Backing into Parking Spots - What is the deal and why are so many more people doing it? (3 Viewers)

[Instinctive]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

 

[bigbottom]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

2) If those people had exercised some common courtesy, they would have waited until the lane was clear before backing out so as not to inconvenience anyone. My complaint with them wouldn’t be that they chose to park front in, but rather that they were impolite to back out into oncoming lane traffic. Now, you mention that the lot was busy, so maybe that wasn’t possible in this circumstance.

 

[bigbottom]

I think I’ve come to conclusion that backing into a parking spot is definitely more efficient for those people who know how to back into a spot competently. Everyone is ultimately better off with those people backing in. I fully support the competent backer-inners in this thread.

 

[Navin Johnson]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

Naw. it is easier backing in because your front end has open space to swing in to when you crank the wheel. Once you drop your *** into the lane it is easy to line up the front end. Backing out is more restrictive because often cranking the wheel on the way out will cause you to side swipe the car next to you.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

If you go in front first at the right angle it takes one go.
Then on the same arc, you come out in one go. With only minor steering adjustments

But as others have said, bad drivers gonna drive bad if they reverse, go front in or in some cases sideways.
Think im gonna uber to do my shopping from now on.
All these bad driver bastages do my head in

 

[Instinctive]

If you go in front first at the right angle it takes one go.
Then on the same arc, you come out in one go. With only minor steering adjustments

But as others have said, bad drivers gonna drive bad if they reverse, go front in or in some cases sideways.
Think im gonna uber to do my shopping from now on.
All these bad driver bastages do my head in

Hahaha. The thing I started the thread with, which bigbottom emphasized recently, and you've now hit on as well...it doesn't matter what the right answer is. Good drivers will be fine either way and bad drivers are gonna suck either way. The problem is bad drivers.

The key is just to maximize the ability to go when it's not busy, or to maximize your time so people being in the way doesn't bother you.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I can't believe this thread is 7 pages long. The answer is so easy. If there are no cars around you, just back in. If there are cars around, don't hold up traffic in the parking lot and just pull in forward. Do people really struggle backing into a parking spot (especially with the cameras)?

 

[Terminalxylem]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

That’s fair. But it happens enough, maybe 5-10% of the time I park at work, to be irritating.

And as @John Maddens Lunchbox’s notes, the delays are far more common than waiting for people to pull in.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I think I’ve come to conclusion that backing into a parking spot is definitely more efficient for those people who know how to back into a spot competently. Everyone is ultimately better off with those people backing in. I fully support the competent backer-inners in this thread.

What convinced you? I mean, I’ve seen people back in first go, albeit far less than those pulling forward.

But they still have to drive past the spot, stop, and reverse to get there.* Multiple extra steps, and distance added to the parking equation. Not sure how that’s more efficient.

Regardless, I bet the guys seamlessly backing in would be equally adroit pulling in/backing out.

*I know you drive that distance backing out, but I find backing out far easier than in - no issue side-swiping other vehicles, or entering a lane wider than a parking space.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I can't believe this thread is 7 pages long. The answer is so easy. If there are no cars around you, just back in. If there are cars around, don't hold up traffic in the parking lot and just pull in forward. Do people really struggle backing into a parking spot (especially with the cameras)?

Additionally - Do you guys rely on the camera? I make an effort to (back in) park using my mirrors and looking backwards as if I dont have a backup camera - only glancing at it after Ive backed into my spot.

Im such a Luddite, I cant help it.

 

[The Z Machine]

I can't believe this thread is 7 pages long. The answer is so easy. If there are no cars around you, just back in. If there are cars around, don't hold up traffic in the parking lot and just pull in forward. Do people really struggle backing into a parking spot (especially with the cameras)?

Additionally - Do you guys rely on the camera? I make an effort to (back in) park using my mirrors and looking backwards as if I dont have a backup camera - only glancing at it after Ive backed into my spot.

Im such a Luddite, I cant help it.

I use the mirrors and camera. Never look over my shoulder when backing into a spot since the likelihood of someone jumping in my way is near zero. When backing out, I often look over my shoulder so I can get more peripheral vision.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I can't believe this thread is 7 pages long. The answer is so easy. If there are no cars around you, just back in. If there are cars around, don't hold up traffic in the parking lot and just pull in forward. Do people really struggle backing into a parking spot (especially with the cameras)?

Additionally - Do you guys rely on the camera? I make an effort to (back in) park using my mirrors and looking backwards as if I dont have a backup camera - only glancing at it after Ive backed into my spot.

Im such a Luddite, I cant help it.

Agreed I don’t use the camera. I sometimes glance at it after I’m straightened out.

 

[bigbottom]

I think I’ve come to conclusion that backing into a parking spot is definitely more efficient for those people who know how to back into a spot competently. Everyone is ultimately better off with those people backing in. I fully support the competent backer-inners in this thread.

What convinced you? I mean, I’ve seen people back in first go, albeit far less than those pulling forward.

But they still have to drive past the spot, stop, and reverse to get there.* Multiple extra steps, and distance added to the parking equation. Not sure how that’s more efficient.

Regardless, I bet the guys seamlessly backing in would be equally adroit pulling in/backing out.

*I know you drive that distance backing out, but I find backing out far easier than in - no issue side-swiping other vehicles, or entering a lane wider than a parking space.

I think my initial position was based more on anecdotal experiences than logic. A competent backer-inner will have already seen that the parking space is clear and the chances of anything coming into that space in the couple of seconds they are backing in are infinitesimally small. So a competent backer-inner will in most situations be able to back into a space more quickly than backing out of a space when they commonly have to deal with traffic, pedestrians, and moving carts in the area into which the are backing out. So, for the competent backer inners, it is more efficient for them, which on balance results in an overall efficiency improvement (not to mention safety improvement).

The issue arises when you have a less than competent backer-inner. Those are the people who have to do five point turns and take an interminably long time backing into the space which then backs up traffic. Incompetent drivers lack the skill and the confidence to quickly back into the smaller space, and therefore are far less efficient than backing out of a space into a wider area.

So my conclusion is this: competent backer-inners improve overall efficiency while incompetent backer-inners decrease overall efficiency.

If where you live there are a material number of incompetent backer-inners, your perception will be that backing in is categorically less efficient for anyone who backs in. That’s where I’ve modified my view. Even if it is less efficient overall due to the high number of incompetent drivers I see trying to back into a space, the issue is with the incompetency of the drivers and not with the act of backing in. That is why I am now supportive of the competent backer-inners posting in this thread.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I can't believe this thread is 7 pages long. The answer is so easy. If there are no cars around you, just back in. If there are cars around, don't hold up traffic in the parking lot and just pull in forward. Do people really struggle backing into a parking spot (especially with the cameras)?

Additionally - Do you guys rely on the camera? I make an effort to (back in) park using my mirrors and looking backwards as if I dont have a backup camera - only glancing at it after Ive backed into my spot.

Im such a Luddite, I cant help it.

My 2007 sedan has the extraordinarily advanced tech of the mirrors automatically adjusting downward when the car is in reverse so I can put it directly between the yellow lines every time. The camera is only useful to confirm there’s nothing behind me out of view. I also rely on the sensors when backing into my garage so I can put it right up against the back corner of the garage to leave plenty of room for my wife to park her car. If I were pulling straight into my garage I’d have to do a couple Y turns to get it straight in perfect position.

I also have a cassette tape deck AND a six disk cd changer so yeah, it’s a pretty sweet ride.

 

[ChiefD]

My BiL gave me the best advice for a newbie at this. Grab the steering wheel at the bottom with one hand. Which ever way your hand goes is the direction the trailer/boat will go.

So my whole life I've always been a turn around and look over my shoulder kind of guy when backing in the boat. As I've gotten older I have a bad neck, so it's been more difficult to do it that way.

This weekend I was getting the boat ready for spring so I was backing it in and out my garage, the big shop, and back to the garage.

So I tried your technique - worked like a champ. So thanks to you and your BIL for a great tip.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I can't believe this thread is 7 pages long. The answer is so easy. If there are no cars around you, just back in. If there are cars around, don't hold up traffic in the parking lot and just pull in forward. Do people really struggle backing into a parking spot (especially with the cameras)?

Additionally - Do you guys rely on the camera? I make an effort to (back in) park using my mirrors and looking backwards as if I dont have a backup camera - only glancing at it after Ive backed into my spot.

Im such a Luddite, I cant help it.

Until 4 days ago, never had a car with a camera. So I’m turning back and using mirrors too.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I think I’ve come to conclusion that backing into a parking spot is definitely more efficient for those people who know how to back into a spot competently. Everyone is ultimately better off with those people backing in. I fully support the competent backer-inners in this thread.

What convinced you? I mean, I’ve seen people back in first go, albeit far less than those pulling forward.

But they still have to drive past the spot, stop, and reverse to get there.* Multiple extra steps, and distance added to the parking equation. Not sure how that’s more efficient.

Regardless, I bet the guys seamlessly backing in would be equally adroit pulling in/backing out.

*I know you drive that distance backing out, but I find backing out far easier than in - no issue side-swiping other vehicles, or entering a lane wider than a parking space.

I think my initial position was based more on anecdotal experiences than logic. A competent backer-inner will have already seen that the parking space is clear and the chances of anything coming into that space in the couple of seconds they are backing in are infinitesimally small. So a competent backer-inner will in most situations be able to back into a space more quickly than backing out of a space when they commonly have to deal with traffic, pedestrians, and moving carts in the area into which the are backing out. So, for the competent backer inners, it is more efficient for them, which on balance results in an overall efficiency improvement (not to mention safety improvement).

The issue arises when you have a less than competent backer-inner. Those are the people who have to do five point turns and take an interminably long time backing into the space which then backs up traffic. Incompetent drivers lack the skill and the confidence to quickly back into the smaller space, and therefore are far less efficient than backing out of a space into a wider area.

So my conclusion is this: competent backer-inners improve overall efficiency while incompetent backer-inners decrease overall efficiency.

If where you live there are a material number of incompetent backer-inners, your perception will be that backing in is categorically less efficient for anyone who backs in. That’s where I’ve modified my view. Even if it is less efficient overall due to the high number of incompetent drivers I see trying to back into a space, the issue is with the incompetency of the drivers and not with the act of backing in. That is why I am now supportive of the competent backer-inners posting in this thread.

Well articulated, thanks.

I’m not really concerned about backing out delays, as my parking behavior (park far away) effectively mitigates problems on that end.

I was comparing pulling versus backing in. In almost any circumstance I encounter, the former is more efficient. Moving forward is just easier.

But bad drivers increase the likelihood of a delay in any situation, of course.

 

[nightmare]

For all of you bothered by the people backing into spots.
Here is your solution.

Take the first open spot you see. Walk the rest of the way.
You are no longer frustrated. You get some good exercise.

If your weak A%S excuse is that takes too much time-sit in your car and fume at the "delay"
by the person backing in.

My experience is a lot of people are bad at backing out and the percentage of people backing in
is so small I thought this was a world class troll job.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

For all of you bothered by the people backing into spots.
Here is your solution.

Take the first open spot you see. Walk the rest of the way.
You are no longer frustrated. You get some good exercise.

If your weak A%S excuse is that takes too much time-sit in your car and fume at the "delay"
by the person backing in.

My experience is a lot of people are bad at backing out and the percentage of people backing in
is so small I thought this was a world class troll job.

The percentage of people backing in is not so small anymore. That's what prompted the thread.

 

[nightmare]

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For all of you bothered by the people backing into spots.
Here is your solution.

Take the first open spot you see. Walk the rest of the way.
You are no longer frustrated. You get some good exercise.

If your weak A%S excuse is that takes too much time-sit in your car and fume at the "delay"
by the person backing in.

My experience is a lot of people are bad at backing out and the percentage of people backing in
is so small I thought this was a world class troll job.

The percentage of people backing in is not so small anymore. That's what prompted the thread.

The people backing in is not the "problem". Goodbye.

 

[Terminalxylem]

For all of you bothered by the people backing into spots.
Here is your solution.

Take the first open spot you see. Walk the rest of the way.
You are no longer frustrated. You get some good exercise.

If your weak A%S excuse is that takes too much time-sit in your car and fume at the "delay"
by the person backing in.

My experience is a lot of people are bad at backing out and the percentage of people backing in
is so small I thought this was a world class troll job.

I always take far spaces. Laziness is not the issue. I’ve been known to park over a mile away from my destination, intentionally.

My problem is the parking deck at work, with no alternative free parking anywhere nearby. I enter the bottom of the deck, and have to circle the floors behind other drivers, many of whom decide to back in. Believe me, if I could somehow teleport past them to the upper levels, as far as possible, I’d do it.

FTR, backing in is not uncommon everywhere, and it's becoming more popular, apparently.

 

[Doug B]

Only read about half of page 1 ... but am surprised at the utter hate for being held up waiting for someone to back in. I don't back in often ... but I also don't mind at all if others do it in front of me. Guess I'm already living life at old-man pace and don't mind the 10-count wait

I will say that some people attempt to back in, but can't. Over three back-in-back-outs on one parking attempt is a bit much. At least stay put a sec so I can drive past you and get another spot.

 

[nirad3]

Got to work about 15 minutes earlier than normal today, so the parking lot was slightly less packed than normal. One of my usual spots was free, as were the spots to either side AND directly ahead of it opposite the drive aisle. So I quickly and easily navigated a "back-in" parking job, just to give it a shot (and because I thought of this thread ). Having the backup camera really makes things a lot easier. Will it be of benefit when I leave tonight? Probably not, but I gave it a shot.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Unless it’s a big truck (I get that), it annoys the **** out of me. Particularly if it’s a busy parking lot and you’re holding up traffic to do your back and forth attempt to get into the space. What’s even better is since the person has to pull past the spot to back in, everyone else right behind them has to back up to give them room. You pull past the spot and I’m sweeping in to the spot right behind you……fight me.

We’re almost at the point we need separate parking for monster trucks/SUVs. Traditional spaces can’t accommodate the behemoths, which further slows the backing-in phenomenon.

They're emotional support vehicles.

I can't wait to steal this and unleash it on someone

 

[Navin Johnson]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

 

[Terminalxylem]

Only read about half of page 1 ... but am surprised at the utter hate for being held up waiting for someone to back in. I don't back in often ... but I also don't mind at all if others do it in front of me. Guess I'm already living life at old-man pace and don't mind the 10-count wait

I will say that some people attempt to back in, but can't. Over three back-in-back-outs on one parking attempt is a bit much. At least stay put a sec so I can drive past you and get another spot.

While patience is certainly a virtue, I’d prefer not wasting my golden years watching a 10-point turn.

But seriously, I’ve concluded this phenomenon is mostly a consequence of people driving bigger vehicles, which need to make wide, sweeping turns to fit in spots. I even notice it with the new car we just bought, which shares its wheelbase with a crossover.

I’d love the US to do Netherlands-style social engineering, by eliminating parking real estate, but not holding my breath on Americans downsizing anything.

 

[bigbottom]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

 

[Terminalxylem]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

Yeah, I see some legitimacy to the safety angle. The rest of it, not so much.

Moving backward is always more difficult than forward, imo. And entering a less confined area is easier than a smaller space. Lanes between parking stalls are always bigger than the spaces themselves. Ergo, exiting, whether moving forward or backward, is easier than the act of parking.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

Challenged by inferior drivers who can’t simply, efficiently and easily back into a spot, first try, every single time.

This isn’t an evasive maneuver. It’s trivial how easy it is that I question (the driving skills) of anyone who can’t pull it off.

I’m saying it’s REALLY easy to back into a spot!

 

[bigbottom]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

Challenged by inferior drivers who can’t simply, efficiently and easily back into a spot, first try, every single time.

This isn’t an evasive maneuver. It’s trivial how easy it is that I question (the driving skills) of anyone who can’t pull it off.

I’m saying it’s REALLY easy to back into a spot!

My post was about drivers who find it challenging to back out of a parking space. I presume that doesn’t describe you or anyone else posting in this thread.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

Challenged by inferior drivers who can’t simply, efficiently and easily back into a spot, first try, every single time.

This isn’t an evasive maneuver. It’s trivial how easy it is that I question (the driving skills) of anyone who can’t pull it off.

I’m saying it’s REALLY easy to back into a spot!

My post was about drivers who find it challenging to back out of a parking space. I presume that doesn’t describe you or anyone else posting in this thread.

I was just funnin

 

[-OZ-]

I’m saying it’s REALLY easy to back into a spot!

Especially with rear cameras. I find it easier to back in than to go forward when there are no other cars, and be within the lines in my large SUV - which isn’t to say pulling forward is that hard, it’s just even easier to back up.

 

[3C's]

Here's a safety thought for the backer inners. Let's say you've beautifully backed your Corvette (cuz you're all a bunch of midlife crisis dudes) in to a spot and didn't hold anyone up. Perfect! And now you've gone inside and come back out to find tall trucks/SUVs on either side of you. You can't see past these vehicles as you're pulling out so you have to slowly inch your way out and hope you don't run over someone or pull out in front of a car where the 18yo teen is staring at their phone. If you'd backed into the spot you could use you backup cameras to see around those oversized vehicles surrounding you.

 

[The Z Machine]

Here's a safety thought for the backer inners. Let's say you've beautifully backed your Corvette (cuz you're all a bunch of midlife crisis dudes) in to a spot and didn't hold anyone up. Perfect! And now you've gone inside and come back out to find tall trucks/SUVs on either side of you. You can't see past these vehicles as you're pulling out so you have to slowly inch your way out and hope you don't run over someone or pull out in front of a car where the 18yo teen is staring at their phone. If you'd backed into the spot you could use you backup cameras to see around those oversized vehicles surrounding you.

The new Vettes are mid engine so the hood isn't that big. You inch out, then when it's clear, you gun it, trying to see if the tires still hold.

 

[Navin Johnson]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

 

[Terminalxylem]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

 

[Navin Johnson]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

If you have a narrow lane to back into you have to worry about overturning and swinging your front end into a vehicle in an adjacent spot

 

[Terminalxylem]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

If you have a narrow lane to back into you have to worry about overturning and swinging your front end into a vehicle in an adjacent spot

But aren’t parking spots always narrower than the lanes you use to access them?

 

[Navin Johnson]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

If you have a narrow lane to back into you have to worry about overturning and swinging your front end into a vehicle in an adjacent spot

But aren’t parking spots always narrower than the lanes you use to access them?

Yes. Thats the point

 

[Terminalxylem]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

If you have a narrow lane to back into you have to worry about overturning and swinging your front end into a vehicle in an adjacent spot

But aren’t parking spots always narrower than the lanes you use to access them?

Yes. Thats the point

You lost me.

 

[Navin Johnson]

where I am delayed pretty routinely by backer-inners.

Why would anyone make this up? Do you think the OP, and posters like @John Maddens Lunchbox are just conjuring their irritation out of thin air?

On the flip side, there is incentive to claim every back-in is rapid and seamless, as proxy to say, I am a good driver.

I am skeptical of your take that this delays you routinely.

Just yesterday in a difficult to park in shopping centre where spots are limited, 4 separate drivers held up the trailing line of 10+ cars with their interminably lengthy reverse ins. The best effort was 2 reverse attempts. One joker took 5 goes. Thats why im in this thread lol
3 drivers went in front forward. Miraculously all only took one attempt. Then i found a spot, and what do you know. First go front in first.

It is becoming more common for mine and others time to be delayed while the reverser goes in that way. And then makes it difficult by leaving their shopping cart near where the trunk was. If you are gonna inconvenience people, go the whole hog seems to be their motto.

Just yesterday in a crowded lot, 4 separate drivers held up a line of ten people as they took forever to back out of their spot. The best effort took two see saws to create enough space.

I would make a couple observations here.

1) If those folks have that much trouble backing out of a car space, they would be an absolute nightmare backing into one. It would undoubtedly be a net negative for those particular people to switch to backing in.

I have found the opposite to be true. Backing in you don't have to worry about your front end swinging

Are you challenged by backing out of a parking spot?

More frequently than I am backing in.

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

If you have a narrow lane to back into you have to worry about overturning and swinging your front end into a vehicle in an adjacent spot

But aren’t parking spots always narrower than the lanes you use to access them?

Yes. Thats the point

You lost me.

Apparently

 

[-OZ-]

Here's a safety thought for the backer inners. Let's say you've beautifully backed your Corvette (cuz you're all a bunch of midlife crisis dudes) in to a spot and didn't hold anyone up. Perfect! And now you've gone inside and come back out to find tall trucks/SUVs on either side of you. You can't see past these vehicles as you're pulling out so you have to slowly inch your way out and hope you don't run over someone or pull out in front of a car where the 18yo teen is staring at their phone. If you'd backed into the spot you could use you backup cameras to see around those oversized vehicles surrounding you.

You don’t have a servant to block the parking lot for you?

 

[3C's]

Here's a safety thought for the backer inners. Let's say you've beautifully backed your Corvette (cuz you're all a bunch of midlife crisis dudes) in to a spot and didn't hold anyone up. Perfect! And now you've gone inside and come back out to find tall trucks/SUVs on either side of you. You can't see past these vehicles as you're pulling out so you have to slowly inch your way out and hope you don't run over someone or pull out in front of a car where the 18yo teen is staring at their phone. If you'd backed into the spot you could use you backup cameras to see around those oversized vehicles surrounding you.

You don’t have a servant to block the parking lot for you?

Of course I do. I call her my wife.

 

[MAC_32]

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

It's other traffic. Getting out of a spot in a busy lot is much easier going forward vs backward.

 

[Harry Manback]

Since there appears to be some confusion, I'll just leave these here:

Why reverse parking is safer | Geotab

Learn about reverse parking and get tips for driving safely in parking lots.

www.geotab.com

You should always reverse into a parking space - and here's why

Parking like a boss.

www.thejournal.ie

It’s much safer to back into parking spaces. Why don’t we do it?

There is hope for people with bad spatial skills: rear-view cameras.

www.vox.com

 

[B Maverick]

Here's a safety thought for the backer inners. Let's say you've beautifully backed your Corvette (cuz you're all a bunch of midlife crisis dudes) in to a spot and didn't hold anyone up. Perfect! And now you've gone inside and come back out to find tall trucks/SUVs on either side of you. You can't see past these vehicles as you're pulling out so you have to slowly inch your way out and hope you don't run over someone or pull out in front of a car where the 18yo teen is staring at their phone. If you'd backed into the spot you could use you backup cameras to see around those oversized vehicles surrounding you.

I find more people let you in when you are going forward than when you are backing out of the spot. Probably for the same reason people here don't like when someone backs in. Backing out takes longer and you have to give more space....

 

[Harry Manback]

The biggest thing is you rarely/never have cars and pedestrians in your path when you back into a spot. You often have both behind you when you back out. Going forward greatly increases the odds you will see those things, even with a rear camera to offset some of this more recently.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Is the challenge maneuvering your vehicle as you back out? Or avoiding traffic?

It's other traffic. Getting out of a spot in a busy lot is much easier going forward vs backward.

That’s fair.

But it seems like some people believe it’s technically easier to back into a space than back out of one (ignoring traffic). That’s nonsense imo.

For my habits (park far away, with less lot traffic, and avoiding driving to uber crowded venues), I rarely have difficulty backing out.

 

[the moops]

I find more people let you in when you are going forward than when you are backing out of the spot. Probably for the same reason people here don't like when someone backs in. Backing out takes longer and you have to give more space....

People in general are terrible drivers and kinds ******** when in their vehicles. It's why they hate roundabouts and the zipper merge.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I find more people let you in when you are going forward than when you are backing out of the spot. Probably for the same reason people here don't like when someone backs in. Backing out takes longer and you have to give more space....

People in general are terrible drivers and kinds ******** when in their vehicles. It's why they hate roundabouts and the zipper merge.

This is regional. As a whole, people here are pretty nice, sometimes even too deferential.