JohnnyU
Footballguy
This is bad news for the Colts, but one they definitely can overcome. I'm not that keen on Wilkins as their RB3 however. I don't think he has a lot of talent. Devonta Freeman anyone?
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Marlon Mack, RB, DEN (3 Viewers)
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Sea Duck
Footballguy
Casting Couch
Footballguy
MFL still listing Marlon Mack as OUT, not IR.
BINGBING
Footballguy
Yeah this is a BIG problem. It's the same with Blake Jarwin. Why is NJoku already on IR but Jarwin isn't? This is gonna screw up waivers.
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Footballguy
Not sure what MFL's criteria is, but Mack's IR status hasn't been posted to the NFL's website yet.
(Then again, his status hasn't officially been listed as "Out", either.")
I-ROK
Footballguy
DirtyCashDylan
Footballguy
What value does he have going forward into next year?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’d guess very little - I don’t see anyone singing him as a starting RB, even without the Achilles’ tendon injury, but could have maybe been a spell back. That type of injury is devastating however, which opens the possibility he never really sees significant snaps again.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Whoever wrote that blurb didn't take the time to look up what his injury was. It was an Achilles' heel injury, not an ACL. I knew it was wrong. Bad reporting by Roto.
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Mack to Pittsburgh would be a great fit. Even though they have salary cap issues, RB's don't get more than $4 million a year in free agency.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Pitt would be a dream scenario for holders but I am not sure his style is the right fit there. More likely ends up in somewhere like Jacksonville on a prove-it deal to be a backup
Biabreakable
Footballguy
If I recall correctly recovery from Achilles carries more risk than ACL for a RB.
I hope Mack is fine. Just something to be mindful of when assessing risk.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Can you think of any NFL RBs that were at his caliber that had the injury? D’onta Foreman and Demaryius Thomas (wr) are the only two skill position players I can think of. Foreman looked decent when given carries although he was never a stud. Thomas came back and had a heck of a career at the WR position.
socrates
Footballguy
Aside from Marlon Mack, D'Onta Foreman and Mikel Leshoure, I cannot recall another NFL RB attempting to overcome a ruptured achilles. I am not suggesting it cannot be achieved. We have an extremely small sample size to assess. I am just unaware of an NFL RB yet having a successful career after such an injury.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
You are correct, just not enough of a sample size. Although Demaryius coming back and playing at a high level provides promise. D’onta had 22 carries for 95 yards this last season, so he was productive. I just don’t think he is an elite back by any means so it doesn’t really help the question.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
One thing in Macks favor as far as his recovery is that the injury happened so early last season. He will be close to a year from that when TC comes around.
I did some reading on examples of RB who have performed well in the NFL post Achilles injury and there may be an example I am forgetting now, but its a very short list.
I did some reading on examples of RB who have performed well in the NFL post Achilles injury and there may be an example I am forgetting now, but its a very short list.
socrates
Footballguy
The one notable example of a RB overcoming an achilles injury, that I can recall, is Jonathan Stewart, although I don't believe he tore his achilles.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I was reading about it back when Foreman had the injury. Still fuzzy on the details and I dont want to read up on it again right now. Its sad.
I am rooting for Mack and Foreman to become examples beating that trend if they can.
jtd13
Footballguy
There have been a couple WRs that recovered pretty well recently. I was sure Manny Sanders was done when he tore his at age 30ish. He's had 2 full seasons since.
rschroeder1
Footballguy
As a Mack owner, I don't know what to make of this. If he's healthy and has no long term effects, a big if, it seems like he could wrestle the lion's share of carries. Of course, Taylor may show more consistency with a year of experience.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I mean. I'm cutting Mack. I'll put out a message and see if anyone wants him but really this is the Colts showing a little loyalty IMO. Give him a chance to keep getting healthy and to compete but at the end of the day let's get real here. Taylor is going off in the 1st round of startups as the 2nd or 3rd RB. If the FF community is that far off, ok fine wouldn't be the first time. But wow with the Mack takes in here.
*whispers* - he wasn't that good before the injury
*ducks flying shoes*
*whispers* - he wasn't that good before the injury
*ducks flying shoes*
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
By the end of the season Taylor was looking dominant. I can’t see Mack even if healthy taking the lion’s share of carries.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Mack isn’t wrestling anything from Taylor. Jonathan Taylor is a stud and Mack was average before the injury.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Just being able to come back and contribute after an Achilles injury will be a victory in and of itself, but imaging that he’d somehow take over the lead role in Indy is wishful thinking at its finest.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
If Mack does return to form it probably would be towards the back end of the season. Maybe at that point Indy will be trying to save some gas in Taylor’s tank but I can’t imagine Mack coming out of the gate being a big factor.
socrates
Footballguy
This is not going to be a Nick Chubb/Kareem Hunt timeshare situation. However, there is an opportunity for Mack to earn the backup role to Taylor, and then he is only an injury away from a fantasy-relevant role. If you have Mack on your dynasty squad, this is probably not what you were hoping for, but this is a one-year deal which will allow him to demonstrate his post-injury abilities, and if he looks good in a limited role, he could sign elsewhere in 2022 for a more significant role. I would love to see Mack overcome this injury, but we just do not have a lot of historical examples of NFL RBs returning from a ruptured achilles, so teams are likely skeptical Mack can perform well under a heavy workload.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I was literally not even hoping for anything. He was and is a cut for me. That said this is probably the best news he could ever get and I wish him the best of luck. I absolutely see the path to a solid backup/handcuff role. I'd even call it likely if he is healthy. Big if but I would think this is exactly what a dynasty owner believer would hope for.
The threat to Taylor stuff is bizarre. I sold early on him last year because of the timeshare situation. It *was* a problem and Taylor didn't look so good. But he turned a corner in a really, really big way. So did the timeshare BS. The game slowed down for him as they say. We see it all the time. I immediately regretted my trade. I would personally take him as the #1 RB in fantasy in a dynasty startup. Not redraft for 2021 but then again maybe. I don't trust Barkley and yeah I'd snap CMC for 2021 but not dynasty.
leave a whisper
Footballguy
achilles is a nasty injury - took me about a year to walk pain free (*no, I'm not a pro athlete*) ..... i think the Colts like the locker room player & threw him a bone
5-7 touches a game in 2021 with a home opener TD for a feel good story
5-7 touches a game in 2021 with a home opener TD for a feel good story
I've been saying this for years. He had a couple great games surrounded by a LOT of meh.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Good news for Akers owners maybe
”The Athletic's Zak Keefer reports RB Marlon Mack (Achilles) is "100 percent" to start training camp.
Mack, who tore his Achilles in Week 1 last year, looks to fully healed following surgery and months of rehab. In May, The Athletic's Stephen Holder said Mack showed "no obvious signs of having torn his Achilles," though he didn't practice in team OTA drills. A healthy Mack, who's far more likely than Nyheim Hines to take on the team's early-down role if Jonathan Taylor misses time, makes for an intriguing late-round pick in redraft leagues. Mack, who rushed for nearly 1,100 yards in 2019, could cut into Taylor's workload a bit in 2021.”
”The Athletic's Zak Keefer reports RB Marlon Mack (Achilles) is "100 percent" to start training camp.
Mack, who tore his Achilles in Week 1 last year, looks to fully healed following surgery and months of rehab. In May, The Athletic's Stephen Holder said Mack showed "no obvious signs of having torn his Achilles," though he didn't practice in team OTA drills. A healthy Mack, who's far more likely than Nyheim Hines to take on the team's early-down role if Jonathan Taylor misses time, makes for an intriguing late-round pick in redraft leagues. Mack, who rushed for nearly 1,100 yards in 2019, could cut into Taylor's workload a bit in 2021.”
I would reserve the right to say he is back to 100% until after I see him at game speed. Drills are great an all but games are different and that is all that matters.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I agree. Their words, not mine.
that said, the Athletic is pretty solid, so far as reporting goes.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
i almost went to Google to see if I missed a trade.
preseason for the beat guys too i guess.
The Frankman
Footballguy
3nOut
Footballguy
Who might that be?
NYJ
NE
Baltimore
Texans (probably not in the division)
Rams
Falcons
49ers (just kidding)
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
I see the only teams willing to give up draft capital to get him as those that might see themselves as in the playoff hunt. So that rules out NYJ, HOU, ATL. NE doesn't seem like the type as Bill needs to get these guys up to speed on his system. Rams might be out considering they already spent draft capital on Michel. I think Baltimore or even 49ers are the most likely. Shanny clearly doesn't like who he has healthy in the RB room right now (Sermon) and is bringing in every scrub off the street to prove it. It's no lock WIlson is going to come back on their projected time frame, and their RBs have been dropping like flies regardless.
