2024 Summer of Soccer - Euro's, Copa America, Olympics, WCQing (3 Viewers)

[El Floppo]

also some crazy stuff being allowed to happen

I thought it was a credit to the deep experience of both teams that things didn't boil over last night. There were quite a few tackles that could have gone wrong and some of them weren't even whistled. Romero bulled into one tackle like he was planning on killing a Chilean at the peak of the chippiness, but both players let up at the last second.

Great point. Adn also almost all of the time there was a handshake or acknowledged pat on the back/wave.

I feel like there was a directive about not falling for the usual conmebol/conccaf schtick. So they've erred on the opposite side of it.

An aside... I freaking love how arg play. High pressure, all-in, but sooo composed on the ball despite going a million miles an hour all game. DePaul and Gonzalez were absolutely incredible. And their defense was rock solid. Even their style can shift between ball control and direct.

Colombia has looked great. Brazil, despite their issues scoring, has looked good too especially knowing they have several more gears to ratchet up to. But Arg have been a tier above everybody. So good. So fun to watch.

 

[Scoresman]

-England before Euros-
"It's coming home"

-England during the Euros-
"We're coming home"

It's time for England to drop that tired phrase.

You went home in 1781.

You're going home in 2024.

 

[B Maverick]

Sorry, a bit behind, had to drive 2.5 hours each way to pick the kid up from an ODP camp...

But the Copa refs seem to be calling 1 of every 5 fouls, and then absolutely nothing for the final 10 mins of the match. Its crazy.

And both England and Brazil look way off the pace in either tourney.

 

[The Z Machine]

I can't get over how bad the bracket played out in the Euro's.

Germany vs Spain should very well be the finals match up but it is now likely to be only a quarter final game....

England are back to betting favorites to win Euro 2024 on the back of that scintillating draw against Slovenia.


Or maybe it's the insanely favorable draw in the knockout stage. Its definitely one of those things...

Bookies-
They won their group and literally can't play any worse... It's gotta go up from here?

It helps that 4 of the top-5 favorites are in the other bracket...

Hopefully the Netherlands lands for England in the round of 16 to help balance things a little.

Italy are the wild card game for England. If England are having problems scoring against teams with significantly weaker defenses than Italy, that could make for an interesting quarter final match up.

Other than Italy, even if England continue to play poorly, they should still be favored in every game up until the final.

We can all hope that ITA holds ENG to zero goals and Barella scores a dumb one from outside the box in the 92nd.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Is England's defense that good, or are they facing weak attacking teams?

They gave up 3 goals total to France, Germany and Italy in the 2020 and 2022 tournaments. And 3 total in the other 12 games they've played. IMO that's just really solid on D.

 

[McBokonon]

And both England and Brazil look way off the pace in either tourney.

I was watching Brazil and focused on Bruno G. for reasons and noticed he kept looking for teammates to make runs, they didn't materialize, and he'd have to pass backwards or sideways. It seemed like he was even getting frustrated by the end of the match.

 

[McBokonon]

Potential for a lot of dramatic chaos in the morning set of games. YoutubeTV will probably do the split screen if you have that.

 

[Desert_Power]

An aside... I freaking love how arg play. High pressure, all-in, but sooo composed on the ball despite going a million miles an hour all game. DePaul and Gonzalez were absolutely incredible. And their defense was rock solid. Even their style can shift between ball control and direct.

It is a really well-organized team. They know how to suffer when the goals aren't going in. A lot of midfielders that contribute all over the pitch. Even without Messi, they would be a tough out in tournament play.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Euro bracket could be a preview of how WC2026 plays out given 3rd place teams will again be in the knock-out mix. Anyway.

Simplish guide just to how teams advance

Portugal: avoid a 8 point financial fair play deduction

Turkey:
Win or tie
Lose by 1 or 2 and Georgia ties.
The lose by 3+ scenario would technically be alive but would mean 2 teams in group E would have to lose and in most cases lose by 1 or 2 or 3 more.

Czech: win and in otherwise out.
Georgia: win and in otherwise out.


Romania:
Win or tie
Lose by less than 5 and Ukraine loses.
Lose by 5 or more and Ukraine loses and Georgia and Czechia both tie.
Lose by 5 or more and Ukraine loses and Georgia loses/ties and Turkey loses with a margin no better than 1 less than Romania or Turkey loses by 2 less than Romania and Romania outscores Turkey or Turkey loses by 2 less than Romania and Romania has better discipline than Turkey (currently Romania -3 Turkey -5)

Belgium advance with:
A win or tie.
A loss and a Romania loss and Both Czechia and Georgia lose/tie.
A loss by less than 4 and a Romania loss.
A loss by exactly 4 and a Romania loss and Belgium score at least 1 goal.
A loss by exactly 4 and a Romania loss and they don't score and they get less than 6 discipline points.
A loss by 5+ and a Turkey loss by no better than 1 less and a Georgia loss/tie and a Romania loss.
A loss by 5+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 2 less and Belgium outscores Turkey by 2+ and a Georgia loss/tie and a Romania loss.
A loss by 5+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 2 less and Belgium outscores Turkey by exactly 1 and Belgium has same or better discipline (Bel -4 TUR -5) and a Georgia loss/tie and a Romania loss

Slovakia advance with:
A win or tie.
A loss and a Belgium loss and Both Czechia and Georgia lose/tie.
A loss by less than 3 and a Belgium loss.
A loss by exactly 3 and a Belgium loss and Romania score at least 1 goal.
A loss by exactly 3 and a Belgium loss and they don't score and they get less than 8 discipline points.
A loss by 4+ and a Turkey loss by the same or worse margin and a Georgia loss/tie and a Belgium loss.
A loss by 4+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 less and Slovakia outscores Turkey by 2+ and a Georgia loss/tie and a Belgium loss.
A loss by 4+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 less and Slovakia outscores Turkey by exactly 1 and Slovakia has same or better discipline (SVK -1 TUR -5) and a Georgia loss/tie and a Belgium loss


Ukraine advance with:
A win.
A tie and Romania/Slovakia don't tie.
A loss and a Slovakia loss and Both Czechia and Georgia lose/tie.
A loss by exactly 1 and a Slovakia loss and Ukraine score at least 1 goal.
A loss by exactly 1 and a Slovakia loss and they don't score and they get less than 7 discipline points.
A loss by 2+ and a Turkey loss by a margin 2+ worse and a Georgia loss/tie and a Slovakia loss.
A loss by 2+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 more and Ukraine outscores Turkey by 2+ and a Georgia loss/tie and a Slovakia loss.
A loss by 2+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 more and Ukraine outscores Turkey by exactly 1 and Ukraine has same or better discipline (SVK -2 TUR -5) and a Georgia loss/tie and a Slovakia loss

Hungary:
Czechia and Georgia both lose.
Or
Georgia loses and Turkey loses by 3+
Or
Romania loses by 5+ and Ukraine loses
Or
Belgium loses by 5+ and Romania loses
Or
Belgium loses 4-0 and Romania loses and Belgium gets more than 5 discipline points
Or
Slovakia loses by 4+ and Belgium loses
Or
Slovakia loses 3-0 and Belgium loses and Slovakia gets more than 7 discipline points
Or
Ukraine loses by 2+ and Slovakia loses
Or
Ukraine loses 1-0 and Slovakia loses and Ukraine gets more than 6 discipline points.

So there you go.

-QG

 

[Desert_Power]

Ukraine should have had a few goals already.

 

[TLEF316]

I wish I loved ANYTHING as much as Derek Rae loves adding additional letters, syllables and points of inflection to the name "De Bruyne"

It starts out as "Da- Broy- Na" and by the 35 minute mark, its basically "DaBRYNANNSEJHKGJNA"

 

[TennesseeJed]

This might have been mentioned - but are the Belgian kits a tribute to Tintin?

 

[Deamon]

Euro bracket could be a preview of how WC2026 plays out given 3rd place teams will again be in the knock-out mix. Anyway.

Simplish guide just to how teams advance

Portugal: avoid a 8 point financial fair play deduction

Turkey:
Win or tie
Lose by 1 or 2 and Georgia ties.
The lose by 3+ scenario would technically be alive but would mean 2 teams in group E would have to lose and in most cases lose by 1 or 2 or 3 more.

Czech: win and in otherwise out.
Georgia: win and in otherwise out.


Romania:
Win or tie
Lose by less than 5 and Ukraine loses.
Lose by 5 or more and Ukraine loses and Georgia and Czechia both tie.
Lose by 5 or more and Ukraine loses and Georgia loses/ties and Turkey loses with a margin no better than 1 less than Romania or Turkey loses by 2 less than Romania and Romania outscores Turkey or Turkey loses by 2 less than Romania and Romania has better discipline than Turkey (currently Romania -3 Turkey -5)

Belgium advance with:
A win or tie.
A loss and a Romania loss and Both Czechia and Georgia lose/tie.
A loss by less than 4 and a Romania loss.
A loss by exactly 4 and a Romania loss and Belgium score at least 1 goal.
A loss by exactly 4 and a Romania loss and they don't score and they get less than 6 discipline points.
A loss by 5+ and a Turkey loss by no better than 1 less and a Georgia loss/tie and a Romania loss.
A loss by 5+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 2 less and Belgium outscores Turkey by 2+ and a Georgia loss/tie and a Romania loss.
A loss by 5+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 2 less and Belgium outscores Turkey by exactly 1 and Belgium has same or better discipline (Bel -4 TUR -5) and a Georgia loss/tie and a Romania loss

Slovakia advance with:
A win or tie.
A loss and a Belgium loss and Both Czechia and Georgia lose/tie.
A loss by less than 3 and a Belgium loss.
A loss by exactly 3 and a Belgium loss and Romania score at least 1 goal.
A loss by exactly 3 and a Belgium loss and they don't score and they get less than 8 discipline points.
A loss by 4+ and a Turkey loss by the same or worse margin and a Georgia loss/tie and a Belgium loss.
A loss by 4+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 less and Slovakia outscores Turkey by 2+ and a Georgia loss/tie and a Belgium loss.
A loss by 4+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 less and Slovakia outscores Turkey by exactly 1 and Slovakia has same or better discipline (SVK -1 TUR -5) and a Georgia loss/tie and a Belgium loss


Ukraine advance with:
A win.
A tie and Romania/Slovakia don't tie.
A loss and a Slovakia loss and Both Czechia and Georgia lose/tie.
A loss by exactly 1 and a Slovakia loss and Ukraine score at least 1 goal.
A loss by exactly 1 and a Slovakia loss and they don't score and they get less than 7 discipline points.
A loss by 2+ and a Turkey loss by a margin 2+ worse and a Georgia loss/tie and a Slovakia loss.
A loss by 2+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 more and Ukraine outscores Turkey by 2+ and a Georgia loss/tie and a Slovakia loss.
A loss by 2+ and a Turkey loss by exactly 1 more and Ukraine outscores Turkey by exactly 1 and Ukraine has same or better discipline (SVK -2 TUR -5) and a Georgia loss/tie and a Slovakia loss

Hungary:
Czechia and Georgia both lose.
Or
Georgia loses and Turkey loses by 3+
Or
Romania loses by 5+ and Ukraine loses
Or
Belgium loses by 5+ and Romania loses
Or
Belgium loses 4-0 and Romania loses and Belgium gets more than 5 discipline points
Or
Slovakia loses by 4+ and Belgium loses
Or
Slovakia loses 3-0 and Belgium loses and Slovakia gets more than 7 discipline points
Or
Ukraine loses by 2+ and Slovakia loses
Or
Ukraine loses 1-0 and Slovakia loses and Ukraine gets more than 6 discipline points.

So there you go.

-QG

wow confusing lol

 

[Deamon]

Basically if any of the 4 teams score a goal now, they likely win the group?

 

[Desert_Power]

I wish I loved ANYTHING as much as Derek Rae loves adding additional letters, syllables and points of inflection to the name "De Bruyne"

It starts out as "Da- Broy- Na" and by the 35 minute mark, its basically "DaBRYNANNSEJHKGJNA"

He actually tries to say the names of players correctly, unlike the vast majority of English language commentators

 

[Deamon]

Brutal, I feel bad for Ukraine.

 

[McBokonon]

Why is it not released yet? How they decide where to put the 3rd place teams? I thought it was an equation of some sort that should have been done instantly?

Still one group left.

 

[Deamon]

Why is it not released yet? How they decide where to put the 3rd place teams? I thought it was an equation of some sort that should have been done instantly?

Still one group left.

Jeez, forgot about that group lol

 

[Deamon]

Spain vs. 3F/Slovakia
Germany vs. Denmark
Portugal vs. Hungary/Slovenia
France vs. Belgium
Romania vs. Dutch/Slovenia
Austria vs. 2F
England vs. Dutch/Slovakia
Swiss vs. Italy

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Final scenarios.

Czechia advance with a win. Out with a tie/loss.

Georgia advance with a win. Out with a tie/loss.

Turkey advance with:
A win or tie
OR
A loss by 1 or 2 and a Georgia loss/tie

Hungary advance with:
Georgia loss/tie
AND
Czechia loss/tie or Turkey loss by 3+

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Spain vs. 3F/Slovakia
Germany vs. Denmark
Portugal vs. Hungary/Slovenia
France vs. Belgium
Romania vs. Dutch/Slovenia
Austria vs. 2F
England vs. Dutch/Slovakia
Swiss vs. Italy

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

This is Hungary erasure :(

-QG

 

[Mjolnirs]

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

They should make that semi the final, and the other the third place match.

 

[El Floppo]

Brutal, I feel bad for Ukraine.

Gutted for them.

Feel like they needed to push earlier instead of the last 10-15, given they needed a goal.

 

[B Maverick]

And both England and Brazil look way off the pace in either tourney.

I was watching Brazil and focused on Bruno G. for reasons and noticed he kept looking for teammates to make runs, they didn't materialize, and he'd have to pass backwards or sideways. It seemed like he was even getting frustrated by the end of the match.

Watching that game I was more wondering who Brazil's goal scorer would be. They do not have that R9 type in this team, or even a Neymar. Vini looked pedestrian too. Couldn't see who you could serve to get a chance.

 

[Deamon]

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

They should make that semi the final, and the other the third place match.

Italy/England/Dutch/Austria aren't horrible, but definitely the better teams on the left. Can you Imagine these quarter finals (if the favourites all win)

Spain vs Germany
France vs Portugal

Austria vs Romania/Slovenia
England vs Italy

 

[Deamon]

Final scenarios.

Czechia advance with a win. Out with a tie/loss.

Georgia advance with a win. Out with a tie/loss.

Turkey advance with:
A win or tie
OR
A loss by 1 or 2 and a Georgia loss/tie

Hungary advance with:
Georgia loss/tie
AND
Czechia loss/tie or Turkey loss by 3+

-QG

Can you give the scenarios for the bracket? Like what needs to happen for the Dutch to play England instead of playing Romania.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Is Ukraine the first team ever with 4 points and finished last in the group?

 

[Deamon]

Is Ukraine the first team ever with 4 points and finished last in the group?

yes.

 

[gianmarco]

Is Ukraine the first team ever with 4 points and finished last in the group?

Has a group ever finished with 4 points for every team?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Is Ukraine the first team ever with 4 points and finished last in the group?

Has a group ever finished with 4 points for every team?

These questions go hand in hand.

I am pretty sure the only way to come in last with 4 points is if every team has 4 points in the group.

 

[NewlyRetired]

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[B Maverick]

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

They should make that semi the final, and the other the third place match.

Italy/England/Dutch/Austria aren't horrible, but definitely the better teams on the left. Can you Imagine these quarter finals (if the favourites all win)

Spain vs Germany
France vs Portugal

Austria vs Romania/Slovenia
England vs Italy

And they'll be signing "England's GOING HOME!"

And I might be rooting for Austria in this scenario.

 

[Deamon]

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

They should make that semi the final, and the other the third place match.

Italy/England/Dutch/Austria aren't horrible, but definitely the better teams on the left. Can you Imagine these quarter finals (if the favourites all win)

Spain vs Germany
France vs Portugal

Austria vs Romania/Slovenia
England vs Italy

And they'll be signing "England's GOING HOME!"

And I might be rooting for Austria in this scenario.

The thing about these uneven sides, it's more about one uneven corner of it. England/Netherlands/Switzerland/Italy is not bad at all and is fairly strong overall. It's that upper bracket that is just mindblowing.

 

[The Gator]

Georgie kits sponsored by T Mobile?

nm, they used different kits in showing the lineup lol

 

[NewlyRetired]

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, Belgium all on one side.

They should make that semi the final, and the other the third place match.

Italy/England/Dutch/Austria aren't horrible, but definitely the better teams on the left. Can you Imagine these quarter finals (if the favourites all win)

Spain vs Germany
France vs Portugal

Austria vs Romania/Slovenia
England vs Italy

And they'll be signing "England's GOING HOME!"

And I might be rooting for Austria in this scenario.

The thing about these uneven sides, it's more about one uneven corner of it. England/Netherlands/Switzerland/Italy is not bad at all and is fairly strong overall. It's that upper bracket that is just mindblowing.

The upper bracket is only crazy because France played well below expectations in the group stage. They finished second in their group for good reason as they struggled for 3 straight games.

 

[The Gator]

Time to go back to work

 

[General Malaise]

Bulldogs with an early goal.

 

[B Maverick]

Georgia on my mind!!

 

[Zigg]

Is Ukraine the first team ever with 4 points and finished last in the group?

Has a group ever finished with 4 points for every team?

I believe it happened in the ‘90 World Cup.

 

[Mjolnirs]

That’s a harsh second yellow.

 

[The Gator]

That’s a harsh second yellow.

Two in 9 min? Wow

 

[heckmanm]

CZE/TUR getting away from the ref

 

[B Maverick]

That’s a harsh second yellow.

Two in 9 min? Wow

Imagine this ref in either the Brazil or Argentina game. Would have been 8v8

 

[TennesseeJed]

CZE/TUR getting away from the ref

meanwhile, Portugal playing with fire, and look more likely to get a man sent off than score right now...

 

[Desert_Power]

CZE/TUR getting away from the ref

meanwhile, Portugal playing with fire, and look more likely to get a man sent off than score right now...

Portugal is locked in no?

 

[TennesseeJed]

CZE/TUR getting away from the ref

meanwhile, Portugal playing with fire, and look more likely to get a man sent off than score right now...

Neto booked for diving, and Cristiano already on a yellow for dissent.

Pedro Neto dive against Georgia 45'

Video Pedro Neto dive against Georgia 45' was uploaded to Streamin.me on Jun 26, 2024.

streamin.me

 

[TennesseeJed]

CZE/TUR getting away from the ref

meanwhile, Portugal playing with fire, and look more likely to get a man sent off than score right now...

Portugal is locked in no?

Yeah - they have won their group no matter the outcome here.

But, losing players to suspensions would be bad for their future involvement...

 

[The Gator]

CZE/TUR getting away from the ref

meanwhile, Portugal playing with fire, and look more likely to get a man sent off than score right now...

Neto booked for diving, and Cristiano already on a yellow for dissent.

Pedro Neto dive against Georgia 45'

Video Pedro Neto dive against Georgia 45' was uploaded to Streamin.me on Jun 26, 2024.

streamin.me

Can’t believe he even argued that. Was hilarious

 

[NewlyRetired]

Is Ukraine the first team ever with 4 points and finished last in the group?

Has a group ever finished with 4 points for every team?

I believe it happened in the ‘90 World Cup.

I just checked, it was not 1990, but it was 1994.

Mexico, Italy, Ireland and Norway all ended up on 4 points. Norway went home.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Goals have dried up incredibly in the 3rd game of the Euro's. Every one is playing so tight to just hope to move on.

Only 13 goals scored, so far, across 12 games (2 games still have second halves to play). And 5 of the 13 came in a single game.