Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Anyone got that clip of the H&L play for the TD?
I only got to see it once
I only got to see it once
Bucs’ fans predicted it.Unlike college NFL is so difficult to predict. TB beats the Lions and then gets crushed by lowly Denver.
Lions smartly haven't spent their entire cap, so moves are still possible as certain teams start to fall out of contention. For the time being their vaunted depth will have to come through.The Lions are racking up a bunch of injuries:
Marcus Davenport reportedly has a torn triceps and is likely out for the year.
Derrick Barnes had a knee injury and will miss significant time.
Frank Ragnow has a partially torn pec and is week-to-week.
The others are all day-to-day.
The Lions play Monday night, then comes their much needed bye week.
The Lions are racking up a bunch of injuries:
Marcus Davenport reportedly has a torn triceps and is likely out for the year.
Derrick Barnes had a knee injury and will miss significant time.
Frank Ragnow has a partially torn pec and is week-to-week.
The others are all day-to-day.
The Lions play Monday night, then comes their much needed bye week.
Yeah he's basically playing hurt every week. Perhaps that is taking it's toll on the o line performance lately.The Lions are racking up a bunch of injuries:
Marcus Davenport reportedly has a torn triceps and is likely out for the year.
Derrick Barnes had a knee injury and will miss significant time.
Frank Ragnow has a partially torn pec and is week-to-week.
The others are all day-to-day.
The Lions play Monday night, then comes their much needed bye week.
Seems like Rags gets beat up every week.
I literally, in The Black Knights voice, heard "its just a flesh wound" in my head when reading this.Frank is probably more seriously hurt then we know, but he will play with one arm if he has too.
Believe it or not, that 27-20 score over Seattle is the same one I got as well too. I don't know why I picked against them last week in Arizona.Should be an exciting week. Coming off a nice win on the road. Playing Monday night and breaking out the black uniforms. But a bit of a downer losing Davenport and Barnes and having several other key players with injuries which could limit them. Also facing a team that historically destroys us.
But next man up and what happened in the past has no bearing on this team. The defense looks much better, especially in the secondary. Hutch is playing like DPOY and Kerby Joseph is looking like one of the best safeties in the league. Offensively, the Lions have shown the ability to control the game via the run. The passing game seems as bit shaky as Goff is rushing his throws and is throwing more INTs than TDs. The Lions need to continue to pound their running game, but they will need a more balanced attack with a more effective passing game.
Lions are favored by +3 facing a Seattle team which is 3-0. I think the Lions cover this week and score a 27-20 win.
I'm actually kind of happy about that - let him take two weeks off to heal, instead of toughing it out and possibly making it worse. Hopefully, he'll be good to go after the bye.Ragnow is out.
The only have 3 WR on active roster. Did the same thing last week. Patrick is actually WR3 who has now been elevated 4 times. Next time they have to sign him and can no longer go down to practice squad.
Both were signed to the 53-man roster (Robinson today, Patrick last week).
Both excellent run blocking WR’s. Look for the Gibbs & Monty show this Monday night.
Let's hope so. We saw what happens when they abandon the run.Both excellent run blocking WR’s. Look for the Gibbs & Monty show this Monday night.
Only scheduled every 3rd year per divisions, but there are also the same place in NFC division games which seem to have matched up recently. I do tire of them since they are never an easy out.Is Seattle in our division now? Seems like Lions play them every year.
He's been gone now for a couple weeks, could be taking some time off of the boards judging by his last post.Paging @BobbyLayne Hello???
MNF and there is no sticky yet and we are on the 4th page of SP without you.
Paging @BobbyLayne Hello???
MNF and there is no sticky yet and we are on the 4th page of SP without you.
He's been gone now for a couple weeks, could be taking some time off of the boards judging by his last post.Paging @BobbyLayne Hello???
MNF and there is no sticky yet and we are on the 4th page of SP without you.
Glad you are back and OK, hope your wife is doing well and nothing too serious.He's been gone now for a couple weeks, could be taking some time off of the boards judging by his last post.Paging @BobbyLayne Hello???
MNF and there is no sticky yet and we are on the 4th page of SP without you.
I’m good, just trying to be more present at home. Wifey is dealing with some medical stuff. Just normal circle of life stuff, we’ll be OK.
Great win considering we were down 4 starters. Felt good to finally got past Seattle. Happy for Jamo, legit locker room game ball from MCDC - bc he also had several awesome blocks - to put next to the NBCSNF game ball he got Opening Night.
On a personal note (NCAYFT), started Goff for the first time. Down by 4ish, 30% win probability, villain had JSN & Waddle. The Alcatraz play (ARSB 2 Jared) put me in the lead and hit ‘em with a Waymo sealed the deal.
“Yeah, I think it’s tough to say right now,” Lions coach Dan Campbell said Monday. “I think we will be fortunate to get him at any point this year. I don’t want to say it’s not going to happen, but I think we would be pretty fortunate if it does.”
Still remember his quarterback sneak for 76 yards.Greg Landry, former All-Pro Lions quarterback, dead at 77
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Any reports on how Vaki is progressing. He and Reynolds I dont think have a rushing carry this year. Lions going with a 2 back rotation of Monty and Gibbs for the time being. Interesting that Vaki and not Reynolds got the touch on the Lions very risky fake punt a few games back.
Yeah I've got Vaki on my dynasty team. Sets up as a potential Montgomery replacement in the long run. Lions/Holmes unorthodox approach? But its really upside wins championships.Any reports on how Vaki is progressing. He and Reynolds I dont think have a rushing carry this year. Lions going with a 2 back rotation of Monty and Gibbs for the time being. Interesting that Vaki and not Reynolds got the touch on the Lions very risky fake punt a few games back.
@TartanLion is probably correct
I know one thing, they LOVE what Vaki brings to Special Teams. Interestingly, both RBs have the exact same number of snaps. 7 on Offense (0 touches), 68 on STs, 1 fake. They both are what they call Four Phase Special Teams players - other than the FGA and FGBLK units, they have both played every kickoff snap and all but 3 punt snaps (whether kicking to OPP or receiving kickoffs/punts from OPP.)
PFF Special Teams Grades (TM rank - Player - ST Snap Counts - PFF Grade)
- Khalil Dorsey 72-71.4
- Sione Vaki 68-68.8
- Ben Niemann 70-68.5
- Loren Strickland 37-68.1
- Hogan Hatten 31-68.1
- Jalen Reeves-Maybin 84-67.2
- Malcolm Rodriguez 85-67.1
- Brandon Joseph 22-65.5
- Derrick Barnes 27-64.1
- Craig Reynolds 68-63.6
For context, Detroit ranks 10th overall in Special Teams per PFF Grades. Anything 60+ is considered adequate. 80+ is exceptional, 90+ is rare.
Whether he carves out a role on offense or not, Vaki is a special talent. Football player who has a defensive mindset - he loves to hit - and is extremely raw as a halfback. His entire college career + his first 4 games as an NFL rookie, he has only 83 snaps. Eight Three.
Yeah, if someone went down, they are going to trust Craig more. But Vaki could end up being a really, really good player when he has a little more time on task.
Got one more in ya, Tarik?
@Da Guru - that’s your best thread [title] this year
Unrelated ETA - anyone know a good resource for recognizing early onset of Alzheimer’s? Asking for a friend…
DFN Mailbag: Importance of Cowboys game, Martin's potential role, Mahogany's roster odds and moreOct 12We’re back after a bye-week hiatus and ready for your Lions questions. Q: Are there any position groups you think the Lions could target at the trade before the deadline? — Phil Johnson Justin: In my years as a sports journalist, I’ve found there's always a greater interest in what can be than what is. The most-read stories always center around the draft, free agency, coaching hirings/firings and trades. So I understand the intrigue around next month's deadline, but consider it a friendly reminder that it’s difficult to find impact mid-stream in football more than other sports. Most positions require an acclimation period to adjust to verbiage and scheme, while establishing workable chemistry with new teammates. The best moves are when you can acquire a piece with long-term potential, even if it requires a contract extension. A recent example would be Chicago’s addition of Montez Sweat last year. But that franchise and this one are in different places. The Bears were still searching for foundational pieces, while the Lions are built for long-term contention. With the number of big contracts already in place, and more on the docket in the next couple of years, I wouldn’t classify a Sweat-like deal as likely. You’re more likely to see a move that mirrors the Donovan Peoples-Jones pick-up from a year ago. A versatile, low-cost piece that provides depth at a position where the Lions feel they're lacking. And it’s not easy to readily identify that spot. I think we can continue to point to edge defender, and given the Lions wouldn't mind a one-trick pony so long as that trick is a powerful bull rush, there’s a possibility a name emerges that wouldn’t cost much more than a Day 3 pick. Still, don’t be surprised if they are content to ride things out with former second-round picks Levi Onwuzurike and Josh Paschal leading the charge. Q: What are your thoughts about Christian Mahogany’s chances of making the 53? — MrJT Justin: Without seeing him practice, it’s difficult to gauge where he’s at physically, without blindly relying on second-hand opinions. That said, we know the Lions are committed to the development of their draft picks. They felt fortunate to land Mahogany where they did in the draft and didn’t feel a need to bail on the sixth-round choice during his lengthy bout with mononucleosis. Given the team has been sitting on an open roster spot for the past couple of weeks, there’s no reason to think space is an immediate issue. Assuming they feel good about where he’s at following his three-week acclimation window, I’d say the odds are pretty high he will be added to the 53, even if he’s inactive on game days in favor of Kayode Awosika for the remainder of the 2024 campaign. Q: What type of flexibility does an open roster spot provide. Is it more than just holding a spot for someone coming off IR? I know that practice squad elevations don’t take a roster spot but are we full on the PS right now? — Paul Van Randwyk Justin: It’s a good question. I’d suggest the only meaningful flexibility is not having to unnecessarily add a young player the team likes off its practice squad, only to have to expose them to waivers if an injury situation requires a roster adjustment in the coming weeks. In other words, they’d prefer to avoid what happened with linebacker Trevor Nowaske last season. They had to cut him shortly after signing him to the active roster, only to see the Cardinals swoop in and snag the linebacker off waivers. Understand, a player can be poached off the practice squad at any time, but there’s an understood ability of the current team to match the job offer. With waivers, you briefly cede control of the player’s rights. Q: After hearing about Robert Saleh, I thought about Aaron Glenn as the next Jets head coach and how it would somewhat parallel Dan Campbell’s story. But the Jets ownership looks a lot different from the Lions ownership. How much do you think assistant coaches in Detroit recognize Sheila Hamp’s management style, and do you think that makes them reticent to jump at an opening because they can appreciate good leadership from the ownership where they’re at? — Dave Reimink Justin: While I believe there’s a strong appreciation for Hamp throughout the organization, I don’t think it would persuade an assistant to stay in Detroit with a lesser title. The fact remains there are only 32 of those jobs available. They come with unmatched prestige and life-changing financial security. And while there are some situations (cough, Carolina, cough) that merit hesitation, there aren’t many scenarios where I could see Glenn declining a top job if offered. But given the Jets just fired a defensive coach who actually fielded a great defense, I would anticipate that franchise looking for something different than what Glenn offers. Q: Did you expect more from Jahmyr Gibbs when it comes to catching the ball out of the backfield or slot? — Dean Pippio Justin: Yeah, I did, but I also expected Sam LaPorta and Amon-Ra St. Brown to repeat their 2023 production, but both are currently falling short of the bars they’ve set. But here’s the counter. The Lions offense is averaging nearly 400 yards and 26.0 points per game. They have a lot of weapons, are running the ball better than last year, and are enjoying a breakout performance from Jameson Williams. With the depth of talent, there will be an ebb and flow to the production. Some pieces are up now that will be down later and vice versa. Will Gibbs’ pass-catching impact ever take that leap into Alvin Kamara territory? I’m increasingly skeptical. I’d say the more immediate concern is increased efficiency with the opportunities, which I’ve written about in the past. That’s a problem for Ben Johnson to solve. Q: Since Dak Prescott typically shreds man coverage, do you expect Glenn to keep calling mostly zone looks this week? — Josh Dalley Justin: I’m not sure Prescott is less efficient against zone coverage when he’s at his best. He torched zone looks in the second half of 2023. Similarly, Ceedee Lamb destroys man and zone coverage with near-equal efficiency. While I can’t say with certainty, I imagine QB mobility impacts the coverage plan for Detroit. Prescott is mobile, but not a significant run threat. He’s only gained 50 or more yards twice in his career, and the last time was five years ago. Q: We haven’t seen much of Craig Reynold or Sione Vaki this season. Do you think we’ll see either of them get involved in the offense more moving forward? — @LionsFan097 Justin: As long as David Montgomery and Gibbs are healthy and producing, I wouldn't expect to see much of Reynolds. He’s a highly reliable third back, capable of executing as a ball carrier, receiver and blocker, but he’s nowhere near as dynamic as the starting tandem. As for Vaki, the rookie's explosiveness remains intriguing. I’m sure they’ll want to find ways to situationally work him into the mix, if only hoping to catch an opponent napping on a screen or wheel route from a fullback alignment. Q: What does the Dallas’ run defense look like in the past two weeks compared to the first three? How will Bland change the game plan if he plays? — Jeff Merrill Justin: It’s tightened up the past couple weeks, for sure. Cleveland and New Orleans both averaged nearly 5.0 yards per carry the first couple of games, while Baltimore gouged them as Baltimore can for 274 yards on the ground. The Giants and Steelers, two teams who average under 4.0 yards per carry, had less success in losses to the Cowboys the last two games. The Giants were particularly brutal in their efforts, mustering just 26 yards on 24 carries. As for Bland, he’s a big-time playmaker. He led the league with nine interceptions last season and has 14 in his first two years. He has a great feel for zone and good route-matching ability in man, with elite anticipation. If you try to force a ball into a tight window against him, you do so acknowledging there’s a good chance he’ll come up with a takeaway. Q: How important is this matchup? — @LionsFanAccount Justin: With only 17 games, they’re all important, especially given the Lions already coughed up one loss to an NFC contender earlier this season. A defeat here obviously doesn’t take Detroit out of contention for their division or the best record in the NFC, but it makes the road a little rockier, particularly with the collectively strong start of the North. It’s shaping up to be a dogfight in December, so falling short in Dallas reduces margin for error later in the year. |
The Lions have to put behind them their recent history with Dallas the same way they did vs Seattle earlier this season. This is a new year, let's make it the Lions year.