Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: Defense Rests. Resisting the urge to go full HT and just purge this crapshow of a thread. (1 Viewer)

[Cowboysfan8]

Bull####.  Every person involved in this case was white.  Injecting race and racism into this is absurd.

Yet par for the course 

 

[jm192]

Cmon, man:

Ahead of Rittenhouse trial, race seen as underlying issue

This is absurd.  

If Rittenhouse is some evil racist who wanted to kill black people--he went to a BLM protest full of wait for it...black people. 

Yet somehow, he only killed/injured white people.  He is really really bad at being racist.

 

[jm192]

Please enlighten yourself:

Ahead of Rittenhouse trial, race seen as underlying issue

I hate these kind of snarky/condescending protests from the left leaning posters.

"You just don't understand what racism really is."

But surely you can see that Rittenhouse didn't kill two white guys and injure a 3rd in the name of white supremacy.  If his goal was hate and pain towards the black community--why didn't he kill any of the black protestors that were there?  

 

[Joe Mammy]

He is really really bad at being racist.

Nailed it. Congrats!

 

[unckeyherb]

Now Rodney, you have to read the article.

I scanned it.  And I get it.  Against the backdrop of the Blake shooting this is viewed by some as a race sensitive issue.  They’re wrong and I don’t care if NPR thinks they’re right.  It’s unhinged to think this is about racism.  The man interviewed in that article -I think related to Blake- said “if Rittenhouse gets off it would send an ominous message to black america”.  Wtf is he talking about?  

 

[squistion]

I get Blake was black. 

White kid was concerned and went as he said to protect Kenosha from the rioters.  Ends up shooting 3 white guys. From the video looked like a chaotic mess.  I guess you can call it whatever you want but Still don`t get how this was labled racist.   He did not got out hunting black people..that would have been racist.

Who were Black Lives Matters protesters, no? It is not much of a leap to see that there is a racial element that is involved in this.

 

[Phil Elliott]

In a perfect world there is nothing to protest.   

Maybe if everyone was the same, like droids, but I think Ai would still adopt to learning IE HAL

"open the pod bay doors, HAL"

"I can't do that Dave"

 

[ekbeats]

..And the judge still didnt clearly see it...even being 4 feet away from it and them slowing it down. Ridiculous

I watched the court video 2 times and also looked at separate videos that have been enlarged and I in no way see Kyle raising his gun.  I think the Defense didn't argue this because they know it is going to be a red herring.

 

[jm192]

Who were Black Lives Matters protesters, no? It is not much of a leap to see that there is a racial element that is involved in this.

He is on trial for shooting 3 white men.  

I understand that there were a lot of racial tensions at the time this happened--but you'd think he shot 3 black men with no provocation the way some of you guys are acting.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Who were Black Lives Matters protesters, no? It is not much of a leap to see that there is a racial element that is involved in this.

Just because BLM is a racist terrorist organization doesn't mean the individuals involved in this case are.

 

[Insein]

Just because BLM is a racist terrorist organization doesn't mean the individuals involved in this case are.

I mean Rosenbaum sounded like he was but can't say about the rest. 

 

[jm192]

Nailed it. Congrats!

Spoken like a high school kid that came to educate us all on racism.  

 

[General Malaise]

White kid shoots 3 white men.

  Trying to figure out where racism comes into play in this case.

Wut?  The guy made a joke about OJ needing a fourth for his golf outing.  It was funny.  Jesus, settle down.

 

[ekbeats]

Sure. But that’s not the point I was or am making (much like here I’m not making the point about whether a 17 should be doing this).  You’re arguing home town not home.  I think they are vastly different.  You yourself said a few days back that if there was a riot in your town you would be standing on your porch defending your home. That I completely agree with, that’s defending your home. It’s completely different leaving your home to go defend your home town. They are not the same.   That was and is my point.  Just like I said I don’t believe he went there to commit murder. Though I do believe he went there looking for (hoping for) trouble.  They are 2 very different things.  
 

I was, and am, trying to find common ground between the two sides in saying…. Can we all agree he didn’t go there to commit murder. And can all agree he wasn’t defending his home. Those things have both been argued here he was doing.  

When you are a minor with divorced parents you have two homes.

 

[General Malaise]

I didn’t plan on trying lol 

Appreciate ya.

 

[-fish-]

I get Blake was black. 

White kid was concerned and went as he said to protect Kenosha from the rioters.  Ends up shooting 3 white guys. From the video looked like a chaotic mess.  I guess you can call it whatever you want. Call it self defense, call it murder, but Still don`t get how this was labled racist.   He did not got out hunting black people..that would have been racist.

Yeah, even if he is a white supremacist the shooting itself didn't have anything to do with racism.   It was all about his wannabe cop fantasies.

 

[jon_mx]

It doesn't.  The MSM have lost their minds.  Don Lemon said that the judge is probably racist and therefore taking it easy on Rittenhouse.  

White guys kills 3 white guys--and it's a hate crime suddenly.  There was a time news networks cared about reporting the truth.  Now they care about winning elections.  And CNN along with the Democratic party have created this scenario where they think they're going to win either way:

1. Rittenhouse is guilty.  Look at the progress Joe and Kamala have made on Racism in America.

2.  Rittenhouse is innocent.  Black people everywhere are pissed off that this racist murderer is going free.  

I assume/hope most people are smart enough to see this for the ruse it is.

Today it is not about black vs. white, it is all about liberal vs. Conservative.  Any crime against a liberal is a hate crime.  That is modern liberalism.   Liberals can not be guilty of hate crimes.  

 

[dkp993]

When you are a minor with divorced parents you have two homes.

As I was one I fully understand that.  He still wasn’t defending his home as I laid out in my previous post.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

He is on trial for shooting 3 white men.  

I understand that there were a lot of racial tensions at the time this happened--but you'd think he shot 3 black men with no provocation the way some of you guys are acting.

I am not saying I agree, but the point of the person in the article was that he shot 3 people who were supporters of BLM, and hence a bit of the racial tension is there.  

 

[squistion]

Today it is not about black vs. white, it was about liberal vs. Conservative.  Any crime against a liberal is a hate crime.  That is modern liberalism.   Liberals can not be guilty of hate crimes.  

Absurd hyperbole. Of course a liberal can be found guilty of a hate crime and you know that. 

 

[quick-hands]

Now Rodney, you have to read the article.

The writers opinion is about as light weight as it gets.

 

[jon_mx]

Did the gun charge get dropped?  I do not see any article on it, but it seems like it has.  

 

[ekbeats]

Yes, I think it was murder.  You won't change my mind. 

That's just nonsense.  Either you aren't familiar with the definition of murder or you aren't familiar with the facts of this case.

Murder - The killing of another person without justification or excuse

 

[Phil Elliott]

Absurd hyperbole. Of course a liberal can be found guilty of a hate crime and you know that. 

Only against themselves ie "Smollett"

Everything I see reported is there is no racism against whites. 

 

[quick-hands]

I am not saying I agree, but the point of the person in the article was that he shot 3 people who were supporters of BLM, and hence a bit of the racial tension is there.  

If the guy wasn't white they wouldn't have chased him.   So by your logic the white BLM guys where in effect black nationalists?

 

[unckeyherb]

I am not saying I agree, but the point of the person in the article was that he shot 3 people who were supporters of BLM, and hence a bit of the racial tension is there.  

A court proceeding in which there are literally no people of color involved in the issue at hand, has racism injected into it anyways.

What a stupid time to be alive.  

 

[jon_mx]

Only against themselves ie "Smollett"

And even then, the leftist DA dropped the charges. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

As I was one I fully understand that.  He still wasn’t defending his home as I laid out in my previous post.  

I find these lines interesting that people draw as to when they would and would not take up arms to defend.  Like you keep saying - this wasn't his house, business, whatever.   This was a city of 100K that his he lived p/t in, right?   

I get people saying they would defend their house and business.   I would probably defend one not the other.   EK is saying he would go armed to help a city he's never lived in because his parents grew up there.  Just interesting where people are drawing the lines, but I get that would factor in how much business you believe KR had being there that night.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

If the guy wasn't white they wouldn't have chased him.   So by your logic the white BLM guys where in effect black nationalists?

I was relaying what the person in the article said, and why there might be racial element in the mix.   That wasn't my logic.  

 

[General Malaise]

When you are a minor with divorced parents you have two homes.

Out of curiosity, which parent is a permanent resident of this town?  Mom or dad?

 

[-fish-]

Today it is not about black vs. white, it is all about liberal vs. Conservative.  Any crime against a liberal is a hate crime.  That is modern liberalism.   Liberals can not be guilty of hate crimes.  

your whole world is a giant liberal conspiracy to keep you down.   half your posts are hate, the other half are complaining about persecution. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I would save my house and the local Applebees.

 

[jm192]

I am not saying I agree, but the point of the person in the article was that he shot 3 people who were supporters of BLM, and hence a bit of the racial tension is there.  

I guess from what I've read/seen/heard:  and I admit I've not seen as much as a lot of people here--but in those 3 cases--they came after him.  

They weren't shot for their beliefs.  They were shot because they went at an armed person.  He didn't stop and say "Oh, no, this guy believes in xyz."  He pulled the trigger when he thought he was in danger.  

There's a racial undertone to the whole thing because it was a BLM protest after a black man was shot.  But the death of these 2 people and injury of the 3rd--there is no racism there.  There is no hate there.  

People that are framing it this way are doing it for their identity politics victories.

 

[ekbeats]

In a perfect world people protest whatever it is they have an issue with, they go home. We have no advantageous jackasses who start looting, no "helpers" coming in to pretend they are cops and no need for people to help out if they see someone messed up.

The problem - that Liberals fail to address - is that the BLM protests have become riddled with way too much criminal activity. There's a large section of the protest movement that feels that the destruction of property is not only justified, but necessary.  You just had the NY BLM founder, Hawk Newsome, vow that if the Mayor institutes more stringent measures of policing, "there will be riots, there will be fire, and there will be bloodshed."  Until the Left changes that notion that they are entitled to act violently then there will be a need for vigilanteism.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Out of curiosity, which parent is a permanent resident of this town?  Mom or dad?

Pretty sure it's dad.

 

[Insein]

Out of curiosity, which parent is a permanent resident of this town?  Mom or dad?

Dad

 

[jon_mx]

your whole world is a giant liberal conspiracy to keep you down.   half your posts are hate, the other half are complaining about persecution. 

I have two eyes.  I can see what the media does.  I can see how corrupt liberal prosecutors only pursue conservatives.  I can see how liberal educators push anti-white/conservative propaganda.  I can see how how liberal AG's want to call all right-wingers domestic terrorists.  It is the worst hidden conspiracy in history. 

 

[jm192]

Yes, I think it was murder.  You won't change my mind. 

Can you elaborate on this?

I certainly haven't heard all of the facts.  But what I've seen/read suggest that in each instance people were chasing after him, swinging at him, pointing guns at him...I don't think it's a big leap to argue self defense here.  

 

[quick-hands]

I was relaying what the person in the article said, and why there might be racial element in the mix.   That wasn't my logic.  

Ok.

But that's why it's a light weight opinion.

 

[General Malaise]

That's just nonsense.  Either you aren't familiar with the definition of murder or you aren't familiar with the facts of this case.

Murder - The killing of another person without justification or excuse

I bet you think abortion is murder.  I'm not changing your mind on that if I'm right.  

This smug little girl slapping doodlebug went into a charged situation after curfew with a loaded gun and shot dead two people.  He is a murderer - text book.  And I don't give a tinker's damn how wrong you think I am. That punk murdered two people and needs to pay the price.  Will he?  I don't know.  Probably not. But he's lucky I'm not on the jury.  

So go pound sand with what you think about what I think.  I don't care a lick about what you think because I can gosh damn guarantee you I think you are wrong.  On everything.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ok.

But that's why it's a light weight opinion.

That's fair.   Just don't make the mistake that it was my opinion b/c I relayed what was said in the article.  

 

[dkp993]

I find these lines interesting that people draw as to when they would and would not take up arms to defend.  Like you keep saying - this wasn't his house, business, whatever.   This was a city of 100K that his he lived p/t in, right?   

I get people saying they would defend their house and business.   I would probably defend one not the other.   EK is saying he would go armed to help a city he's never lived in because his parents grew up there.  Just interesting where people are drawing the lines, but I get that would factor in how much business you believe KR had being there that night.  

While I’m close to where you are there’s still one major difference being left out. In Regards to him going there that night I think there’s a big difference between an adult male doing it and a child like himself.  While I may agree or disagree on a grown man doing it I can at least understand it. I can’t wrap my head around being OK with a 17-year-old kid doing it.   

 

[quick-hands]

That's fair.   Just don't make the mistake that it was my opinion b/c I relayed what was said in the article.  

I as usual jumped to conclusions.    I apologize.   

 

[Insein]

I bet you think abortion is murder.  I'm not changing your mind on that if I'm right.  

This smug little girl slapping doodlebug went into a charged situation after curfew with a loaded gun and shot dead two people.  He is a murderer - text book.  And I don't give a tinker's damn how wrong you think I am. That punk murdered two people and needs to pay the price.  Will he?  I don't know.  Probably not. But he's lucky I'm not on the jury.  

So go pound sand with what you think about what I think.  I don't care a lick about what you think because I can gosh damn guarantee you I think you are wrong.  On everything.  

Cool. Next time someone comes up and attacks you, hope you don't have to kill them to fend them off. You might get people that think like you on the jury. 

 

[ekbeats]

As I was one I fully understand that.  He still wasn’t defending his home as I laid out in my previous post.  

I didn't say he was defending his home.  I said Kenosha was his second home.  If you want to play squidward and need to add "town" to it then have at it.  Whatever helps you out guy.

 

[squistion]

The problem - that Liberals fail to address - is that the BLM protests have become riddled with way too much criminal activity. There's a large section of the protest movement that feels that the destruction of property is not only justified, but necessary.  You just had the NY BLM founder, Hawk Newsome, vow that if the Mayor institutes more stringent measures of policing, "there will be riots, there will be fire, and there will be bloodshed."  Until the Left changes that notion that they are entitled to act violently then there will be a need for vigilanteism.

Hawk Newsom currently has no connection with any official chapter of  Black Lives Matter organization and hasn't for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk_Newsome

In June 2020, then-U.S. President Donald Trump falsely described Newsome in a tweet as a "Black Lives Matter leader."[1] This description of Newsome prompted a response from Managing Director of the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation Kailee Scales, who stated that Newsome "has no relation to the Black Lives Matter Global Network", "is not the "president" of BLM or any of its chapters.", and that his group "is not a chapter of BLM and has not entered into any agreement with BLM agreeing to adhere to BLM's core principles.", adding "The only official chapter of BLM in New York is Black Lives Matter NYC."[5]

 

[ekbeats]

I bet you think abortion is murder.  I'm not changing your mind on that if I'm right.  

This smug little girl slapping doodlebug went into a charged situation after curfew with a loaded gun and shot dead two people.  He is a murderer - text book.  And I don't give a tinker's damn how wrong you think I am. That punk murdered two people and needs to pay the price.  Will he?  I don't know.  Probably not. But he's lucky I'm not on the jury.  

So go pound sand with what you think about what I think.  I don't care a lick about what you think because I can gosh damn guarantee you I think you are wrong.  On everything.  

Lighten up Francis.    Holy cow.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I as usual jumped to conclusions.    I apologize.   

No worries at all.  Hard to keep things straight sometimes in these threads with dozens of different ideas being lobbed around.    

 

[jm192]

I bet you think abortion is murder.  I'm not changing your mind on that if I'm right.  

This smug little girl slapping doodlebug went into a charged situation after curfew with a loaded gun and shot dead two people.  He is a murderer - text book.  And I don't give a tinker's damn how wrong you think I am. That punk murdered two people and needs to pay the price.  Will he?  I don't know.  Probably not. But he's lucky I'm not on the jury.  

So go pound sand with what you think about what I think.  I don't care a lick about what you think because I can gosh damn guarantee you I think you are wrong.  On everything.  

Again, you're saying your mind won't be changed, but if he felt he was threatened--is there no grey between self defense and murder?  

Just he shot someone so boom murder?  Are you against the idea of self defense as a defense in these situations in general?  Just in the defense of a 17 year old kids?  Just because it happened during a racially sensitive time? 

Murder involves premeditation or forethought.  Did he go there intending to kill these two people?  

You're a very well thought out poster.  I'm just confused by the stance here.

 

[ekbeats]

Cool. Next time someone comes up and attacks you, hope you don't have to kill them to fend them off. You might get people that think like you on the jury. 

Based on his recent snap I'd worry more about him doing the attacking.