs OUT

Seems ridiculous. Not so much that they are letting him go. Owners are crazy. But why sign him to an extension last year? They now owe him $30M

I approve of money leaving Dolan's account.

 

[Kiddnets]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

As for the Nets - the trade is still a win but not as big as expected - the trade allowed them to "tank" but for whatever reason they refused to embrace it and won a bunch of meaningless games to combine with bad lotto luck at they only have the 8th overall to show for tanking. Throw in they traded what they believed were more but less value Phx picks who proceeded to bottom out and land only 2 picks worse than the Nets.

Nets now have 5 of the top 36 picks to start a real rebuild - I think they'll pkg a few along with possible Cam Johnson and Claxton to move up and get some higher prospects - would love a trade up to #2/3 as MArks extensively scouted the Rutgers duo. They still have another season to tank but it will be much more enjoyable with real rebuilding blocks vs the bunch of unknowns this year.

In addition they still have 3 future Knicks picks - 2027, 2029 and 2031 - so hoping they crater ala the Nets after trading for KG/Pierce and Harden deals but usually they are not that lucky - cant believe its their 1st lottery pick in a decade despite being so bad.

Yea, I think a trade with the Sixers for the 3rd pick where Sixers get 1-2 of those picks plus players could work.

Would rather have the #2 with Spurs for Harper but Id consider a trade up using Cam Johnson and another pick or 2 - Really hope they can use the 19 and 25/26 picks rather than the #8 as they really could use 2 top 10 picks to jumpstart the rebuild.

I feel like trades like this in the NBA are super uncommon. Draft picks are just worth exponentially more the higher up in the lottery you go. Honestly I'm not sure Cam Johnson + 8 + 19 + 25/26 even gets you the #2 or 3.

true - depends on how teams view Cam J and if he is a desired piece for a run. In addition, the Nets are in a position to take on lousy contracts with all that space - in this awful apron age that is very valuable - if they agree to also take on an awful contract like George from the 76ers that might help as well. 3 yrs of $50M+ off the books would be huge and could help get something done - Nets have a history of using their cap space to accumulate assets

 

[Juxtatarot]

So in hindsight the mega trade with the Nets for Bridges got the Knicks one step closer but not a ring. Bridges definitely earned his keep vs the Celts - especially on D - but just isnt a key piece in a championship team. Interested to see how to Knicks maneuver without many desirable assets left.

As for the Nets - the trade is still a win but not as big as expected - the trade allowed them to "tank" but for whatever reason they refused to embrace it and won a bunch of meaningless games to combine with bad lotto luck at they only have the 8th overall to show for tanking. Throw in they traded what they believed were more but less value Phx picks who proceeded to bottom out and land only 2 picks worse than the Nets.

Nets now have 5 of the top 36 picks to start a real rebuild - I think they'll pkg a few along with possible Cam Johnson and Claxton to move up and get some higher prospects - would love a trade up to #2/3 as MArks extensively scouted the Rutgers duo. They still have another season to tank but it will be much more enjoyable with real rebuilding blocks vs the bunch of unknowns this year.

In addition they still have 3 future Knicks picks - 2027, 2029 and 2031 - so hoping they crater ala the Nets after trading for KG/Pierce and Harden deals but usually they are not that lucky - cant believe its their 1st lottery pick in a decade despite being so bad.

Apparently the Nets will be the only team that will operate under the cap. It will be interesting to see how they use that. They should be able to get good draft compensation by absorbing another team’s bad contract if they decide to go that route.

 

[Judge Smails]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

 

[Juxtatarot]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

 

[Eephus]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

 

[Capella]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

I dunno reports seem to speculate Bridges hated him too.

 

[thecatch]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

I don't agree. I think it's been fantastic for parity.

Until (insert your favorite team) gets gutted by the new CBA. Teams should be rewarded for drafting well, making good trades and free agent signings. Not forced to trade their players or pay a billion dollars in luxury taxes. There has to be a happy medium.

It would suck but the goal was essentially the introduction of a hardcap that would prevent a team like Boston from hoarding 4-5 max players unless they really wanted to pay the piper, and it's working perfectly. GS signing Durant onto loaded team and running the league for several years was way worse than the current state of affairs. We'll have 7 different champs in 7 years. Thumbs up.

 

[General Malaise]

Stevens may be a savant.

But there's a reason he quit coaching

He wasn't able to coach the modern-day NBA player effectively

Not a negative necessarily

Just a very difficult thing to do

I read this as a Haiku to start.

 

[Eephus]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

I dunno reports seem to speculate Bridges hated him too.

No matter how many picks the Knicks gave up, a player like Bridges doesn't have enough leverage to get a coache fired unless Dolan wanted him gone too.

 

[identikit]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

I dunno reports seem to speculate Bridges hated him too.

No matter how many picks the Knicks gave up, a player like Bridges doesn't have enough leverage to get a coache fired unless Dolan wanted him gone too.

Yeah, i think it's a combination of players and owner that made it happen

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

The inmates being insane owners like Dolan, ishbia and gores?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

I dunno reports seem to speculate Bridges hated him too.

No matter how many picks the Knicks gave up, a player like Bridges doesn't have enough leverage to get a coache fired unless Dolan wanted him gone too.

Yeah, it may be true that some players weren’t into thibs but the reporting seems to point to it being a Dolan decision.

It certainly looks odd to fire a coach who just got to game 6 of the conference finals, but it is going to be hard to do too much with the roster, so shooting for a coach who could somehow raise the ceiling isn’t the craziest thing in the world. I think that most would agree that thibs isn’t the most creative coach out there, especially on offense.

 

[msudaisy26]

I can't even remember the last time trading for a superstar (or less) has paid off. Lillard, Durant, Beal, Gobert, Westbrook, George, Harden, etc. It's all gone up in flames while meanwhile the teams that have been homebrewing have been winning the championships:

Boston
Denver
Golden State
Milwaukee

That's all going to change this year though with either SGA or Haliburton

Not to mention he only goes back four years. If you look the five years before that the teams at traded for or signed superstars.

Lakers had Lebron and AD
Raptors had Kawhi
Both Warrior teams signed Durant
Cavs got Lebron from Miami and traded for Love.

This is a cycle and in 5ish years there will be a new way to build a championship level team.

The only thing I think we all agree on is the new CBA sucks.

I don't agree. I think it's been fantastic for parity.

Until (insert your favorite team) gets gutted by the new CBA. Teams should be rewarded for drafting well, making good trades and free agent signings. Not forced to trade their players or pay a billion dollars in luxury taxes. There has to be a happy medium.

It would suck but the goal was essentially the introduction of a hardcap that would prevent a team like Boston from hoarding 4-5 max players unless they really wanted to pay the piper, and it's working perfectly. GS signing Durant onto loaded team and running the league for several years was way worse than the current state of affairs. We'll have 7 different champs in 7 years. Thumbs up.

Agree to disagree. I loved the fact the if you drafted well and ran your team well you could have a window and win multiple championships. You learned how to win in the playoffs and then had multiple chances to win. The Warriors were an outlier that rarely ever happens.

Denver, Boston, and Milwaukee all won titles recently and now have to tear there teams apart because the cap and tax is killing them. OKC and Indiana will probably have the same problem in a year or two.

 

[msudaisy26]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

I dunno reports seem to speculate Bridges hated him too.

No matter how many picks the Knicks gave up, a player like Bridges doesn't have enough leverage to get a coache fired unless Dolan wanted him gone too.

Yeah, it may be true that some players weren’t into thibs but the reporting seems to point to it being a Dolan decision.

It certainly looks odd to fire a coach who just got to game 6 of the conference finals, but it is going to be hard to do too much with the roster, so shooting for a coach who could somehow raise the ceiling isn’t the craziest thing in the world. I think that most would agree that thibs isn’t the most creative coach out there, especially on offense.

I am starting to believe that anything short of a title and Dolan was firing Thibs and that decision was made before the playoffs started.

 

[mr. furley]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

much cheaper to change 1 guy, than to shuffle a roster and all that involves.

 

[the moops]

There should be a balance, but right now it is awful.

Why?
OKC and IND are both non tax paying teams. The highest paying tax team, PHO, didn't even make the playoffs.

 

[Chemical X]

The NBA coaching firings the last few years prove the inmates are running the asylum. More so than any other sport IMO

Managing relationships is a huge part of the job. The ones that stick around almost always have that skill.

Some firings are player motivated but Thibodeau's like most others was instigated by impatient ownership.

I dunno reports seem to speculate Bridges hated him too.

No matter how many picks the Knicks gave up, a player like Bridges doesn't have enough leverage to get a coache fired unless Dolan wanted him gone too.

Yeah, it may be true that some players weren’t into thibs but the reporting seems to point to it being a Dolan decision.

It certainly looks odd to fire a coach who just got to game 6 of the conference finals, but it is going to be hard to do too much with the roster, so shooting for a coach who could somehow raise the ceiling isn’t the craziest thing in the world. I think that most would agree that thibs isn’t the most creative coach out there, especially on offense.

i still like listening to mike francesa via podcast. he says this was a rose decision, obviously signed off on by dolan. but rose is running the show, if dolan was pulling the strings, rose wouldn’t be here. you are right about the rooster. rose has assembled this squad and likely knows not many changes, especially major, can be made. so, if this is the group for 3-5 years, which it appears to be, thibs will not be the best coach for this group. his doesn’t mean thibs didn’t do a good job or isn’t a good coach, just not the right coach for this group. kat and brunson are limited defenders, but otherwise gifted players, especially offensively. perhaps an offensive coach would be best served. seems like johnnie bryant is the leader in the clubhouse. would be a first time head coach, but does have nba experience and has nyk ties.