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I think this has been answered. No, because it puts him in a position to win the general election, a result which would be terrible for the country.
Any Republican would get to pick an open SC seat and undo Biden policies.No, Democrats are scared to death of Trump
If he runs, I think he wins .... and if he wins, he has 4 years of undoing Biden policy and a possibility of more SC nominations .... that's why IMO CNN runs hate ad's on Trump every single day
No, Democrats are scared to death of Trump
If he runs, I think he wins .... and if he wins, he has 4 years of undoing Biden policy and a possibility of more SC nominations .... that's why IMO CNN runs hate ad's on Trump every single day
I'm not a Dem and I'm scared to death of Trump. I think he believes he's above the law. I think he's vindictive which isn't a good trait when you have the launch codes. I think he's not professional and that hinders our standing with other countries. As an example, I'd prefer not to see boycotts at the 2026 World Cup we are co-hosting with Mexico and Canada.
Our world standing has been much more receptive with our current president. He doesn't ridicule the world leaders he doesn't admire (like the despots and dictators who were previously admired). As far as his "dictator like decisions", he's passing mandates to try and help ALL of us get through this pandemic. On a minor note, nobody has LITERALLY done these things you say.and yet even as people think the above, the current President passes mandates, dictator-like decisions, had hurt our world standing just in these few short months ... Biden literally HAS done those things
Trump doesn't scare me at all
How could you say "sign me up" for a guy who pulled Trump's act after he lost? How is that not remove this name from your pool of names you want?and yet even as people think the above, the current President passes mandates, dictator-like decisions, had hurt our world standing just in these few short months ... Biden literally HAS done those things
Trump doesn't scare me at all
No, Democrats are scared to death of Trump...
Absolutely. Shouldn’t we all want the two (or more) best qualified candidates to run, to maximize the chances we move forward as a country? Even a hyperpartisan voter should want that.Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.
Poor white rural Christian America would gladly vote for Dan Crenshaw. Even Wesley Hunt. They would rather show up to the voting booth to vote for a Republican they don't like over any Democrat. But many Democratic Party voters will just refuse to show up if they don't like the candidate ( Hillary Clinton for example) Progressives just don't turn out at the voting booth consistently enough as well. They exist just enough to take some primaries and to risk splitting voters just enough for the GOP to take some wins.
So the goal then is not to win, but to have good candidates? Even if Trump guaranteed a win?Absolutely. Shouldn’t we all want the two (or more) best qualified candidates to run, to maximize the chances we move forward as a country? Even a hyperpartisan voter should want that.
In no scenario is Trump the best R or independent. His presence as a candidate will only serve to debase the election process, and distract from meaningful discussion of relevant issues.
On top of that, there’s the near certainty of shenanigans associated with his candidacy, with potential for civil unrest and legal waste if/when he loses.
Purely from a strategic point of view, as in "which GOP candidate makes it more/less likely that generic Democratic candidate wins", most Democrats probably see Trump as the most beatable.*I know in general the thread has turned predictably into taking shots at each side.
Back to the topic, do you think Democrats should hope Trump is the nominee again?
As a lifelong non-voter with similarly apolitical friends, I think GG is incorrect. There are a lot of people who will be mobilized (again) purely to vote against Trump. In other words, I think the anti-Trump re-election voters will outnumber the pro-Trump ones.I find this interesting. And I've sensed a little of this myself in people I know and talk to.
Do you have a thought on why this is?
How could you say "sign me up" for a guy who pulled Trump's act after he lost? How is that not remove this name from your pool of names you want?
The Republican Party has plenty of other options.
Excellent points. I agree and hadn't thought about that. A Trump endorsement would probably go a long way with a republican nomineePurely from a strategic point of view, as in "which GOP candidate makes it more/less likely that generic Democratic candidate wins", most Democrats probably see Trump as the most beatable.*
From a best for the country point of view, most Democrats probably recognize that Trump being the GOP candidate is terrible for the country, even if he loses, and would prefer that he not be the candidate.
* Caveat (all IMO, of course) - Other GOP candidates being more/less beatable than Trump depends highly on how the GOP nomination plays out. If Trump chooses not to run and instead plays kingmaker, fully endorsing the nominee, that nominee would have a much better chance to win than Trump himself. If Trump runs, loses the nomination, and pulls his sore loser act encouraging his supporters to stay home (or encourages write-in votes for himself), the GOP nominee might well have no chance at all in the general.
Yep. The left in general hammers on Trump constantly. Which makes me think they are scared of him too. But then I ask why? And I come back to the question of whether the left really believes in their message? Or are they so fractured they fear they cannot win in 2024?to keep a Democrat from being next President and if Trump is the best way to stop that, I'm in
that's why Biden was elected - nobody really liked Biden, there were plenty of other options, the Democratic party felt Biden gave them the best chance and so Biden it was
if GOP think Trump is their best chance, it'll be Trump in 2024
CNN everyday hammers on Trump still - a year after leaving office they dedicate media space to anti-Trump articles ... they're scared to death of him
Yep. The left in general hammers on Trump constantly. Which makes me think they are scared of him too. But then I ask why? And I come back to the question of whether the left really believes in their message? Or are they so fractured they fear they cannot win in 2024?
This has been answered dozens of times in this thread.Yep. The left in general hammers on Trump constantly. Which makes me think they are scared of him too. But then I ask why? And I come back to the question of whether the left really believes in their message? Or are they so fractured they fear they cannot win in 2024?
From a best for the country point of view, most Democrats probably recognize that Trump being the GOP candidate is terrible for the country, even if he loses, and would prefer that he not be the candidate.
Oh. are you the thread cop on this one? Sorry. Wasn't aware you have ruled.This has been answered dozens of times in this thread.
Not a thread cop. Just trying to help you find the answer to the question you keep asking.Oh. are you the thread cop on this one? Sorry. Wasn't aware you have ruled.
So since the question has been answered, will you be so kind to email the moderators and tell them to close the thread? No need to talk more I guess? You have decided.Not a thread cop. Just trying to help you find the answer to the question you keep asking.
Not a thread cop. Just trying to help you find the answer to the question you keep asking.
I did exactly that in the same post.For the future, if the goal is real discussion, a quick copy and paste from 1 or 2 previous answers will be way more helpful than telling the person the question has already been answered dozens of times.
This has nothing to do with thread cop. You asked a question. Lots of people answered. You asked the same question over again, and people answered. For the most part, all the answers from many different posters were the same. You keep asking the same question and keep getting the same answer. However, you have yet to acknowledge that the question has been answered at all, much less comment on the answer.So since the question has been answered, will you be so kind to email the moderators and tell them to close the thread? No need to talk more I guess? You have decided.
Should we close every thread when an answer is given to a question? BOOM.>Someone answered..Per Rich, thread should be closed now!
From page 1No. They don’t want him nominated.
Why?
1) He will beat Biden this time, easily
2) he’s a massive threat to democracy
3) once he gets back in the White House, he will never leave again — he will push for a 3rd term and his spineless party will support that absurdity (along with any other nonsense he lobbies for)
So I CAN do me? After that diatribe you are now allowing me to do me? Well I appreciate that very much. ThanksThis has nothing to do with thread cop. You asked a question. Lots of people answered. You asked the same question over again, and people answered. For the most part, all the answers from many different posters were the same. You keep asking the same question and keep getting the same answer. However, you have yet to acknowledge that the question has been answered at all, much less comment on the answer.
You do you, I guess, but seems like the next logical step on your part is not to just repeat the question, but to comment on the answer already provided.
From page 1I think Trump is probably easier to beat, but he's also much more likely to destroy democracy in the US. So, easy call.
From page 1I’m not a Democrat but I’ll take a shot.
For me I don’t want him to run because I think he’s got a real shot at winning due to how bad the field will likely be for the Democratic nominees in 24. Add to that the dissatisfaction many of us in the middle have with how Biden has done it could push votes that went for Biden last time back to Trump.
From page 1Just hearing this guy’s BS for months on end as the nom is reason enough to not want him not be a part of the process.
Plenty of people answered the question already. It doesn’t take very long perusing the thread from the beginning to see how this one got off course.For the future, if the goal is real discussion, a quick copy and paste from 1 or 2 previous answers will be way more helpful than telling the person the question has already been answered dozens of times.
Wouldn't that be best for the country?So the goal then is not to win, but to have good candidates? Even if Trump guaranteed a win?
Like I have said..If Hillary wins the nom, republicans would be salivating. If Bernie wont it, who really IS bad for the country, republicans would be cheering in the streets. So I don't get it. Now if you wanna say Trump isn't the worst candidate, I get that. I don't see much worse from a R side, but maybe I am off.
Im not allowed to answer this, Sorry.Wouldn't that be best for the country?
Somebody's feelings got hurtIm not allowed to answer this, Sorry.
Rich yelled at me. And if I could take my ball and go home i WOULD!!!Somebody's feelings got hurt
Again these are not general rules. It’s all about Trump. when Trump goes away, a lot of this stuff goes away.This thread seems to (anecdotally) confirm what I have suspected: Democrats want what's best for the country, whereas Republicans want what's best for the party.
I am willing to throw in the caveat that Republicans seem to think that only Republicans are good for the country so by that logic, they want what's best for the country too.
Yep. The left in general hammers on Trump constantly. Which makes me think they are scared of him too. But then I ask why? And I come back to the question of whether the left really believes in their message? Or are they so fractured they fear they cannot win in 2024?
There are other reasons. It seems to me to be a pretty standard part of a general political playbook to go after the most popular/visible person on the other side, especially when things aren't wildly positive on your own side. Focusing too much attention on someone other than Trump would be a mistake, IMO, as it would give that person more credibility for their potential voting base. Trump is the easiest one to go after.
If the only reason to hammer someone on the other side is because of fear, than does that mean that the right still fears H. Clinton? And how do you explain the continued fascination with Obama?
Yes, at least to me, the goal is to have good candidates. Not to just "win at all costs". That's more of a sports mentality. This isn't a game.supermike80 said:So the goal then is not to win, but to have good candidates? Even if Trump guaranteed a win?
Like I have said..If Hillary wins the nom, republicans would be salivating. If Bernie wont it, who really IS bad for the country, republicans would be cheering in the streets. So I don't get it. Now if you wanna say Trump isn't the worst candidate, I get that. I don't see much worse from a R side, but maybe I am off.
All good till you threw this last sentence in. Since some have not seen it as so obvious, this makes no sense. If Donald Trump is dangerous to democracy and he would lose in the 2024 election to the dems because he is so crummy, that should help the ,cause not hurt it.So yes, please keep Donald Trump away from the nomination at all costs. Democracy is what's at stake with this guy. Not sure how that isn't obvious by now.
Donald Trump being dangerous to democracy has nothing to do with "and he would lose the 2024 election to dems because he is so crummy". Not sure where that part came from. He can be dangerous to democracy all by itself.All good till you threw this last sentence in. Since some have not seen it as so obvious, this makes no sense. If Donald Trump is dangerous to democracy and he would lose in the 2024 election to the dems because he is so crummy, that should help the ,cause not hurt it.
Sorry I didn't see something as so obvious.
For what it’s worth, I answered his question before he even started this thread. I think my answer parallels many subsequent answers in this thread.Joe Bryant said:For the future, if the goal is real discussion, a quick copy and paste from 1 or 2 previous answers will be way more helpful than telling the person the question has already been answered dozens of times.
To the bolded, Biden is the only Democrat I have ever voted for in any federal office...and it was really against Trump, not for Biden at all. Figured he would be better than he has been, but not by much. Still miles ahead of Trump in every category for me, even though I might agree with some of Trump's policies more so than Biden's.pinkham13 said:Not a Democrat. Don’t want Trump. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans at the top of the ticket in my lifetime. Rhetoric varies between the two but the end results and trajectory are always the same. More loss of privacy and freedom to gather/breathe freely. More restricted travel and invasive searches. More concentrated power control and wealth for the few at the top.
For what it’s worth, I answered his question before he even started this thread. I think my answer parallels many subsequent answers in this thread.
https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/798345-january-6-defendants/?do=findComment&comment=23793729
supermike80’s response:
https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/798345-january-6-defendants/?do=findComment&comment=23793942
Seems to me like this was a pretty simple question asked, question answered, answer accepted, exchange.
All good till you threw this last sentence in. Since some have not seen it as so obvious, this makes no sense. If Donald Trump is dangerous to democracy and he would lose in the 2024 election to the dems because he is so crummy, that should help the ,cause not hurt it.
Sorry I didn't see something as so obvious.
He already lost once..why not again??????This seems to me the biggest disconnect in this conversation.
I think you might be the only one thinking that "crummy" and "dangerous to democracy" naturally leads to him losing the election.
He could. Maybe would. But there happen to be a heck of a lot of people out there who don't think he was crummy or dangerous to democracy, want him to win, and some think he never even lost the first time.He already lost once..why not again??????