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Gillette Commercial (1 Viewer)

It’s basically asking men to act like it. Respect women, reject bullying, no more boys will be boys attitude.

Apparently some take offense to being asked to stop being a ####.
Yup.  I think part of the problem comes when it's implied by the ad or inferred by the watcher that being "big, strong-limbed supermen" (like the old ads) and being the kind, respectful men of this new one are mutually exclusive ideals.

 
You serious, Clark?
Yes, do you really think there’s a tenth of the bullying that went on ten years ago happening today?   I’m not saying it’s extinct but I can’t fathom it’s close to a problem with forced interactions now policed by schools.  

If you wanted to target bullying, tell mothers to talk to daughter, I think girl on girl bullying is exponentially higher.  

 
The main complaint I have seen if that a similar commercial was made about the faults of women, it would never have been aired due to being too offensive.
I've wondered about this myself.  I'm not exactly sure how the commercial would go but I do think it wouldn't be as well received if somebody had a commercial about women and it had what people thought were typical negative female traits.  I think it's a valid question while acknowledging this is a good message.  Everybody should strive to be better.

 
I think it's a pretty big problem. Maybe not huge but every year we seem to have more suicides due to this. Whether it be physical or cyber. Maybe we just hear about it more now. Huge may be an overstatement but it's certainly something that exists and concerns me.
+1

Cyber is the big one now, IMO. There were bullies back when I was in school but once someone got home, they were safe from it. These days, kids torment other kids around the clock on social media. And (even though it makes them miserable) ya can’t seem to convince kids to put their device down.

 
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I feel bad for my 14 year old son.  Adolescent boys are being battered with so many conflicting messages in this bizarre social media world we live in and I feel completely inadequately-equipped to help him navigate this field of landmines.

 
Yes, do you really think there’s a tenth of the bullying that went on ten years ago happening today?   I’m not saying it’s extinct but I can’t fathom it’s close to a problem with forced interactions now policed by schools.  

If you wanted to target bullying, tell mothers to talk to daughter, I think girl on girl bullying is exponentially higher.  
I think there is more bullying, and the bullying is harder to deal with.

Dealing with bullies on social media is 1000% scarier to me than some kid trying to take my juice box.

 
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I can walk my kid through getting bullied at school.

I don't know how to walk him through if someone targets him on social media.

 
Yes, do you really think there’s a tenth of the bullying that went on ten years ago happening today?   I’m not saying it’s extinct but I can’t fathom it’s close to a problem with forced interactions now policed by schools.  

If you wanted to target bullying, tell mothers to talk to daughter, I think girl on girl bullying is exponentially higher. 
100% think there is more going on today than ever before because of the reason others pointed out - cyber.  It's just way too easy to be an i-tough guy or a social media bully with little repurcussions.  Do I think we have as many kids stealing other kids lunch money?  Nope, but I bet there's still plenty of in-person bullying going on too.

 
I feel bad for my 14 year old son.  Adolescent boys are being battered with so many conflicting messages in this bizarre social media world we live in and I feel completely inadequately-equipped to help him navigate this field of landmines.
Let me help you.  Chelsea sucks.

 
100% think there is more going on today than ever before because of the reason others pointed out - cyber.  It's just way too easy to be an i-tough guy or a social media bully with little repurcussions.  Do I think we have as many kids stealing other kids lunch money?  Nope, but I bet there's still plenty of in-person bullying going on too.
It's also 24 hour now. In the past bullying ended at school, now it continues or starts on smartphones and never stops. 

 
The ironic thing about bullying and social media is that it is teen females who are the majority aggressors, many times targeting other girls.

 
Mookie said:
The fact that we're talking about it here is proof that it's an effective marketing strategy.  
This is a lazy thought. Why can't we take people at face value anymore that they want to do good?

 
False. 

Online bullying is mostly equal among boys and girls. The difference is girls are more likely to spread false rumors and receive sexually explicit photos. Just a different type of bullying.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2018/09/27/a-majority-of-teens-have-experienced-some-form-of-cyberbullying/
I think the article you clipped said boy and girls equally experienced being bullied online.  Can you quote the part where it says that boys and girls are equally the perpetrators of said bullying?  I missed it on my first read through.

 
False. 

Online bullying is mostly equal among boys and girls. The difference is girls are more likely to spread false rumors and receive sexually explicit photos. Just a different type of bullying.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2018/09/27/a-majority-of-teens-have-experienced-some-form-of-cyberbullying/
A new study from researchers at McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada, found that when it comes to cyberbullying among teens, girls are not only more likely to be victims than boys are, but they are more at risk of developing emotional problems as a result of cyberbullying.

https://www.gaggle.net/speaks/why-cyberbullying-affects-girls-more-than-boys/

You can find a poll or article to support nearly anything. 

 
This is a lazy thought. Why can't we take people at face value anymore that they want to do good?
Unfortunately, that's not how corporations work.  I have no doubt they believe the message, but I also have no doubt that if they thought this would hurt sales they wouldn't have put it out there.  I'm not even saying this is a bad thing.  Taken to it's extreme, should a corporation put out an add they believe even if it puts them out of business?

 
The Nike Kap thing went over big in the Bay Area.  Huge support amongst my friends and co-workers.  This went over like a lead balloon.  I think it’s going to end up dinging their business.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I feel bad for my 14 year old son.  Adolescent boys are being battered with so many conflicting messages in this bizarre social media world we live in and I feel completely inadequately-equipped to help him navigate this field of landmines.
It’s not any easier with girls.  I feel for parents. It’s really hard to manage.  They are constantly bombarded with crap.

 
Hov34 said:
I don't really have one.  Except Gillette isn't doing this out of some sense of altruism or greater good of humankind, they are doing it for the publicity and money.  And #### like this stirs up more #### and divides us even more.  I'm tired of people/companies doing things just to stir up outrage on one side or the other and then in turn the other side gets outraged and no one's minds are really changed - in fact each side is even further entrenched.  Oh, and Gillette will receive a bump from all this publicity.  Rinse and repeat.
Why would this message stir up outrage?

 
This is a lazy thought. Why can't we take people at face value anymore that they want to do good?
I wasn't being cynical about the message - I liked the commercial and think reinforcing the idea that men should not be jerks is a good thing.  From a purely marketing-based perspective however, conversations such as these lead to clicks, views, and brand reinforcement.  It's naive to think that Gillette's motives are solely altruistic. 

 
I've misunderstood the term "boys will be boys" my entire life.  I use it in cases like, "well my son tried ramping his bike off the back porch now we're in the hospital getting stitches.  I guess boys will be boys."  

Thanks Gillette!  

 
Hov34 said:
I don't really have one.  Except Gillette isn't doing this out of some sense of altruism or greater good of humankind, they are doing it for the publicity and money.  And #### like this stirs up more #### and divides us even more.  I'm tired of people/companies doing things just to stir up outrage on one side or the other and then in turn the other side gets outraged and no one's minds are really changed - in fact each side is even further entrenched.  Oh, and Gillette will receive a bump from all this publicity.  Rinse and repeat.
Why would this message stir up outrage?
Because people are stupid?

Oh, and looking for something to be outraged about to make their pitiful lives meaningful?

I'm just spitballing here.  Help me out.  Why would this message stir up outrage, and how did Gillette know it would?

 
Because people are stupid?

Oh, and looking for something to be outraged about to make their pitiful lives meaningful?

I'm just spitballing here.  Help me out.  Why would this message stir up outrage, and how did Gillette know it would?


Do we know Gillette knew it would? I would guess they thought they were making a commercial that would a) help sell razors and b) spread a good message.

 
:shrug:

It assumes most men need this lesson.  A lot of people are taking it as Gillette unfairly wagging a finger at them.
People go to church and hear this lesson every week.* It seems weird to complain about being reminded to be a decent person. 

*At most churches, I reckon. Obviously not at a place like Liberty University or something. 

 
matuski said:
I can walk my kid through getting bullied at school.

I don't know how to walk him through if someone targets him on social media.
Non-parent here so take it for what it's worth but could you either:

1. Encourage him/her not to be on social media or at least limit it.

2. Be on social media but have a zero tolerance on "friends" who bully.  Can't he/she just unfriend the person making unkind comments?

 
so my thought is that gilette is losting market share to dollar shave club and others like that so it does this ad because 1 it will resonate with the non 35 percent of the population that will get snowflakey about it despite allegeldy hating snowflakes and it will appeal to women who studies still suggest do an awful lot of the shopping for their families which would necessarily include their own razors and probably those of their male counterparts so basically well played with a lot to gain and not a lot to lose take that to the bank brohans 

 
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:shrug:

It assumes most men need this lesson.  A lot of people are taking it as Gillette unfairly wagging a finger at them.
I don’t get upset when commercials state that 40% of Americans aren’t saving for retirement. There’s something else at play.

 
i also find it a little ironic that a lot of the people i heard calling in to 620 about this this morning are the same people that hate campaign finance reform because corporations should be allowed to speak in electsions by contributions etc but apparently they should now not be allowed to speak about social issues in ads so that strikes me as a little contridictory but hey thats just life in the big city take that to the bank bromigos 

 
People go to church and hear this lesson every week.* It seems weird to complain about being reminded to be a decent person. 

*At most churches, I reckon. Obviously not at a place like Liberty University or something. 
Exactly... friends, family, church, etc.  I think there are personal settings for a message like this.  

Gillette isn’t in a position to effectively deliver this kind of message and they shouldn’t have assumed they were.

 
Because people are stupid?

Oh, and looking for something to be outraged about to make their pitiful lives meaningful?

I'm just spitballing here.  Help me out.  Why would this message stir up outrage, and how did Gillette know it would?


Do we know Gillette knew it would? I would guess they thought they were making a commercial that would a) help sell razors and b) spread a good message.


That's the only thing I believe that Gillette is concerned with.  And yes, I believe (especially after the Nike/Kap stuff) that they knew it would outrage Right wing morons and galvanize the PC Left.  I consider myself neither of those and really don't like billion dollar companies playing with serious subjects like this to sell more ####.  God Bless America Capitalism.

 
And can they leave  BBQ enthusiasts out of their commercials? Just because we cook with fire doesn't make us all neanderthals!

 
Non-parent here so take it for what it's worth but could you either:

1. Encourage him/her not to be on social media or at least limit it.

2. Be on social media but have a zero tolerance on "friends" who bully.  Can't he/she just unfriend the person making unkind comments?
Appreciate the input, and you or I would see either or both of these as easy.  It just isn't.

These kids can't just "walk away" from this stuff online like we could.  It follows you.

 

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