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49ers jump up to #3 pick in draft (2 Viewers)

49ers defense isn't good enough to win a championship based on defense.

Ohio State hasn't had their Pro Day yet. NDSU and BYU have. So the thinking has to be this is for either Wilson or Lance...right?

 
Not in that division it can't.
I dunno - Niners have a really good offense. QB is the obvious weakness, but with their ability to run the ball & now that they have 3 viable receiving weapons + Juice, I like their chances of competing so long as they have good health. 

Obviously getting a QB upgrade would be impactful. 

 
49ers defense isn't good enough to win a championship based on defense.

Ohio State hasn't had their Pro Day yet. NDSU and BYU have. So the thinking has to be this is for either Wilson or Lance...right?
But their defense coupled with a super strong running game and a qb that does just enough is...imho

 
Just because you do something incredibly stupid and it works out, doesn't mean it was a good move in the first place. You can't expect to get lucky and make your decisions like that. You just don't get that.

And a pro bowl doesn't mean anything. This will be a success if he's a 10+ year starter and top 10 qb.
Sure okay, then if he's a 10+ year starter.

I just don't think you can call anything overpaying or underpaying until we even see who we draft and how it works out.  If you're a coach and you're absolutely in love with a player and think you can turn him into a 10+ year starter, and another team is offering 2 1sts to get him, then sure I throw in the 3rd rounder.

 

 
Unfortunately I see zero chance of the Jets doing that type of deal with the Pats...if they want to be safe as far as obtaining a rookie QB in this draft they should be on the phone with Atlanta.
As outlined in the NE thread, NE has plenty of needs. So if they don't get in position to take a QB, then someone worthwhile will fall to them. That might also mean they then trade out of 15  if some other team is in love with someone still on the board.

There could be 5 QB, 3 OL, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 CB off the board when they call the Patriots to pick. They could get the top DLineman or pass rusher or first LB off the board. Essentially, they could find themselves in a situation they haven't been in in  a long time.

 
I dunno - Niners have a really good offense. QB is the obvious weakness, but with their ability to run the ball & now that they have 3 viable receiving weapons + Juice, I like their chances of competing so long as they have good health. 

Obviously getting a QB upgrade would be impactful. 
I was feeling really good about their down year and the number 12 pick because i think they are that close

As someone said in here, if they miss on this pick they are cooked

 
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Sure okay, then if he's a 10+ year starter.

I just don't think you can call anything overpaying or underpaying until we even see who we draft and how it works out.  If you're a coach and you're absolutely in love with a player and think you can turn him into a 10+ year starter, and another team is offering 2 1sts to get him, then sure I throw in the 3rd rounder.

 
You can based on probability.  By your argument they could trade 20 first round picks and it's still a good pick if the person is good.

I disagree with that.  

Probability says that the chances of getting a difference maker with 3 first round picks is greater than the one at number 3

 
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Seems weird for Miami to trade up to #6 right now.  
I agree, must have a board they are confident in enough that they will easily get one of multiple guys they really want there. Figure 1-2-3 is a QB then perhaps they are thinking something like one of Pitts, Chase, or Sewell (or Waddle/Smith) will make them equally as happy?

 
You can based on probability.  By your argument they could trade 20 first round picks and it's still a good pick if the person is good.

I disagree with that.  

Probability says that the chances of getting a difference with 3 first round picks is greater than the one at number 3
20 is extreme.  But I guess if the guy turns into Brady, and if the team said no to 19 first round picks, then sure.

If you think this team is good enough to win a championship with Jimmy next year, then the picks they gave up will be low 1sts anyways.

 
Not really.  They were probably targetting someone like Chase or Sewell at pick 3 anyways.  They just got a free 1st and 3rd to take the same guy.
Perhaps.

I am assuming they had the eagles deal worked out in sort of a quasi 3 team deal prior to pulling the trigger with the 49ers

 
Perhaps.

I am assuming they had the eagles deal worked out in sort of a quasi 3 team deal prior to pulling the trigger with the 49ers
Yep they probably did.  They probably wanted Chase or Sewell no matter what, and figured out a way to pick up a future 1st and still get their guy by moving back 3 spots.

 
The good news for the 49ers is they've done a good job managing Jimmy G's contract, unlike a few others in the league ...
It's good for SF that they won't have to take a big cap hit to move on from Garoppolo. The problem is, it's unlikely they will be able to trade him (or if they can, they probably won't get a ton back for him). He has two seasons left on his contract at $25M a season. Only 5 teams have that much cap room left for this season (DEN, JAX, IND, NYJ, and LAC). NE would be the likely trade partner, but they are down to $11M in cap space after going on a drunken bender in free agency.
I get that the prevailing wisdom is that rookie quarterbacks have to start day 1.  But I'm a Packer fan, and am therefore more comfortable with the notion that a rookie QB can benefit from a year of learning, without that immediate pressure.  The point being, there's no reason they have to trade Jimmy G.

 
I guess they have about 8 or 9 non-QBs they like a lot.

I view it as more of a gamble for the team moving up
I've been predicting QB goes 1-4 for weeks now but to me the gamble of moving back was what if someone like Fields fell to 6?Or just allowing yourself for any team to get super hyped up on a player and that had some risk to it moving back.  But this makes me think both teams feel like they got a pretty good handle on how the top few picks are going to go.

 
As outlined in the NE thread, NE has plenty of needs. So if they don't get in position to take a QB, then someone worthwhile will fall to them. That might also mean they then trade out of 15  if some other team is in love with someone still on the board.

There could be 5 QB, 3 OL, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 CB off the board when they call the Patriots to pick. They could get the top DLineman or pass rusher or first LB off the board. Essentially, they could find themselves in a situation they haven't been in in  a long time.
Unfortunately because their QB is not worthy of starting for an SEC team if they don't upgrade that position it will not matter and you will be simply kicking the can down the road.

 
Yep they probably did.  They probably wanted Chase or Sewell no matter what, and figured out a way to pick up a future 1st and still get their guy by moving back 3 spots.
I don’t get Philly moving back. Especially behind Dallas and Giants? Maybe Howie getting too cute again.

 
49ers defense isn't good enough to win a championship based on defense.

Ohio State hasn't had their Pro Day yet. NDSU and BYU have. So the thinking has to be this is for either Wilson or Lance...right?
That's the problem with the trade imo. There isn't even a clear path as to which will be there. 

Obviously the 1 isn't going anywhere. But they don't know who the 2 is right now. So they're saying it doesn't matter. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I dunno - Niners have a really good offense. QB is the obvious weakness, but with their ability to run the ball & now that they have 3 viable receiving weapons + Juice, I like their chances of competing so long as they have good health. 

Obviously getting a QB upgrade would be impactful. 
They would be really strong contenders in any division. But the Cardinals are getting better, the Rams just got a lot better (imo) and the Seahawks are still good. That division is brutal. 

 
That's the problem with the trade imo. There isn't even a clear path as to which will be there. 

Obviously the 1 isn't going anywhere. But they don't know who the 2 is right now. So they're saying it doesn't matter. 🤷🏽‍♂️
I was really saying that it's not as likely they're trading up for Fields as the other two.

 
I don’t get Philly moving back. Especially behind Dallas and Giants? Maybe Howie getting too cute again.
Because who is there at 6?  Would surely be Chase/Pitts type pick.  They probably realize we are a couple years away and getting one of those guys won't do much.

Apparently they were trying to move up to 3 to take Wilson but couldn't.  Either way, they get a future 1st for if/when Hurts fails and they need capital to get a future franchise qb.

Everyone is gawking at Miami's value, but have to think getting a 1st from moving from 6 to 12 is just as good. (They also moved up from a 5th to a 4th)

 
I don’t get Philly moving back. Especially behind Dallas and Giants? Maybe Howie getting too cute again.
They dont have a lot of cap space, and getting someone like Waddle or Devonta Smith or even Slater at 12 will be fine.  Great trade by the Eagles.

 
Because who is there at 6?  Would surely be Chase/Pitts type pick.  They probably realize we are a couple years away and getting one of those guys won't do much.

Apparently they were trying to move up to 3 to take Wilson but couldn't.  Either way, they get a future 1st for if/when Hurts fails and they need capital to get a future franchise qb.

Everyone is gawking at Miami's value, but have to think getting a 1st from moving from 6 to 12 is just as good. (They also moved up from a 5th to a 4th)
Sewell, Chase, Pitts.

 
I was really saying that it's not as likely they're trading up for Fields as the other two.
I'm just saying I have no idea which of the three they want and expect to be there.  They can't have made the move with the intention of getting "their guy" when their guy could very easily end up in NY. 

 
I'm just saying I have no idea which of the three they want and expect to be there.  They can't have made the move with the intention of getting "their guy" when their guy could very easily end up in NY. 
Well, they're clearly fine with at least two of the three. You're right though - which one, who knows?

 
I think you have to assume he's operating with a full deck and is ok with his third QB.


Yes.  I don't think he does this deal without some kind of Jets intel.  Or he values 2 guys very similarly.


Well, they're clearly fine with at least two of the three. You're right though - which one, who knows?
Right. 

They obviously know more than we do (although the GMs are often wrong). I just never like these deals before they really know who is there. I'd be fine with getting the 2 now because we know who is going 1. 

Didn't the jets make a similar deal in the draft for darnold?  That went swimmingly.

 
Didn't the jets make a similar deal in the draft for darnold?  That went swimmingly.
Not like the Jets had a powerhouse offense that was 1 QB away, so IMO the jury’s still out on Darnold. 

but point taken. 

 
Pitts is supposedly generational, not sure if I'd gamble on that but I'm not an NFL GM either.
Pitts may generational, but teams don't move mountains to draft a TE. The only TE selected in the Top 5 in the SB era was Riley Odoms by Denver in 1972 (with the 5th pick).

 

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