Do any experts predict Bush NOT to be a stud? (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

I am trying to gauge the value of Bush in my keeper league. I have been blessed with the 1.1 pick this year. We get to keep one player per position each year and I have either Tiki or McGahee for this year. With most of the top 12 RBs already being kept as keepers, I will have the choice between Bush, R. Brown, Cadillac, and Jordan (amng others) as my top choice. Several message board posters believe Bush will be a bust, but am considering taking him #1 overall just for the potential that he may be a top 5 for years to come. I am nt asking whetehr or not to take him, but rather, what have you heard from NFL "experts" that should make me believe otherwise. I cannot find any NFL "expert" who says Bush is over-rated and that Bush is not special. Please post anything you heard from experts regarding Bush, be it good or bad. Thanks.

 

[EBF]

I am trying to gauge the value of Bush in my keeper league. I have been blessed with the 1.1 pick this year. We get to keep one player per position each year and I have either Tiki or McGahee for this year. With most of the top 12 RBs already being kept as keepers, I will have the choice between Bush, R. Brown, Cadillac, and Jordan (amng others) as my top choice. Several message board posters believe Bush will be a bust, but am considering taking him #1 overall just for the potential that he may be a top 5 for years to come. I am nt asking whetehr or not to take him, but rather, what have you heard from NFL "experts" that should make me believe otherwise. I cannot find any NFL "expert" who says Bush is over-rated and that Bush is not special. Please post anything you heard from experts regarding Bush, be it good or bad. Thanks.

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I really haven't seen a single professional say he won't be a great pro.I'd take him over all of the backs listed, with Cadillac being my second choice. A lot of people will rip you for that decision, but I think it's the right move. Jordan is a mediocre NFL starter. Cadillac is solid and Brown has shown promise, but Bush is a better player than either.

 

[Sagan]

In watching Bush play, my main point of concern is that he gained a lot of yards and accomplished a lot with that "sprint to the outside and turn the corner" talent of his. It's indisputable that he's very fast, but I just wonder if he's fast enough to do the same thing with NFL linebackers and safeties on him.

I think he's plenty strong and shifty up the middle, but that's not where he particularly excelled in college, though he was good enough.

I think that main concern in the short term with Bush is any potential RBBC between him and Deuce. I'd probably still take him pretty high in a dynasty league, though.

 

[Sinrman]

I haven't seen anyone say anything to the contrary. I actually like his situation a LOT better in NO than Houston. So I think his value is even higher now then before...

 

[Tommy Collins]

I'd take him and combine him with another back for a stud. There is a TON of hype for this kid and if you can manage to get him, there will be alot of guys offering a bunch for him because they think he'll be something very special. It's obviously a gamble, especially having Deuce signed long term there with a new QB and WRs who have been sort of suspect.

 

[Football Jones]

In watching Bush play, my main point of concern is that he gained a lot of yards and accomplished a lot with that "sprint to the outside and turn the corner" talent of his.  It's indisputable that he's very fast, but I just wonder if he's fast enough to do the same thing with NFL linebackers and safeties on him.

I think he's plenty strong and shifty up the middle, but that's not where he particularly excelled in college, though he was good enough.

I think that main concern in the short term with Bush is any potential RBBC between him and Deuce.  I'd probably still take him pretty high in a dynasty league, though.

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You have the same "concern" I do about Bush. We all know he has enormous potential, but like any other prospect, how does his game translate to the pros? I'm not about to proclaim him a bust, but at the same time, I'm not ready to say he'll be a superstar, either (not at this point, anyway). I don't have him on any of my dynasty teams, but I'm anxious to see how he looks in the regular season (preseason isn't usually a good indicator, IMO). I'll be more inclined to predict stardom for Reggie Bush if he shows he has the vision to take advantage of his raw skills. I'm also interested to see if he can excel in the passing game. In short, I'm not really a skeptic, but I don't believe he's a sure thing like most FFers (& everyone else, as well).

 

[LMF]

In watching Bush play, my main point of concern is that he gained a lot of yards and accomplished a lot with that "sprint to the outside and turn the corner" talent of his.  It's indisputable that he's very fast, but I just wonder if he's fast enough to do the same thing with NFL linebackers and safeties on him.

I think he's plenty strong and shifty up the middle, but that's not where he particularly excelled in college, though he was good enough.

I think that main concern in the short term with Bush is any potential RBBC between him and Deuce.  I'd probably still take him pretty high in a dynasty league, though.

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You have the same "concern" I do about Bush. We all know he has enormous potential, but like any other prospect, how does his game translate to the pros? I'm not about to proclaim him a bust, but at the same time, I'm not ready to say he'll be a superstar, either (not at this point, anyway). I don't have him on any of my dynasty teams, but I'm anxious to see how he looks in the regular season (preseason isn't usually a good indicator, IMO). I'll be more inclined to predict stardom for Reggie Bush if he shows he has the vision to take advantage of his raw skills. I'm also interested to see if he can excel in the passing game. In short, I'm not really a skeptic, but I don't believe he's a sure thing like most FFers (& everyone else, as well).

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Agree to a point, I think that Reggie will be at least an average NFL back. But if you have Caddy and Ronnie Brown which have been proven to be good solid backs, then I would select them over any rookie, no matter if i had doubt or not.LMF

 

[Donnybrook]

I am trying to gauge the value of Bush in my keeper league. I have been blessed with the 1.1 pick this year. We get to keep one player per position each year and I have either Tiki or McGahee for this year. With most of the top 12 RBs already being kept as keepers, I will have the choice between Bush, R. Brown, Cadillac, and Jordan (amng others) as my top choice. Several message board posters believe Bush will be a bust, but am considering taking him #1 overall just for the potential that he may be a top 5 for years to come. I am nt asking whetehr or not to take him, but rather, what have you heard from NFL "experts" that should make me believe otherwise. I cannot find any NFL "expert" who says Bush is over-rated and that Bush is not special. Please post anything you heard from experts regarding Bush, be it good or bad. Thanks.

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Phil Savage has some concern about whether Bush can endure 20-25 carries for 16 games at the pro level.

At the NFL Combine in February, Savage suggested that the diminutive Bush - the likely No. 1 pick - would not hold up as an every-down back.

"In my opinion, with Reggie Bush, more may be less and less could be more," Savage said. "Whichever team takes Reggie at the top of the draft, if they utilize him in the right way, he can still be a Heisman Trophy winner at the pro level, even if he's only touching the ball 10 or 15 times a game.

"I think when you get in a situation at his size, 200 pounds or so, when you're carrying it 20 or 25 times a game for 16 games, I think that's almost an impossibility for somebody to do that the way the game is played right now."

It's the prevailing opinion about Bush, but nobody else has expressed it.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindeale...6370.xml&coll=2Other than that I have heard very little criticism.

 

[Portis 26]

I think the concern is not so much that he won't be a great back, it's that he destined to be stuck in some form of RBBC. Deuce is on a big $$$ contract and he won't be going anywhere for a while.

Bottom line, he could have a lot of 7-8 carries for 40 yards and 5 catches for 40 yards and a TD every couple of games. That's not bad, but it's not amazing either. I mean by ways of comparison I'd expect Ron Dayne to average about 80 yards rushing a game and a TD every couple of games, which would amount to the same thing as Bush.

I'm not saying Bush is in the same ballpark as Dayne. What I am saying is that in Year 1 of his career he might post similar numbers as him. Two or three years down the line I'd expect him to bulk up and emerge as a true starting back and start putting up studly numbers.

 

[Sopranos]

I would be surprised if he were top 5 in fantasy football. In the NFL he will be of more value.

 

[Kleck.]

Joe T

 

[Sopranos]

I would go Caddy or R Brown over Bush.

 

[TME]

If Warrick Dunn can be a 280 carry back, then, I think Bush can be a 300 carry back. On average, that's probably 50 carries less than most top fantasy backs, but you hope that Bush can do more with less and also play a major role in the passing game and make up some ground there.

My main concern at this point is more of the RBBC with Duece than how many touches he can take. It's more of, how many touches will he get.

 

[Demons]

I would be surprised if he were top 5 in fantasy football. In the NFL he will be of more value.

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[FTRWRTR]

The most important thing here is you're in a KEEPER league which means you need him to pay off far sooner than those who can draft him in a dynasty league. As has been mentioned he'll be in a rbbc and I agree with the above poster that reggie bush will have far more NFL value than ff value. With the top pick in the keeper you need a featured rb, not someone stuck in a rbbc

 

[coolnerd]

I am trying to gauge the value of Bush in my keeper league. I have been blessed with the 1.1 pick this year. We get to keep one player per position each year and I have either Tiki or McGahee for this year. With most of the top 12 RBs already being kept as keepers, I will have the choice between Bush, R. Brown, Cadillac, and Jordan (amng others) as my top choice. Several message board posters believe Bush will be a bust, but am considering taking him #1 overall just for the potential that he may be a top 5 for years to come. I am nt asking whetehr or not to take him, but rather, what have you heard from NFL "experts" that should make me believe otherwise. I cannot find any NFL "expert" who says Bush is over-rated and that Bush is not special. Please post anything you heard from experts regarding Bush, be it good or bad. Thanks.

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Phil Savage has some concern about whether Bush can endure 20-25 carries for 16 games at the pro level.

At the NFL Combine in February, Savage suggested that the diminutive Bush - the likely No. 1 pick - would not hold up as an every-down back.

"In my opinion, with Reggie Bush, more may be less and less could be more," Savage said. "Whichever team takes Reggie at the top of the draft, if they utilize him in the right way, he can still be a Heisman Trophy winner at the pro level, even if he's only touching the ball 10 or 15 times a game.

"I think when you get in a situation at his size, 200 pounds or so, when you're carrying it 20 or 25 times a game for 16 games, I think that's almost an impossibility for somebody to do that the way the game is played right now."

It's the prevailing opinion about Bush, but nobody else has expressed it.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindeale...6370.xml&coll=2Other than that I have heard very little criticism.

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Casserly in quite a few interviews referred to Bush as 12-15 touch guy. He thought that he is player that you accounted like Moss or Steve Smith even without him touching the ball. This view is one the gazilion factors that made them pass on bush.IMO, Bush will develop into more of a tradional RB as time goes on, but espeically in the earlier parts of his career, his greatest asset is the ability to make explosive plays not, not move the chains. The best way to get the explosive plays is get him involved in right kind of plays more than a whole lot of plays.

 

[Loopdog]

i would go with Ronnie Brown

do you want the next Tomlinson or the next Brian Westbrook

if you want Westbrook, pick Bush

if you want Tomlinson, pick Brown

 

[coachjim]

Reggie Bush will be a very good NFL back. That said it may take a few years to really become a great FF back. I had a trade offer in for the 1st pick in this years dynasty draft. When he went to NO I withdrew the offer. Had Deuce not signed a multi year big $$$ contract things might be different. I can see him getting 10-15 touches a game and doing very well but certainly not top 5 in FF. If he stays in NO I feel he will be a great NFL back and a strong #2 fantasy back.

 

[JAA]

me

 

[Bri]

If Warrick Dunn can be a 280 carry back, then, I think Bush can be a 300 carry back.  On average, that's probably 50 carries less than most top fantasy backs, but you hope that Bush can do more with less and also play a major role in the passing game and make up some ground there.

My main concern at this point is more of the RBBC with Duece than how many touches he can take.  It's more of, how many touches will he get.

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The latter point, I like in that it gives Payton some time to work him in and get his feet wet. (Like others have said) It's curiously similar to them having Ricky and drafting Deuce. I think Deuce benefitted greatly from that rookie year. A post above yours Phil Savage seems to disagree but almost wonderring too about Bush getting alot of carries. IMO He's gotta bulk up a bit. He's got some terrific moves and (in highlights) seems to run to the opposite side when a play fails. I remember several pros taking huge hits when they've tried this or when their cutesy move fooled no one. Even though he's a great prospect he's still gonna mess up on occasion like every rook while he learns. I hope he can take that hit.

It's almost like winning an athletic lottery when you can be smallish and play in the NFL. Warrick Dunn is sooo not the norm. There must be 1000s of D1, D2, and D3 small backs that'll never sniff the pros because teams don't think they can take the hit.

Somewhere after 18 carries your legs and the Ds legs are tired. Tired muscles are weak and vulnerable to injury.

 

[Hobbes]

You have the same "concern" I do about Bush. We all know he has enormous potential, but like any other prospect, how does his game translate to the pros? I'm not about to proclaim him a bust, but at the same time, I'm not ready to say he'll be a superstar, either (not at this point, anyway).

I don't have him on any of my dynasty teams, but I'm anxious to see how he looks in the regular season (preseason isn't usually a good indicator, IMO). I'll be more inclined to predict stardom for Reggie Bush if he shows he has the vision to take advantage of his raw skills. I'm also interested to see if he can excel in the passing game. In short, I'm not really a skeptic, but I don't believe he's a sure thing like most FFers (& everyone else, as well).

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I would be more concerned with his translation to the NFL if he was more of a straight-ahead speed rusher (a la Rashan Salaam) but Bush makes a lot of initial moves that free him into the second level where he has more space to work. Those moves will translate fine...with regular 10-15 yard rushes and occasionally breaking one. He isn't going to be as dominating as he was in college but no one is expecting 500+ yard games anyway...but I do think 125 a game in combined yardage and a TD per game is very realistic...I don't know about you but I'll take 2000 combined yards and 16TDs...

 

[3nOut]

Thanks for the input. As I had suspected, not much criticism of Bush. I am tempted to take him and see how he does this year, just so I can keep him for next year. I'm afraid of being the guy who "passed on" Bush. If I have a chance now...

 

[P Boy]

I would be more concerned with his translation to the NFL if he was more of a straight-ahead speed rusher (a la Rashan Salaam) but Bush makes a lot of initial moves that free him into the second level where he has more space to work. Those moves will translate fine...with regular 10-15 yard rushes and occasionally breaking one. He isn't going to be as dominating as he was in college but no one is expecting 500+ yard games anyway...but I do think 125 a game in combined yardage and a TD per game is very realistic...I don't know about you but I'll take 2000 combined yards and 16TDs...

Bush hasn't played 1 down of pro football, and no one has seen him in live bullets vs the bigs, & you are expecting - not hoping - but expecting 2000 combined yds & 16 TDs?Wow. This love for Bush is growing to ridiculous proportions.

 

[P Boy]

I'm afraid of being the guy who "passed on" Bush.

Absolute wrong reason for taking a player - but a mistake that I think NFL GMs make more than they'll ever admit.You take a player because he'll help your team & you are sure that he's the best player available at that position.I don't think Bush fits the second criteria, IMO. I've posted that several times here at the board with my logic, which jibes with the detractions above.Be the owner who has the last laugh, and don't pay any attention to the owners who make the first ones.

 

[3nOut]

bump... it's been a while.

 

[SSOG]

Here's the problem with experts. The "experts" never predict *ANY* high-first round pick to NOT be a stud. I mean, where were all the experts saying Ron Dayne was going to be a scrub, or saying that Tim Couch was going to be a collossal failure?

Don't make decisions based on what the experts say. The experts don't know squat.

 

[MLBrandow]

I am trying to gauge the value of Bush in my keeper league. I have been blessed with the 1.1 pick this year. We get to keep one player per position each year and I have either Tiki or McGahee for this year. With most of the top 12 RBs already being kept as keepers, I will have the choice between Bush, R. Brown, Cadillac, and Jordan (amng others) as my top choice. Several message board posters believe Bush will be a bust, but am considering taking him #1 overall just for the potential that he may be a top 5 for years to come. I am nt asking whetehr or not to take him, but rather, what have you heard from NFL "experts" that should make me believe otherwise. I cannot find any NFL "expert" who says Bush is over-rated and that Bush is not special. Please post anything you heard from experts regarding Bush, be it good or bad. Thanks.

Think solid RB2....

Now think Reggie Bush.....

Now combine the two....

 

[Ozymandias]

In the last 30 years, there have been 6 running backs taken #1 in the NFL draft.

Only one of them was an unqualified success (Campbell), although a second might have been had he not been injured and played longer (Bo). A couple of other have been ok (Rogers and Sims), perhaps not permanent allstars, but had some good years.

KiJana Carter Seasons 8, Pro bowls 0

Bo Jackson, Seasons 4, Pro Bowls 1

George Rogers, Seasons 7, Pro Bowls 2

Billy Sims, Seasons 5, Pro Bowls 3

Earl Campbell, Seasons 8, Pro Bowls 5

Ricky Bell, Seasons 6, Pro Bowls 0

Bush was not taken #1, but most thought he would be. So, the odds are against Bush being a a stud. That doesn't mean he cannot be, just that history has not been kind to very highly rated running backs coming out of college.

 

[EBF]

Bush was not taken #1, but most thought he would be. So, the odds are against Bush being a a stud.

I'd strongly disagree with that logic. The future isn't bound by the past. Every player is a unique case. Anyhow, I could turn your argument right back around on you and say we should look at top 5 RBs drafted in the past decade:

1.02 - Ronnie Brown

1.04 - Cedric Benson

1.05 - Cadillac Williams

1.05 - LaDainian Tomlinson

1.05 - Jamal Lewis

1.04 - Edgerrin James

1.05 - Ricky Williams

1.05 - Curtis Enis

Not exactly bad company. Enis was a bust. The jury's out on last year's crop. The other four guys developed into star players.

I don't see many legitimate reasons to expect Bush to fail. A lot of people are searching for reasons to dislike him, which is common with every super-hyped athlete, but I don't think much of that skepticism is warranted.

 

[Ozymandias]

Bush was not taken #1, but most thought he would be.  So, the odds are against Bush being a a stud.

I'd strongly disagree with that logic. The future isn't bound by the past. Every player is a unique case. Anyhow, I could turn your argument right back around on you and say we should look at top 5 RBs drafted in the past decade:

1.02 - Ronnie Brown

1.04 - Cedric Benson

1.05 - Cadillac Williams

1.05 - LaDainian Tomlinson

1.05 - Jamal Lewis

1.04 - Edgerrin James

1.05 - Ricky Williams

1.05 - Curtis Enis

Not exactly bad company. Enis was a bust. The jury's out on last year's crop. The other four guys developed into star players.

I don't see many legitimate reasons to expect Bush to fail. A lot of people are searching for reasons to dislike him, which is common with every super-hyped athlete, but I don't think much of that skepticism is warranted.

That's fair enough. The question is not whether he fails, but whether he will be an uber-stud. I think he will be successful, and there is not doubt that he is very fast, but I wonder about a player who wasn't given the short yardage plays at his own college.Of the list you posted above, I think Tomlinson and Edgerrin James are uberstuds, and Ricky might have been. Jamal Lewis was borderline uber, and the jury is still out on the others.

 

[EBF]

That's fair enough. The question is not whether he fails, but whether he will be an uber-stud. I think he will be successful, and there is not doubt that his is very fast, but I wonder about a player who wasn't given the short yardage plays at his own college.

He scored 16 rushing TDs last year. That was top ten in the nation.This argument has shades of "if Bush is so good then why did LenDale White get the ball on 4th and one against Texas?" It's a pretty tiresome argument, so I'll keep my response very simple.

1. LenDale White was an utterly dominant college player. Maybe he's not a great pro prospect, but he was a dominant player in college. Dominant players demand touches. No on faults McGahee for sitting behind Portis and no one faults Portis for sitting behind James Jackson, so I'm not so sure why everyone is hung up on one play where Bush was on the sidelines.

2. Reggie Bush's value is not as a classic 25 carry-per-game RB, but rather as a RB/WR hybrid. This is something that I've been saying all offseason and something that I'll probably be repeating until the season starts. A good, good portion of his value will come from his receptions and his receiving yards. He doesn't have to get the short yardage work to be a top PPR RB. Brian Westbrook has never scored more than 7 rushing TDs in a season, but he's been a terror in PPR leagues for the past two years. Bush is a better athlete than Brian Westbrook.

 

[Rushmore]

I think Bush's hype is too much at this point. To live up to some of the recent expectations, he's going to have to be much better than I expect him to be.

 

[Loopdog]

take ronnie brown man

do not take reggie bush over ronnie brown

 

[Two Deep]

Great talent, only durability can hold him back. Other than looking frail in the legs nothing suggests he can't be durable. It is not about being the biggest guy it is about knowing how to take a hit, knowing how and when to fall, delivering the blow instead of absorbing it, ala Walter "Sweetness" Payton.

 

[parasaurolophus]

bush is an amazing talent and will be a stud NFL player. but here is the situation i would look at. Would you have drafted Barry Sanders before emmitt smith in a fantasy draft? draft barry before terrell davis? on a real team, yes. fantasy team, no. I dont think reggie will be better than Barry so i guess i would probably say he wont be a great fantasy player. Very good, but not great. i think Ronnie Brown has the potential to be a great fantasy back. He will be an every down player and should be in a great offensive situation. i would take him before bush. i would take cadillac as well, then bush. and for the record i am not an auburn fan.

 

[primo]

If Warrick Dunn can be a 280 carry back, then, I think Bush can be a 300 carry back.

I don't think that's a fair analogy. I understand they're both small RB's, but Dunn is superhumanly tough. Very few RB's Dunn's size throughout history have had his toughness and/or durability. I am skeptical about whether Bush can endure a full load for the course of the entire season. N.O.'s RBBC also worries me. I think he'll be solid at worst and will provide plenty of ESPN footage, but I'm not sure he has legend written on him.

 

[greenroom]

To me Reggie Bush equals Micheal Vick at QB.

Bush like Vick will drive people crazy. Has the talent and hype to be a great player and will have games in the season that will just blow you away, but will not do it every week. So to me he will be a good player, but you will always seem to think he should of done more with his talent. And so you will be disappointed with the end results.

 

[JohnnyU]

Here's the problem with experts. The "experts" never predict *ANY* high-first round pick to NOT be a stud. I mean, where were all the experts saying Ron Dayne was going to be a scrub, or saying that Tim Couch was going to be a collossal failure?

Don't make decisions based on what the experts say. The experts don't know squat.

Didn't Tim Couch have a decent rookie season, then his arm fell off?

 

[zamboni]

I think Bush's hype is too much at this point. To live up to some of the recent expectations, he's going to have to be much better than I expect him to be.

I agree. Not to say he won't be a star, but I think too many experts are assuming that he will have no problem replicating his college success at the pro level.

 

[amnesiac]

To me Reggie Bush equals Micheal Vick at QB.

Bush like Vick will drive people crazy. Has the talent and hype to be a great player and will have games in the season that will just blow you away, but will not do it every week. So to me he will be a good player, but you will always seem to think he should of done more with his talent. And so you will be disappointed with the end results.

this is what scares me about Bush (although to be honest, i'm not in position to add him to any of my teams) - he may be on of those players where one week he'll explode, the next week you will be wondering why you started him. the Vick comparison imo, is pretty spot on. much better NFL player (impact on gameplan) than FF player.

 

[SSOG]

Here's the problem with experts. The "experts" never predict *ANY* high-first round pick to NOT be a stud. I mean, where were all the experts saying Ron Dayne was going to be a scrub, or saying that Tim Couch was going to be a collossal failure?

Don't make decisions based on what the experts say. The experts don't know squat.

Didn't Tim Couch have a decent rookie season, then his arm fell off?

Does it matter what reason he busted for? Will Reggie Bush owners be alright if Bush busts because his arm fell of, because you know, at least he wasn't the Ryan Leaf of runningbacks?The point is the experts always predict great things for top-5 picks. A lot of those top-5 picks don't come anywhere NEAR expectations. Saying that there isn't any expert that predicts Bush will be a bust doesn't mean a thing to me, since no expert ever predicts a top-5 pick will be a bust, and yet, some top-5 picks become busts.

 

[Bri]

Here's the problem with experts. The "experts" never predict *ANY* high-first round pick to NOT be a stud. I mean, where were all the experts saying Ron Dayne was going to be a scrub, or saying that Tim Couch was going to be a collossal failure?

Don't make decisions based on what the experts say. The experts don't know squat.

Didn't Tim Couch have a decent rookie season, then his arm fell off?

Does it matter what reason he busted for? Will Reggie Bush owners be alright if Bush busts because his arm fell of, because you know, at least he wasn't the Ryan Leaf of runningbacks?The point is the experts always predict great things for top-5 picks.

people pay millions of dollars for these predictions and non one expects every one to come true.I would say any Couch prediction is a wash. He got sacked so often, they never built him a line, his coaches werfe awful, and he probably averaged 3k yards when he played. 3k is just fine, if not very good, for a young QB. QBs like pitchers can throw their arm out. RBs seem to tear their knees up fairly frequently. Some injuries are unpredictable and the nature of the beast. I'd say Couch is a wash.

I'd also mention that young Bledsoe took his share of hits and made it thru to put up HOF numbers thus far. David Carr is hoping this is finally the year he doesn't get beaten. Pennington's arm might be done. Hence...nature of the beast

 

[King of the Jungle]

To me Reggie Bush equals Micheal Vick at QB.

Bush like Vick will drive people crazy. Has the talent and hype to be a great player and will have games in the season that will just blow you away, but will not do it every week. So to me he will be a good player, but you will always seem to think he should of done more with his talent. And so you will be disappointed with the end results.

this is what scares me about Bush (although to be honest, i'm not in position to add him to any of my teams) - he may be on of those players where one week he'll explode, the next week you will be wondering why you started him. the Vick comparison imo, is pretty spot on. much better NFL player (impact on gameplan) than FF player.

He will be the type of player that could be shut down for the majority of a game...then, blam...69 yard screen pass for a touchdown. He is a rookie, and will not dominate every game. But you have to love his explosive potential to bring it to the house on every play. Plus, he will contribute in the passing game quite a bit.

 

[Shiver44]

I am only high on Bush in a PPR league, where he should be a fantasy stud. In a 'standard' scoring system, I would definitely say he's overrated from a fantasy perspective, at least as long as Deuce is there stealing touches and TDs.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am only high on Bush in a PPR league, where he should be a fantasy stud. In a 'standard' scoring system, I would definitely say he's overrated from a fantasy perspective, at least as long as Deuce is there stealing touches and TDs.

I think having Duece there actually helps him. Utilize him just like USC did. I think he is most effective with 20 touches (passing + receiving). You want him to be explosive everytime he puts his hands on the ball.

 

[Blitzkrieg88]

If Warrick Dunn can be a 280 carry back, then, I think Bush can be a 300 carry back.

I don't think that's a fair analogy. I understand they're both small RB's, but Dunn is superhumanly tough. Very few RB's Dunn's size throughout history have had his toughness and/or durability. I am skeptical about whether Bush can endure a full load for the course of the entire season. N.O.'s RBBC also worries me. I think he'll be solid at worst and will provide plenty of ESPN footage, but I'm not sure he has legend written on him.

Huh? Dunn is 5'9" and 180... Bush is 5'11" and 205 (and still growing)... why do people think Bush is small?He has good size, great speed, is strong as hell, and can make cuts like a deer on a bad day and like Barry Sanders on a good day. He will be a solid pro.

Signed,

A Bitter Texan Fan

 

[SSOG]

Here's the problem with experts. The "experts" never predict *ANY* high-first round pick to NOT be a stud. I mean, where were all the experts saying Ron Dayne was going to be a scrub, or saying that Tim Couch was going to be a collossal failure?

Don't make decisions based on what the experts say. The experts don't know squat.

Didn't Tim Couch have a decent rookie season, then his arm fell off?

Does it matter what reason he busted for? Will Reggie Bush owners be alright if Bush busts because his arm fell of, because you know, at least he wasn't the Ryan Leaf of runningbacks?The point is the experts always predict great things for top-5 picks.

people pay millions of dollars for these predictions and non one expects every one to come true.I would say any Couch prediction is a wash. He got sacked so often, they never built him a line, his coaches werfe awful, and he probably averaged 3k yards when he played. 3k is just fine, if not very good, for a young QB. QBs like pitchers can throw their arm out. RBs seem to tear their knees up fairly frequently. Some injuries are unpredictable and the nature of the beast. I'd say Couch is a wash.

I'd also mention that young Bledsoe took his share of hits and made it thru to put up HOF numbers thus far. David Carr is hoping this is finally the year he doesn't get beaten. Pennington's arm might be done. Hence...nature of the beast

Alright, fantastic, you're missing the point.1. Experts NEVER predict top-5 picks will bust.

2. Some top-5 picks will bust.

3. The title of this thread is "Do any experts predict Bush NOT to be a stud?"

4. My opinion is that what the experts think is irrelevent, based on points #1 and #2.

 

[WhoDat]

Bush was not taken #1, but most thought he would be. So, the odds are against Bush being a a stud. That doesn't mean he cannot be, just that history has not been kind to very highly rated running backs coming out of college.

Bush not being taken #1 had as much, if not more, to do with his signability than anything else. Economics of the situation played a larger role in Bush being bypassed by the Texans than Bush's talent. McNair made it crystal clear that the #1 pick would be under contract prior to the Texans going on the clock. Period. Bush and his camp made it equally clear they wanted potential franchise quarterback type money and signing bonus. Without those two items it appeared Bush would hold out. I caught a report that Team Bush did not report back to the Texans for an alleged 48 hour period immediately prior to the draft. Don't you think that sends a pretty strong message? Couple that with the events surrounding Bush just prior to the draft and McNair's wishes and cannot it not be considered the Texans made the right business decision? A football decision and business decision can be two completely different things. Lastly, if other teams realized this was taking place, how much leverage would the Texans have found in trade negotiations had they taken Bush #1 overall?

Him not being taken #1 overall by the Texans had everything to do with money and making a financial business decision. Filling a team need appeared to be secondary, as the draft unfolded and using hingsight to look back at what happened.

I am not saying I agree with what took place but I understand the course of action McNair and Co. took and that course of action has absolutely nothing to do with what Bush will or will not do in the NFL. Speaking of Bush in the NFL...

I think he will be a great NFL talent but I do not think he will be the FF darling people are expecting. He'll be a great NFL player and good FF player.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think with Reggie Bush you have to HOPE you get Brian Westbrook type numbers. Bush will be used in the same type fashion and thus I dont see him being a STUD this season.

 

[Joe Bryant]

and can make cuts like a deer on a bad day and like Barry Sanders on a good day.

Eeee-zeee there blitz... J