Josh Gordon facing 1 year suspension? (1 Viewer)

[Soulfly3]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

Mike Anderson tried the second-hand smoke defense under the more lenient Tagliabue regime. It didn't work out.

ok, do we know what THC levels were found in his system?

Just ebcause he tried and failed doesnt mean it cant work... for all we know his levels were way too high to be classified as second hand

 

[Adam Harstad]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

Mike Anderson tried the second-hand smoke defense under the more lenient Tagliabue regime. It didn't work out.

ok, do we know what THC levels were found in his system?

Just ebcause he tried and failed doesnt mean it cant work... for all we know his levels were way too high to be classified as second hand

They weren't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1660649

Although disappointed Mike Anderson was suspended for violating the league's drug policy, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan didn't necessarily agree the fullback was at fault.

Shanahan didn't go into details, but essentially said he supported Anderson's claim that his positive marijuana test was a result of secondhand smoke.

"All I can say is, if Mike were applying for a job in any organization including yours, and he took a test it would have been negative," Shanahan said Wednesday. "Now is that fair? I'm going to let them take it up with the lawyers and talk about his scenario."

Anderson was suspended Tuesday for four games by the league for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Anderson said the positive test came from secondhand smoke and the amount of marijuana found in his system would not been considered illegal in Colorado.

 

[Soulfly3]

ok, those aren't THC levels tho...

Shanahan can say whatever he wants to say... doesnt mean he's being truthful. He just as easily could be telling the truth tho.

Im just saying, without facts it's hard to know what will and wont work.

 

[massraider]

Has Gordon put together a calendar year without a violation? Let's say he ONLY gets 4 games. Great. Just means his NEXT violation will be a year. And he's going to be looking for #1 WR money soon.

Even if he avoids the full Axe this time, where's the faith that they can count on him?

 

[matttyl]

Seriously, what at this point do we know for sure?

Do we know (or are we just assuming) it was weed?

Do we know that this is of the full year suspension variety?

 

[Soulfly3]

Seriously, what at this point do we know for sure?

Do we know (or are we just assuming) it was weed?

Do we know that this is of the full year suspension variety?

nothing. we know nothing.

a whole lotta smoke and no fire.

odd, dont you think?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

We don't KNOW much. We have heard rumors about a positive drug test. We have had an agent's denial of said rumors. We have heard nothing from the NFL or the player and not much from the team.

The rest is noise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting Gordon to play a full season in 2014. But there is a lot more we don't know than what we do know.

 

[matttyl]

We don't KNOW much. We have heard rumors about a positive drug test. We have had an agent's denial of said rumors. We have heard nothing from the NFL or the player and not much from the team.

The rest is noise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting Gordon to play a full season in 2014. But there is a lot more we don't know than what we do know.

And how do these things typically work? What was the timeline of Blackmon's offseason situation last year?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Seriously, what at this point do we know for sure?

Do we know (or are we just assuming) it was weed?

Do we know that this is of the full year suspension variety?

nothing. we know nothing.

a whole lotta smoke and no fire.

odd, dont you think?

It's not really odd at all. There is almost always a lot of smoke before fire in these situations. Lot of smoke before Hernandez bust into flame for example. The right answer is generally to dummy up, whether you are innocent or guilty. And the league can't won't comment no matter what till it is done. So I'm not sure what fire you'd expect at this point?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

We don't KNOW much. We have heard rumors about a positive drug test. We have had an agent's denial of said rumors. We have heard nothing from the NFL or the player and not much from the team.

The rest is noise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting Gordon to play a full season in 2014. But there is a lot more we don't know than what we do know.

And how do these things typically work? What was the timeline of Blackmon's offseason situation last year?

If I understand the point you are making, I don't disagree with it. The most likely outcome is bad for Gordon.

That said, since we don't know everything (or much at all for that matter), there are still a lot of possibilities out there.

 

[Soulfly3]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

 

[matttyl]

We don't KNOW much. We have heard rumors about a positive drug test. We have had an agent's denial of said rumors. We have heard nothing from the NFL or the player and not much from the team.

The rest is noise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting Gordon to play a full season in 2014. But there is a lot more we don't know than what we do know.

And how do these things typically work? What was the timeline of Blackmon's offseason situation last year?

If I understand the point you are making, I don't disagree with it. The most likely outcome is bad for Gordon.

That said, since we don't know everything (or much at all for that matter), there are still a lot of possibilities out there.

I'm not making a point, I'm trying to determine what the facts are at this point.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

It's pretty effing evident to everyone except the NFL. Yes, the substance abuse policy is stupid, but it is what it is. Let Gordon go, man, as both a Browns' fan and a FF owner. He's probably done for good.

 

[Soulfly3]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

It's pretty effing evident to everyone except the NFL. Yes, the substance abuse policy is stupid, but it is what it is. Let Gordon go, man, as both a Browns' fan and a FF owner. He's probably done for good.

Hey, when the final verdict comes down, Ill know whether to cut ties or not.

No way in hell they'll end a guys career for this. There just isn't.

 

[massraider]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

That gives Gordon the moral high ground. So what?

I agree. Weed shouldn't be a banned substance. And eventually, it won't be. But right now, Gordon can't smoke weed. He has a history with it, knows he is under a microscope, and has already let his teammates down with a suspension last year. Few months later, with a big contract looming, he fails another test? Man.

It says a ton about his decision making. Weed is more important to him than his financial security, and more important than his teammates.

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

 

[lod01]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

It's pretty effing evident to everyone except the NFL. Yes, the substance abuse policy is stupid, but it is what it is. Let Gordon go, man, as both a Browns' fan and a FF owner. He's probably done for good.

Hey, when the final verdict comes down, Ill know whether to cut ties or not.

No way in hell they'll end a guys career for this. There just isn't.

They won't but he may. They will certainly give him another shot. But how does this guy stay clean for a year where he has no contact with the team. He's got plenty of spare time then to light up some doobage.

I don't own him so I may ship him a care package while he's out.

 

[Soulfly3]

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

bingo bongo.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

It's pretty effing evident to everyone except the NFL. Yes, the substance abuse policy is stupid, but it is what it is. Let Gordon go, man, as both a Browns' fan and a FF owner. He's probably done for good.

Hey, when the final verdict comes down, Ill know whether to cut ties or not.

No way in hell they'll end a guys career for this. There just isn't.

It's not that the NFL will end his career, it's his chances of being able to pass the 10 tests he'll be seeing every single month the rest of his career moving forward.He'll need to piss clean 120 times in a row before even applying for reinstatement.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Any chance this is cough syrup again?

 

[massraider]

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

bingo bongo.

That doesn't mean what you are hoping it means.

All the info isn't supposed to come out now. The public isn't supposed to know until after an appeal. So we aren't supposed to have all the info. Someone leaked the story, that's all. There isn't some X-Files conspiracy going on here.

 

[Steed]

Any chance this is cough syrup again?

It wasn't cough syrup the last time, despite what Gordon and his agent would have you believe

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

Both are done. Blackmon is an idiot.

Gordon is a drug addict and BROKE THE LAW every time he toked the refer, he just didn't get arrested like Blackmon. Please lets not debate who broke the law worse. I am sure he drove while high and also put "innocent people" lives at risk.

I f Gordon is too stupid/addicted to law off drugs before getting a big contract, this will not change. He's a drug addict and probably ruined his career with Weed.

So say he gets suspended for a year. You would have to be smoking weed to think he will stay clean. His issues go back to far and clearly he's not giving it up.

 

[Soulfly3]

maybe it's just the industry Im in...

but I dont crucify a guy until I know all the facts.

 

[lod01]

Pookie Gordon.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

maybe it's just the industry Im in...

but I dont crucify a guy until I know all the facts.

Realistically assessing the situation =/= crucifying Gordon. I personally think he should be able to do gravity bong rips in the locker room at halftime if he wants -- weed certainly isn't enhancing anything other than maybe his appetite for junk food. No one's opinion matters here, though, and that includes Roger Goddell's. The responses to substance abuse violations are mandatory under the current CBA.

 

[Soulfly3]

if gets the book thrown at him, Ill be in line to call him an idiot.

until then, Im not gonna get on the negative train

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Seriously, what at this point do we know for sure?

Do we know (or are we just assuming) it was weed?

Do we know that this is of the full year suspension variety?

nothing. we know nothing.

a whole lotta smoke and no fire.

odd, dont you think?

No. It usually happens this way - that info can't be leaked - and we need to wait for an appeal. We'll know when we know - and all of your excuses and defenses will have no bearing on his eventual suspension.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

Blackmon is an idiot but he really only has one DUI. His first one he got pulled over speeding and told the cop he had a beer when he was underage. He wasn't anywhere near being over the legal limit and it was plead down to a much lesser charge due to that.

Both are complete morons risking millions, who's more or less of an idiot is a pretty useless argument.

 

[pantherclub]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

Mike Anderson tried the second-hand smoke defense under the more lenient Tagliabue regime. It didn't work out.

ok, do we know what THC levels were found in his system?

Just ebcause he tried and failed doesnt mean it cant work... for all we know his levels were way too high to be classified as second hand

It ain't going work dude sorry

 

[Soulfly3]

Manziel.

The only excuse I need to know.

 

[Shutout]

If nothing else, we know something happened. I can't remember the last time this much of the media leaked something ion the NFL about a possible suspension and it just ended up "my bad--nothing to see here."​

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I read some stuff today where they said it is possible he only gets 4 games if he is categorized as level 2. That would be great for any hopes for the browns and fantasy owners but even if they get that lucky, this is a ticking timebomb. Time to cut the cord.

 

[B-Deep]

I do not recall ever seeing a report of a failed drug test where there was none....if there was a case of this please enlighten me

 

[jdoggydogg]

Two stupid factors at play here:

1) Punitive laws regarding a drug as mild as marijuana are stupid.

However...

2) Josh Gordon is really, really, really, really, really, REALLY stupid.

All the guy has to do is avoid weed for a few years and he's set for life.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Seriously, what at this point do we know for sure?

Do we know (or are we just assuming) it was weed?

Do we know that this is of the full year suspension variety?

nothing. we know nothing.

a whole lotta smoke and no fire.

odd, dont you think?

Ummm... no, it's not that odd. In fact, it would be odd if we *DID* know something, since the league's substance abuse program is supposed to be totally confidential. We aren't supposed to know who is in it, what stage they are in, what they are in it for, or how many positive tests they've had. All we're supposed to know is who has been suspended and for how many games. In other words, this is exactly what the league's substance abuse program is supposed to look like when it's functioning as intended, except for the fact that news of Gordon's suspension leaked before he'd gone through the appeals process.

Now, granted, maybe "functioning as intended" is indeed a little bit odd in this era of illegal and unethical leaks of private health information, but I wouldn't go reading too much into the lack of details.

Edit: remember, we don't know any details regarding Blackmon, either. We have no idea what he tested positive for, or when he did it. It might have been weed, it might have been booze. We don't know if the league is allowed to test for booze, even. We speculate that that's what it is given his history of alcohol-related problems, but for all we know, Blackmon got suspended for doing lines of coke off of Roger Goodell's wife. We know just as many details about Blackmon as we do about Gordon. Doesn't change the fact that Blackmon is out of the league indefinitely, and Gordon might well be about to follow suit.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I do not recall ever seeing a report of a failed drug test where there was none....if there was a case of this please enlighten me

My memory might be off on the details, but didn't we go through this exact same song and dance with Gordon just last season? Local Cleveland reporter hinted that big news was coming down the pipe with Gordon, news of his failed drug test broke, Gordon vigorously denied everything, Gordon got suspended anyway?

 

[Concept Coop]

I do not recall ever seeing a report of a failed drug test where there was none....if there was a case of this please enlighten me

My memory might be off on the details, but didn't we go through this exact same song and dance with Gordon just last season? Local Cleveland reporter hinted that big news was coming down the pipe with Gordon, news of his failed drug test broke, Gordon vigorously denied everything, Gordon got suspended anyway?

Yes. Except the this time the big boys are reporting it.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Dan Graziano reports the NFL is expected to revamp its marijuana policy in the league's new drug agreement, instituting a higher threshold for positive tests and lessening the penalties.
It's unclear how much the penalties will be lessened, but at the very least, it means players will no longer be subject to a four-game ban for a first-time offense. Per Graziano, only haggling over the arbitration process is delaying the new drug agreement. The move comes too late for Josh Gordon, but it appears marijuana will no longer be treated as a more serious offense than issues like drunk driving and assault.

Source: ESPN.com

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

bingo bongo.

That doesn't mean what you are hoping it means.

All the info isn't supposed to come out now. The public isn't supposed to know until after an appeal. So we aren't supposed to have all the info. Someone leaked the story, that's all. There isn't some X-Files conspiracy going on here.

It's coming down the "pike", unless you were trying to make a pun.

 

[bonesman]

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

bingo bongo.

That doesn't mean what you are hoping it means.

All the info isn't supposed to come out now. The public isn't supposed to know until after an appeal. So we aren't supposed to have all the info. Someone leaked the story, that's all. There isn't some X-Files conspiracy going on here.

It's coming down the "pike", unless you were trying to make a pun.

You quoted the wrong person, unless you were trying to be ironic.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

bingo bongo.

That doesn't mean what you are hoping it means.All the info isn't supposed to come out now. The public isn't supposed to know until after an appeal. So we aren't supposed to have all the info. Someone leaked the story, that's all. There isn't some X-Files conspiracy going on here.

It's coming down the "pike", unless you were trying to make a pun.

You quoted the wrong person, unless you were trying to be ironic.

Haha stupid phone.

 

[karmarooster]

Tangentially related:

Let's start with [Dolphins CB Don ]Jones, who tweeted "OMG" and "Horrible" when Michael Sam kissed his partner on ESPN after being drafted in the 7th round. That's not an ideal reaction from the NFL's perspective, but it's an honest one, ostensibly one of the primary reasons that Twitter exists -- to allow real-time reaction to current events. The problem for Jones is that it's also a politically incorrect response. So the Dolphins suspended and fined Jones. That's despite the fact that Jones doesn't play on the same team as Sam, it's presently the off-season, and Jones's comments weren't that egregious in relation to other homophobic comments by the league's players in past years. Jones disagrees with two men kissing on sports television. That's hardly an opinion that he alone shares. Yet if he'd Tweeted, "OMG," followed by "Hooray," there would have been no team or NFL reaction at all. Hell, Sportscenter might have retweeted him and praised his courage.

Instead the Dolphins fined and suspended him.

For words.

"We were disappointed to read Don's tweets," coach Joe Philbin said in a statement. "They were inappropriate and unacceptable, and we regret the negative impact these comments had on such an important weekend for the NFL. We met with Don today about respect, discrimination and judgment. These comments are not consistent with the values and standards of our program."

How does that compare with the Baltimore Ravens reaction to running back Ray Rice being videoed knocking out his fiancee and subsequently charged with domestic assault? The Ravens said as follows: "This is part of the due process for Ray. We know there is more to Ray Rice than this one incident."

Is this real life?

You get in more trouble for a Tweet about men kissing on a sports television show than you do for allegedly knocking out your girlfriend and being charged with domestic assault?

http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/actions-matter-more-than-words-unless-you-re-on-the-internet-051214

I, for one, know that there's more to Josh Gordon than bongs, joints, and especially blunts. In particular, I'm talking about koi. And Geishas.

http://deadspin.com/browns-wr-josh-gordon-has-a-gigantic-elaborate-back-ta-1546939030

(Disclaimer - I do not agree with everything in that Fox Sports article, but think the Gordon-Rice-Sterling-Sam/Jones circle of punishment is rather interesting when you compare them to each other.)

 

[Old Smiley]

The Dolphins are trying to clean things up. This was done internally. They're trying to recover from the Incognito stuff, and the fool of a GM they had for years. So what if it's a little PC. Media's part of the gig.

You don't have to tweet everything.

 

[karmarooster]

That's true, obviously anything relating to Dolphins PR relates back to Incognito. But I was not addressing what Jones said (or scoffing at his suspension in a vacuum).... I was getting at the disparity that the Dolphins statement is so "disappointed" while the Ravens are all "but he's more than just a wife-beater!"

 

[donkshow]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Dan Graziano reports the NFL is expected to revamp its marijuana policy in the league's new drug agreement, instituting a higher threshold for positive tests and lessening the penalties.
It's unclear how much the penalties will be lessened, but at the very least, it means players will no longer be subject to a four-game ban for a first-time offense. Per Graziano, only haggling over the arbitration process is delaying the new drug agreement. The move comes too late for Josh Gordon, but it appears marijuana will no longer be treated as a more serious offense than issues like drunk driving and assault.

Source: ESPN.com

Too late for Gordon = damnit.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Haslam said. Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, plans to appeal the league's ruling and try to have the suspension reduced.

Confirms the suspension, and suggests it's of the 'have a nice season' variety IMO.

Keep in mind that, if suspended, Gordon will have to pass every test for at least the next 12 months in order to be reinstated. And will have to do it without the structure of the NFL season.

 

[Soulfly3]

Haslam said. Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, plans to appeal the league's ruling and try to have the suspension reduced.

Confirms the suspension, and suggests it's of the 'have a nice season' variety IMO.

They appealed a 4 game suspension too.

 

[Slapdash]

Tangentially related:

Let's start with [Dolphins CB Don ]Jones, who tweeted "OMG" and "Horrible" when Michael Sam kissed his partner on ESPN after being drafted in the 7th round. That's not an ideal reaction from the NFL's perspective, but it's an honest one, ostensibly one of the primary reasons that Twitter exists -- to allow real-time reaction to current events. The problem for Jones is that it's also a politically incorrect response. So the Dolphins suspended and fined Jones. That's despite the fact that Jones doesn't play on the same team as Sam, it's presently the off-season, and Jones's comments weren't that egregious in relation to other homophobic comments by the league's players in past years. Jones disagrees with two men kissing on sports television. That's hardly an opinion that he alone shares. Yet if he'd Tweeted, "OMG," followed by "Hooray," there would have been no team or NFL reaction at all. Hell, Sportscenter might have retweeted him and praised his courage.

Instead the Dolphins fined and suspended him.

For words.

"We were disappointed to read Don's tweets," coach Joe Philbin said in a statement. "They were inappropriate and unacceptable, and we regret the negative impact these comments had on such an important weekend for the NFL. We met with Don today about respect, discrimination and judgment. These comments are not consistent with the values and standards of our program."

How does that compare with the Baltimore Ravens reaction to running back Ray Rice being videoed knocking out his fiancee and subsequently charged with domestic assault? The Ravens said as follows: "This is part of the due process for Ray. We know there is more to Ray Rice than this one incident."

Is this real life?

You get in more trouble for a Tweet about men kissing on a sports television show than you do for allegedly knocking out your girlfriend and being charged with domestic assault?

http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/actions-matter-more-than-words-unless-you-re-on-the-internet-051214

I, for one, know that there's more to Josh Gordon than bongs, joints, and especially blunts. In particular, I'm talking about koi. And Geishas.

http://deadspin.com/browns-wr-josh-gordon-has-a-gigantic-elaborate-back-ta-1546939030

(Disclaimer - I do not agree with everything in that Fox Sports article, but think the Gordon-Rice-Sterling-Sam/Jones circle of punishment is rather interesting when you compare them to each other.)

Completely ridiculous

 

[William Munny]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Dan Graziano reports the NFL is expected to revamp its marijuana policy in the league's new drug agreement, instituting a higher threshold for positive tests and lessening the penalties.

It's unclear how much the penalties will be lessened, but at the very least, it means players will no longer be subject to a four-game ban for a first-time offense. Per Graziano, only haggling over the arbitration process is delaying the new drug agreement. The move comes too late for Josh Gordon, but it appears marijuana will no longer be treated as a more serious offense than issues like drunk driving and assault.

Source: ESPN.com

No way he's gone for the year.

 

[PatsWillWin]

That's true, obviously anything relating to Dolphins PR relates back to Incognito. But I was not addressing what Jones said (or scoffing at his suspension in a vacuum).... I was getting at the disparity that the Dolphins statement is so "disappointed" while the Ravens are all "but he's more than just a wife-beater!"

Hey, come on now guy. There's no evidence to suggest Ray beat his wife since they got married (they were engaged at the time!).

 

[ebsteelers]

so are we buying Charles Johnson now?