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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Weird take. Keenum and FOles played great. Bortles did not, but did play well in the playoffs.
Also, all three teams were rock solid everywhere on the roster. And especially with Keenum and Foles, their level of play was much higher than the level of play of their RBs.
I really have no idea what you are getting at.
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Fill the roster out with studs and there are plenty of options at QB that can take you to the playoffs. Draft another bust at QB and sit in purgatory for another 3-4 years.
-OZ-
Footballguy
daveR
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
So which QB is the 1.1? If there was a great QB that stood out, I would be all for the Browns making him their first pick. I don't see that QB in this draft. There is some really great talent in this draft at a few positions in this draft but QB does not seem to be one of those positions.
The Browns have reached for their QB enough times that they should know that is a losing proposition. The Browns need to draft BPA with a focus on QB. If they like players measurably more than their first QB, then they need to draft those players. They must reach some for a QB but overreaching will end in disaster.
The Browns have reached for their QB enough times that they should know that is a losing proposition. The Browns need to draft BPA with a focus on QB. If they like players measurably more than their first QB, then they need to draft those players. They must reach some for a QB but overreaching will end in disaster.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Can I float a theory/scenario?
#1 - Barkley
#4 - Chubb (I think if we go Saquon at 1, Chubb is 100% there at 4)
...... Keenum in FA, Allen Robinson in FA.
Offense now has Keenum (above average), Saquon, Gordon, AR15, Coleman, Njoku....
You can't honestly tell me that this offense won't put up points. And our defense, which I already rate quite highly, with Chubb..
Mamma mia...
#1 - Barkley
#4 - Chubb (I think if we go Saquon at 1, Chubb is 100% there at 4)
...... Keenum in FA, Allen Robinson in FA.
Offense now has Keenum (above average), Saquon, Gordon, AR15, Coleman, Njoku....
You can't honestly tell me that this offense won't put up points. And our defense, which I already rate quite highly, with Chubb..
Mamma mia...
MAC_32
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
In this scenario, who are the colts drafting? Or did the Jets trade up?
ETA: I just don't see it as 100% colts could really use Chubb.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
People also seem to be forgetting we own the first pick in round 2. Yes Barkely is the lead dog in the RB house but are the 2nd and 3rd prospects that far away from him? I think you target Guise at 2.01 and be just as happy.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Yes, Barkley and Gurley are generational talents, imo.
They are far and few inbetween, to have guys w this much talent, and hype.
It'll be nice having the league's eyes on us, for a good reason, and not cuz we drafted Manziel.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
So you know, Dorsey's #1 and #2 QB choices will be gone by pick 4?
No you don't.
And you also don't know how he has them ranked or will have them ranked.
If the Browns have a clear cut we want this QB, they should take him at 1 though.
If they don't, then they have an option to take a non QB at 1 and maneuver differently.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah. Offer it to those teams and tell them to get one of those pick, then trade with them
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It doesnt matter how he has them ranked. Ya dont fiddle around with which franchise QB you want.
-OZ-
Footballguy
ghostguy123
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
A first round pick is a high pick, especially when many people like me thought he was a third round pick at best. As a Raider fan, that pick was a gift from the heavens.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I don't think I'm alone but Quinn and Weeden certainly felt like reaches too.
Weeden arriving with his AARP card to rookie camp was reason enough to call that pick a reach.
Weeden arriving with his AARP card to rookie camp was reason enough to call that pick a reach.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Pick 22 is forever cursed. The browns got cute then ended up with the leftovers. Which is exacrly what you and others are suggesting we do again.
Actually their plan has to been to avoid studs, Wentz, Julio, etc and collect assists like Osweiler.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think if you pick Barkley at 1 you would just be wasting his talent until you get a qb in place. However I think if you get chubb at one to pair with Miles that is good enough alone for 6 wins. That would help your entire defense. Then at 4 you can still get a great player.
Chubb at 1 is just a no brainer
Chubb at 1 is just a no brainer
Peak
Footballguy
Defense would be able to rush the passer, but it's not going to help the offense. Defense may be able to get a few more turnovers, but unless they are returned for TDs at that time, it only gives the offense an extra opportunity to #### the bed. Chubb is a good player, but I don't see how an extra 6 wins can be attributed just to him being on the team.
Quinn and Manziel weren't reaches, many people thought pre-draft that they would go much higher than where they fell to (both guys were there at the Draft on Day 1 after all.) Manziel was obviously a very polarizing prospect, but most people thought he would be drafted pretty early. Quinn in particular most people thought Cleveland would take him at 3 where they went with Joe Thomas instead. At worst, Quinn seemed like a lock to fall no further than the Dolphins at 9 who surprised everyone and took Ted Ginn instead (that didn't work out so well either.) Quinn famously was taken to another room so he wouldn't be on camera anymore as he continued to fall, that was back when every pick was 15 minutes. Most of the teams in the 'teens did not need a QB so it was obvious he was going to fall at that point, just like Rodgers did when SF went with Smith.
Old Man Weedon was definitely a reach.
Old Man Weedon was definitely a reach.
amnesiac
beer is good
DocHolliday
Footballguy
That is not what I am saying. I'm saying that Cleceland needs to draft BPA and not go with a reach at QB. Maybe Cleveland sees it differently than I and they have at least one QB ranked as at least the second best player in the draft. I don't see that. Which QB is worth the number 1 pick?MAC_32 said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
They were. They were all stupid picks.DocHolliday said:
What does that have to do with this year though?
babydemon90
Footballguy
Let's put on some Superbowl game film. Foles might not be Rodgers or Brady, but his upside is very high... Superbowl MVP, 7 TD a game high.voiceofunreason said:
I wonder how many other good QBs get tagged as bums because they never get a chance in a decent setting or get drafted by the Browns.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dont not rag on superbowl mvp foles!!!!!!voiceofunreason said:
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Seriously? I was trying to point out that reaching for a QB hasn't worked for the Browns. You said the Browns haven't reached for a QB in twenty years.
I still don't know who you want as your QB.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
What Cleveland does this off-season should be fascinating. This possibilities are rich.
My arm-chair analysis. No QB in this draft is worth more than Barkley. Take Barkley #1. Just do it.
Promise Cousins an ARob signing, and get both. I don't think Cousins is a world beater, but he'd be extremely competent if surrounded by great talent
Trade down 1.4 to a QB hungry team and load up on defense/OL.
OR
Draft Barkley #1, draft Mayfield/LamarJ 1.4, and spend FA $$$$ on defense.
OR
The possibilities are limitless. Wish I could be reincarnated as Dorsey, circa today.
My arm-chair analysis. No QB in this draft is worth more than Barkley. Take Barkley #1. Just do it.
Promise Cousins an ARob signing, and get both. I don't think Cousins is a world beater, but he'd be extremely competent if surrounded by great talent
Trade down 1.4 to a QB hungry team and load up on defense/OL.
OR
Draft Barkley #1, draft Mayfield/LamarJ 1.4, and spend FA $$$$ on defense.
OR
The possibilities are limitless. Wish I could be reincarnated as Dorsey, circa today.
matttyl
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Or go to a better franchise, play indoors, with a great wr core and a fantastic defense. Hmmmmm..........
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hard to be too excited about Landy yet since we dont know what we gave. Better not be a 2nd.
I do very much like the addition though. Will he be overpaid? Sure. That's free agency though. If you never overpay anyone you will always be 50 million under the cap
Now sign Robinson and we just might look attractive to Cousins............though we might already with enough dollars shoved in his face.
I do very much like the addition though. Will he be overpaid? Sure. That's free agency though. If you never overpay anyone you will always be 50 million under the cap
Now sign Robinson and we just might look attractive to Cousins............though we might already with enough dollars shoved in his face.
ffweasel
Weasel Power
3rd at most. I’ll be disappointed if they actually gave up a 2nd. If they can lure Cousins away, the possibilities with their first 2 picks would be incredible.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
So you mean you don’t want to overpay for him while also monetarily overpaying him?
I suspect since we’re sending 2 picks, it won’t involve any 2nds. Will be surprised if it’s not 3.01 though.
While I want to improve the team, not sure this was accomplished in the right way.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
How do deals like this get announced yet we have no idea the compensation?? Stupid.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sorry but if you think this team will ever get players at market value you need to wake up. That is never happening until we have some winning seasons.
Really no point in having all the picks and cap space if all we do is draft 15 rookies a year and never win, then lose our own FAs who would never DREAM of giving us a hometown discount to stay.
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