Cleveland Browns (7 Viewers)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Johnny football lite.   Spread offense.  Small.  

JF lite? what does that mean? Baker is more dedicated and a way better passer than JFF ever was....now yes he is small and he does dumb #### a 21 year old would...but the JFF comp is lazy

Kid has balls, these other top QB prospects seem very......meh....Allen is a project...Rosen and Darnold just seem like they floated in college this past season

 

[Soulfly3]

Mayfield / Manziel comparisons is like comparing lewinski to kardashian cuz they both gobble ****

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don't find this all that far-fetched.  Might be a good ploy by the Jets.  Wait to see if your guy falls to you, and trade for him if he doesn't.

I wish the Jets were that smart. They’re not.

 

[ghostguy123]

Had the Jets offered pick 6 along with their 2019 1st and all three of those 2nds to move up to #1, man, that woulda made me think quite hard.  Woulda been way more than when we moved down from 2 to 8.  

I still think it is very realistic that the Colts make us a legit offer to move up to 4.  I'll take their 2019 1st 

So three QBs go 1,2,3, Colts deal up to take Barkley/Chubb, then at pick 5 who knows what Denver does.  It just depends how our FO feels about those top 3 or 4 non QBs.

 

[Bobcat10]

It's just kinda weird to make that move when you don't even know which guy you are going to get.  

Some Browns fans call that playing fantasy football at #4.

I think they just wanted to get up there and the price was only going to climb.

 

[Bobcat10]

Then it still has less value cause now rather than getting their #2 QB, teams will get their #3 QB since Indy was not going to take a QB, but now the Jets are.

Disagree.

If everyone had the same board, we wouldn't need to draft, we could just assign players.

 

[ghostguy123]

Disagree.

If everyone had the same board, we wouldn't need to draft, we could just assign players.

It doesnt take everyone.  I will just go ahead and say the jets take a QB that ONE of the QB needy teams would have taken with thar pick.  

You dont need every team to rank the guys the same.  If even one team drops out of the running the trade value of the pick decreases.

 

[Bobcat10]

It doesnt take everyone.  I will just go ahead and say the jets take a QB that ONE of the QB needy teams would have taken with thar pick.  

You dont need every team to rank the guys the same.  If even one team drops out of the running the trade value of the pick decreases.

Ok, but I disagree with the way your wrote your other post.  A team could be getting their QB1 at #4.  I understand with another QB off the board you could lose a trade partner, but the trade value of the pick is still there.  If someone wants it, they'll pay for it.  You don't need a bidding war to make a solid draft day trade.

I'm also confident someone loves Allen, just hoping it's not Dorsey.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ok, but I disagree with the way your wrote your other post.  A team could be getting their QB1 at #4.  I understand with another QB off the board you could lose a trade partner, but the trade value of the pick is still there.  If someone wants it, they'll pay for it.  You don't need a bidding war to make a solid draft day trade.

I'm also confident someone loves Allen, just hoping it's not Dorsey.

Pick #3 was NOT going to be a QB if the Colts picked there.  That pick will now be a QB.

Teams essentially only make big moves up for QBs.  With one more of the QBs gone that would NOT have been gone,  the following two statements are true:

1- The current trade value for pick 4 has decreased.

2- A team COULD still trade the same for that pick that they would have even before the Jets took a QB, it's just less likely.  

 

[Dez]

Should not have signed Hyde now Barkley is going to fall right in the Browns lap at 4.  QB's are going 1-2-3 I have to believe.

 

[Dez]

Apparently the Giants might take Barkley and not a QB.  If Dorsey wants to deal down a few spots from 4 he can still get a king's ransom.

 

[Bobcat10]

Pick #3 was NOT going to be a QB if the Colts picked there.  That pick will now be a QB.

Teams essentially only make big moves up for QBs.  With one more of the QBs gone that would NOT have been gone,  the following two statements are true:

1- The current trade value for pick 4 has decreased.

2- A team COULD still trade the same for that pick that they would have even before the Jets took a QB, it's just less likely.  

I completely understand what's going on here and never said pick #3 WAS going to be a QB when Indy owned it. 

Listen man, I get what you're saying.  I just don't think the value is much different and you're making it seem like this is the end of the world.  I never thought we would be the only team taking a QB in the top 3 and that there was a good chance it would end up QB-QB-QB.  And like I said, if someone wants #4, they'll come hard to try to get it, and I'll check that off right now as true.

 

[ghostguy123]

Should not have signed Hyde now Barkley is going to fall right in the Browns lap at 4.  QB's are going 1-2-3 I have to believe.

Even if we do get Barkley, it's still good to have Hyde.  Only like 5 million is guaranteed.  PLus it's nice to have a quality backup.  And yes, QBs will go 1-2-3 most likely.  No way the Giants turned down pick 6 and three 2nds if they were not taking a QB.

 

[onionsack]

Mayfield / Manziel comparisons is like comparing lewinski to kardashian cuz they both gobble ****

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Or what if you trade the #4 for Aaron Rodgers instead!?

Come on man, scenario 2 is just ridiculous.

OK.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/17/jets-explored-moving-to-no-1/

It’s still unclear who the Jets are targeting with the third overall pick in the draft. The latest tidbit regarding the move from No. 6 suggests that they’re definitely leaning quarterback.

Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that the Jets talked to the Browns about a move all the way to No. 1. Which means that, potentially, the jump to No. 3 is merely a pit stop on the way to the top of the draft.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

Do people really think the Browns would consider Barkley at four? Come on people the Browns aren't going to pass up on an elite pass rusher or elite DB to take a running back. I see Barkley going around 6-9.

This isn't 1985....................

 

[caustic]

Do people really think the Browns would consider Barkley at four? Come on people the Browns aren't going to pass up on an elite pass rusher or elite DB to take a running back. I see Barkley going around 6-9.

This isn't 1985....................

It's not like a RB has been taken at 1.04 in each of the last two drafts or anything... 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

OK.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/17/jets-explored-moving-to-no-1/

It’s still unclear who the Jets are targeting with the third overall pick in the draft. The latest tidbit regarding the move from No. 6 suggests that they’re definitely leaning quarterback.

Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that the Jets talked to the Browns about a move all the way to No. 1. Which means that, potentially, the jump to No. 3 is merely a pit stop on the way to the top of the draft.

Mehta is a tool that makes things up - but even if they did talk to Cleveland first (which I’m sure they did) - that only means they were looking for the  first at the time.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Do people really think the Browns would consider Barkley at four? Come on people the Browns aren't going to pass up on an elite pass rusher or elite DB to take a running back. I see Barkley going around 6-9.

This isn't 1985....................

Is it 2017 or 2016 - way back when RBs went in the top 5 of the draft?

 

[MAC_32]

Should not have signed Hyde now Barkley is going to fall right in the Browns lap at 4.  QB's are going 1-2-3 I have to believe.

Hyde signing won't stop anyone from picking Barkley. 

 

[Grahamburn]

The Jets would have made the same offer for the #1 and #2.  You have to take that offer unless you're taking a QB.  I'm almost 100% certain this draft will start with 3 signal callers.

 

[Thomas The Skank Engine]

OK.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/17/jets-explored-moving-to-no-1/

It’s still unclear who the Jets are targeting with the third overall pick in the draft. The latest tidbit regarding the move from No. 6 suggests that they’re definitely leaning quarterback.

Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that the Jets talked to the Browns about a move all the way to No. 1. Which means that, potentially, the jump to No. 3 is merely a pit stop on the way to the top of the draft.

I don't understand why the Browns would trade from 1 to 3.  Are you saying they take the guy the Jets want at 1 and hope the Giants (or whoever) don't take the guy the Browns really wanted at 2?  Or take the guy they want at 1, but then trade for 3 to take their 2nd/3rd choice because MOAR PICKS?  Unless whoever they take at 1 pulls an Eli, how does it make sense?  

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't understand why the Browns would trade from 1 to 3.  Are you saying they take the guy the Jets want at 1 and hope the Giants (or whoever) don't take the guy the Browns really wanted at 2?  Or take the guy they want at 1, but then trade for 3 to take their 2nd/3rd choice because MOAR PICKS?  Unless whoever they take at 1 pulls an Eli, how does it make sense?  

Yeah, doesnt really make sense.  Although it would make way more sense than drafting a non QB at 1 and their QB at 4.  

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I don't understand why the Browns would trade from 1 to 3.  Are you saying they take the guy the Jets want at 1 and hope the Giants (or whoever) don't take the guy the Browns really wanted at 2?  Or take the guy they want at 1, but then trade for 3 to take their 2nd/3rd choice because MOAR PICKS?  Unless whoever they take at 1 pulls an Eli, how does it make sense?  

 I'll try to be more clear and break it down

If Dorsey has the top three or just two QBs ranked close together.  

If the Jets rank the guy we took at #1 much higher than Dorsey and don't have the guy available to them ranked as high and offered the third pick assuring Dorsey would get a guy ranked close to the guy taken at one then we Dorsey would be assured of getting a QB he liked and he could pick up an extra 1st next year.

What people seem to assume is that one guy has to be clearly ranked head and shoulders above the rest or the by the time the draft comes that Dorsey will have a guy ranked so far ahead of the rest that he has to take them and not listen to any offers. 

False assumption.  It is possible that he has three or just two QBs ranked close together.

If the Jets had different rankings with the guy taken at #1 much higher than the guy they took at #3 and offered their pick AND a 1st next year that the decision is simple.

• Keep the guy picked at #1 
  

or

• Take the guy who is ranked close to the guy picked at #1 with the #3 AND pick up an extra 1st round pick next year
  

Dorsey can and might have two or three QBs ranked close together.

The Jets might rank the guy we take #1 much higher than the guy available to them with the #3 pick. 

To assume it is impossible to have two or three quarterbacks ranked close together is false.  The Jets would never have made the move if they didn't think a QB worthy of the pick would be available but the part people are missing is that Dorsey might have the top two or three QBs ranked close together and his second choice could be neck-and-neck with whoever he takes with the top pick.  

 

[ghostguy123]

 I'll try to be more clear and break it down

If Dorsey has the top three or just two QBs ranked close together.  

If the Jets rank the guy we took at #1 much higher than Dorsey and don't have the guy available to them ranked as high and offered the third pick assuring Dorsey would get a guy ranked close to the guy taken at one then we Dorsey would be assured of getting a QB he liked and he could pick up an extra 1st next year.

What people seem to assume is that one guy has to be clearly ranked head and shoulders above the rest or the by the time the draft comes that Dorsey will have a guy ranked so far ahead of the rest that he has to take them and not listen to any offers. 

False assumption.  It is possible that he has three or just two QBs ranked close together.

If the Jets had different rankings with the guy taken at #1 much higher than the guy they took at #3 and offered their pick AND a 1st next year that the decision is simple.

• Keep the guy picked at #1 
  

or

• Take the guy who is ranked close to the guy picked at #1 with the #3 AND pick up an extra 1st round pick next year
  

Dorsey can and might have two or three QBs ranked close together.

The Jets might rank the guy we take #1 much higher than the guy available to them with the #3 pick. 

To assume it is impossible to have two or three quarterbacks ranked close together is false.  The Jets would never have made the move if they didn't think a QB worthy of the pick would be available but the part people are missing is that Dorsey might have the top two or three QBs ranked close together and his second choice could be neck-and-neck with whoever he takes with the top pick.  

For all those things to happen, so like a 1/100 chance then?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

For all those things to happen, so like a 1/100 chance then?

Yeah, its not like the Jets tried to get the #1 pick already or anything.

Just saw this.

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Pete Smith‏ @_PeteSmith_ 17h17 hours ago

Pete Smith Retweeted

So if the Browns want a particular position and there are 2 that project to be just as good, but they can trade down, gain assets and still get one, that's bad?

 

[Soulfly3]

Pete Smith‏ @_PeteSmith_ 17h17 hours ago

Pete Smith Retweeted

So if the Browns want a particular position and there are 2 that project to be just as good, but they can trade down, gain assets and still get one, that's bad?

You're effing right it's bad, when someone moves up to #2 and plucks that QB you expected to be there at 3.

THis convo is getting out of hand... We're taking the guy we want at 1. End of story

 

[pantherclub]

why get cute?  you won.  

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You're effing right it's bad, when someone moves up to #2 and plucks that QB you expected to be there at 3.

THis convo is getting out of hand... We're taking the guy we want at 1. End of story

Yeah,  right so that is why you have to be smarter than that and wait till draft day and IF the the guy Dorsey likes is their at 3 you don't make the deal because uh, why again?

Its bad?  Its  cute?   Yeah.  Right.

 

[Soulfly3]

Take your guy at 1.

Don't blow EVERYTHING because you wanted a few extra throws at a dartboard.

Dorsey knows what he's doing. His QB will be here.

 

[pantherclub]

Yeah,  right so that is why you have to be smarter than that and wait till draft day and IF the the guy Dorsey likes is their at 3 you don't make the deal because uh, why again?

Its bad?  Its  cute?   Yeah.  Right.

you get the #1 qb and the #1 dlineman to go with the top dlineman from last draft and they all are cheap for the foreseeable future. so yeah dont get cute take whats right in front of you 

 

[ghostguy123]

Yeah, its not like the Jets tried to get the #1 pick already or anything.

Just saw this.

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Pete Smith‏ @_PeteSmith_ 17h17 hours ago

Pete Smith Retweeted

So if the Browns want a particular position and there are 2 that project to be just as good, but they can trade down, gain assets and still get one, that's bad?

I didnt say it's impossible, I just said it's very unlikely that every that needs to fall in place actually falls in place for that to happen.

 

[moondog]

Good read about trading down from Dan Labbe of cleveland.com

".....

When the Browns traded out of the No. 2 pick in 2016, they not only traded away the opportunity to pick Carson Wentz, they also passed on a Top 5 that included, along with the quarterbacks, cornerback Jalen Ramsey, defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott. All have gone on to make Pro Bowls and, two years in, can already lay claim to being among the best at their positions in the entire league. The Browns, meanwhile, have yet to see a single true impact player anywhere near that level emerge from the picks they acquired. One of those picks, of course, as you work through the gymnastics of multiple other trades, is the No. 4 pick this year.

Those gymnastics include the No. 12 pick a year ago. The Browns, after selecting Myles Garrett No. 1 overall, traded out of that spot with the likes of safety Malik Hooker and quarterback Deshaun Watson on the board. Both players suffered season-ending injuries, but both the Texans and Colts have to be thrilled with the Browns' decision.

This isn't just a Sashi Brown problem. Ray Farmer traded down from No. 4 overall in 2014, giving up the opportunity to add the likes of Khalil Mack, Mike Evans or Odell Beckham. Even Sammy Watkins, who has yet to live up to his Top 5 billing, would have offered more impact than Justin Gilbert, the player the Browns took in the end.  ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jets_trade_puts_no_4_pick_in_p.html#incart_river_index

 

[ghostguy123]

The odds they rank 2 QBs so close together that they are willing to trade one for the other fir a future 1st is quite slim.

The odds that they draft the guy the Jets wanted badly enough to give up a 1st is also maybe a 1/2, so 50-50 which isnt bad, but when you factor in the other stuff, such at what happens at pick #2............

so yeah, 1/100 at best we end up trading with the Jets

 

[ghostguy123]

Good read about trading down from Dan Labbe of cleveland.com

".....

When the Browns traded out of the No. 2 pick in 2016, they not only traded away the opportunity to pick Carson Wentz, they also passed on a Top 5 that included, along with the quarterbacks, cornerback Jalen Ramsey, defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott. All have gone on to make Pro Bowls and, two years in, can already lay claim to being among the best at their positions in the entire league. The Browns, meanwhile, have yet to see a single true impact player anywhere near that level emerge from the picks they acquired. One of those picks, of course, as you work through the gymnastics of multiple other trades, is the No. 4 pick this year.

Those gymnastics include the No. 12 pick a year ago. The Browns, after selecting Myles Garrett No. 1 overall, traded out of that spot with the likes of safety Malik Hooker and quarterback Deshaun Watson on the board. Both players suffered season-ending injuries, but both the Texans and Colts have to be thrilled with the Browns' decision.

This isn't just a Sashi Brown problem. Ray Farmer traded down from No. 4 overall in 2014, giving up the opportunity to add the likes of Khalil Mack, Mike Evans or Odell Beckham. Even Sammy Watkins, who has yet to live up to his Top 5 billing, would have offered more impact than Justin Gilbert, the player the Browns took in the end.  ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jets_trade_puts_no_4_pick_in_p.html#incart_river_index

But we did a bang up job with Coush, Brown, Warren, Richardson, Mingo........................

None of the trades were bad, the picks were bad whether we stayed put, traded up, or traded down.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I didnt say it's impossible, I just said it's very unlikely that every that needs to fall in place actually falls in place for that to happen.

Their hasn't been a consensus #1 QB.  I wish their was but people are going in every direction with who they want with the top pick.  I don't think it is far fetched that Dorsey likes more than one guy.

We know the Jets inquired about the top pick.

We aren't considering trading down unless we knew for certain was available which would mean 'on-the-clock'.

The Jets obviously must have wanted one guy more than anyone else but the Browns wouldn't make any deals unless they knew for certain who would be available at #3.

The Jets might have the guy they like fall into their laps or they might make one last  pitch and if a guy Dorsey likes is their then it isn't that unlikely.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Good read about trading down from Dan Labbe of cleveland.com

".....

When the Browns traded out of the No. 2 pick in 2016, they not only traded away the opportunity to pick Carson Wentz, they also passed on a Top 5 that included, along with the quarterbacks, cornerback Jalen Ramsey, defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott. All have gone on to make Pro Bowls and, two years in, can already lay claim to being among the best at their positions in the entire league. The Browns, meanwhile, have yet to see a single true impact player anywhere near that level emerge from the picks they acquired. One of those picks, of course, as you work through the gymnastics of multiple other trades, is the No. 4 pick this year.

Those gymnastics include the No. 12 pick a year ago. The Browns, after selecting Myles Garrett No. 1 overall, traded out of that spot with the likes of safety Malik Hooker and quarterback Deshaun Watson on the board. Both players suffered season-ending injuries, but both the Texans and Colts have to be thrilled with the Browns' decision.

This isn't just a Sashi Brown problem. Ray Farmer traded down from No. 4 overall in 2014, giving up the opportunity to add the likes of Khalil Mack, Mike Evans or Odell Beckham. Even Sammy Watkins, who has yet to live up to his Top 5 billing, would have offered more impact than Justin Gilbert, the player the Browns took in the end.  ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jets_trade_puts_no_4_pick_in_p.html#incart_river_index

Its a list and a terrible read.

Every draft is different.  

To base any decision off of what happened in the past is about as lazy as making a list and passing it off as journalism.  

 

[pantherclub]

Their hasn't been a consensus #1 QB.  I wish their was but people are going in every direction with who they want with the top pick.  I don't think it is far fetched that Dorsey likes more than one guy.

We know the Jets inquired about the top pick.

We aren't considering trading down unless we knew for certain was available which would mean 'on-the-clock'.

The Jets obviously must have wanted one guy more than anyone else but the Browns wouldn't make any deals unless they knew for certain who would be available at #3.

The Jets might have the guy they like fall into their laps or they might make one last  pitch and if a guy Dorsey likes is their then it isn't that unlikely.

thats a lot of "what if"

 

[Bracie Smathers]

thats a lot of "what if"

That is exactly what the draft is, what if and you'd better be prepared and not say 'impossible' or 'no  way that happens'.

 

[ghostguy123]

Their hasn't been a consensus #1 QB.  I wish their was but people are going in every direction with who they want with the top pick.  I don't think it is far fetched that Dorsey likes more than one guy.

We know the Jets inquired about the top pick.

We aren't considering trading down unless we knew for certain was available which would mean 'on-the-clock'.

The Jets obviously must have wanted one guy more than anyone else but the Browns wouldn't make any deals unless they knew for certain who would be available at #3.

The Jets might have the guy they like fall into their laps or they might make one last  pitch and if a guy Dorsey likes is their then it isn't that unlikely.

Yeah, so again, like a 1/100 shot all that happens.  It would be much more likely if the jets had pick 2, but even then it would be a longshot that the Browns value two guys so close that they dont really care much who they get, PLUS they would have had to draft the guy the Jets preferred.  

Now you add in the #2 pick which will very likely be a QB.  I will be shocked if the Giants do not draft a QB or trade the pick to someone else who does.

 

[pantherclub]

That is exactly what the draft is, what if and you'd better be prepared and not say 'impossible' or 'no  way that happens'.

not really in regards to where the browns are now.  you know what u have dont blow it. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

not really in regards to where the browns are now.  you know what u have dont blow it. 

What if the Browns don't make a deal and blow it?

IMPOSSIBLE!

 

[ghostguy123]

What if the Browns don't make a deal and blow it?

IMPOSSIBLE!

Please clarify this for me.

What do YOU think the chances are that the Browns do trade down with the Jets.  1/2?  1/5? 1/500??

I honestly dont expect a straight answer here, but figured I would ask anyway.

 

[pantherclub]

What if the Browns don't make a deal and blow it?

IMPOSSIBLE!

and?  at least they stuck to their plan. 

i have watched every play of chubbs career.  he is a cant miss. he will produce in the nfl.  he is an animal.  As far as qb goes trusty your evaluation process. 

 

[pantherclub]

Please clarify this for me.

What do YOU think the chances are that the Browns do trade down with the Jets.  1/2?  1/5? 1/500??

I honestly dont expect a straight answer here, but figured I would ask anyway.

and for what?  Another #1?  

 

[ghostguy123]

and for what?  Another #1?  

If they have the same grade on two guys, and one of the is there at three, and the Jets like the guy we took a lot more, then sure.

AS you said though, lot of ifs.

 

[MAC_32]

I really hope our decision makers are not spending this much time and energy on playing what if with the top 3 picks of the draft. 

 

[pantherclub]

If they have the same grade on two guys, and one of the is there at three, and the Jets like the guy we took a lot more, then sure.

AS you said though, lot of ifs.

why risk it though for only another #1?  You guys played that game last year and lost (so to speak) and now you are reaping the benefits.  DONT GET CUTE.  Such an amazing opportunity for your franchise. 

Still dont like the Taylor trade for a 3rd and now you have to make him a pocket passer but thats short term and you can overcome that.  Getting your top ranked qb and Chubb is a dream come true and winning the lottery. 

 

[Riversco]

Good read about trading down from Dan Labbe of cleveland.com

".....

When the Browns traded out of the No. 2 pick in 2016, they not only traded away the opportunity to pick Carson Wentz, they also passed on a Top 5 that included, along with the quarterbacks, cornerback Jalen Ramsey, defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott. All have gone on to make Pro Bowls and, two years in, can already lay claim to being among the best at their positions in the entire league. The Browns, meanwhile, have yet to see a single true impact player anywhere near that level emerge from the picks they acquired. One of those picks, of course, as you work through the gymnastics of multiple other trades, is the No. 4 pick this year.

Those gymnastics include the No. 12 pick a year ago. The Browns, after selecting Myles Garrett No. 1 overall, traded out of that spot with the likes of safety Malik Hooker and quarterback Deshaun Watson on the board. Both players suffered season-ending injuries, but both the Texans and Colts have to be thrilled with the Browns' decision.

This isn't just a Sashi Brown problem. Ray Farmer traded down from No. 4 overall in 2014, giving up the opportunity to add the likes of Khalil Mack, Mike Evans or Odell Beckham. Even Sammy Watkins, who has yet to live up to his Top 5 billing, would have offered more impact than Justin Gilbert, the player the Browns took in the end.  ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jets_trade_puts_no_4_pick_in_p.html#incart_river_index

I said the Browns should have taken Khalil Mack and Carson Wentz before those drafts took place, but the deals to trade down were pretty much universally praised in both cases.  This article is written in hindsight.  It also has no bearing on the future.  

 

[Riversco]

I really hope our decision makers are not spending this much time and energy on playing what if with the top 3 picks of the draft. 

The Browns absolutely MUST work out a deal with the Broncos to swap the #4 and #5.  The Broncos want a QB and the Browns could threaten to trade that pick to the Bills or Cardinals instead.