2024 Summer of Soccer - Euro's, Copa America, Olympics, WCQing (1 Viewer)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Easy to dismiss at this point, but it's still glorious.

It is. And it will never get old.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Look, it's not that the US is out of a tournament (that we are hosting...)
It's that we haven't shown an ability to pull some kind of run in '26. If we can't beat PANAMA (regardless of a red card or not) how can we put together any kind of run to the final 16 in the WC? In a must win game on our home soil we never really threatened. And the worst part is that there was nobody we could bring in to get that win.

Ream won't be there in '26. Who will replace him? The formation (that GGG refuses to move on from) isn't producing goals. Wish I could remember where I saw it but a good take was GGG is a good club coach - play my system or go away and playing favorites.

If it's not working, make a change. Any change. Something.

Team will be younger in 26 than Pepe is for this Euros. It’s concerning that Ream’s club minutes dropped so much this season, but he still has to be a favorite to start in 26.

Funny, they were just mentioning "if this is Ream's final game with the US..."

There is a real chance a new coach immediately realizes Ream can't make it to 2026 at a high enough quality and never calls him to give other players a chance.

 

[Sammy3469]

Look, it's not that the US is out of a tournament (that we are hosting...)
It's that we haven't shown an ability to pull some kind of run in '26. If we can't beat PANAMA (regardless of a red card or not) how can we put together any kind of run to the final 16 in the WC? In a must win game on our home soil we never really threatened. And the worst part is that there was nobody we could bring in to get that win.

Ream won't be there in '26. Who will replace him? The formation (that GGG refuses to move on from) isn't producing goals. Wish I could remember where I saw it but a good take was GGG is a good club coach - play my system or go away and playing favorites.

If it's not working, make a change. Any change. Something.

Team will be younger in 26 than Pepe is for this Euros. It’s concerning that Ream’s club minutes dropped so much this season, but he still has to be a favorite to start in 26.

Funny, they were just mentioning "if this is Ream's final game with the US..."

There is a real chance a new coach immediately realizes Ream can't make it to 2026 at a high enough quality and never calls him to give other players a chance.

I think the greater likelihood is the new good coach knows Ream is the only CB we have with composure on the ball and rides him into the ground (Pepe says :hi. That’s on Ream though to maintain his conditioning.

 

[jabarony]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

Why can’t they find the T. Boone Pickens of soccer? No billionaires like the national team?

 

[NewlyRetired]

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Was this really what he was telling his players because if so I figured he was setting up a set piece or whatever.

Yeah, it has been mentioned in here a few times already.

I screamed at my tv when he did it. You NEVER tell the score of the other game you need that early in the half. That should only be used in the last few minutes.

It may have been coincidence that they scored shortly after but he also could have broken concentration and focus.

 

[El Floppo]

Look, it's not that the US is out of a tournament (that we are hosting...)
It's that we haven't shown an ability to pull some kind of run in '26. If we can't beat PANAMA (regardless of a red card or not) how can we put together any kind of run to the final 16 in the WC? In a must win game on our home soil we never really threatened. And the worst part is that there was nobody we could bring in to get that win.

Ream won't be there in '26. Who will replace him? The formation (that GGG refuses to move on from) isn't producing goals. Wish I could remember where I saw it but a good take was GGG is a good club coach - play my system or go away and playing favorites.

If it's not working, make a change. Any change. Something.

Team will be younger in 26 than Pepe is for this Euros. It’s concerning that Ream’s club minutes dropped so much this season, but he still has to be a favorite to start in 26.

Funny, they were just mentioning "if this is Ream's final game with the US..."

There is a real chance a new coach immediately realizes Ream can't make it to 2026 at a high enough quality and never calls him to give other players a chance.

I should've posted it... Saw an article outlining the best 10 available coaches, mostly S American and including Pioli. I assume they were within range for pay. Didn't list Klopp.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

A coach's job isn't to make sure players (or their mom) likes them. It gets uncomfortable at times. Time to be uncomfortable.

 

[NewlyRetired]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

Why can’t they find the T. Boone Pickens of soccer? No billionaires like the national team?

They can easily. Canada is funding their head coach via MLS owners.

US Soccer could find a sponsor in a second to land Klopp (if he wanted to coach) but they would have to get it balanced with the womens coach as well.

 

[Capella]

Does a home World Cup make the job more attractive to a quality coach? Seems like a chance that doesn’t come around often.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Look, it's not that the US is out of a tournament (that we are hosting...)
It's that we haven't shown an ability to pull some kind of run in '26. If we can't beat PANAMA (regardless of a red card or not) how can we put together any kind of run to the final 16 in the WC? In a must win game on our home soil we never really threatened. And the worst part is that there was nobody we could bring in to get that win.

Ream won't be there in '26. Who will replace him? The formation (that GGG refuses to move on from) isn't producing goals. Wish I could remember where I saw it but a good take was GGG is a good club coach - play my system or go away and playing favorites.

If it's not working, make a change. Any change. Something.

Team will be younger in 26 than Pepe is for this Euros. It’s concerning that Ream’s club minutes dropped so much this season, but he still has to be a favorite to start in 26.

Funny, they were just mentioning "if this is Ream's final game with the US..."

There is a real chance a new coach immediately realizes Ream can't make it to 2026 at a high enough quality and never calls him to give other players a chance.

I should've posted it... Saw an article outlining the best 10 available coaches, mostly S American and including Pioli. I assume they were within range for pay. Didn't list Klopp.

some one did post it already. I think it was in the US thread.

 

[El Floppo]

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Was this really what he was telling his players because if so I figured he was setting up a set piece or whatever.

Yeah, it has been mentioned in here a few times already.

I screamed at my tv when he did it. You NEVER tell the score of the other game you need that early in the half. That should only be used in the last few minutes.

It may have been coincidence that they scored shortly after but he also could have broken concentration and focus.

And I think we all knew the goal was coming hot on the heels of that

 

[NewlyRetired]

Does a home World Cup make the job more attractive to a quality coach? Seems like a chance that doesn’t come around often.

Yes and no.

yes - you are guaranteed to make a WC, which is a huge bonus since the vast vast vast majority of coaches are sacked during or right after qualifying

no - with no qualifying, it can be very hard to prepare a team, especially one you may be brand new to

 

[El Floppo]

Does a home World Cup make the job more attractive to a quality coach? Seems like a chance that doesn’t come around often.

Auto qualification to the WC probably pretty appealing.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

I will say though - I still think the US doesn't have the depth to be able to just blow players off. That's a club thing. Sometimes you can't tell a Ream to just pound sound. You need them to win.

But, as a US fan, I could live with some uncomfortable/unpopular decisions if it means we suffer in the short term. 2 years is a good amount of time to do something. Wait 6 months and we are scrambling.

 

[jabarony]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

Why can’t they find the T. Boone Pickens of soccer? No billionaires like the national team?

They can easily. Canada is funding their head coach via MLS owners.

US Soccer could find a sponsor in a second to land Klopp (if he wanted to coach) but they would have to get it balanced with the womens coach as well.

Sorry. I meant can’t they find a pile of money to throw at Klopp and an equal pile of disposable money to throw at the women’s coach?

 

[NewlyRetired]

I will say though - I still think the US doesn't have the depth to be able to just blow players off. That's a club thing. Sometimes you can't tell a Ream to just pound sound. You need them to win.

But, as a US fan, I could live with some uncomfortable/unpopular decisions if it means we suffer in the short term. 2 years is a good amount of time to do something. Wait 6 months and we are scrambling.

The real problem is not the two year time period.

The real problem will be a significant lack of quality competitive games between now and the WC. With the entire world embroiled in WC qualifying and their respective nations league games, a new coach will be scrambling to find any games of use.

 

[NewlyRetired]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

Why can’t they find the T. Boone Pickens of soccer? No billionaires like the national team?

They can easily. Canada is funding their head coach via MLS owners.

US Soccer could find a sponsor in a second to land Klopp (if he wanted to coach) but they would have to get it balanced with the womens coach as well.

Sorry. I meant can’t they find a pile of money to throw at Klopp and an equal pile of disposable money to throw at the women’s coach?

We will see how inventive they get.

 

[El Floppo]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

Why can’t they find the T. Boone Pickens of soccer? No billionaires like the national team?

They can easily. Canada is funding their head coach via MLS owners.

US Soccer could find a sponsor in a second to land Klopp (if he wanted to coach) but they would have to get it balanced with the womens coach as well.

Sorry. I meant can’t they find a pile of money to throw at Klopp and an equal pile of disposable money to throw at the women’s coach?

USWNT just hired arguably the best women's coach available.

Men won't be so lucky.

 

[El Floppo]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

Why can’t they find the T. Boone Pickens of soccer? No billionaires like the national team?

They can easily. Canada is funding their head coach via MLS owners.

US Soccer could find a sponsor in a second to land Klopp (if he wanted to coach) but they would have to get it balanced with the womens coach as well.

Sorry. I meant can’t they find a pile of money to throw at Klopp and an equal pile of disposable money to throw at the women’s coach?

USWNT just hired arguably the best women's coach available.

Men won't be so lucky.

And I've been meaning to post it, one of her first decisions was to drop Morgan from the Olympic team.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The ref refused to shake Pulisic's hand at the end of the game. I have to assume Pulisic had some choice words for him during the game he did not forget.

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[Sammy3469]

A coach's job isn't to make sure players (or their mom) likes them. It gets uncomfortable at times. Time to be uncomfortable.

A coaches job it to develop players and make sure the players do what they need to be successful. You don’t have to make players uncomfortable to do that. The bigger problem is the GGG doesn’t truly know what it means to put players in a position to succeed. A whole bunch of these result can be written off by him and the players as “we were close” and just need to work at it.

Hell Turner did it tonight by saying we were good until the final third. They’ve been saying that for 6 years now.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Since 1990, we have been to 8 World Cups and failed to qualify once. We have won a total of 6 games. We average less than 1 victory per World Cup, and we wind up scrambling for draws and hoping for outcomes elsewhere in the group stage. That's embarrassing.

Odd take. Our ability to advance out of the group is something that is not easy even for the big teams. The whole mission in the group when your not the lead dog is to get out of the group by any way possible.

Not even the harshest critic should ever complain about this when teams like Italy, France, and Germany have failed to do so at times.

Now if you want to point out that we fail at the round of 16 that would be fair but that is ultimately the top 16 teams of that cycle and the US are just shy of that quality.

You could call it disappointing but I feel embarrassing is hyperbole imo.

Fair enough. But for me it's more than disappointing. Too often we fall short, and too often, we leave our destiny in another team's hands. Yes, that's partly the nature of the tournament. But for how much we've sought to advance the sport in this country since 1994, where we are as a national team is more than disappointing.

Every WC feels the same. It's groundhog day. We have never been good enough to go into a game expecting to win. Feels like we play for a draw in the WC all the time.

Even tonight I'm sitting there rooting for a tie because I don't think we can score and win, while hoping Bolivia pulls off some miracle. Really? What a mess.

 

[El Floppo]

The ref refused to shake Pulisic's hand at the end of the game. I have to assume Pulisic had some choice words for him during the game he did not forget.

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Well... This guy shouldn't be doing much more at this level, so he obviously dgaf.

 

[Zigg]

Sorry to interrupt, but it’s unbelievable how much the announcer sounds like Mary Carillo.

I was watching and thought she sounds familiar. Then realized she sounds like the tennis lady. Then someone in here mentioned Mary Carillo and I was like “yes, that’s who it is. Damn, what a talented broadcaster. I can’t believe she does soccer, and pretty well.”

I thought you guys were joking when you said it’s a dude. I had to really focus to figure out it’s not Mary Carillo after all. But man alive does he sound like her.

Sorry, had to mention that.

Go Canada

 

[encaitar]

The ref refused to shake Pulisic's hand at the end of the game. I have to assume Pulisic had some choice words for him during the game he did not forget.

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Well, just another example of this ref being out of his depth. Wonder if the US will protest?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Sorry to interrupt, but it’s unbelievable how much the announcer sounds like Mary Carillo.

I was watching and thought she sounds familiar. Then realized she sounds like the tennis lady. Then someone in here mentioned Mary Carillo and I was like “yes, that’s who it is. Damn, what a talented broadcaster. I can’t believe she does soccer, and pretty well.”

I thought you guys were joking when you said it’s a dude. I had to really focus to figure out it’s not Mary Carillo after all. But man alive does he sound like her.

Sorry, had to mention that.

Go Canada

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[encaitar]

Sorry to interrupt, but it’s unbelievable how much the announcer sounds like Mary Carillo.

I was watching and thought she sounds familiar. Then realized she sounds like the tennis lady. Then someone in here mentioned Mary Carillo and I was like “yes, that’s who it is. Damn, what a talented broadcaster. I can’t believe she does soccer, and pretty well.”

I thought you guys were joking when you said it’s a dude. I had to really focus to figure out it’s not Mary Carillo after all. But man alive does he sound like her.

Sorry, had to mention that.

Go Canada

It's been a thing for quite some time. I think it really made waves at the last WC when both Stu Holden AND Coby Jones sounded exactly like Mary. Pretty funny really.

 

[El Floppo]

Since 1990, we have been to 8 World Cups and failed to qualify once. We have won a total of 6 games. We average less than 1 victory per World Cup, and we wind up scrambling for draws and hoping for outcomes elsewhere in the group stage. That's embarrassing.

Odd take. Our ability to advance out of the group is something that is not easy even for the big teams. The whole mission in the group when your not the lead dog is to get out of the group by any way possible.

Not even the harshest critic should ever complain about this when teams like Italy, France, and Germany have failed to do so at times.

Now if you want to point out that we fail at the round of 16 that would be fair but that is ultimately the top 16 teams of that cycle and the US are just shy of that quality.

You could call it disappointing but I feel embarrassing is hyperbole imo.

Fair enough. But for me it's more than disappointing. Too often we fall short, and too often, we leave our destiny in another team's hands. Yes, that's partly the nature of the tournament. But for how much we've sought to advance the sport in this country since 1994, where we are as a national team is more than disappointing.

Every WC feels the same. It's groundhog day. We have never been good enough to go into a game expecting to win. Feels like we play for a draw in the WC all the time.

Even tonight I'm sitting there rooting for a tie because I don't think we can score and win, while hoping Bolivia pulls off some miracle. Really? What a mess.

MLS is less than 30 years old. That's one generation of players.
MLS professional academies are about 10 years old. Not even a generation of players. We're playing against most countries whose pro leagues, teams, player development and culture around the sport go back to the 1800s

We all want the US to be world beaters, but it's a bit like thinking Italy's basketball team should expect to beat the US every FIBA world championship or Olympics because they have a pro league. Besides, every team in the worlds first and only goal is to get into the knockouts by any means necessary.

 

[El Floppo]

A coach's job isn't to make sure players (or their mom) likes them. It gets uncomfortable at times. Time to be uncomfortable.

A coaches job it to develop players and make sure the players do what they need to be successful. You don’t have to make players uncomfortable to do that. The bigger problem is the GGG doesn’t truly know what it means to put players in a position to succeed. A whole bunch of these result can be written off by him and the players as “we were close” and just need to work at it.

Hell Turner did it tonight by saying we were good until the final third. They’ve been saying that for 6 years now.

It's this teams catch phrase.

 

[El Floppo]

What are the chances we wake up tomorrow to GGGs head on a spike? Zero to none?

 

[Sand]

GGG fired yet?

 

[Zigg]

Sorry to interrupt, but it’s unbelievable how much the announcer sounds like Mary Carillo.

I was watching and thought she sounds familiar. Then realized she sounds like the tennis lady. Then someone in here mentioned Mary Carillo and I was like “yes, that’s who it is. Damn, what a talented broadcaster. I can’t believe she does soccer, and pretty well.”

I thought you guys were joking when you said it’s a dude. I had to really focus to figure out it’s not Mary Carillo after all. But man alive does he sound like her.

Sorry, had to mention that.

Go Canada

It's been a thing for quite some time. I think it really made waves at the last WC when both Stu Holden AND Coby Jones sounded exactly like Mary. Pretty funny really.

We rarely get the American feed for soccer. We always get the British ones. This was my first time I watched the American team for an extended period of time.

Wimbledon will be a little confusing I guess.

 

[NewlyRetired]

well the players I have seen quoted are blaming themselves, not GGG.

Does any one know if GGG took any responsibility in his presser?

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Doug McIntyre

@ByDougMcIntyre

Gio Reyna following the #USMNT’s Copa América-ending 1-0 loss to Uruguay: “I don't think this tournament really had anything to do with the staff or the tactics or the way we play. I think it was more individual mistakes. The staff can only do so much….at the end of the day, the players didn't do enough to go through.”

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The ref refused to shake Pulisic's hand at the end of the game. I have to assume Pulisic had some choice words for him during the game he did not forget.

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Well, just another example of this ref being out of his depth. Wonder if the US will protest?

Not a great look for Pulisic in this clip either. Is he motioning to the ref to go celebrate with Uruguay? As captain he also needs the be an adult and show some professionalism.

 

[El Floppo]

Ok... Last comment. As good as CP was in the first half, he went back to trying too much (don't really blame him given the circumstances) and was making poor choices and final balls way too much in the 2nd half. They needed better from guys like him, Swag, Pepi, Musah when it mattered. Only guy id point to as being closer to the top of his game all game and making a difference all game- Jedi.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The ref refused to shake Pulisic's hand at the end of the game. I have to assume Pulisic had some choice words for him during the game he did not forget.

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Well, just another example of this ref being out of his depth. Wonder if the US will protest?

there was some strange stuff for sure but not enough to bother with a protest (and lets face it, how often do protests even work?)

The only way I could have seen a protest was if the yellow card botch led to a goal and was not over turned by VAR. That coupled with what still looks like a botched VAR on the offside goal may have been enough for a protest (but still kind of meaningless in the end).

I would be more angry with the ref if the US played better in the second half. But ultimately they played poorly.

 

[NewlyRetired]

It feels like they are campaigning again for GGG

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Jimmy Mack
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@jcmack03

Weston McKennie: “The players would run through a brick wall for Gregg [Berhalter].”

 

[El Floppo]

well the players I have seen quoted are blaming themselves, not GGG.

Does any one know if GGG took any responsibility in his presser?

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Doug McIntyre

@ByDougMcIntyre

Gio Reyna following the #USMNT’s Copa América-ending 1-0 loss to Uruguay: “I don't think this tournament really had anything to do with the staff or the tactics or the way we play. I think it was more individual mistakes. The staff can only do so much….at the end of the day, the players didn't do enough to go through.”

Gio made comments about xg being good (generally) defensive shape being good, and movement/heart being good... Not as an excuse but to point out what he thought did work.

I do agree with Gio... The players didn't exactly step up. But the tactical horse has been beaten to death- they're not being out into situations that optimize they're talents.

I will say though... I've liked the US shape going forward a lot better the last two games as they've figured out how to incorporate Balo better.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Re: Turner - i listened to make sure I heard him right, to see if he was calling out the offense. Nope. He clarified in our final 3rd.

And a national team coach shouldn't have a priority of development. Technically it should be there. It's not.

 

[El Floppo]

It feels like they are campaigning again for GGG

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Weston McKennie: “The players would run through a brick wall for Gregg [Berhalter].”

"And then flub our final touch in the box"

 

[Moe.]

That ref was horrible, but we were so bad in the second half I can’t even be mad at it. There is absolutely zero reason to keep Berhalter, none. There are literally dozens of coaches at this point that I’d rather have. Jim Curtin is probably gonna get fired by Philly this year and I’d much rather have him. Of all the soccer coaches in the world, there are only a few who we can definitively say should not have this job, and Berhalter is on the list. It’s over.

 

[Moe.]

Who cares what the players think? What are they gonna do, retire? Play better if you want him to keep his job.

 

[NewlyRetired]

oh boy.................any one want to guess the over under of how long this will take?

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USSF statement “Our tournament performance fell short of our expectations. We must do better. We will be conducting a comprehensive review of our performance in Copa America and how best to improve the team and results as we look towards the 2026 World Cup.”

 

[El Floppo]

oh boy.................any one want to guess the over under of how long this will take?

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USSF statement “Our tournament performance fell short of our expectations. We must do better. We will be conducting a comprehensive review of our performance in Copa America and how best to improve the team and results as we look towards the 2026 World Cup.”

I already said... End of 2025.

And will rehire GGG.

Or is Bob Bradley available?

 

[Orange&Blue]

embarrassing

 

[bagger]

But I will make just one observation. I dont think anyone here, including us vets, have any real great idea of how to make the USMNT take the next step. Of who should be the coach instead of Gregg. Of who is actually a realistic target at all. Or of how the team should be setup differently. And I don’t think that just getting angry is very productive.

This is understandable but shouldn’t whomever is in charge of the usmnt have a clue?

I’m a causal but I remember everybody being annoyed when they brought Gregg back. And now they wasted this primo chance of seeing what they could do before the WC with a new coach. Now we’re flying into 2026 blind.

Exactly so.

Fwiw, the players all wanted GGG back and have his back.

Speaks to the fact they respect him but results are results. I hope they make a change because this isn’t working but damn if I know who would.

The issue is the pay. There are quite a few coaches out there that are incredible head coaches who are available... problem is they would cost $6-7M minimum(and some would be more).

The big issue with that is the equal pay agreement between the USMNT and USWNT. If we pay our head men's coach $7M, then the public pressure would be put on to pay Emma Hayes $7M as well and we can't afford to pay both.(probably can't even afford to pay one coach that much)

So stupid to have to do that.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

oh boy.................any one want to guess the over under of how long this will take?

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USSF statement “Our tournament performance fell short of our expectations. We must do better. We will be conducting a comprehensive review of our performance in Copa America and how best to improve the team and results as we look towards the 2026 World Cup.”

The espn guys - Alle, Keller and Herc - nailed this one. I usually can’t take much from Herc but they were spot on. There will be meetings and power points and ELO and XG for weeks and months and nothing will change. I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard Parlow Cone speak but it’s time we heard from her. If the common wisdom regarding coaching pay equity is correct she should be on the hot seat for hamstringing the men’s team in what should have obviously been apparent to be an unworkable deal.

 

[bagger]

What are the chances we wake up tomorrow to GGGs head on a spike? Zero to none?

Zero to none. It was clear he wasn’t the answer before, he hasn’t done anything different so why would he get fired?

I think it’s insane and obvious he should have never come back but this is how poorly this organization is run from the top down.

 

[bagger]

Lost in all of this is how terrible Pepi is. He was completely invisible coming in for Balogen.

However despite all of the referee shenanigans and everything else, the weirdest bit of watching the game was my wife sitting down next to me wondering where the one dude is with the braids.

I had no idea who she is talking about but then realize the one player she knows on the team is Haji freaking Wright?

She also thinks “whoever number 10 is really good”.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

And of course the players will say "it's not coaching, we didn't do our job".

Who wants to ride the pine for calling out your coach? You don't do that on any level.

If/when they hire a new coach, it'll be "we can't wait to hit the pitch for xxx. We are so excited"

In American football it is completely OK for folks to say "the old coach was a players coach. They needed a disciplinarian" or yada yada. We should just defer to the likes of Gio saying "oh it's not the coach"?