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2024 Summer of Soccer - Euro's, Copa America, Olympics, WCQing (1 Viewer)

mr. furley said:
TennesseeJed said:
If USMNT coach has to be on parity with the women's team, then you supplement that with sponsors giving him a NIL deal on the side.
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keep seeing this referenced here. what does this mean?

the men's and women's national teams have to be paid the exact same amount?
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Emma Hayes earns the same as Berhalter - but that is a new development - specific to Hayes. And it comes afterUS Soccer settled a wage dispute between the mens and women's team.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
TennesseeJed said:
Seriously though - if Klopp is interested - and we should be asking the question - then you look at how Canada landed Marsch, by effectively getting sponsors to pay his wages.

If USMNT coach has to be on parity with the women's team, then you supplement that with sponsors giving him a NIL deal on the side.
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Elon Musk just got a $56bn payday and claims to be super patriotic. We can't find someone like that to just pay both coaches what it takes to get Klopp in there? Of course I know Elon himself isn't that guy, as his idea of patriotism is rooting for the women's team to fail, but there's gotta be some other rich dude out there that is a soccer fan and this is couch change to. Like when Jeff Bezos bought The Expanse (canceled show) for Prime Video just because he was a fan of the show and wanted to see more seasons.
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Found the one scenario where I would rather keep Berhalter.

-QG
 
I think the biggest problem is that the U.S. can't show their *** in games like all these piss-ant countries we have to deal with. We can't play physical without repercussions then roll around if we get breathed on wrong and get penalties called in our favor. It's never going to be a level playing field for us, so instead of hiring set piece coaches, we need ****housery coaches. I want more players with attitudes like Dempsey and Hoppe out there, who will get under their opponents' skin and get fouled so bad that even CONMEBOL refs cringe.

We've been playing this commoner's game like gentlemen long enough, it's time we got down and dirty.
 
NewlyRetired said:
So lets break this down like any other nation would do:

1) If Crocker is doing his job as TD, he would be under a state of constant evaluation. Every thing that should have been known up until the start of this camp should be known. Extra evaluation should not be required for anything before the Colombia game.

2) If Crocker is doing his job as TD, he would already have a short list of coaches he wants and that are available and affordable. This list should be periodically updated and should be relatively fresh right now coming into the summer, which is a common coaching hiring time frame. This list would not only have been generated in case GGG failed. It should have also been in place for emergencies if GGG got sick, or hurt or had to leave the team due to family issues etc. This is only professional.

3) So the only evaluation needed should be from the Colombia game onward. And that should take 1-2 days TOPS!! It is not that hard even if you want to consider extenuating circumstances.

This is how other nations can fire coaches so quickly. They have everything planned and arranged ahead of time and do not believe in allowing the current coach to continue even if they have not yet signed a new coach.

The proper thing to do is to quickly announce that they have moved on from GGG and will be hiring a new coach ASAP.
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Chance any of this was done 0%
 
Desert_Power said:
TennesseeJed said:
FreeBaGeL said:
I can't find anything official that verifies it though.
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As the U.S. women’s national team head coach, Emma Hayes will earn the same base salary as men’s coach Gregg Berhalter.

The deal makes Hayes the highest paid women’s soccer coach in the world. Hayes and Berhalter will receive equal pay, with each earning $1.6 million per year, Fox Sports’ Doug McIntyre reported.


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This sounds really dumb.
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But Hayes I believe was pretty much the most sought after coach in the women's game while Berhalter of course is a bottom of the barrel coach in the men's game, so totally possible it just worked out that way that the salary demands between #1 overall coach in women's were similar enough to #1,056th best coach in men's that they could go ahead and make it equal for some nice publicity. But I haven't seen anything that says the salaries have to stay equal (or anywhere close to it) as a rule or even as an objective. It's certainly possible it exists behind the scenes, but I think we're all speculating on that.

ETA: I don't know what we offered the men's coaches that rejected us but the reports around Zidane were that he rejected a "lucrative" deal that was financially very interesting to him and included a "high proposed salary". I doubt they would have used that language if the offer was $1.6M.
 
Mjolnirs said:
On the Euros, I was looking around the wiki page and saw the section on Controversies and Incidents.
These people do not like each other:

Balkan incidents​

During the group stage, several controversies came up due to the behaviour of various Balkan fans and players. Albania and Serbia were both fined €10,000 after their fans displayed irredentist symbols; Serbian fans displayed maps of Kosovo as being a part of Serbia while Albanian fans displayed maps of Greater Albania. Serbia threatened to quit the tournament if UEFA did not take action against Croatia and Albania after some of their fans chanted anti-Serbian slogans during the match, such as Ubij ubij ubij Srbina ("Kill kill kill the Serb"); an investigation was later launched into Croatia.[198] After the group stage game between Albania and Croatia, Mirlind Daku led the Albanian supporters in chanting anti-Macedonian and anti-Serbian slogans, and Albania was fined €47,250 and Daku was banned for two games. Kosovar journalist Arlind Sadiku was banned after making the crossed hands gesture towards Serbian fans during the Serbia and England game.
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There was an incident in the last Euro that had me scratching my head - an Austria player who is Serbian insulted a Macedonia player who is Albanian regarding a dispute in Kosovo.
 
Link to every managers salary at Euros. Imagine Klopp would be in 4 to 5mm range at the top end of the specturm but seeing this info I would think paying a salary of $1.6mm wouldn't be to far off to get a quality coach.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Revealed: 'Gareth Southgate earns the most of ANY boss at Euro 2024'

The wages of every single manager at the tournament in Germany have been revealed by 'intensive and rigorous' research.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

P.S. Also love England making Southgate the highest paid manager. :lmao: Classic England right there.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Mjolnirs said:
On the Euros, I was looking around the wiki page and saw the section on Controversies and Incidents.
These people do not like each other:

Balkan incidents​

During the group stage, several controversies came up due to the behaviour of various Balkan fans and players. Albania and Serbia were both fined €10,000 after their fans displayed irredentist symbols; Serbian fans displayed maps of Kosovo as being a part of Serbia while Albanian fans displayed maps of Greater Albania. Serbia threatened to quit the tournament if UEFA did not take action against Croatia and Albania after some of their fans chanted anti-Serbian slogans during the match, such as Ubij ubij ubij Srbina ("Kill kill kill the Serb"); an investigation was later launched into Croatia.[198] After the group stage game between Albania and Croatia, Mirlind Daku led the Albanian supporters in chanting anti-Macedonian and anti-Serbian slogans, and Albania was fined €47,250 and Daku was banned for two games. Kosovar journalist Arlind Sadiku was banned after making the crossed hands gesture towards Serbian fans during the Serbia and England game.
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There was an incident in the last Euro that had me scratching my head - an Austria player who is Serbian insulted a Macedonia player who is Albanian regarding a dispute in Kosovo.
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:loco:
 
i don't know how to explain this but Clattenburgh (sp?) talks like his name sounds

if someone talked like him they'd say he/she spoke with a Clattenburgh
 
CGRdrJoe said:
TripItUp said:
This country has money time to put it to work.
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it’s soccer :shrug:
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I don't understand this point.

Do you have any idea what the combined worth of the MLS owners are?

Look at what Apple kicked in for Messi. I am sure there are plenty of sponsors who would be more than happy to invest to help the end goal of 2026. A good US run helps all sponsors.
 
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NewlyRetired said:
https://x.com/SoccerInsider
Steven Goff
@SoccerInsider

Christian Pulisic, on ref Kevin Ortega: "I saw things I've never seen before right in front of my eyes that I truly can’t believe. It's not why we lost. We're not out of this tournament because of officiating. … He gives no explanation. He's doing things I just can't accept."
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"I'm not saying it was the officiating."


"But, it was the officiating"
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Disagree. It felt more like "the officiating sucked, but we lost because they were a better team"
 
Redwes25 said:
Link to every managers salary at Euros. Imagine Klopp would be in 4 to 5mm range at the top end of the specturm but seeing this info I would think paying a salary of $1.6mm wouldn't be to far off to get a quality coach.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Revealed: 'Gareth Southgate earns the most of ANY boss at Euro 2024'

The wages of every single manager at the tournament in Germany have been revealed by 'intensive and rigorous' research.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

P.S. Also love England making Southgate the highest paid manager. :lmao: Classic England right there.
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Klinsmann was making over $3.3m back in 2018 for the US.
 
The obsession with Klopp is strange to me anyway. He's never coached an international team. His players at Liverpool and Dortmund were top to bottom far superior to any player pool he'll ever have here, and he'll be working with about one-tenth the amount of practice time at most. It took him a couple years to implement his system in England. Is he going to change his system and his training approach and learn something that will work for weaker players with far less time to work together? There's no transfer windows available for him to find the right pieces, he'd have to adjust his system to what we have. It seems to me his brand of pressing requires strong teamwork, strong tactical understanding and tremendous talent.
 
Maybe the Messi model is the way to go if we want to land a Klopp level name.

US Soccer can still claim to pay the exact same amount to each coach, and then let a sponsor quietly cover the rest.
 
Mjolnirs said:
Until post match simulation cards are issued, players will keep scamming refs like Netherlands did.
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It would be so easy for soccer to fix this BS. Issue red cards in real time with the use of VAR.

Oh, and add flopping to the list of offenses that get you a red card.

Problem would basically be solved overnight.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
The obsession with Klopp is strange to me anyway. He's never coached an international team. His players at Liverpool and Dortmund were top to bottom far superior to any player pool he'll ever have here, and he'll be working with about one-tenth the amount of practice time at most. It took him a couple years to implement his system in England. Is he going to change his system and his training approach and learn something that will work for weaker players with far less time to work together? There's no transfer windows available for him to find the right pieces, he'd have to adjust his system to what we have. It seems to me his brand of pressing requires strong teamwork, strong tactical understanding and tremendous talent.
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I mean, better than Berhalter right?

The bar is low here.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
The obsession with Klopp is strange to me anyway. He's never coached an international team. His players at Liverpool and Dortmund were top to bottom far superior to any player pool he'll ever have here, and he'll be working with about one-tenth the amount of practice time at most. It took him a couple years to implement his system in England. Is he going to change his system and his training approach and learn something that will work for weaker players with far less time to work together? There's no transfer windows available for him to find the right pieces, he'd have to adjust his system to what we have. It seems to me his brand of pressing requires strong teamwork, strong tactical understanding and tremendous talent.
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I was having the same thoughts after that round of posts. CP is the only player remotely starter capable that Klopp is used to working with. Player pool differemces and the fact that it took 2-3 years to really hone Liverpool into the dominant pressing team we think of... Including transfers and everyday practice.

Just not sure how that translates to the USMMT. And yet... I'm eager to see how it would translate. Bring in der klopper!
 
I hope we are not suggesting that we should limit the coaching pool to only those coaches capable of coaching down to the US level.

Might as well keep Berhalter and just accept our fate.
 
El Floppo said:
I was having the same thoughts after that round of posts. CP is the only player remotely starter capable that Klopp is used to working with. Player pool differemces and the fact that it took 2-3 years to really hone Liverpool into the dominant pressing team we think of... Including transfers and everyday practice.
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He's like Arena in that he's outstanding at IDing what a player can do and putting 11 guys on the field who understand their role and can actually do it -- making the whole greater than the parts. And he's a freaking genius at seeing what's not working in-game and changing things -- especially at the half. So that part might be great.

But his whole thing is about day-in-day-out building an 11-man machine, where every piece moves together. And that's, as you say, built on relationships, incredible levels of fitness, and daily drilling/repetition. I'm not sure how the machine would work with limited talent that can only practice together here and there, and only a handful of games to get it right.
 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
El Floppo said:
I was having the same thoughts after that round of posts. CP is the only player remotely starter capable that Klopp is used to working with. Player pool differemces and the fact that it took 2-3 years to really hone Liverpool into the dominant pressing team we think of... Including transfers and everyday practice.
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He's like Arena in that he's outstanding at IDing what a player can do and putting 11 guys on the field who understand their role and can actually do it -- making the whole greater than the parts. And he's a freaking genius at seeing what's not working in-game and changing things -- especially at the half. So that part might be great.

But his whole thing is about day-in-day-out building an 11-man machine, where every piece moves together. And that's, as you say, built on relationships, incredible levels of fitness, and daily drilling/repetition. I'm not sure how the machine would work with limited talent that can only practice together here and there, and only a handful of games to get it right.
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I want it to happen mostly because I want to watch him lose his **** with a CONCACAF ref.
 
El Floppo said:
CletiusMaximus said:
The obsession with Klopp is strange to me anyway. He's never coached an international team. His players at Liverpool and Dortmund were top to bottom far superior to any player pool he'll ever have here, and he'll be working with about one-tenth the amount of practice time at most. It took him a couple years to implement his system in England. Is he going to change his system and his training approach and learn something that will work for weaker players with far less time to work together? There's no transfer windows available for him to find the right pieces, he'd have to adjust his system to what we have. It seems to me his brand of pressing requires strong teamwork, strong tactical understanding and tremendous talent.
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I was having the same thoughts after that round of posts. CP is the only player remotely starter capable that Klopp is used to working with. Player pool differemces and the fact that it took 2-3 years to really hone Liverpool into the dominant pressing team we think of... Including transfers and everyday practice.

Just not sure how that translates to the USMMT. And yet... I'm eager to see how it would translate. Bring in der klopper!
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I also think it is fair to acknowledge Klopp did not start at Dortmund with all that talent.

He was the coach of tiny Mainz for 7 years. He started with them down in Bundesliga 2. He was a late season replacement for a team that was about to be relegated. He won 6 of his first 7 games to survive the drop to Bundesliga 3.

He then coached Mainz up to 4th 2 years in a row and then eventually a promotion to the Bundesliga. With the smallest stadium and budget in the league, he managed to come in 11th 2 years in a row. They were eventually relegated in future years but not before he caught the eye of the Dortmund front office and then his career sky rocketed.
 
gianmarco said:
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
El Floppo said:
I was having the same thoughts after that round of posts. CP is the only player remotely starter capable that Klopp is used to working with. Player pool differemces and the fact that it took 2-3 years to really hone Liverpool into the dominant pressing team we think of... Including transfers and everyday practice.
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He's like Arena in that he's outstanding at IDing what a player can do and putting 11 guys on the field who understand their role and can actually do it -- making the whole greater than the parts. And he's a freaking genius at seeing what's not working in-game and changing things -- especially at the half. So that part might be great.

But his whole thing is about day-in-day-out building an 11-man machine, where every piece moves together. And that's, as you say, built on relationships, incredible levels of fitness, and daily drilling/repetition. I'm not sure how the machine would work with limited talent that can only practice together here and there, and only a handful of games to get it right.
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I want it to happen mostly because I want to watch him lose his **** with a CONCACAF ref.
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Which, incidentally is another issue I have with GGG. Despite all the screwing over by the ref, you just don't see him really advocating for us on the sideline. There has to be some of that, IMO, even if not to the level of Klopp.
 
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[Scianitti] Tajon Buchanan taken away in an ambulance after a significant lower leg injury in #CanMNT practice. Injury occurred during a drill. Players came together. Ambulance arrived after 10am CT. Practice cancelled. Alistair Johnston described mood as "somber."​

 
BeTheMatch said:
He was right all along. I'm just sayin'...
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if you mean right like a broken clock is right eventually, yeah I guess.

I don't want this to sound insulting so let me explain. What I mean by this is that you can choose almost any professional coach in any sport and for 4 years constantly say he should be fired and you are going to be right quite a lot of the time after 4 years has gone by.

Could things have been better with out GGG? Sure of course. They also could have been a lot worse.

If the new coach suddenly turns this team into a legit top 10 team, then we can reevaluate. Sadly we won't be able to do that until 2026.
 
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NewlyRetired said:
Maybe the Messi model is the way to go if we want to land a Klopp level name.

US Soccer can still claim to pay the exact same amount to each coach, and then let a sponsor quietly cover the rest.
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They are already wearing NIKE jerseys. Phil Knight - come on down and make NIKE a monster again.
 
Not that US Soccer even knows its own history but if GGG gets sacked, this will now be the 4th times since the mid 2000's. that a second cycle coach has failed.

Literally 4 in a row.

Arena in 2006 cycle (finished dead last in the WC)
Bradley in 2014 cycle (sacked early in cycle before he made it to qualifying)
Klinsmann in 2018 cycle (sacked before the ultimately failed qualification was completed)
GGG in 2024 cycle (may be sacked 2 years before WC)
 
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NewlyRetired said:
BeTheMatch said:
He was right all along. I'm just sayin'...
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if you mean right like a broken clock is right eventually, yeah I guess.

I don't want this to sound insulting so let me explain. What I mean by this is that you can choose almost any professional coach in any sport and for 4 years constantly say he should be fired and you are going to be right quite a lot of the time after 4 years has gone by.

Could things have been better with out GGG? Sure of course. They also could have been a lot worse.

If the new coach suddenly turns this team into a legit top 10 team, then we can reevaluate. Sadly we won't be able to do that until 2026.
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I was mostly poking the bear.
 
The Gator said:
I could be w
Major said:
The Gator said:
Major said:
Did I hear that right - US is the first Copa host nation to not advance out of the group stage. Yikes
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Technically Mexico was out first.
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Were there any games played in Mexico? I don't recall it
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I could be wrong for sure, but i thought there was. Maybe I’m conflating the upcoming WC
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no Copa in Mexico, but by proxy they are more popular than the US in the US so this is really their second home.
 
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