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This is where it comes down to. Youve been told to believe the unvaccinated are plague and that they are the cause of all our problems now. Monsters.
Right, but everyone always gives off the impression that every bed is covid when in reality hospitals aren't in the business to have a bunch of empty beds in the first place. That's my point. Compared to 97% the percentage of covid is going to be pretty low.
It's a compelling argument when it's never been done, not even close to the extent of this covid gaslighting. It's just your what if.
That 600,000 figure is mostly from the pre-vaccine era though.
You just described every single western country from their founding all the way up to around March of 2020.
Okay, fair enough. I've mentioned elsewhere that I would support vaccine mandates before I would accept mask mandates, so there's a pretty good chance that you and I are at least on adjacent pages even if we're not on the exact same page.
I don't think anybody believes that, and not sure why you got that out of his post.
So what? If circumstances change, you change tack. Keep in mind I was specifically referring to a case where a flu strain came in significantly "hotter" than normal -- not a "flu as usual" situation.
Not enough people have gotten the vaccinations to date. A society has to get vaccinated, not just a collection of individuals.
Skoo is right. In a society where 90% of the people are vaccinated, there would be some COVID spread but much diminished from what we have now. Both in rate of transmission and in severity of symptoms.
Herd immunity is not and has never been a firm, known-in-advance percentage. Herd immunity is instead a condition that can only be reliably ascertained after the fact. Furthermore, the different properties of individual strains (esp increases in replication rate) change how and when herd immunity is reached.
Okay. What if it turns out that herd immunity is mathematically impossible? Masks forever? Or at some point do we decide that enough is enough and vaccinated people can get back to their lives?
Herd immunity is always mathematically possible. It's just a matter of how we collectively get there.
Masks might be a new normal. I wear one when I can and I'm living my life just fine. I'm also vaccinated, but recognize that I could catch and transmit COVID to people who haven't been vaccinated and they could, in turn, fill up our small rural hospital taking away beds from others with serious health issues. Exceeding hospital capacity is the health crisis IMO.
I'd prefer to get rid of mask mandates, but the one place I think they should be mandated is K-12 if the school has a population of kids where the vaccine is not available. Young kids are a demographic, through no fault of their own, that are unable to vaccinate.
Agreed. That people would willingly fork over $200/month for the freedom to ignore science and endanger themselves and others... Shocking that anyone could be so dumb, yet here we are.
It's a little easier if you go with the consensus and look at their actions. Ie if 90% of doctors recommend the vaccine, and 90%+ also have gotten the vaccine... I am guessing you are going to be right waaaaayyyyyyy more often than rolling with the outliers.
I've already talked about my thoughts on masks but assuming there was a hypothetical mask mandate where I live (there never will be one again until a new more deadly virus appears - you can book that) I would probably be in favor of either waiting until all kids are eligible or the case count gets low again.
We are just barely over 50% for full vaccinations in the state of Florida. This is the problem with the talking point of %s because the reality is, that % is likely different for different parts of the country who have different circumstances and demographics.
Not to be Dr. Doom and Gloom but I am seriously thinking this will we always be at. new strains, mutations, boosters, etc....We will be dealing with this for a LONG TIME...Maybe forever. And yeah we may have to get to a point where we just say deal with it.
I wanna know why. We can vaccinate against all sorts of things, at early ages, why not COVID? That simple thing doesn't make any of you question the safety of the shots? At all? It does me. And I have had my shots.
I think this has been one of the most ridiculous and perplexing failures of the vaccine rollout. It does not make me question the safety.
Yeah, the ineptitude of our FDA isn't unique to this vaccine. Not sure why we'd project their ineptitude onto the efficacy/safety etc of the vaccines themselves.
It’s likely a dosing issue that they didn’t want to hold up the initial approval. At 18 or 16 you can pretty much consider them adults and dosing adjustments wouldn’t likely be needed. It might end up being the same dosing for the younger kids but if they did all ages at once they run the risk of delaying the approval. Just think if Pfizer or Moderna were delayed 3 or 6 months not old from the business standpoint but also the lives likely saved. The same is true about storage conditions and expiration dates, the companies went conservative on all of that to avoid delaying approval and gradually gotten more favorable conditions approved.
Don't think that will hold up in court. It will kill a bunch of people in the interim, though.
The FDA is incompetent.
