In A Pick Your Coach Draft, Where Does Nick Sirianni Rank Among Active NFL Head Coaches? (1 Viewer)

[Ruffrodys05]

Voted 5-8.

Haters gonna hate.

I have quite a few "friends" out my way, and an ex-wife, who are diehard Cowboys fans. None of them have ever, ever, said a nice word about my beloved Eagles. I realized a long time ago that it would never change. Didn't get a single congratulatory nod after we won the Super Bowl in '17. All I got were questions about how many we won compared to their Boys. Got this same response from Patriots fans also, even though they just lost the SB.

Oh well. I accept it as a prerogatory nuisance of being an Eagles fan.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

Actually, sage advice.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

One more item of note. Our fan base is absolutely loaded with fickle haters too. They just never seem happy enough to count their blessings and enjoy the show. Nope, there is always something to get their panties in a bunch. It is why i stopped listening to sports talk radio back in the late nineties.

 

[Terpman22]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

NARRATOR VOICE

The point was *not* accurate

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

Now that they have ripped off 7 straight games, there is NO WAY Nick Sirianni is a good coach

Get out your pick axe and start mining for *any* reason the Eagles are not actually good.

Its very amusing to me.

 

[Terpman22]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

Tougher games? Like the Panthers, giants, commanders (who you discounted earlier), and cowboys (who you discounted earlier)?

Geez...this schedule may be easier than the easiest schedule of all time two years ago. Heck, the Cheese Cake Factory should be th Eagles official sponsor.

 

[Terpman22]

Nick Sirianni, not a good coach because he made good hires and has good players.

Also, Jalen Hurts, not a good QB b/c he has AJ Brown and Devonta Smith
Devonta Smith also, easily replaceable.

Its almost like we do this every year.

The hate is giving me STRENGTH!!!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

17-20 for me. Team is loaded with talent and is way too inconsistent. To me it seems he doesn't make the adjustments that good coaches do.

The winningest active coach isn’t consistent?

The coach of the team on a 7 game win streak hasn’t made adjustments?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

NARRATOR VOICE

The point was *not* accurate

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

Now that they have ripped off 7 straight games, there is NO WAY Nick Sirianni is a good coach

Get out your pick axe and start mining for *any* reason the Eagles are not actually good.

Its very amusing to me.

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

NARRATOR VOICE

The point was *not* accurate

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

Now that they have ripped off 7 straight games, there is NO WAY Nick Sirianni is a good coach

Get out your pick axe and start mining for *any* reason the Eagles are not actually good.

Its very amusing to me.

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

Dare I say, a sign of the times?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

17-20 for me. Team is loaded with talent and is way too inconsistent. To me it seems he doesn't make the adjustments that good coaches do.

Hater.

Kidding.

Also, 17-20 is where most people voted. Lots of those came in early when he was on the hot seat again but others have voted more recently.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

That's an interesting topic and maybe one for a new thread.

I see maybe the other side of the coin in I see people looking deeper. For instance, someone might say of a team that's 2-2, "They're not just 2-2 in the last month, they're 2-2 against a really tough schedule and lost both those games by a field goal".

That's not refusing to give credit (or blame) in my opinion. That's looking deeper at the actual issue.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Its very amusing to me.

No it isn’t. It bothers you enough that you defend the team no matter what against everyone

 

[Joe Bryant]

One more item of note. Our fan base is absolutely loaded with fickle haters too. They just never seem happy enough to count their blessings and enjoy the show. Nope, there is always something to get their panties in a bunch. It is why i stopped listening to sports talk radio back in the late nineties.

In my opinion, that's the case with most passionate fan bases. I have a close friend who's a huge Bears fan. And the most critical person of the Bears you could want. Granted, he's got plenty of material, but he's constantly criticizing. For him and others I know, it's less hate and more being critical. But now if someone that's not a Bears fans criticizes, it's a different story...

 

[Gjallarhorn]

One more item of note. Our fan base is absolutely loaded with fickle haters too. They just never seem happy enough to count their blessings and enjoy the show. Nope, there is always something to get their panties in a bunch. It is why i stopped listening to sports talk radio back in the late nineties.

In my opinion, that's the case with most passionate fan bases. I have a close friend who's a huge Bears fan. And the most critical person of the Bears you could want. Granted, he's got plenty of material, but he's constantly criticizing. For him and others I know, it's less hate and more being critical. But now if someone that's not a Bears fans criticizes, it's a different story...

You should hear most Vikings fans…

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

That's an interesting topic and maybe one for a new thread.

I see maybe the other side of the coin in I see people looking deeper. For instance, someone might say of a team that's 2-2, "They're not just 2-2 in the last month, they're 2-2 against a really tough schedule and lost both those games by a field goal".

That's not refusing to give credit (or blame) in my opinion. That's looking deeper at the actual issue.

Of course. However, once that sample size grows into years it’s something different entirely.

In this case, you’ll see some penalizing a coach in the most team oriented sport, for only doing well, because he has a good team. So he’s not really a good coach he just helped get and teach good players and coaches. These same people have no idea how this person is as a leader, mentor or teacher since they’re too far removed from the team.

After all that, what else is there? Whatever excuse you can come up with to diminish said persons results. Nowadays people have a very tough time admitting someone or something is great. It almost hurts them.

 

[Terpman22]

17-20 for me. Team is loaded with talent and is way too inconsistent. To me it seems he doesn't make the adjustments that good coaches do.

On the 7 game winning streak they are on, they have won each game by outgaining their opponents by 100+ yards in each of these wins.

Another way to put it - they have consistently outgained their opponents by 100+ yards in 7 consecutive games, which has resulted in a 7-0 record over that span.

First time something like this has happened since the 1949 NFL Champion Philadelphia Eagles.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

That's an interesting topic and maybe one for a new thread.

I see maybe the other side of the coin in I see people looking deeper. For instance, someone might say of a team that's 2-2, "They're not just 2-2 in the last month, they're 2-2 against a really tough schedule and lost both those games by a field goal".

That's not refusing to give credit (or blame) in my opinion. That's looking deeper at the actual issue.

Of course. However, once that sample size grows into years it’s something different entirely.

In this case, you’ll see some penalizing a coach in the most team oriented sport, for only doing well, because he has a good team. So he’s not really a good coach he just helped get and teach good players and coaches. These same people have no idea how this person is as a leader, mentor or teacher since they’re too far removed from the team.

After all that, what else is there? Whatever excuse you can come up with to diminish said persons results. Nowadays people have a very tough time admitting someone or something is great. It almost hurts them.

I disagree as I don't think it's something different entirely.

Maybe I'm too generous, but I tend to believe people are actually looking deeper and below the surface.

And I for sure don't see the people having a tough time admitting something is great.

I see the opposite there with people quickly jumping to declare things as awesome or great way before they've established the fact in my opinion. Especially online. But that's just how I see it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

One more item of note. Our fan base is absolutely loaded with fickle haters too. They just never seem happy enough to count their blessings and enjoy the show. Nope, there is always something to get their panties in a bunch. It is why i stopped listening to sports talk radio back in the late nineties.

In my opinion, that's the case with most passionate fan bases. I have a close friend who's a huge Bears fan. And the most critical person of the Bears you could want. Granted, he's got plenty of material, but he's constantly criticizing. For him and others I know, it's less hate and more being critical. But now if someone that's not a Bears fans criticizes, it's a different story...

You should hear most Vikings fans…

YES. That's one of the fanbases that comes to mind. Love those folks. But they are tough on themselves when it's not going well.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another observation I've seen over the years from watching a LOT of different fanbases:

You're actually being persecuted or treated unfairly about 3% as much as you like to think you are.

The 'us against the world" is fun for the locker room talk. But the reality in my opinion is most fans that feel like everyone hates them or is against them are wildly off the mark.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

Sorry, I don't value the opinion of people who are blinded by bias. But I do find it comical when they actually try to support their biased positions. Some of those same posters are currently in the Eagles thread just to troll. Why should I value their opinions?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

You're actually being persecuted or treated unfairly about 3% as much as you like to think you are.

Amen

And are being “trolled” even less than that

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

Sorry, I don't value the opinion of people who are blinded by bias. But I do find it comical when they actually try to support their biased positions. Some of those same posters are currently in the Eagles thread just to troll. Why should I value their opinions?

Nobody is saying that you need to value anyone’s opinion, that is not the problematic part. Doxxing people and trying to get others to ignore them (cancel them) is the sophomoric part that belongs in the Yahoo forums.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

That's an interesting topic and maybe one for a new thread.

I see maybe the other side of the coin in I see people looking deeper. For instance, someone might say of a team that's 2-2, "They're not just 2-2 in the last month, they're 2-2 against a really tough schedule and lost both those games by a field goal".

That's not refusing to give credit (or blame) in my opinion. That's looking deeper at the actual issue.

Of course. However, once that sample size grows into years it’s something different entirely.

In this case, you’ll see some penalizing a coach in the most team oriented sport, for only doing well, because he has a good team. So he’s not really a good coach he just helped get and teach good players and coaches. These same people have no idea how this person is as a leader, mentor or teacher since they’re too far removed from the team.

After all that, what else is there? Whatever excuse you can come up with to diminish said persons results. Nowadays people have a very tough time admitting someone or something is great. It almost hurts them.

I disagree as I don't think it's something different entirely.

Maybe I'm too generous, but I tend to believe people are actually looking deeper and below the surface.

And I for sure don't see the people having a tough time admitting something is great.

I see the opposite there with people quickly jumping to declare things as awesome or great way before they've established the fact in my opinion. Especially online. But that's just how I see it.

You seem to be looking at this through a short term lense. Yes, fans jump to conclusion both positive and negative quickly.

In longer term cases they’re looking deeper to justify their position. It’s more confirmation biased than anything. As the saying goes, “if you torture numbers long enough, they’ll tell you anything you want to hear”

Specific to this topic, we have years of history to draw from, right? Look over this thread and see how easily accomplishments are glossed over to justify their position.

Just look at the recent history of the greatest HC of our lifetime for example.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

Sorry, I don't value the opinion of people who are blinded by bias. But I do find it comical when they actually try to support their biased positions. Some of those same posters are currently in the Eagles thread just to troll. Why should I value their opinions?

Nobody is saying that you need to value anyone’s opinion, that is not the problematic part. Doxxing people and trying to get others to ignore them (cancel them) is the sophomoric part that belongs in the Yahoo forums.

This is where text is hard. I read his reply with a smile like he was busting balls

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

OK. I guess I read it a little differently. No worries. Water under the bridge so to speak. As for the list of posters? I found it neither cool nor uncool, simply factual. The note to self? Eh, everyone here has their own little quirks but, yes, it probably didn't need to be announced to the boards. It is something of an inner thought that is better left relegated to a little black notebook sitting next the computer/tablet/whatever.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Another observation I've seen over the years from watching a LOT of different fanbases:

You're actually being persecuted or treated unfairly about 3% as much as you like to think you are.

The 'us against the world" is fun for the locker room talk. But the reality in my opinion is most fans that feel like everyone hates them or is against them are wildly off the mark.

I don’t wanna make any assumptions, Joe, but if I was a betting man, there is a particular team in mind when you posted this.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another observation I've seen over the years from watching a LOT of different fanbases:

You're actually being persecuted or treated unfairly about 3% as much as you like to think you are.

The 'us against the world" is fun for the locker room talk. But the reality in my opinion is most fans that feel like everyone hates them or is against them are wildly off the mark.

I don’t wanna make any assumptions, Joe, but if I was a betting man, there is a particular team in mind when you posted this.

Not really. Tons of teams do it. "Detroit vs Everyone" has been a thing for years. Certainly other teams have it too.

I see it outside of sports as well.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

That's an interesting topic and maybe one for a new thread.

I see maybe the other side of the coin in I see people looking deeper. For instance, someone might say of a team that's 2-2, "They're not just 2-2 in the last month, they're 2-2 against a really tough schedule and lost both those games by a field goal".

That's not refusing to give credit (or blame) in my opinion. That's looking deeper at the actual issue.

Of course. However, once that sample size grows into years it’s something different entirely.

In this case, you’ll see some penalizing a coach in the most team oriented sport, for only doing well, because he has a good team. So he’s not really a good coach he just helped get and teach good players and coaches. These same people have no idea how this person is as a leader, mentor or teacher since they’re too far removed from the team.

After all that, what else is there? Whatever excuse you can come up with to diminish said persons results. Nowadays people have a very tough time admitting someone or something is great. It almost hurts them.

I disagree as I don't think it's something different entirely.

Maybe I'm too generous, but I tend to believe people are actually looking deeper and below the surface.

And I for sure don't see the people having a tough time admitting something is great.

I see the opposite there with people quickly jumping to declare things as awesome or great way before they've established the fact in my opinion. Especially online. But that's just how I see it.

You seem to be looking at this through a short term lense. Yes, fans jump to conclusion both positive and negative quickly.

In longer term cases they’re looking deeper to justify their position. It’s more confirmation biased than anything. As the saying goes, “if you torture numbers long enough, they’ll tell you anything you want to hear”

Specific to this topic, we have years of history to draw from, right? Look over this thread and see how easily accomplishments are glossed over to justify their position.

Just look at the recent history of the greatest HC of our lifetime for example.

Not really. I think the looking deeper happens more often in long term cases. I just don't consistently see people twisting the numbers to fit the narrative. Maybe they do and if they do, I'm sure they do it every different way.

Again, maybe I'm being naive, but I'm around lots of smart people looking deeper and trying find understanding. Not find conclusions that match their bias.

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe we should expand the conversation a bit to do that thing you see all the time like

"The Perfect QB"

And its a picture and its like
Lamar Jackson's Legs
Josh Allen's Arm
Mahomes' creativity/will to win
Gardner Minshew's Style

Etc..

And do that with a coach. What are the top 5/10 traits etc

I see Nick Sirianni and Dan Campbell as guys who are cut from the same cloth, just ya know, Campbell played in the NFL. Both are motivators, high risk high reward guys, but not the playcaller. Emotional guys sometimes a bit over the line - Nick definitely more haha. Yet Nick Is more accomplished and if you asked people today who is the better coach, most will say Dan Campbell. And its not close.

Makes sense since they are 10-1 in this moment in time and I have seen a lot of "There is no one I'd rather punch in the face more than Nick Sirianni" or similar takes about Nick more than any coach that I can recall recently, there is baked in personal bias that has nothing to do with football. So I feel a lot of people DO overvalue what they see on camera and for whatever, undervalue his record, with various coordinators over the past 3 years what kind of turnover that is and he is still successful OC- From Steichen to Johnson to Moore and on defense from Gannon to Desai/Patricia to Fangio.

its always also interesting how people undersell additions to the team and the on paper obvious impact.. People now easily say that "Well Nick Sirianni has a great OC again" but there were also a ton of articles/takes that go similar to "Moore is on his 3rd team in 3 years, there is a reason for that" Kellen Moore had a proven track record as a OC and folks will over exaggerate his "demise" in LA while ignoring all the injury issues the team dealt with.

The same goes for Saquon. There were a lot of takes and "questions" of how successful he would be in Philadephia. What seems obvious now - Great offensive line, great weapons around him, a running QB that obviously helps open things up for the running back. And these aren't new things. Its not like Warrick Dunn was a great running back, but he had Vick as a QB therefore, running as an undersized RB back in the day, he was able to eat. Great guy also.

And we are all fantasy football junkies but there was a lot of "Saquon is injury prone, Jason Kelce retired, #thecollapse" are we sure he can be really productive this year?"

I mean in the end I guess recency bias and all is part of it. I just definitely feel more now so than ever people like to do some sort of dance about the current Eagles, Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts, Saquon etc being perceived differently as say, the Rams circa 2017-2020 when that coach really had not done anything yet, but let me digress

What makes a great coach

Best coaches of all time? Did they have great players or did they make the players great?

What are the categories?

Offensive/Defensive Genius?
Lombardi/Walsh or Belichick/Dungy?
Reid/Shanahan

CEO/Motivator?
What DO you actually do around here?
Jimmy Johnson/John Madden/Mike Tomlin/
Nick Sirianni/Dan Campbell/John Harbaugh


I think this could be a a great discussion. I find it puzzling to rank a guy relatively so low that currently has the high winning % of any active coach, hasn't had a losing season since taking over a 4 win team as a first time head coach, that has got to the playoffs every single year (has all but clinched a berth this year) and came within a penalty of winning a Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a HC and has had his team start at least 9-2 the past 3 seasons.

It has to be personal haha.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

That's an interesting topic and maybe one for a new thread.

I see maybe the other side of the coin in I see people looking deeper. For instance, someone might say of a team that's 2-2, "They're not just 2-2 in the last month, they're 2-2 against a really tough schedule and lost both those games by a field goal".

That's not refusing to give credit (or blame) in my opinion. That's looking deeper at the actual issue.

Of course. However, once that sample size grows into years it’s something different entirely.

In this case, you’ll see some penalizing a coach in the most team oriented sport, for only doing well, because he has a good team. So he’s not really a good coach he just helped get and teach good players and coaches. These same people have no idea how this person is as a leader, mentor or teacher since they’re too far removed from the team.

After all that, what else is there? Whatever excuse you can come up with to diminish said persons results. Nowadays people have a very tough time admitting someone or something is great. It almost hurts them.

I disagree as I don't think it's something different entirely.

Maybe I'm too generous, but I tend to believe people are actually looking deeper and below the surface.

And I for sure don't see the people having a tough time admitting something is great.

I see the opposite there with people quickly jumping to declare things as awesome or great way before they've established the fact in my opinion. Especially online. But that's just how I see it.

You seem to be looking at this through a short term lense. Yes, fans jump to conclusion both positive and negative quickly.

In longer term cases they’re looking deeper to justify their position. It’s more confirmation biased than anything. As the saying goes, “if you torture numbers long enough, they’ll tell you anything you want to hear”

Specific to this topic, we have years of history to draw from, right? Look over this thread and see how easily accomplishments are glossed over to justify their position.

Just look at the recent history of the greatest HC of our lifetime for example.

I have always thought that confirmation bias is a powerful force and this post continues to confirm that, so I totally agree

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They've hit the easy point of their schedule where small mistakes don't cost them. They'd blow past most of these teams regardless of the coaching.

Commanders
Rams
Ravens
Panthers
Steelers
Commanders

Isn't the "easy part of their schedule"

After their rough start and the bye, they faced Cleveland with Watson, the Giants, the Jags, the Cowboys... those were easy wins for this squad. I don't see those victories as proving anything.

Laugh emoji.

See how he conveniently left out the Bengals, who have the #6 offense in the league, on the road. The Commanders who have the #5 offense, and were fighting for the NFC East division lead, and the Rams who had won 4 of their last 5, and were a game out of the NFC West.

Did I say every game was easy? No. I said it was an easy stretch of games with some lesser opponents. Many gimmies, with some teams on the edges of the playoff picture sprinkled in. My point was accurate. The harder games are coming, and the coach and play calling are more likely to be an issue than the offense or defense will be in those games.

Is anyone really sweating that Saquon is more likely to fail to deliver than Sirianni?

NARRATOR VOICE

The point was *not* accurate

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

Now that they have ripped off 7 straight games, there is NO WAY Nick Sirianni is a good coach

Get out your pick axe and start mining for *any* reason the Eagles are not actually good.

Its very amusing to me.

It’s more of a different topic but this is a generational/ trendy thing you see more and more of today. It’s tougher for people to give credit nowadays. They’ll disguise it as analytical or nuanced etc etc. “they’re only good because excuse, excuse, excuse”. It’s not just sports but all over.

I do think that social media and algorithms do reinforce confirmation bias, but I’m not sure that it’s necessarily any more common today than it ever has been. I’m not sure how to prove it either way, but it seems like a well-known phenomenon for decades (centuries even, in philosophy, fables, etc.)

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Maybe we should expand the conversation a bit to do that thing you see all the time like

"The Perfect QB"

And its a picture and its like
Lamar Jackson's Legs
Josh Allen's Arm
Mahomes' creativity/will to win
Gardner Minshew's Style

Etc..

And do that with a coach. What are the top 5/10 traits etc

I see Nick Sirianni and Dan Campbell as guys who are cut from the same cloth, just ya know, Campbell played in the NFL. Both are motivators, high risk high reward guys, but not the playcaller. Emotional guys sometimes a bit over the line - Nick definitely more haha. Yet Nick Is more accomplished and if you asked people today who is the better coach, most will say Dan Campbell. And its not close.

Makes sense since they are 10-1 in this moment in time and I have seen a lot of "There is no one I'd rather punch in the face more than Nick Sirianni" or similar takes about Nick more than any coach that I can recall recently, there is baked in personal bias that has nothing to do with football. So I feel a lot of people DO overvalue what they see on camera and for whatever, undervalue his record, with various coordinators over the past 3 years what kind of turnover that is and he is still successful OC- From Steichen to Johnson to Moore and on defense from Gannon to Desai/Patricia to Fangio.

its always also interesting how people undersell additions to the team and the on paper obvious impact.. People now easily say that "Well Nick Sirianni has a great OC again" but there were also a ton of articles/takes that go similar to "Moore is on his 3rd team in 3 years, there is a reason for that" Kellen Moore had a proven track record as a OC and folks will over exaggerate his "demise" in LA while ignoring all the injury issues the team dealt with.

The same goes for Saquon. There were a lot of takes and "questions" of how successful he would be in Philadephia. What seems obvious now - Great offensive line, great weapons around him, a running QB that obviously helps open things up for the running back. And these aren't new things. Its not like Warrick Dunn was a great running back, but he had Vick as a QB therefore, running as an undersized RB back in the day, he was able to eat. Great guy also.

And we are all fantasy football junkies but there was a lot of "Saquon is injury prone, Jason Kelce retired, #thecollapse" are we sure he can be really productive this year?"

I mean in the end I guess recency bias and all is part of it. I just definitely feel more now so than ever people like to do some sort of dance about the current Eagles, Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts, Saquon etc being perceived differently as say, the Rams circa 2017-2020 when that coach really had not done anything yet, but let me digress

What makes a great coach

Best coaches of all time? Did they have great players or did they make the players great?

What are the categories?

Offensive/Defensive Genius?
Lombardi/Walsh or Belichick/Dungy?
Reid/Shanahan

CEO/Motivator?
What DO you actually do around here?
Jimmy Johnson/John Madden/Mike Tomlin/
Nick Sirianni/Dan Campbell/John Harbaugh


I think this could be a a great discussion. I find it puzzling to rank a guy relatively so low that currently has the high winning % of any active coach, hasn't had a losing season since taking over a 4 win team as a first time head coach, that has got to the playoffs every single year (has all but clinched a berth this year) and came within a penalty of winning a Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a HC and has had his team start at least 9-2 the past 3 seasons.

It has to be personal haha.

You gotta be willing to build/work at relationships, be a good communicator, be extremely organized, and be so obsessed with football that you sacrifice all else for it because there is no room in your life for anything else.
Nick isn’t perfect, but he checks all of these boxes. Also, he seems to have no ego whatsoever. Philly media rode him all summer with the “what do you even do here” stuff. It clearly bothered him but he isn’t out there gloating now, is he?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Maybe we should expand the conversation a bit to do that thing you see all the time like

"The Perfect QB"

And its a picture and its like
Lamar Jackson's Legs
Josh Allen's Arm
Mahomes' creativity/will to win
Gardner Minshew's Style

Etc..

And do that with a coach. What are the top 5/10 traits etc

I see Nick Sirianni and Dan Campbell as guys who are cut from the same cloth, just ya know, Campbell played in the NFL. Both are motivators, high risk high reward guys, but not the playcaller. Emotional guys sometimes a bit over the line - Nick definitely more haha. Yet Nick Is more accomplished and if you asked people today who is the better coach, most will say Dan Campbell. And its not close.

Makes sense since they are 10-1 in this moment in time and I have seen a lot of "There is no one I'd rather punch in the face more than Nick Sirianni" or similar takes about Nick more than any coach that I can recall recently, there is baked in personal bias that has nothing to do with football. So I feel a lot of people DO overvalue what they see on camera and for whatever, undervalue his record, with various coordinators over the past 3 years what kind of turnover that is and he is still successful OC- From Steichen to Johnson to Moore and on defense from Gannon to Desai/Patricia to Fangio.

its always also interesting how people undersell additions to the team and the on paper obvious impact.. People now easily say that "Well Nick Sirianni has a great OC again" but there were also a ton of articles/takes that go similar to "Moore is on his 3rd team in 3 years, there is a reason for that" Kellen Moore had a proven track record as a OC and folks will over exaggerate his "demise" in LA while ignoring all the injury issues the team dealt with.

The same goes for Saquon. There were a lot of takes and "questions" of how successful he would be in Philadephia. What seems obvious now - Great offensive line, great weapons around him, a running QB that obviously helps open things up for the running back. And these aren't new things. Its not like Warrick Dunn was a great running back, but he had Vick as a QB therefore, running as an undersized RB back in the day, he was able to eat. Great guy also.

And we are all fantasy football junkies but there was a lot of "Saquon is injury prone, Jason Kelce retired, #thecollapse" are we sure he can be really productive this year?"

I mean in the end I guess recency bias and all is part of it. I just definitely feel more now so than ever people like to do some sort of dance about the current Eagles, Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts, Saquon etc being perceived differently as say, the Rams circa 2017-2020 when that coach really had not done anything yet, but let me digress

What makes a great coach

Best coaches of all time? Did they have great players or did they make the players great?

What are the categories?

Offensive/Defensive Genius?
Lombardi/Walsh or Belichick/Dungy?
Reid/Shanahan

CEO/Motivator?
What DO you actually do around here?
Jimmy Johnson/John Madden/Mike Tomlin/
Nick Sirianni/Dan Campbell/John Harbaugh


I think this could be a a great discussion. I find it puzzling to rank a guy relatively so low that currently has the high winning % of any active coach, hasn't had a losing season since taking over a 4 win team as a first time head coach, that has got to the playoffs every single year (has all but clinched a berth this year) and came within a penalty of winning a Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a HC and has had his team start at least 9-2 the past 3 seasons.

It has to be personal haha.

You gotta be willing to build/work at relationships, be a good communicator, be extremely organized, and be so obsessed with football that you sacrifice all else for it because there is no room in your life for anything else.
Nick isn’t perfect, but he checks all of these boxes. Also, he seems to have no ego whatsoever. Philly media rode him all summer with the “what do you even do here” stuff. It clearly bothered him but he isn’t out there gloating now, is he?

This is a great post. He could (and probably should) stick it to the Philly fans for doubting him so early in the season. I’m not a Philly fan but I was a doubter. Hard to argue with the results.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Maybe we should expand the conversation a bit to do that thing you see all the time like

"The Perfect QB"

And its a picture and its like
Lamar Jackson's Legs
Josh Allen's Arm
Mahomes' creativity/will to win
Gardner Minshew's Style

Etc..

And do that with a coach. What are the top 5/10 traits etc

I see Nick Sirianni and Dan Campbell as guys who are cut from the same cloth, just ya know, Campbell played in the NFL. Both are motivators, high risk high reward guys, but not the playcaller. Emotional guys sometimes a bit over the line - Nick definitely more haha. Yet Nick Is more accomplished and if you asked people today who is the better coach, most will say Dan Campbell. And its not close.

Makes sense since they are 10-1 in this moment in time and I have seen a lot of "There is no one I'd rather punch in the face more than Nick Sirianni" or similar takes about Nick more than any coach that I can recall recently, there is baked in personal bias that has nothing to do with football. So I feel a lot of people DO overvalue what they see on camera and for whatever, undervalue his record, with various coordinators over the past 3 years what kind of turnover that is and he is still successful OC- From Steichen to Johnson to Moore and on defense from Gannon to Desai/Patricia to Fangio.

its always also interesting how people undersell additions to the team and the on paper obvious impact.. People now easily say that "Well Nick Sirianni has a great OC again" but there were also a ton of articles/takes that go similar to "Moore is on his 3rd team in 3 years, there is a reason for that" Kellen Moore had a proven track record as a OC and folks will over exaggerate his "demise" in LA while ignoring all the injury issues the team dealt with.

The same goes for Saquon. There were a lot of takes and "questions" of how successful he would be in Philadephia. What seems obvious now - Great offensive line, great weapons around him, a running QB that obviously helps open things up for the running back. And these aren't new things. Its not like Warrick Dunn was a great running back, but he had Vick as a QB therefore, running as an undersized RB back in the day, he was able to eat. Great guy also.

And we are all fantasy football junkies but there was a lot of "Saquon is injury prone, Jason Kelce retired, #thecollapse" are we sure he can be really productive this year?"

I mean in the end I guess recency bias and all is part of it. I just definitely feel more now so than ever people like to do some sort of dance about the current Eagles, Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts, Saquon etc being perceived differently as say, the Rams circa 2017-2020 when that coach really had not done anything yet, but let me digress

What makes a great coach

Best coaches of all time? Did they have great players or did they make the players great?

What are the categories?

Offensive/Defensive Genius?
Lombardi/Walsh or Belichick/Dungy?
Reid/Shanahan

CEO/Motivator?
What DO you actually do around here?
Jimmy Johnson/John Madden/Mike Tomlin/
Nick Sirianni/Dan Campbell/John Harbaugh


I think this could be a a great discussion. I find it puzzling to rank a guy relatively so low that currently has the high winning % of any active coach, hasn't had a losing season since taking over a 4 win team as a first time head coach, that has got to the playoffs every single year (has all but clinched a berth this year) and came within a penalty of winning a Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a HC and has had his team start at least 9-2 the past 3 seasons.

It has to be personal haha.

You gotta be willing to build/work at relationships, be a good communicator, be extremely organized, and be so obsessed with football that you sacrifice all else for it because there is no room in your life for anything else.
Nick isn’t perfect, but he checks all of these boxes. Also, he seems to have no ego whatsoever. Philly media rode him all summer with the “what do you even do here” stuff. It clearly bothered him but he isn’t out there gloating now, is he?

This is a great post. He could (and probably should) stick it to the Philly fans for doubting him so early in the season. I’m not a Philly fan but I was a doubter. Hard to argue with the results.

I found myself defending him (and hurts) at the start of the season. The loss to Atlanta was a bit of a fluke. They got beat in all aspects against TB, no reason to assign blame in all one spot.
Still no complaints from me in the game against Cleveland where they won ugly and he was getting all feisty with the fans. I was really starting to doubt him after their performance against Jacksonville. His decision making in that game was so bad that it should have cost them the game. Got bailed out by TLaw being dumb. It also cost me $500 as the 6th leg in a parlay, so there’s that. All in all, even good coaches make poor decisions. Another plus for Sirianni is that he does reflect on his process and is willing to adjust his process. Andy - who is the best coach around - is not so willing to adjust.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

Sorry, I don't value the opinion of people who are blinded by bias. But I do find it comical when they actually try to support their biased positions. Some of those same posters are currently in the Eagles thread just to troll. Why should I value their opinions?

Nobody is saying that you need to value anyone’s opinion, that is not the problematic part. Doxxing people and trying to get others to ignore them (cancel them) is the sophomoric part that belongs in the Yahoo forums.

That’s not doxxing. Not even close. Doxxing is a serious accusation. Choose your words more carefully next time.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

If you go into the poll and click "see results" and then click on the vote it will tell you who voted for what.

Here are the people who voted to put Sirianni in the 29-32 range. Note to self: Don't value these posters opinions going forward.

• joker
• Mr. Landry
• dickey moe
• RC94
• Rubi
• BobbyLayne
• STEADYMOBBIN 22
• dblock05
• Runkle
• Chaos34
• Jam Session
• abrunn1133

Sorry, can't unsee the epic collapse that was the last 2-3 months last season with a very good roster. They were literally the worst team in the NFL the 2nd half of last season. Drew Lock was beating them.

To take a 6 game stretch and put more weight on that then the other 56 games, including a total rebound from said 6 game stretch that you want to put all the weight on makes no sense.

A Drew Lock team beat the Eagles last year. Guess what? If you coach long enough, that is going to happen. Look at Week 15 in 2010, an Andy Reid coached Eagles were fighting for a 1st round bye and lost to a Vikings team lead by Joe Webb.

In just the last week:

Mike Tomlin's team just lost to the Cleveland Brown's led by Jameis Winston.
Dan Quinn's team just lost to the Dallas Cowboys led by Cooper Rush.
DeMeco Ryans team just lost to the Tennessee Titans led by Will Levis.

To me, people who put Sirianni in the 29-32 range fall into 3 categories. Cowboys fans, clueless, or haters. Especially when this season we have these coaches:

Kyle Shanahan has been a head coach for 8 seasons, he's on his way to his 4th losing season. Kevin Stefanski has been a head coach for 5 seasons and he's on his way to his 3rd losing season. Then you got guys that have been fired already in Saleh and Allen. Guys like Jerod Mayo (3-9 in his first season), Doug Pederson (about to get fired again), Antonio Pierce (on the hot seat), Dave Canales (3-8 in his first season), Brian Daboll (on the hot seats, another losing season, just lost his locker room), Mike McCarthy (lame duck, probably getting fired) and Matt Eberflus (never had a winning season in 3 years, probably getting fired).

Which is all well and good, as this is how a conversation goes. You have your opinion and I have mine. But posting a list of people who disagree with and telling others to ignore them is immature and non-constructive. I guess that is 2024, it’s enough for me to disagree/ignore someone, I have to make sure everyone ignores them…

Why is this the hill you are willing to die on? Please, move on.

I don't think anyone's dying on any hill. I too thought it was uncool to list some of our best posters with the note to self to ignore them. But I get that people like to that.

Sorry, I don't value the opinion of people who are blinded by bias. But I do find it comical when they actually try to support their biased positions. Some of those same posters are currently in the Eagles thread just to troll. Why should I value their opinions?

Nobody is saying that you need to value anyone’s opinion, that is not the problematic part. Doxxing people and trying to get others to ignore them (cancel them) is the sophomoric part that belongs in the Yahoo forums.

That’s not doxxing. Not even close. Doxxing is a serious accusation. Choose your words more carefully next time.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours

 

[Deamon]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Need a tissue dude?

 

[Joe Bryant]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Yikes.

Are some of those from previous years?

Is there a point there?

 

[Deamon]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Yikes.

Are some of those from previous years?

Is there a point there?

Yikes.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

He is, for sure, better than Eberflus

 

[Joe Bryant]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Yikes.

Are some of those from previous years?

Is there a point there?

Yikes.

Are some of those from previous years?

What is the point you're trying to make?

 

[Joe Bryant]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Seems like odd timing for this post as the Eagles face one of their toughest games of the year this season with Baltimore. Power Ranking #8.

Week 13 NFL Power Rankings: 1-32 poll, plus how every team is doing on offense, defense and special teams

How high did the Broncos rise and how far did the 49ers fall in our Week 13 Power Rankings? Plus, we look at every team's FPI rankings.

www.espn.com

They catch a break next week with Carolina - Ranked #28.

Then a tough game vs Pittsburgh - Ranked #7.

Then a good Commanders team ranked #11

And then cruise with soft games to finish against the Cowboys - Ranked #24 and Giants ranked #32.

I'm not sure the objection to considering strength of opponents. It's the primary way most people I know look at games.

 

[renesauz]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Seems like odd timing for this post as the Eagles face one of their toughest games of the year this season with Baltimore. Power Ranking #8.

Week 13 NFL Power Rankings: 1-32 poll, plus how every team is doing on offense, defense and special teams

How high did the Broncos rise and how far did the 49ers fall in our Week 13 Power Rankings? Plus, we look at every team's FPI rankings.

www.espn.com

They catch a break next week with Carolina - Ranked #28.

Then a tough game vs Pittsburgh - Ranked #7.

Then a good Commanders team ranked #11

And then cruise with soft games to finish against the Cowboys - Ranked #24 and Giants ranked #32.

I'm not sure the objection to considering strength of opponents. It's the primary way most people I know look at games.

Yeah, the schedule is neither particularly easy nor particularly hard. Pretty average I think.

It's very very difficult to rank Sirriani right now. It's hard to fault a guy with his W-L record, but he HAS had a good roster and he HAS made some odd decisions. BUT, the players love him and the team is winning, so anything in the top half could be easily justified. But then, his warming seat was justified too when the team started 2-2 and looked average with questionable coaching choices. Maybe we just don't know yet? (FWIW I put him in the 10 area)

 

[unckeyherb]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Seems like odd timing for this post as the Eagles face one of their toughest games of the year this season with Baltimore. Power Ranking #8.

Week 13 NFL Power Rankings: 1-32 poll, plus how every team is doing on offense, defense and special teams

How high did the Broncos rise and how far did the 49ers fall in our Week 13 Power Rankings? Plus, we look at every team's FPI rankings.

www.espn.com

They catch a break next week with Carolina - Ranked #28.

Then a tough game vs Pittsburgh - Ranked #7.

Then a good Commanders team ranked #11

And then cruise with soft games to finish against the Cowboys - Ranked #24 and Giants ranked #32.

I'm not sure the objection to considering strength of opponents. It's the primary way most people I know look at games.

Yeah, the schedule is neither particularly easy nor particularly hard. Pretty average I think.

It's very very difficult to rank Sirriani right now. It's hard to fault a guy with his W-L record, but he HAS had a good roster and he HAS made some odd decisions. BUT, the players love him and the team is winning, so anything in the top half could be easily justified. But then, his warming seat was justified too when the team started 2-2 and looked average with questionable coaching choices. Maybe we just don't know yet? (FWIW I put him in the 10 area)

To be fair he only had a warming seat because we Eagles fans are fickle, delusional psychopaths with completely unrealistic expectations. I mean, the sentiment in Philly after the Cleveland game was that he had to go. That was after a win FFS.
Are there five teams that wouldn’t trade the success he’s had versus what their requisite team has done in the same period? KC, Detroit, SF (although I get the vibe that the fanbase believes they’ll never win one with KS) Buffalo, maybe GB? Who else?

The guy is a tremendous coach. He’s made some questionable decisions but honestly a bunch of those go-for-it-on-4th down calls were imo the right call, it’s just the play execution was lacking. A couple of those hit and he’s a genius. He reality is, across his tenure the Eagles just win.

He’s a top level coach. I voted that way.

 

[Snotbubbles]

We have entered what has become an annual tradition here of "The Eagles have an Easy schedule"

I think with the 2nd easiest schedule, questions about how they'd fare against a really good team were appropriate.

This year, their schedule is not the super cream puff it was last year, but still only the 10th most difficult schedule.

Switching to SNF. This game is over. Bills lose again.

They're back to cupcake schedule after tonight though.

no team in the league has a softer schedule to finish than Eagles.

A top 3 roster in the league with a cupcake rest of schedule.

Eagles 3 point favorite playing a reeling team with their backup QB.

most expect Eagles to get the Seattle backup.

And to be clear - Drew Lock is an incredible QB so in no way shape or form does this make it an easier game or fortunate for Philadelphia.

The last four opponents you face to finish the regular season are a combined 19-36. (But they DEFINITELY are really tough opponents.)

But Seattle is not a good team and Drew Lock is not a good quarterback.

more talented roster facing Drew Lock.

facing the guy who was the backup to Tommy DeVito.

the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league.

Do you disagree the Cardinals are one of the worst teams in the league?

The Eagles played some bad opponents in December

Wow are the Jaguars bad. Yikes.

Seems like odd timing for this post as the Eagles face one of their toughest games of the year this season with Baltimore. Power Ranking #8.

Week 13 NFL Power Rankings: 1-32 poll, plus how every team is doing on offense, defense and special teams

How high did the Broncos rise and how far did the 49ers fall in our Week 13 Power Rankings? Plus, we look at every team's FPI rankings.

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They catch a break next week with Carolina - Ranked #28.

Then a tough game vs Pittsburgh - Ranked #7.

Then a good Commanders team ranked #11

And then cruise with soft games to finish against the Cowboys - Ranked #24 and Giants ranked #32.

I'm not sure the objection to considering strength of opponents. It's the primary way most people I know look at games.

Yeah, the schedule is neither particularly easy nor particularly hard. Pretty average I think.

It's very very difficult to rank Sirriani right now. It's hard to fault a guy with his W-L record, but he HAS had a good roster and he HAS made some odd decisions. BUT, the players love him and the team is winning, so anything in the top half could be easily justified. But then, his warming seat was justified too when the team started 2-2 and looked average with questionable coaching choices. Maybe we just don't know yet? (FWIW I put him in the 10 area)

To be fair he only had a warming seat because we Eagles fans are fickle, delusional psychopaths with completely unrealistic expectations. I mean, the sentiment in Philly after the Cleveland game was that he had to go. That was after a win FFS.
Are there five teams that wouldn’t trade the success he’s had versus what their requisite team has done in the same period? KC, Detroit, SF (although I get the vibe that the fanbase believes they’ll never win one with KS) Buffalo, maybe GB? Who else?

The guy is a tremendous coach. He’s made some questionable decisions but honestly a bunch of those go-for-it-on-4th down calls were imo the right call, it’s just the play execution was lacking. A couple of those hit and he’s a genius. He reality is, across his tenure the Eagles just win.

He’s a top level coach. I voted that way.

I can say with 100% certainty, that his Eagles teams have never been as disorganized at end of game situations as I've seen the Chicago Bears be this season. If Sirianni was coaching Chicago, they have 6 wins minimum, maybe 8.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

My guess is that he has him at #32

Why would you guess that @Deamon and @Ruffrodys05 ?

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Well, I'm looking at your site using my Android phone, not a computer. Initially I didn't realize I could click on a particular voting option total to then see who voted that option. Another poster responded (not sure who) to my post that I could actually do that. Had I known to do that, I wouldn't have asked that particular question. I didn't speculate how you voted. Still, I was interested in the discussion/disagreement with your buddy. You've already answered my questions upthread. I appreciated your responses. And, I believe I thanked you each time with a "like" handshake.

Thanks for the great product you and your staff provide. I hope you had a very nice Thanksgiving with family and friends!!!

 

[Deamon]

I think he's better than at least half the league at being a head coach. He appears to be struggling this year a bit but, you didn't clarify which year, just one year. I voted 13-16 range, while I put Sirianni at 16 as that spot just feels right.

This year, with a draft starting today.

Same. Rank of 16. Slightly better than half the leagues HC's.

An aside:
As an Eagles fan it is tough to leave any bias behind. Many fans feel he needs to go. I am not one of them. I don't feel I am being so much "forgiving" as I am just realistically giving him some additional time to "right the ship," so to speak. A HC being fired mid-season also feels too much like a knee-jerk reaction to a myriad of very fixable team problems.

Thanks. And for sure, this isn't about firing coaches mid season. I was just interested in what you folks thought on a ranking.

Hi @Joe Bryant ! Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've recently been wondering whether or not you have voted in your own poll here. There is no option within the poll to see who or how everyone voted. We only know who and how by posts made.

So, did you vote in the poll? How did you vote?

If you did not vote, could you please let us know a little bit about the disagreement with your friend? Where did you rank Nick Sirianni back a few weeks ago? Where do you rank him now?

By the way, these questions are all made under the same premise as yours; a Pick Your Coach draft.

My guess is that he has him at #32

Why would you guess that @Deamon and @Ruffrodys05 ?

Happy thanksgiving Joe.