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[SeniorVBDStudent]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period.

And everything BB worked for goes down the drain.

Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

You might find it surprising coming from a rabid Patriots fan, but I agree with this, including the career over, everything down the drain, etc., at least as it applies to the clandestine taping of the Rams pre-superbowl walkthrough.Are we to believe that Pepper Johnson spies a telescope watching the Patriots walkthrough and it temporarily halts the walkthrough, and yet an employee of the Patriots is allowed to "stay behind" after a press conference and freely videotape the Rams walkthrough with no one questioning him? Does that not strike anyone as dubious at best?

If the Rams walkthrough taping ever in fact happened, I would never be able to trust an employee from the video department to "keep his mouth shut" despite confidentiality agreements, etc. The only way this could happen in my mind is if the league was operated by organized crime, in which case anybody who knew about such activity would be "rubbed out". Since Walsh is alive, I conclude that he's got nothin. That belief is further re-enforced by the fact that this story is being brought up again after months of sitting on the shelf at superbowl time, and by the fact that the key guy talking smack is Arlen Spector, a career laughingstock politician who is widely known to be in Comcast's back pocket. I was happy to hear the Patriots issue a vehement denial of this allegation, and I wonder aloud to what extent the Patriots have recourse to pursue slander/libel recourse against some of the involved parties (Boston Herald, Matt Walsh, Arlen Spector).

Probably none . . . truth is an absolute defense in defamation cases.

Link to proof of said "truth"? TIA.

 

[AB in DC]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period.

And everything BB worked for goes down the drain.

Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

LOL, of course. Does anyone really believe that Pete Rose would risk betting on baseball, Michael Jordan betting on golf or Wayne Gretzky betting on sports in general? Those are 3 of the greatest players in the history of their sport. They are ultra-competitive. They did everything they could to win and turned to betting when their careers were over (playing careers, at least) to keep up the "high" of competing .

But that's my point. The only thing that Rose, Jordan, and Gretzky ever lost is that Rose doesn't get into the HoF. Big whoop.

I'm talking about BB taking risks during his career, when he's got a whole lot more to lose.

 

[AB in DC]

Is anyone really dumb enough to believe Goodell's explanation that there was no videotape about Super Bowl XXXVI, so that exonerates the Patriots?

When did Goddell ever say they were exonerated? All I saw is Goodell saying they have no evidence supporting the accusations.

 

[twitch]

This entire story is breaking for one of 3 reasons-

1) Someone somewhere really has a ton of money on New England and thinks leaking some BS, speculative story will somehow infuriate New England's players resulting in a similar game as the 1st San Diego earlier this year.

2) Jay Glazer was pissed that his name kept being dropped regarding why Roger Goodell destroyed the tapes to begin with. Which would in turn lead one to wonder how the hell does a clown like Jay Glazer end up being the only guy with a tape and what the hell are HIS sources??

3) Some gathering of haters out there, or an individual hater like perhaps Senator Spector, wants to make sure this next Superbowl title, if indeed it does happen, is good and tarnished.

Take your pick. Personally, I dont like any of them. And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes. But Im done with it. Its a non-story essentially.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

This entire story is breaking for one of 3 reasons-

1) Someone somewhere really has a ton of money on New England and thinks leaking some BS, speculative story will somehow infuriate New England's players resulting in a similar game as the 1st San Diego earlier this year.

2) Jay Glazer was pissed that his name kept being dropped regarding why Roger Goodell destroyed the tapes to begin with. Which would in turn lead one to wonder how the hell does a clown like Jay Glazer end up being the only guy with a tape and what the hell are HIS sources??

3) Some gathering of haters out there, or an individual hater like perhaps Senator Spector, wants to make sure this next Superbowl title, if indeed it does happen, is good and tarnished.

Take your pick. Personally, I dont like any of them. And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes. But Im done with it. Its a non-story essentially.

I agree with you, and would lump Mike Lupica and Sal Palatanio into that group of agenda-driven yellow journalists.

 

[Tau837]

This entire story is breaking for one of 3 reasons-1) Someone somewhere really has a ton of money on New England and thinks leaking some BS, speculative story will somehow infuriate New England's players resulting in a similar game as the 1st San Diego earlier this year. 2) Jay Glazer was pissed that his name kept being dropped regarding why Roger Goodell destroyed the tapes to begin with. Which would in turn lead one to wonder how the hell does a clown like Jay Glazer end up being the only guy with a tape and what the hell are HIS sources?? 3) Some gathering of haters out there, or an individual hater like perhaps Senator Spector, wants to make sure this next Superbowl title, if indeed it does happen, is good and tarnished. Take your pick. Personally, I dont like any of them. And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes. But Im done with it. Its a non-story essentially.

Whether there is truth to it or not, it is most assuredly not a non-story.

 

[Gopher State]

The NFL will not let church's show the superbowl on big screens, but they let this stuff go on

Someone's not watching the hen house close enough, because the fox (NE) is stealing them blind

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The NFL will not let church's show the superbowl on big screens, but they let this stuff go onSomeone's not watching the hen house close enough, because the fox (NE) is stealing them blind

Riiiight. 31 other owners in a billion-dollar industry are going to let this happen. Very plausible.

 

[off]

the fact that the key guy talking smack is Arlen Spector, a career laughingstock politician who is widely known to be in Comcast's back pocket. ... I wonder aloud to what extent the Patriots have recourse to pursue slander/libel recourse against some of the involved parties (Boston Herald, Matt Walsh, Arlen Spector).

While I agree that Arlen Spector is grandstanding about having Congressional hearings, what did he say that could possibly be considered slander against the Patriots?

 

[fatness]

I'm not passing judgement,just putting this article out since we do need a little more talk heading into Sunday,

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7749384?MSNHPHMA

A member of the New England Patriots' video staff taped the St. Louis Rams' last walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl, a Boston newspaper reported Saturday.

The NFL, however, said it was satisfied this was not another Spygate.

"We were aware of the rumor months ago and looked into it. There was no evidence of it on the tapes or in the notes produced by the Patriots, and the Patriots told us it was not true," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press.

What a thorough investigation.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

somewhere Andy Reid and Jon Gruden are laughing behind there playcall sheets

 

[Wilbur Wood]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand.

Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time.

Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.

This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

 

[scott72]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand. Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time. Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

Time to pay the piper...

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand.

Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time.

Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.

This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

Time to pay the piper...

Will you gentlemen be kind enough to bump this thread if the facts end up not supporting your half-baked theories? Walsh should be brought forward and whatever "evidence" he has should be examined under the light of day. Until then, your opinions are exactly that.

 

[428143]

somewhere Andy Reid and Jon Gruden are laughing behind there playcall sheets

 

[Bill]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand. Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time. Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

wow-i never realized how many people on this site are consumed by: ENVY

 

[scott72]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand.

Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time.

Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.

This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

Time to pay the piper...

Will you gentlemen be kind enough to bump this thread if the facts end up not supporting your half-baked theories? Walsh should be brought forward and whatever "evidence" he has should be examined under the light of day. Until then, your opinions are exactly that.

Absolfrickenlutely..I think all we want (as Pat fans should want to) to know what really happened. What a great way for Patriot fans to finally be able to say Hell yeah, our Championship seasons WERE legit to shove it up your *** everyone. Now wouldn't that feel good? Like I posted in the other thread. If this happened to my team, I'd want to know the truth either way so when they were vindicated I could have my moment in the sun with the "I told ya so!" moment. I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing. The Patriots brought this on themselves with the taping in the first place and I think deep down even Pats fans wonder what the truth is as well.

 

[The Dude]

This completely takes NE out of the "Dynasty" talk if they win today. Not sure what the diffference is between the Pats and Bonds as far as cheating/integrity of the game.

 

[AB in DC]

This completely takes NE out of the "Dynasty" talk if it's true. Not sure what the diffference is between the Pats and Bonds as far as cheating/integrity of the game.

Fixed.

 

[AB in DC]

I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing.

Right now it is nothing.If this Walsh guy really has the goods, then it will be something. Not before.

 

[Bill]

I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing.

Right now it is nothing.If this Walsh guy really has the goods, then it will be something. Not before.

 

[AB in DC]

And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes.

Actually, that's just proof that people have been investigating these rumors for months and found nothing.If no one's found anything in the past five months, what makes anyone think that something will turn up in the next five days?

 

[scott72]

I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing.

Right now it is nothing.If this Walsh guy really has the goods, then it will be something. Not before.

Ok I'll agree with that. It will definitely be interesting to see what Walsh has to say. Who will get to him first? Specter or Goodell? Or a hitman?

 

[scott72]

And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes.

Actually, that's just proof that people have been investigating these rumors for months and found nothing.If no one's found anything in the past five months, what makes anyone think that something will turn up in the next five days?

Because new information has just surfaced such as Walsh's comments and the alleged pre Superbowl tape of the Pats/Rams.

 

[Tau837]

I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing.

Right now it is nothing.If this Walsh guy really has the goods, then it will be something. Not before.

Ok I'll agree with that. It will definitely be interesting to see what Walsh has to say. Who will get to him first? Specter or Goodell? Or a hitman?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period.

And everything BB worked for goes down the drain.

Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

LOL, of course. Does anyone really believe that Pete Rose would risk betting on baseball, Michael Jordan betting on golf or Wayne Gretzky betting on sports in general? Those are 3 of the greatest players in the history of their sport. They are ultra-competitive. They did everything they could to win and turned to betting when their careers were over (playing careers, at least) to keep up the "high" of competing .

But that's my point. The only thing that Rose, Jordan, and Gretzky ever lost is that Rose doesn't get into the HoF. Big whoop.

I'm talking about BB taking risks during his career, when he's got a whole lot more to lose.

OK, sorry. I missed that it was your point, although in truth all 3 were still involved in management, Rose as the manager and Jordan and Gretzky were upper management/ownership. And of course there are other players who have gambled, like Hornung and Karras. I see your point, I guess I just don't agree with it.

BTW - This doesn't take away from the coaching talent of Belichick or his players. It just makes you wonder if what got them over the hump, especially given that they won each game by 3 points, was some illegal info. But of course, as the local Charlotte paper points out this morning, Panthers fans shouldn't be crying too much because there were at least a couple of confirmed steroid users on that Super Bowl team.

 

[Road Warriors]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand.

Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time.

Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.

This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

Time to pay the piper...

Will you gentlemen be kind enough to bump this thread if the facts end up not supporting your half-baked theories? Walsh should be brought forward and whatever "evidence" he has should be examined under the light of day. Until then, your opinions are exactly that.

Absolfrickenlutely..I think all we want (as Pat fans should want to) to know what really happened. What a great way for Patriot fans to finally be able to say Hell yeah, our Championship seasons WERE legit to shove it up your *** everyone. Now wouldn't that feel good? Like I posted in the other thread. If this happened to my team, I'd want to know the truth either way so when they were vindicated I could have my moment in the sun with the "I told ya so!" moment. I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing. The Patriots brought this on themselves with the taping in the first place and I think deep down even Pats fans wonder what the truth is as well.

One huge hole in your theory is the likely fact that there is no "exonerating" evidence, but rather a lack of any guilty evidence. What many here have shown through the course of this ordeal is that if you believe the Patriots to be guilty, you don't feel the need for proof of guilt. If this story just disintegrates after the Super Bowl is over, and no tapes or any other real evidence comes forth, this was just a big smoke screen. However, I doubt than any of the current crop of posters screaming from their soapboxes "CHEATERS" would ever come back and exclaim they were wrong. We'll just here more about cover ups, conspiracies and other theories of why the evidence ( that must exist, because we all KNOW they CHEATED ) was hidden, surpressed, destroyed, or otherwise kept from our "right to know"

 

[fatness]

Ok I'll agree with that. It will definitely be interesting to see what Walsh has to say. Who will get to him first? Specter or Goodell? Or a hitman?

According to PFT, Goodell will get to him first.

POSTED 11:49 a.m. EST, February 3, 2008COMMISH MEETING WITH WALSH SOON?On Super Bowl morning, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said on ESPN Radio that the league will "absolutely" investigate the "Spygate II" allegations, and that Goodell will "absolutely" meet with former Pats video employee Matt Walsh.

 

[twitch]

And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes.

Actually, that's just proof that people have been investigating these rumors for months and found nothing.If no one's found anything in the past five months, what makes anyone think that something will turn up in the next five days?

Because new information has just surfaced such as Walsh's comments and the alleged pre Superbowl tape of the Pats/Rams.

What's the NEW information? Let's have it. Tell me what the info is? Sources? Where? That's have 'em. This Walsh guy has said nothing of relevance whatsoever. Information comes in all shapes and sizes. I can sit here and tell everyone the world is friggin' flat and call it information. Ya get me?

 

[twitch]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand.

Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time.

Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.

This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

Time to pay the piper...

Will you gentlemen be kind enough to bump this thread if the facts end up not supporting your half-baked theories? Walsh should be brought forward and whatever "evidence" he has should be examined under the light of day. Until then, your opinions are exactly that.

Absolfrickenlutely..I think all we want (as Pat fans should want to) to know what really happened. What a great way for Patriot fans to finally be able to say Hell yeah, our Championship seasons WERE legit to shove it up your *** everyone. Now wouldn't that feel good? Like I posted in the other thread. If this happened to my team, I'd want to know the truth either way so when they were vindicated I could have my moment in the sun with the "I told ya so!" moment. I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing. The Patriots brought this on themselves with the taping in the first place and I think deep down even Pats fans wonder what the truth is as well.

One huge hole in your theory is the likely fact that there is no "exonerating" evidence, but rather a lack of any guilty evidence. What many here have shown through the course of this ordeal is that if you believe the Patriots to be guilty, you don't feel the need for proof of guilt. If this story just disintegrates after the Super Bowl is over, and no tapes or any other real evidence comes forth, this was just a big smoke screen. However, I doubt than any of the current crop of posters screaming from their soapboxes "CHEATERS" would ever come back and exclaim they were wrong. We'll just here more about cover ups, conspiracies and other theories of why the evidence ( that must exist, because we all KNOW they CHEATED ) was hidden, surpressed, destroyed, or otherwise kept from our "right to know"

Your damn skippy. Not a single one. Not a friggin' peep.

 

[scott72]

And its a shame that something that Chris Mortensen acknowledges he's known about for 5 months yet didnt bother to report becomes a story one day before the biggest game of many people's lifetimes.

Actually, that's just proof that people have been investigating these rumors for months and found nothing.If no one's found anything in the past five months, what makes anyone think that something will turn up in the next five days?

Because new information has just surfaced such as Walsh's comments and the alleged pre Superbowl tape of the Pats/Rams.

What's the NEW information? Let's have it. Tell me what the info is? Sources? Where? That's have 'em. This Walsh guy has said nothing of relevance whatsoever. Information comes in all shapes and sizes. I can sit here and tell everyone the world is friggin' flat and call it information. Ya get me?

lol, calm down Patriot guy...You'd think someone just attacked your Grandma or something. Walsh claims he has something so we should hear what he has to say no? I think your starting to sound a bit paranoid. Maybe your afraid of what he has to say? Just because I don't have sworn testimony about what he said or the Superbowl tapes in my hand doesn't mean it's not new info. Ya get me?

 

[428143]

If he has anything that could severely tarnish the league, he will be paid off...

It appears that is what he is looking for...move along...

 

[ooofffaaa]

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that if ex-Patriots employee Matt Walsh is in possession of the Rams' walkthrough video from Super Bowl XXXVI, coach Bill Belichick will be suspended for one season.

Apparently commissioner Roger Goodell informed Belichick, upon fining him $500,000 and stripping the Patriots of a first-round pick, that a second strike would cost him an entire year. That means Belichick's last game before 2009 could be Super Bowl XLII. Interestingly, the Giants held their walkthrough Saturday, as regularly scheduled. The Pats did not hold a walkthrough. Feb. 3 - 1:39 pm et

Source: Profootballtalk.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...178&id=1163

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

It seems like the NFL & many Pats fans think that this should all be swept under the rug. Most sports scandals start this way, eventually the truth will become more apparent. Let the ex-Pats video guy in Hawaii talk to Arlen Spector with the threat of eventual "legal perjury" in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee hanging in the background. Put BB's lifetime "buddy" who has been in charge of Pats' security and filiming for years take the stand.

Put Roger Goddell on the hot seat. Roger did a "good 'ol boy" investigation. Quick, half-### and flush any evidence down the toilet. Contrast Goddell's efforts in this regard to Bud Selig and George Mitchell in baseball and Roger comes up short big time.

Let Spector inteview Tom Brady and help determine if the Pats had any advantages. Let Spector talk to Mangini relative to whether the Pats had any advantages. Let him talk to Matt Walsh as to whether the Pats filmed the Rams "walk through" before the Super Bowl and learned their Red Zone plays -- ESPN showed a Red Zone sequence from that Super Bowl. Pats shutting down the Rams repeatedly and then finally the Rams call a play that they hadn't practiced at all at the walk through and they score a TD untouched.

This will all come out in time. I think that it is great that Spector is getting involved as Goddell did a half-baked job and has left the perception that there may have been a "cover up".

Time to pay the piper...

Will you gentlemen be kind enough to bump this thread if the facts end up not supporting your half-baked theories? Walsh should be brought forward and whatever "evidence" he has should be examined under the light of day. Until then, your opinions are exactly that.

Absolfrickenlutely..I think all we want (as Pat fans should want to) to know what really happened. What a great way for Patriot fans to finally be able to say Hell yeah, our Championship seasons WERE legit to shove it up your *** everyone. Now wouldn't that feel good? Like I posted in the other thread. If this happened to my team, I'd want to know the truth either way so when they were vindicated I could have my moment in the sun with the "I told ya so!" moment. I think it's silly for Pats fans to stick their heads deep into the sand and pretend this is all nothing. The Patriots brought this on themselves with the taping in the first place and I think deep down even Pats fans wonder what the truth is as well.

No, it's not anything "deep down" and it's not a matter of "wonder what the truth is". It's more to do with the prior bolded statements.

 

[tick dog]

All I can say today fellas, is bet the over. Bet OVER the over, and then far over that. Pats are going to unleash the proverbial hell.

 

[Statorama]

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that if ex-Patriots employee Matt Walsh is in possession of the Rams' walkthrough video from Super Bowl XXXVI, coach Bill Belichick will be suspended for one season.

Apparently commissioner Roger Goodell informed Belichick, upon fining him $500,000 and stripping the Patriots of a first-round pick, that a second strike would cost him an entire year. That means Belichick's last game before 2009 could be Super Bowl XLII. Interestingly, the Giants held their walkthrough Saturday, as regularly scheduled. The Pats did not hold a walkthrough. Feb. 3 - 1:39 pm et

Source: Profootballtalk.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...178&id=1163

Fair enough.The Belichick hush money payout total for Walsh just went into six figures.

 

[analog_hiss]

All I can say today fellas, is bet the over. Bet OVER the over, and then far over that. Pats are going to unleash the proverbial hell.

Steelers fan, Pats hater here. If this crap came out the day before my "big game" I would be spitting fire mad.Patriots are going to come out and want to smack the world in the mouth.I'd go for triple digits.

 

[scott72]

All I can say today fellas, is bet the over. Bet OVER the over, and then far over that. Pats are going to unleash the proverbial hell.

And you think the Giants are just going to lay down at let it happen? They have the pass rush to slow the Pats down. Be careful on the over fellas.

 

[bostonfred]

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that if ex-Patriots employee Matt Walsh is in possession of the Rams' walkthrough video from Super Bowl XXXVI, coach Bill Belichick will be suspended for one season.

Apparently commissioner Roger Goodell informed Belichick, upon fining him $500,000 and stripping the Patriots of a first-round pick, that a second strike would cost him an entire year. That means Belichick's last game before 2009 could be Super Bowl XLII. Interestingly, the Giants held their walkthrough Saturday, as regularly scheduled. The Pats did not hold a walkthrough. Feb. 3 - 1:39 pm et

Source: Profootballtalk.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...178&id=1163

Fair, but it's important to note that we don't know what, if anything, Walsh has. If he has something for which the Patriots were already punished, then it's not the Patriots' fault for failing to turn it over to Goodell (since it's basically stolen property) and there's nothing new to suspend them for.

 

[Road Warriors]

All I can say today fellas, is bet the over. Bet OVER the over, and then far over that. Pats are going to unleash the proverbial hell.

And you think the Giants are just going to lay down at let it happen? They have the pass rush to slow the Pats down. Be careful on the over fellas.

Slowed 'em right down to 38 the last time the met.

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

GB everything Goodell and the Patriots have coming their in the court of public opinion and the potential congressional hearings.

 

[redman]

Glad to see you're doing ok, BDK.

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

Glad to see you're doing ok, BDK.

Doing great! Seeing the Patriots lose was even better than watching my favorite team win the SuperBowl!

 

[redman]

Glad to see you're doing ok, BDK.

Doing great! Seeing the Patriots lose was even better than watching my favorite team win the SuperBowl!

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

Glad to see you're doing ok, BDK.

Doing great! Seeing the Patriots lose was even better than watching my favorite team win the SuperBowl!

Dallas already has 5. I am wholeheartedly happy that every Pat's fan is crushed right now.

 

[redman]

Glad to see you're doing ok, BDK.

Doing great! Seeing the Patriots lose was even better than watching my favorite team win the SuperBowl!

Dallas already has 5. I am wholeheartedly happy that every Pat's fan is crushed right now.

Uh huh.

 

[{Syrus}]

Specter isn't letting up. I'll be interested what progresses this week.

 

[baldbird]

Specter isn't letting up. I'll be interested what progresses this week.

I hope they find alot of dirt on the Pats . such a cocky coach and players . I want to see belecheat get susp for 2 or more years and the Pats lose cap $ and more picks ..

 

[redman]

Specter isn't letting up. I'll be interested what progresses this week.

I hope they find alot of dirt on the Pats . such a cocky coach and players . I want to see belecheat get susp for 2 or more years and the Pats lose cap $ and more picks ..

The folks that will be most interesting to watch will be Goodell and the NFL office. Specter, as much as he's attacking the Patriots, is implicitly attacking the Goodell's handling of this and virtually accusing the NFL of sweeping this issue under the rug (which BTW I believe it basically did). Goodell has to be squirming right now.

 

[bryan215]

Glad to see you're doing ok, BDK.

Doing great! Seeing the Patriots lose was even better than watching my favorite team win the SuperBowl!

Dallas already has 5. I am wholeheartedly happy that every Pat's fan is crushed right now.

You realize Jimmy Johnson has already admitted to cheating in a similar manner as head coach when he was a cowboy.Thus I guess u can invalidate all those rings from the 90s along with the Pats rings...plus probably the Parcells giants rings too...cuz u know BB was doing the same thing then too