I think Lebron is Better than Jordan (1 Viewer)

[Finless]

Doing a lot more wit much less as far as his team in concerned. Jordan was surrounded by crazy talent. No college to prime in for Lebron. I keep hearing the Kobe comparison. He's better right now than Jordan was. Jordan's best evening on the court is better than Lebron's perhaps, but overall Lebron is better. ####, Wade is about where Jordan was at.

And yes, I grew up watching Jordan. I'm not some new-school punk.

 

[duaneok66]

Doing a lot more wit much less as far as his team in concerned. Jordan was surrounded by crazy talent. No college to prime in for Lebron. I keep hearing the Kobe comparison. He's better right now than Jordan was. Jordan's best evening on the court is better than Lebron's perhaps, but overall Lebron is better. ####, Wade is about where Jordan was at.And yes, I grew up watching Jordan. I'm not some new-school punk.

come on Finless, I know the UNC game is boring, but you''re better than this . . .

 

[joffer]

Bird was better than both

 

[Finless]

Doing a lot more wit much less as far as his team in concerned. Jordan was surrounded by crazy talent. No college to prime in for Lebron. I keep hearing the Kobe comparison. He's better right now than Jordan was. Jordan's best evening on the court is better than Lebron's perhaps, but overall Lebron is better. ####, Wade is about where Jordan was at.And yes, I grew up watching Jordan. I'm not some new-school punk.

come on Finless, I know the UNC game is boring, but you''re better than this . . .

Deadly serious. I'm not much of a stat guy but I'm willing to toss some numbers around. Maybe this has already been discussed ad nauseam but the combination of a Lebron commercial and watching UNC got me thinking. He's better...I'm sure a few would agree. They just need to let go. I know it's hard but sometimes we have to move forward. There's always someone in every sport considered the best ever, then someone comes along and takes the crown. It has to happen.

 

[JMon348]

We will see how Lebron does these playoffs. His team will have home court in every series, where they have only lost once all year. That would make them the favorite to be the champs.

These playoffs will be very telling.

 

[Wrigley]

Um no.

 

[Popinski]

He's closer than many probably believe, but no, he is not yet as good as MJ, let alone better.

 

[Das Boot]

Could a circa 2009 Lebron James find work in the mid 80's NBA?

 

[Super King]

So... King James has 6 championships? Good for him.

 

[Gadabout]

I'd rather have a 24-year-old Shaq.

 

[17seconds]

I agree that Lebron is better than Jordan right now

 

[gump]

Better regular season player...maybe.

 

[Cunk]

Bird was better than both

I agree! I thought I was the only human on Earth who thought this.

 

[Wrigley]

I agree that Lebron is better than Jordan right now

Yeah, but Mike's 46

 

[Gadfly]

I agree that Lebron is better than Jordan right now

I also agree with this premise that a 24-year-old Lebron is better than a 46-year-old Jordan.

 

[Harry Manback]

I actually don't think that Finless is fishing here.

 

[Finless]

Here come the Chicago homers and people who haven't watched basketball in 18 years. Watch the man play. Cleveland is dominating. I know the bulls dominated but those teams were flush with talent. It was ridiculous. Keep ignoring that fact.

 

[Boston]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

 

[Gadfly]

Here come the Chicago homers and people who haven't watched basketball in 18 years. Watch the man play. Cleveland is dominating. I know the bulls dominated but those teams were flush with talent. It was ridiculous. Keep ignoring that fact.

Cavs might be dominating now, but they still the Lakers' son.

 

[Follows Closely]

Um no.

, not yet anyhow.

 

[Death Bytes]

Jeez, another one of these threads?

When the individualism started dominating the NBA, it became unwatchable. If Lebron never wins a championship, I really don't f'n care if he was better than Jordan. Why does it even matter if he is/was better? Answer: Individualism.

 

[Finless]

I actually don't think that Finless is fishing here.

I'm not and anyone who thinks it's not close isn't watching. Sure there's situation where Jordan was better. I think he was extremely clutch but I think most people are hung up on the tongue hanging out of the mouth dunk he used to do. When he started doing what he was doing it was pretty fresh. Now kids in Junior high are doing behind the back dunks. Times have changed. The tongue, yeah it was cool, in 1987.

 

[Finless]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

My bad, he was playing with scrubs.

 

[Boston]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

My bad, he was playing with scrubs.

They weren't scrubs but I don't know many that would call the likes of BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue and Horace Grant "crazy talent." Rodman had his special talents but he was also a freak show.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

Luc Longley

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I'm thinking domer should be getting some fat royalty checks.

 

[Finless]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

My bad, he was playing with scrubs.

They weren't scrubs but I don't know many that would call the likes of BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue and Horace Grant "crazy talent." Rodman had his special talents but he was also a freak show.

Pippen is considered one of the top 100 players ever and top 50 by many. A defensive beast. One of the greatest wingmen in the history of the world. Rodman was pulling down like 17 boards every night. And Before him Horace was averaging a double double.

 

[azgroover]

Jeez, another one of these threads?When the individualism started dominating the NBA, it became unwatchable. If Lebron never wins a championship, I really don't f'n care if he was better than Jordan. Why does it even matter if he is/was better? Answer: Individualism.

People started with this "it's not a team game anymore" argument about ten minutes after Naismith hung the first peach basket.

 

[Adebisi]

I'm not a regular fan of the NBA anymore, but from what I've seen of LeBron, Jordan wasn't allowed to travel even a quarter as much as he does.

I'll also say that Jordan was at least ten times more likable.

 

[Boston]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

My bad, he was playing with scrubs.

They weren't scrubs but I don't know many that would call the likes of BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue and Horace Grant "crazy talent." Rodman had his special talents but he was also a freak show.

Pippen is considered one of the top 100 players ever and top 50 by many. A defensive beast. One of the greatest wingmen in the history of the world. Rodman was pulling down like 17 boards every night. And Before him Horace was averaging a double double.

Pippen was a big time player...I stated that earlier. Grant was a solid player but by no means a stud (and not there for the whole run). Rodman was Rodman...a one-dimensional player who could help his team in certain areas who was a massive distraction and Jordan was pretty much the only player that could have controlled him at that point in his career. Overall this team was Jordan dominating, Pippen playing Robin to his Batman and a bunch of interchangeable parts. The fact that this team won six titles is due to #23 and while LeBron is an absolute beast he has a ways to go before he's in MJ's shoes.

 

[Tau837]

Just to clarify, Lebron right now is better than Jordan when?

Now, with Jordan being 46 years old? I'd agree with that.

At the same age? I'd agree with that.

After each had 6 seasons in the league? I disagree.

Better than Jordan ever was? Absolutely not.

Also, when you say "better," I assume you're saying he is a better player in terms of skills/talent/ability. What really matters is what a player accomplishes, and Lebron will be hard pressed to match Jordan in all three areas that matter: championships, honors, and statistics.

As for the notion that Jordan's teams were "flush with talent":

 

[Finless]

I'm the #1 Fan of Celtic Basketball and I find Lebron likable Well except for when he was splainin the crab dribble. Jordan got about 10 phantom calls a night.

 

[Finless]

60 Minutes - The question may come up.

 

[Death Bytes]

Jeez, another one of these threads?

When the individualism started dominating the NBA, it became unwatchable. If Lebron never wins a championship, I really don't f'n care if he was better than Jordan. Why does it even matter if he is/was better? Answer: Individualism.

People started with this "it's not a team game anymore" argument about ten minutes after Naismith hung the first peach basket.

It started in 1976

 

[Adebisi]

I'm the #1 Fan of Celtic Basketball and I find Lebron likable Well except for when he was splainin the crab dribble. Jordan got about 10 phantom calls a night.

I think Lebron is a dooooosh. I think he is extremely full of himself, although I also admit that this is only partially his fault, since he's probably had everyone around him telling him how great he's been since at least 12 or 13 years old.

 

[Carver]

Not yet.

But someday he will be. He needs to perfect his mid range jumper and tighten up on the defensive side of the ball first.

 

[bostonfred]

I think Kobe is better than Pippen right now.

 

[Carver]

Jeez, another one of these threads?When the individualism started dominating the NBA, it became unwatchable. If Lebron never wins a championship, I really don't f'n care if he was better than Jordan. Why does it even matter if he is/was better? Answer: Individualism.

Sounds like you havent watched the NBA in a really long time. The decade has produced some fine championship squads who played team ball.

 

[Carver]

I'm the #1 Fan of Celtic Basketball and I find Lebron likable Well except for when he was splainin the crab dribble. Jordan got about 10 phantom calls a night.

I think Lebron is a dooooosh. I think he is extremely full of himself, although I also admit that this is only partially his fault, since he's probably had everyone around him telling him how great he's been since at least 12 or 13 years old.

Really? I think the exact opposite. Lebron comes across as an extremely likable kid to me. MUCH more personable than MJ ever was.

 

[Das Boot]

I'm the #1 Fan of Celtic Basketball and I find Lebron likable Well except for when he was splainin the crab dribble. Jordan got about 10 phantom calls a night.

I think Lebron is a dooooosh. I think he is extremely full of himself, although I also admit that this is only partially his fault, since he's probably had everyone around him telling him how great he's been since at least 12 or 13 years old.

Really? I think the exact opposite. Lebron comes across as an extremely likable kid to me. MUCH more personable than MJ ever was.

I agree.

 

[jojoh07]

LOL good joke . Jordan and its not even close yet.

 

[Zigg]

LeBron is the same size as Karl Malone and has point guard skills. He's probably not better than Jordan now, but it's close enough, and by the time he's 28, there will be no more argument. What he is doing with a mediocre supporting cast is incredible.

 

[duaneok66]

Outside of Scottie Pippen what was the "crazy talent" MJ was surrounded by?

My bad, he was playing with scrubs.

They weren't scrubs but I don't know many that would call the likes of BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue and Horace Grant "crazy talent." Rodman had his special talents but he was also a freak show.

they won the first three without Rodman - as a matter of fact, they had two completely different teams that won three titles each - Jordan and Pippen were the only constants . . .

 

[Dentist]

LeBron is the same size as Karl Malone and has point guard skills. He's probably not better than Jordan now, but it's close enough, and by the time he's 28, there will be no more argument. What he is doing with a mediocre supporting cast is incredible.

i agree that LeBron is better than Jordan relative to age, but not relative to "years in the league"LeBron most likely won't win 6 championships like Jordan did though, nor will he have the scoring championship streak like Jordan had.. so many will say he will never measure up.MJ was so intently wired for success on the court and was generally a huge jerk to his teammates... all the stuff you see in the commercials and crap is a facade.. he was a stone cold #######.LeBron isn't wired like that... he's successful due to immense talent... and he's going to get some titles, but he's not going to have the drive or determination for 6 titles, he might not get the 5 mvp's, and won't get as many scoring titles... and that to me is ok.What I see on the court though is pure dominance from a likable guy.. and i see talent that is above what MJ had.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Hated Jordan my whole life (but respected him).

I don't see where Lebron is nearly as complete of a player as Jordan. Not that he got enough credit for it but there were many years Jordan might have also been the best defensive player in the league.

I use to tell my friends that Jordan got more credit for being good because his play was so aesthetically pleasing, but lets be real, he is the best to ever lace them up....still.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Just to clarify, Lebron right now is better than Jordan when?Now, with Jordan being 46 years old? I'd agree with that.At the same age? I'd agree with that.After each had 6 seasons in the league? I disagree.Better than Jordan ever was? Absolutely not.Also, when you say "better," I assume you're saying he is a better player in terms of skills/talent/ability. What really matters is what a player accomplishes, and Lebron will be hard pressed to match Jordan in all three areas that matter: championships, honors, and statistics.As for the notion that Jordan's teams were "flush with talent":

What I don't get in all this hype of Lebron in the class of Jordan and/or Kobe Lebron does NOT belong in the same breath as Kobe or Jordan until he develops a mid-range shot. James is a beast and will probably shatter a lot of scoring records BUT he doesn't have a consistent mid-range shot YET. He's one of the best finishers right now. His dunks are thundering, but once his legs start going on him, on the other side of 33, he'll need that mid-ranger then. Until then just shut up.

 

[duaneok66]

LeBron is the same size as Karl Malone and has point guard skills. He's probably not better than Jordan now, but it's close enough, and by the time he's 28, there will be no more argument. What he is doing with a mediocre supporting cast is incredible.

i agree that LeBron is better than Jordan relative to age, but not relative to "years in the league"LeBron most likely won't win 6 championships like Jordan did though, nor will he have the scoring championship streak like Jordan had.. so many will say he will never measure up.MJ was so intently wired for success on the court and was generally a huge jerk to his teammates... all the stuff you see in the commercials and crap is a facade.. he was a stone cold #######.LeBron isn't wired like that... he's successful due to immense talent... and he's going to get some titles, but he's not going to have the drive or determination for 6 titles, he might not get the 5 mvp's, and won't get as many scoring titles... and that to me is ok.What I see on the court though is pure dominance from a likable guy.. and i see talent that is above what MJ had.

it's been stated before , but Jordan's will to win is what sets him apart - his only peer in this area (from what I've heard and read) is Bill Russell . . .

 

[Dentist]

I'd rather have a 24-year-old Shaq.

Yes, definitely. You can't teach that type of size/skill.Shaq was similar to LeBron in that I don't think he ever really had that killer instinct... he rarely was in optimum shape, never hammered his free throw game out, and didn't seem as cold blooded.For someone who wasn't as driven, 6 nba finals appearances is pretty damn impressive.If Shaq had REALLY wanted to win and gotten this free throw % up to 75-80 I think he'd have more like 5-6 rings.. maybe more. I think if Shaq had done that it's easily possible LA could've done a 5-peat before Shaq lost it.

 

[duaneok66]

Just to clarify, Lebron right now is better than Jordan when?Now, with Jordan being 46 years old? I'd agree with that.At the same age? I'd agree with that.After each had 6 seasons in the league? I disagree.Better than Jordan ever was? Absolutely not.Also, when you say "better," I assume you're saying he is a better player in terms of skills/talent/ability. What really matters is what a player accomplishes, and Lebron will be hard pressed to match Jordan in all three areas that matter: championships, honors, and statistics.As for the notion that Jordan's teams were "flush with talent":

What I don't get in all this hype of Lebron in the class of Jordan and/or Kobe Lebron does NOT belong in the same breath as Kobe or Jordan until he develops a mid-range shot. James is a beast and will probably shatter a lot of scoring records BUT he doesn't have a consistent mid-range shot YET. He's one of the best finishers right now. His dunks are thundering, but once his legs start going on him, on the other side of 33, he'll need that mid-ranger then. Until then just shut up.

there is no place for common sense here . . .

 

[Balance]

I'd rather have a 24-year-old Shaq.

Or Duncan.