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[fatness]

What happens if they get the same number of wins? Do you guys hold hands or something?

 

[jwvdcw]

keeping hope alive, but didn't gain much ground with Minny, NYG, and Dalllas all winning.

 

[jwvdcw]

What happens if they get the same number of wins? Do you guys hold hands or something?

I think head to head would be the first tiebreaker, and division record 2nd, and conference record 3rd....thats what the NFL uses, so it'd only be fair.

 

[jwvdcw]

Good news: The Skins are 1 game out of the 6th playoff spot at 7-6.

Bad news: There are 3 teams tied at 8-5.

Good news: One of those teams is the Cowboys, whom they play at home. If they win, they'll have the tiebreaker over that team.

More good news: The Skins will most likely have the tiebreaker over the other two teams(Min, Atl) as well due to conference record.

A look at the final 3 games for these 4 teams....

DALLAS

Sun 12/18 at Washington 4:15 pm

Sat 12/24 at Carolina 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 St. Louis 8:30 pm

WASHINGTON

Sun 12/18 Dallas 4:15 pm

Sat 12/24 NY Giants 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 at Philadelphia 4:15 pm

ATLANTA

Sun 12/18 at Chicago 8:30 pm

Sat 12/24 at Tampa Bay 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 Carolina 1:00 pm

MINNESOTA

Sun 12/18 Pittsburgh 1:00 pm

Sun 12/25 at Baltimore 8:30 pm

Sun 1/1 Chicago 1:00 pm

Ok, now lets me completly impartial and just use the Las Vegas point spread to determine who wins this week's games:

Vikings lose(3.5 pt underdogs)

Falcons lose(3 pt underdogs)

Redskins win(2.5 pt favorites)

Dallas loses(2.5 underdogs)

So if form holds true, all 4 teams will be at 8-6 after this week. Moreover, the Skins will have locked up the tiebreaker over Dallas, having beaten them twice. The Redskins will have locked up the tiebreaker over Atlanta due to Atlanta being 5-5 in confernce(with a loss) and the Skins being 8-2 in conference(with a win). The Vikings would be at 7-4 in conference, so they would still have a shot to tie the Redskins in conference record if the Skins lost their last two games, but if the Skins lost their last two games, then they won't be in the playoffs regardless, so practically speaking the Skins will have the tiebreaker over that.

So the bottom line is this: If the games go as Vegas has predicted, the Skins will be the #6 seed after 14 games.

But lets go one step further at look at Vegas' predictions of the week 16 games:

Redskins win(2pt favorite)

Vikings win(2.5pt favorite)

Falcons lose(3 pt underdog)

Cowboys lose(3.5pt underdog)

So ACCORDING TO VEGAS, this will be the team's records heading into the final week:

Washington: 9-6

Min: 9-6

Dal: 8-5

Atl: 8-5

Since Washington has the tiebreaker over both Dal and Atl they are eliminated. And Washington would also now have the tiebreaker over Minnesota officially due to their last week's in conference win. So the only way Washington would miss the playoffs now would be if they lost and Minnesota won.

The bad news is that I can't find a line for week 17 anywhere(I have used sportsbook.com for all of the lines in this thread so far and they have nothing out for week 17 yet).

However I can tell you that Minnesota play at home against Chicago and Washington plays on the road against Philly. Its hard to analyze both of these matchups, as I honestly can't say who will be favored and I don't want to even try to as I want it to be clear that I've been 100% impartial here by only relying upon the Vegas line. As a Skins fan, I'm really hoping that Philly has completely given up by then and are going to play all young kids to see what they have for the future.

 

[Chaka]

Good news: The Skins are 1 game out of the 6th playoff spot at 7-6.

Bad news: There are 3 teams tied at 8-5.

Good news: One of those teams is the Cowboys, whom they play at home. If they win, they'll have the tiebreaker over that team.

More good news: The Skins will most likely have the tiebreaker over the other two teams(Min, Atl) as well due to conference record.

A look at the final 3 games for these 4 teams....

DALLAS

Sun 12/18 at Washington 4:15 pm

Sat 12/24 at Carolina 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 St. Louis 8:30 pm

WASHINGTON

Sun 12/18 Dallas 4:15 pm

Sat 12/24 NY Giants 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 at Philadelphia 4:15 pm

ATLANTA

Sun 12/18 at Chicago 8:30 pm

Sat 12/24 at Tampa Bay 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 Carolina 1:00 pm

MINNESOTA

Sun 12/18 Pittsburgh 1:00 pm

Sun 12/25 at Baltimore 8:30 pm

Sun 1/1 Chicago 1:00 pm

Ok, now lets me completly impartial and just use the Las Vegas point spread to determine who wins this week's games:

Vikings lose(3.5 pt underdogs)

Falcons lose(3 pt underdogs)

Redskins win(2.5 pt favorites)

Dallas loses(2.5 underdogs)

So if form holds true, all 4 teams will be at 8-6 after this week. Moreover, the Skins will have locked up the tiebreaker over Dallas, having beaten them twice. The Redskins will have locked up the tiebreaker over Atlanta due to Atlanta being 5-5 in confernce(with a loss) and the Skins being 8-2 in conference(with a win). The Vikings would be at 7-4 in conference, so they would still have a shot to tie the Redskins in conference record if the Skins lost their last two games, but if the Skins lost their last two games, then they won't be in the playoffs regardless, so practically speaking the Skins will have the tiebreaker over that.

So the bottom line is this: If the games go as Vegas has predicted, the Skins will be the #6 seed after 14 games.

But lets go one step further at look at Vegas' predictions of the week 16 games:

Redskins win(2pt favorite)

Vikings win(2.5pt favorite)

Falcons lose(3 pt underdog)

Cowboys lose(3.5pt underdog)

So ACCORDING TO VEGAS, this will be the team's records heading into the final week:

Washington: 9-6

Min: 9-6

Dal: 8-5

Atl: 8-5

Since Washington has the tiebreaker over both Dal and Atl they are eliminated. And Washington would also now have the tiebreaker over Minnesota officially due to their last week's in conference win. So the only way Washington would miss the playoffs now would be if they lost and Minnesota won.

The bad news is that I can't find a line for week 17 anywhere(I have used sportsbook.com for all of the lines in this thread so far and they have nothing out for week 17 yet).

However I can tell you that Minnesota play at home against Chicago and Washington plays on the road against Philly. Its hard to analyze both of these matchups, as I honestly can't say who will be favored and I don't want to even try to as I want it to be clear that I've been 100% impartial here by only relying upon the Vegas line. As a Skins fan, I'm really hoping that Philly has completely given up by then and are going to play all young kids to see what they have for the future.

This would be an interesting, if hopeful, analysis if Vegas were in the business of picking winners and losers.

 

[malice]

If I were you, I'd be more concerned with lackluster efforts against teams they should have won easily against in recent weeks (STL, ARI) than upcoming games where they're projected to be closer contests.Brunell is putting up Garcia/Harrington-like numbers.

 

[valhallan]

This would be an interesting, if hopeful, analysis if Vegas were in the business of picking winners and losers.

It may not be their business, but their doing a good job of picking straight up winners. Overall, Vegas' favorites are 155-53 (74.5%) this year. Their worst record was week 5 at 8-6, all other weeks have seen at least 10 favorites win straight up. And since week 5, the favorites are 107-27 (79.9%).

 

[fatness]

The Redskins season comes doen to one game ---- this Sunday against Dallas. Should they win their season will come down to one game ---- the following Sunday against the Giants. Should they win, their season comes down to one game --- the finale against the Eagles.We Redskins fans are used to going through this, but much earlier in the year. It's a bit strange to have so much control over their playoff fate this late in the season. Fun, though. This team plays hard. Not always well, but hard.

 

[jwvdcw]

The Redskins season comes doen to one game ---- this Sunday against Dallas. Should they win their season will come down to one game ---- the following Sunday against the Giants. Should they win, their season comes down to one game --- the finale against the Eagles.

We Redskins fans are used to going through this, but much earlier in the year. It's a bit strange to have so much control over their playoff fate this late in the season. Fun, though. This team plays hard. Not always well, but hard.

amen. This is fun to just be in it.

 

[dgreen]

I actually think the Redskins best chance at the playoffs is to win their division. If we assume they must win the rest of their games to make the playoffs as a wild card, they will be 10-6 and will include a win over the Giants (giving NY 5 losses). That means if the Giants lose just one other game (KC or @OAK), then the Redskins will win the division by tiebreaker.That scenario requires less from other teams than their wild card scenario.Either way, this Sunday is going to be exciting. And, a win this Sunday and a NY loss this Saturday will make next Saturday just as much fun and a battle for the division.

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

I actually think the Redskins best chance at the playoffs is to win their division. If we assume they must win the rest of their games to make the playoffs as a wild card, they will be 10-6 and will include a win over the Giants (giving NY 5 losses). That means if the Giants lose just one other game (KC or @OAK), then the Redskins will win the division by tiebreaker.

That scenario requires less from other teams than their wild card scenario.

Either way, this Sunday is going to be exciting. And, a win this Sunday and a NY loss this Saturday will make next Saturday just as much fun and a battle for the division.

It moved.

 

[jwvdcw]

I actually think the Redskins best chance at the playoffs is to win their division. If we assume they must win the rest of their games to make the playoffs as a wild card, they will be 10-6 and will include a win over the Giants (giving NY 5 losses). That means if the Giants lose just one other game (KC or @OAK), then the Redskins will win the division by tiebreaker.

That scenario requires less from other teams than their wild card scenario.

Either way, this Sunday is going to be exciting. And, a win this Sunday and a NY loss this Saturday will make next Saturday just as much fun and a battle for the division.

good points. However, I really hope NYG loses on Saturday because I can't see them losing to the Tuisassasopo(sp?)-led Raiders.

 

[dgreen]

I actually think the Redskins best chance at the playoffs is to win their division. If we assume they must win the rest of their games to make the playoffs as a wild card, they will be 10-6 and will include a win over the Giants (giving NY 5 losses). That means if the Giants lose just one other game (KC or @OAK), then the Redskins will win the division by tiebreaker.

That scenario requires less from other teams than their wild card scenario.

Either way, this Sunday is going to be exciting. And, a win this Sunday and a NY loss this Saturday will make next Saturday just as much fun and a battle for the division.

good points. However, I really hope NYG loses on Saturday because I can't see them losing to the Tuisassasopo(sp?)-led Raiders.

I agree, it will need to be against KC. Can you imagine what Sunday's game will be like if the Giants lose Saturday? At kickoff, we will know that a win against Dallas means playing for the division title the following week. Of course, Dallas will be in a similar situation. And, of course, Washington would still need to beat Philly.But, I can't say I'm very confident about this weekend.

 

[valhallan]

The division is very attainable, yes. But the Redskins' conference record is invaluable at this point. I remember last year when the Saints, Rams, and Vikes all finished 8-8 but the Saints, even though they had beaten the Rams, were the odd man out due to conference record.

 

[jwvdcw]

But, I can't say I'm very confident about this weekend.

I can't say I'm confident about any of our remaining games. Seriously, 0-3 is very possible. I have faith, though. Damn, I'm excited. I hope the Giants playing on Saturday means that we'll get the game here in NY.

 

[kellumsboys]

redskins suck anyway cowboys will deliver the

 

[Chaka]

618 posts in this thread? I used to think people complaining that the Shark Pool was in decline were crazy, now I am not so sure.Not to say the Redskins playoff hopes do not deserve some discussion but for a team that is a mortal lock to, even if they get lucky enough to make the playoffs, lose in the first round to get 618 posts? Wow.As always nice work jw...

 

[jwvdcw]

618 posts in this thread? I used to think people complaining that the Shark Pool was in decline were crazy, now I am not so sure.

Not to say the Redskins playoff hopes do not deserve some discussion but for a team that is a mortal lock to, even if they get lucky enough to make the playoffs, lose in the first round to get 618 posts? Wow.

As always nice work jw...

Thanks.Of course, I'd disagree with them being a mortal lock to lose in the first round, as they've already beaten Chicago and Seattle, and lost by one point on the road vs TB, and if they make the playoffs that probably meant that they beat NYG in week 16, so they've shown they can play with anyone in the NFC.

 

[MeVsMaradona]

Other then the Gmen?

 

[jwvdcw]

Other then the Gmen?

I mentioned them in my post. If the Skins want to make the playoffs, they'll almost definitely have to beat the Giants in week 16, so if they are in the playoffs, then they would've shown that they can compete with the Giants.

 

[fatness]

redskins suck anyway



cowboys will deliver the

You may want to remind the Cowboys to deliver the for 60 minutes this time, instead of for 55 minutes.

 

[jwvdcw]

redskins suck anyway   



cowboys will deliver the 

You may want to remind the Cowboys to deliver the for 60 minutes this time, instead of for 55 minutes.

 

[jwvdcw]

Win or lose today, I'm happy with the season. I havn't been this excited for a game in a long, long time, and thats reason enough for this Redskins fan to be grateful.....a win sure would be nice though.

 

[lawrence phillips]

are arrington or carlos rogers playing?

 

[jwvdcw]

are arrington or carlos rogers playing?

Not a whole lot of definite info yet.THIS THREAD is one at a Washington Redskin's mesage board that seems to be getting updated often, so any breaking info would probably be posted there first.

 

[lawrence phillips]

are arrington or carlos rogers playing?

Not a whole lot of definite info yet.THIS THREAD is one at a Washington Redskin's mesage board that seems to be getting updated often, so any breaking info would probably be posted there first.

Thanks dude I am checking on their CPND message board too...still nothin..

 

[lawrence phillips]

are arrington or carlos rogers playing?

Not a whole lot of definite info yet.THIS THREAD is one at a Washington Redskin's mesage board that seems to be getting updated often, so any breaking info would probably be posted there first.

Thanks dude I am checking on their CPND message board too...still nothin..

Arrington and Rogers both OUT today per sportstalk 980

 

[fatness]

For those not near a TV, this should be the Redskins local broadcast of the game: WFMD

 

[jwvdcw]

Minnesota losing 16-3...good news for Skins fans!

 

[buster c]

let's get it on

 

[jwvdcw]

7-0 Skins at the end of the 1st.

 

[jwvdcw]

14-0

 

[gman8343]

Beat them Cowboys! :giantfan:

 

[jwvdcw]

21-0

 

[jwvdcw]

28-0

 

[jwvdcw]

LOL at the Cowboys fans in the game thread still not giving the Skins any credit.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Dear Chris Cooleylease don't use up all your mojo and save a couple TDs for next week. Your buddy, --ACP

 

[jwvdcw]

35-0

 

[NYG Endzone]

35-0

Was that the WSH/NYG score a few weeks ago?

 

[jwvdcw]

funny thing is..they could still win the division. They are two games out, but the Giants and Cowboys play next week and the Skins play each of them at home. If the Skins win those games, they'd most likely have the tiebreakers(they'd definitely have it over Dallas and probably over NYG).

I told you they were a .500 team when you started this dumbazz thread. Listen up next time, Sparky.

Thanks, sparky.

 

[jwvdcw]

35-0

Was that the WSH/NYG score a few weeks ago?

excited for next week?

 

[jwvdcw]

The Redskins are the worst 2-0 team in NFL history.  They barely eecked out a win against the lowly Bears who offense compares to a small college offense.  Then after a major collapse from Dallas they pull out a win.  I admit I am a bitter Cowboys fan that is hurting still 2 weeks later after that loss but it is comical to think that your team is playoff bound. I am putting this out there as a sig bet.  Dallas will win more games than the Redskins

whats up do you accept jwvdcw?

For your sig

"Dallas Cowboys are Americas team and the greatest team in the history of the NFL" 

You have to wear that sig until next season

Again, I'll ask, how did thie Cowboys give it away? The Skins took it! And don't forget that lowly bears offense scored nearly 40 points the next week.Yeah, I'm up for that sig bet...since this is an entire season long one, how long should we keep it up for? The entire offseason?

I accept this sig bet. The loser will have to keep the sig up all offseason. I will keep an eye for your sig if the Redskins somehow pull off a miracle and emerge with a better record than the boys.

jwvdcw just wanted to remind about our sig bet. After week 12 the Skins are 2 games back of the Cowboys.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

funny thing is..they could still win the division. They are two games out, but the Giants and Cowboys play next week and the Skins play each of them at home. If the Skins win those games, they'd most likely have the tiebreakers(they'd definitely have it over Dallas and probably over NYG).

I told you they were a .500 team when you started this dumbazz thread. Listen up next time, Sparky.

Stop trying to circumvent the language filter.

 

[fatness]

35-0

Was that the WSH/NYG score a few weeks ago?

excited for next week?

I am. I've never been to a Redskin game, that will be my first one. My son somehow got tickets behind the Redskin bench around midfield.

 

[jwvdcw]

35-0

Was that the WSH/NYG score a few weeks ago?

excited for next week?

I am. I've never been to a Redskin game, that will be my first one. My son somehow got tickets behind the Redskin bench around midfield.

thats awesome man...enjoy yourself

 

[jwvdcw]

funny thing is..they could still win the division. They are two games out, but the Giants and Cowboys play next week and the Skins play each of them at home. If the Skins win those games, they'd most likely have the tiebreakers(they'd definitely have it over Dallas and probably over NYG).

I told you they were a .500 team when you started this dumbazz thread. Listen up next time, Sparky.

Thanks, sparky.

And btw, I showed up in this thread after every single loss....wonder if you'll show your face in here this week.

 

[buster c]

bye-bye cowgirlsdon't let the broom getcha on the way out the door

 

[hooptd]

As a life long Skins fan, here's hoping they can come with the same intensity next week against the Giants. I hope against hope that they can win and get into the playoffs but I know all to well the way they can get me up high only to crash me to ground time and time again. Anyone think this upcoming week is any differant than all the others?

 

[jwvdcw]

Good news: The Skins are 1 game out of the 6th playoff spot at 7-6.

Bad news: There are 3 teams tied at 8-5.

Good news: One of those teams is the Cowboys, whom they play at home. If they win, they'll have the tiebreaker over that team.

More good news: The Skins will most likely have the tiebreaker over the other two teams(Min, Atl) as well due to conference record.

A look at the final 3 games for these 4 teams....

DALLAS

Sun 12/18 at Washington 4:15 pm

Sat 12/24 at Carolina 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 St. Louis 8:30 pm

WASHINGTON

Sun 12/18 Dallas 4:15 pm

Sat 12/24 NY Giants 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 at Philadelphia 4:15 pm

ATLANTA

Sun 12/18 at Chicago 8:30 pm

Sat 12/24 at Tampa Bay 1:00 pm

Sun 1/1 Carolina 1:00 pm

MINNESOTA

Sun 12/18 Pittsburgh 1:00 pm

Sun 12/25 at Baltimore 8:30 pm

Sun 1/1 Chicago 1:00 pm

Ok, now lets me completly impartial and just use the Las Vegas point spread to determine who wins this week's games:

Vikings lose(3.5 pt underdogs)

Falcons lose(3 pt underdogs)

Redskins win(2.5 pt favorites)

Dallas loses(2.5 underdogs)

So if form holds true, all 4 teams will be at 8-6 after this week. Moreover, the Skins will have locked up the tiebreaker over Dallas, having beaten them twice. The Redskins will have locked up the tiebreaker over Atlanta due to Atlanta being 5-5 in confernce(with a loss) and the Skins being 8-2 in conference(with a win). The Vikings would be at 7-4 in conference, so they would still have a shot to tie the Redskins in conference record if the Skins lost their last two games, but if the Skins lost their last two games, then they won't be in the playoffs regardless, so practically speaking the Skins will have the tiebreaker over that.

So the bottom line is this: If the games go as Vegas has predicted, the Skins will be the #6 seed after 14 games.

But lets go one step further at look at Vegas' predictions of the week 16 games:

Redskins win(2pt favorite)

Vikings win(2.5pt favorite)

Falcons lose(3 pt underdog)

Cowboys lose(3.5pt underdog)

So ACCORDING TO VEGAS, this will be the team's records heading into the final week:

Washington: 9-6

Min: 9-6

Dal: 8-5

Atl: 8-5

Since Washington has the tiebreaker over both Dal and Atl they are eliminated. And Washington would also now have the tiebreaker over Minnesota officially due to their last week's in conference win. So the only way Washington would miss the playoffs now would be if they lost and Minnesota won.

The bad news is that I can't find a line for week 17 anywhere(I have used sportsbook.com for all of the lines in this thread so far and they have nothing out for week 17 yet).

However I can tell you that Minnesota play at home against Chicago and Washington plays on the road against Philly. Its hard to analyze both of these matchups, as I honestly can't say who will be favored and I don't want to even try to as I want it to be clear that I've been 100% impartial here by only relying upon the Vegas line. As a Skins fan, I'm really hoping that Philly has completely given up by then and are going to play all young kids to see what they have for the future.

Redskins win....checkMinny loses....check

Atl loses....check

Skins currently in playoffs!!!

 

[jwvdcw]

And here is your updated Redskins playoff report brought to you by jwvdcw:First lets look at the division:NFC EastNYG 10-4Wash 8-6 Dal 8-6Washington plays at home against NYG next week then they play at Philly. The Giants play at Oakland in week 17. If Washington wins out and NYG loses at Oakland in week 17, then Washington would win the division by virtue of a better division record.This would most likely put the Skins at the #4 seed, but they could move as high as #2 and get a first round bye, as they have the tiebreaker over Chicago(head to head) and would have the tiebreaker over Carolina(better conference record if they win out). However, they would need these teams to go 0-2 to move ahead of either of them.Chicago plays at Green Bay and at Minnesota.Carolina plays vs Dallas and at Atlanta.Now onto the wild card....Wash 8-6Dal 8-6Atl 8-6Min 8-6The Redskins have locked up tiebreakers over all 3 teams- this is vital! So the only way they miss the playoffs is if one of the teams ends up a game better than them. The remaining schedules:Washington: vs NYG, at PhillyDallas: at Carolina, vs StLAtl: at TB, vs CarMin: at Balt, vs ChiWith neither of those 3 other teams favored in both of their remaining games, Skins fans have to feel pretty confident here.Now, they could still take the #5 seed also, but they'd need TB to lose out and they'd have to win out, as TB holds the tiebreaker over them(head to head) and they have a one game lead. Their schedule:TB: vs Atl, vs NOSo, its very unlikely that they'll end up as the #5 seed.All in all, I'd estimate the percentages like this:Miss the playoffs: 29%6 seed: 59%4 seed: 7%#3 seed: 3%#2 seed: 1%#5 seed: 1%